Guild Wars 2

(And I mean in-game, not whether she’d think the game still has some bugs the devs need to fix or whether the professions are nerfed or whatever)

Besides the sadness and melancholy felt every time my main visits Gwen’s grave in the Stronghold of Ebonhawke (his great-great-great-great… or however many “greats” there’d be in a 250-year timespan… grandfather met little Gwen in pre-Searing Ascalon, and later an emotionally-scarred Gwen some years later, after all) , I’ve wondered what Gwen would think and feel of the world as it is in the “present time” of GW2.

What do you all think?

She’d probably complain and whine about everything like she did in the first game.

Something tells me she would not be accepting of Charr at all and I think this is something that ANet could and should capitalize on! Imagine if a descendant of Gwen was some sort of anti-hero. Wanting to do good for the remnants of mankind while being somewhat of a detriment to the peace negotiations between charr and humans. Noble hero with a tragic past. Love those kind of stories.

Though you could argue that Logan Thackery and Rytlok have this kind of thing going on, I still think that they could take it a darker route. GW1 had great dark stories.

Rising Dusk.2408:

She’d probably be a separatist.

Heh “probably”, indeed…

I don’t know. At the end of EotN, in the epilogue, she was pretty civil and even complimentary to Pyre. I think that she grew, to some degree from that experience. Mind you, that was prior to her going on to help found Ebonhawke, so yeah, I guess she might be a separatist at that.

I guess it would depend on whether she could see charr as individuals, instead of just “the enemy”. Pyre may or may not have helped her with that.

Well, I logged onto my GW1 toon and went about asking Gwen what she would think… to my surprise her NPC dropped the group, and ran off to Ascalon. Taking Anton’s daggers and muttering somthing about starting a charr-skin rug shop…

And ironicly enough, @X The Manimal, Logan Thackery is Gwen’s descendant from 250 Years ago. With the marriage of Gwen and Keiran Thackery.

Songarg.3657:

Well, I logged onto my GW1 toon and went about asking Gwen what she would think… to my surprise her NPC dropped the group, and ran off to Ascalon. Taking Anton’s daggers and muttering somthing about starting a charr-skin rug shop…

And ironicly enough, @X The Manimal, Logan Thackery is Gwen’s descendant from 250 Years ago. With the marriage of Gwen and Keiran Thackery.

Yah, that’s why I said ANet already has that going on with Logan. I just think they could still take it a step further the opposite way with maybe another descendant we didn’t know about? Idk. Just a thought hehe.

X The Manimal.5293:

Songarg.3657:

Well, I logged onto my GW1 toon and went about asking Gwen what she would think… to my surprise her NPC dropped the group, and ran off to Ascalon. Taking Anton’s daggers and muttering somthing about starting a charr-skin rug shop…

And ironicly enough, @X The Manimal, Logan Thackery is Gwen’s descendant from 250 Years ago. With the marriage of Gwen and Keiran Thackery.

Yah, that’s why I said ANet already has that going on with Logan. I just think they could still take it a step further the opposite way with maybe another descendant we didn’t know about? Idk. Just a thought hehe.

Logan had an older brother who hated Charr but died in battle against The Branded.

I think she’d be pretty ticked that when the charr pressed up to the gates of Ascalon, Adelbern decided to rage-quit and take all his subjects down with him. I could see her view being “If the charr were to wipe us out, then so be it — so long as the last Ascalonian went down fighting. But our nation didn’t die at the hands of the charr. We died at the hands of our own king in a desperate, despicable and selfish act of cowardice.”

She’d be suspicious of the charr and the treaty, but not outright hostile toward them. She’d probably warn the Vanguard to keep an eye on the charr, in case they decide to alter the terms of the deal. But for now, working with them — at arm’s length, mind you — is the smarter tactical move. But when the Dragons are defeated, you better keep your blades out because humanity’s next threat could be the furball that’s been watching your back all this time.

I dunno, but they better not ever bring her back in Ghost Form. I really really DONT WANT TO KNOW what she thinks b/c whenever she thought something, she always verbalized it too. …Always.

She’s basically the Veruca Salt of JarJarBinkses

you assume she would live through the 250 years and see the world changing, and in 250 years i bet anyone can change his mind about things.

if she could be somehow revived now from the past, maybe she would be just shocked, before even notice the charr, about anything (especially mesmers themselves^^).

she could just chase flame legion as we all do and bless logan with his bromance for rytlock… i mean if she is still on her right mind, she could agree that dragons are a far worst enemy than some furry furballs with horns

Amadan.9451:

you assume she would live through the 250 years and see the world changing, and in 250 years i bet anyone can change his mind about things.

if she could be somehow revived now from the past, maybe she would be just shocked, before even notice the charr, about anything (especially mesmers themselves^^).

she could just chase flame legion as we all do and bless logan with his bromance for rytlock… i mean if she is still on her right mind, she could agree that dragons are a far worst enemy than some furry furballs with horns

the asurans could always make a time machine, some accident happens and the gwen from the past comes through. creating a time paradox.

and as i said, she would be just shocked, so much is changed, and friendly charrs are everywhere, if she is not blind she’ll see the dragon menace and maybe she wouldn’t be a separatist.
(she witnessed the wake of primordius and the disappearance of dwarves to fight the elder dragon… and had a friend charr also!

besides his great grandson pretend to be in love with a queen while he is in love with a charr, everyone knows that…

edit: i think also the blaming a race because their ancestors from 250 years ago were “terrorist” isn’t a rational thought, not that i expect gwen to be rational since no npc seems to be anyway)

I don’t think Gwen would ever forgive the Charr given her personal experiences, but I think she’s wise enough to see that continuing the war would be bad for everyone involved. If nothing else, the Foefire should drive home the point of what obsessively clinging to the past can do. Gwen would probably maintain a vigil against the Charr in case they ever broke the treaty and attacked again (which is wise to do in any event. How many friendly nations do you know today who used to be fierce enemies? Or who were allies in the past but are now bitter foes?), but I think she’d appreciate the chance for some peace and quiet.

I was always disappointed that there wasn’t a Red Iris garden somewhere in Ebonhawke. XD

I just remembered that flute music can briefly be heard as Gwen’s grave is approached. No doubt the flute she played as a little girl pre-Searing Ascalon.

she will lead the army of mini chubby Gwen to reclaim Ascalon.

Just imagine if the first thing Gwen saw in GW2 (either as a ghost or somehow transported through time from GW1) was her own grave and surrounding memorials in Ebonhawke.

Or perhaps a Living Story entry that eventually has Logan Thackery speaking to the ghost of Gwen much like how Gwen spoke to the ghost of her mother in Guild Wars: Eye of the North.

Zaxares.5419:

I don’t think Gwen would ever forgive the Charr given her personal experiences, but I think she’s wise enough to see that continuing the war would be bad for everyone involved.

That’s pretty much my thought as well. Our image of Gwen is coloured somewhat through most of our experiences with her being while she rages against the charr – she did, however, mellow a bit towards the end.

Another consideration is that the modern charr are very different to the charr Gwen knew. Gwen’s hatred of the charr was not unfounded prejudice – it was developed through hard experience of several years of captivity followed by acts she regarded as barbaric that were taken even by those charr she regarded as allies. The Iron Legion, however, certainly does not fit the description of “animals, savage animals” – it’s possible that a hypothetical ghost Gwen would recognise this and, while not happy about Ascalon being inhabited by charr now, rightfully regard the Flame Legion as being her true enemy.

Either way, I think she’d be proud that Ebonhawke managed to stymie the charr for two and a half centuries and eventually force them to come to the negotiation table – something that the charr regarded as unthinkable in Gwen’s lifetime.

draxynnic.3719:

Zaxares.5419:

I don’t think Gwen would ever forgive the Charr given her personal experiences, but I think she’s wise enough to see that continuing the war would be bad for everyone involved.

That’s pretty much my thought as well. Our image of Gwen is coloured somewhat through most of our experiences with her being while she rages against the charr – she did, however, mellow a bit towards the end.

Another consideration is that the modern charr are very different to the charr Gwen knew. Gwen’s hatred of the charr was not unfounded prejudice – it was developed through hard experience of several years of captivity followed by acts she regarded as barbaric that were taken even by those charr she regarded as allies. The Iron Legion, however, certainly does not fit the description of “animals, savage animals” – it’s possible that a hypothetical ghost Gwen would recognise this and, while not happy about Ascalon being inhabited by charr now, rightfully regard the Flame Legion as being her true enemy.

Either way, I think she’d be proud that Ebonhawke managed to stymie the charr for two and a half centuries and eventually force them to come to the negotiation table – something that the charr regarded as unthinkable in Gwen’s lifetime.

Would/could ghost Gwen’s hatred of the Charr be reignited if she encountered and spoke with GW2’s Ascalonian ghosts (or with any other ghost, for that matter), though?

/facepalm
My grandson went away from a dragon fight.

I think Gwen is rolling in her grave.

Gwen would be one of those seps I slapped around in Ebonhawke.
Hey quick someone get that time Golem from the GW April Fool’s even running!
I have a plan.

Torvic.8256:

draxynnic.3719:

Zaxares.5419:

I don’t think Gwen would ever forgive the Charr given her personal experiences, but I think she’s wise enough to see that continuing the war would be bad for everyone involved.

That’s pretty much my thought as well. Our image of Gwen is coloured somewhat through most of our experiences with her being while she rages against the charr – she did, however, mellow a bit towards the end.

Another consideration is that the modern charr are very different to the charr Gwen knew. Gwen’s hatred of the charr was not unfounded prejudice – it was developed through hard experience of several years of captivity followed by acts she regarded as barbaric that were taken even by those charr she regarded as allies. The Iron Legion, however, certainly does not fit the description of “animals, savage animals” – it’s possible that a hypothetical ghost Gwen would recognise this and, while not happy about Ascalon being inhabited by charr now, rightfully regard the Flame Legion as being her true enemy.

Either way, I think she’d be proud that Ebonhawke managed to stymie the charr for two and a half centuries and eventually force them to come to the negotiation table – something that the charr regarded as unthinkable in Gwen’s lifetime.

Would/could ghost Gwen’s hatred of the Charr be reignited if she encountered and spoke with GW2’s Ascalonian ghosts (or with any other ghost, for that matter), though?

Ooooh, I love this idea! I’m sure lots of those ghosts have some grim stories of how their family was slaughtered and how their homes were destroyed by the Charr. Considering Gwen hasn’t been around for the changes the Charr have made or the fragile peace talks, it would be very difficult to turn her back on her ancestor’s ghosts and not want some kind of retribution I think.

Amadan.9451:

and as i said, she would be just shocked

besides his great grandson pretend to be in love with a queen while he is in love with a charr, everyone knows that…

edit: i think also the blaming a race because their ancestors from 250 years ago were “terrorist” isn’t a rational thought, not that i expect gwen to be rational since no npc seems to be anyway)

250 years is a long time.

There was no USA 250 years ago. That’s 1763 AD.
France Ceded Canada to the British Empire in 1763.
Prussia and Austria ended a 7 year war.
The British East India Company deposed the ruler of Bengal.
The British win a war against the Chippewas in what is now Michigan.
A year long slave uprising begins in the dutch colony of Berbice (Guyana).

The British declare an end to westward expansion in North America signing permanent treaties with several Native American nations (colonial resistance to this treaty is why the British later moved troops away from the border and stationed them inside the homes of people in NY and Boston).

Paxton Boys murder local Indians in their homes, in Lancaster, and then break into a jail where survivors were being sheltered to kill them as well – in response to the results of the war between the British and French.

- A whole different sort of world than today.

Nobody alive in ’today’s’ GW2 is even the great grandchild of a person from the GW1 era. Our current toons are as removed from those characters as we in the real world are from Thomas Jefferson, King George, George Washington, et all. Napoleon wasn’t even alive yet.

Imagine if Thomas Jefferson popped up today, and walked over to the White House… given what we know of his personal life…
- It could go any number of ways, but he would probably say a whole mess of stupid before he got sorted out.

X The Manimal.5293:

Torvic.8256:

draxynnic.3719:

Zaxares.5419:

I don’t think Gwen would ever forgive the Charr given her personal experiences, but I think she’s wise enough to see that continuing the war would be bad for everyone involved.

That’s pretty much my thought as well. Our image of Gwen is coloured somewhat through most of our experiences with her being while she rages against the charr – she did, however, mellow a bit towards the end.

Another consideration is that the modern charr are very different to the charr Gwen knew. Gwen’s hatred of the charr was not unfounded prejudice – it was developed through hard experience of several years of captivity followed by acts she regarded as barbaric that were taken even by those charr she regarded as allies. The Iron Legion, however, certainly does not fit the description of “animals, savage animals” – it’s possible that a hypothetical ghost Gwen would recognise this and, while not happy about Ascalon being inhabited by charr now, rightfully regard the Flame Legion as being her true enemy.

Either way, I think she’d be proud that Ebonhawke managed to stymie the charr for two and a half centuries and eventually force them to come to the negotiation table – something that the charr regarded as unthinkable in Gwen’s lifetime.

Would/could ghost Gwen’s hatred of the Charr be reignited if she encountered and spoke with GW2’s Ascalonian ghosts (or with any other ghost, for that matter), though?

Ooooh, I love this idea! I’m sure lots of those ghosts have some grim stories of how their family was slaughtered and how their homes were destroyed by the Charr. Considering Gwen hasn’t been around for the changes the Charr have made or the fragile peace talks, it would be very difficult to turn her back on her ancestor’s ghosts and not want some kind of retribution I think.

Not to mention what would happen if ghost Gwen also encountered the Charr ghosts who had died at around the same time.

gwen has awakened and attacked flame legion mercilessly and wiped them out. due to this cof is now closed permanently. note this is not a nerf this is part of living story. we are now selling ectos and legendary mats in gem store as part of this living story update. we also have some new rng boxes for sale that contain ascended versions of the cof armor that are now not obtainable.

Kichwas.7152:

Amadan.9451:

and as i said, she would be just shocked

besides his great grandson pretend to be in love with a queen while he is in love with a charr, everyone knows that…

edit: i think also the blaming a race because their ancestors from 250 years ago were “terrorist” isn’t a rational thought, not that i expect gwen to be rational since no npc seems to be anyway)

250 years is a long time.

There was no USA 250 years ago. That’s 1763 AD.
France Ceded Canada to the British Empire in 1763.
Prussia and Austria ended a 7 year war.
The British East India Company deposed the ruler of Bengal.
The British win a war against the Chippewas in what is now Michigan.
A year long slave uprising begins in the dutch colony of Berbice (Guyana).

The British declare an end to westward expansion in North America signing permanent treaties with several Native American nations (colonial resistance to this treaty is why the British later moved troops away from the border and stationed them inside the homes of people in NY and Boston).

Paxton Boys murder local Indians in their homes, in Lancaster, and then break into a jail where survivors were being sheltered to kill them as well – in response to the results of the war between the British and French.

- A whole different sort of world than today.

Nobody alive in ’today’s’ GW2 is even the great grandchild of a person from the GW1 era. Our current toons are as removed from those characters as we in the real world are from Thomas Jefferson, King George, George Washington, et all. Napoleon wasn’t even alive yet.

Imagine if Thomas Jefferson popped up today, and walked over to the White House… given what we know of his personal life…
- It could go any number of ways, but he would probably say a whole mess of stupid before he got sorted out.

Great points!

Speaking of which, is there now a weird feeling playing GW1 knowing what Tyria will be like 250 years later regardless of what the player does?

when your hate a race its too hard to give up that hate. i always felt given half a chance she still would have knife pyre in the back if it wasnt for your char. i dont think she would be any different today. she would quickly go back into her hated for the charr. she had too much personal experience hating char something that will never leave her. separatist all the way for her

News flash!

Durmand Priory officials announced today that they have modified Asuran waypoint technology commonly used to restore recently deceased individuals to life. The modifications enable them to revive long-dead people, and the Human hero Gwen was the unanimous choice to bring back first.

From the site of her tomb in Ebonhawke, Gwen was briefed on events and changes since her passing nearly 250 years ago. When asked her opinion of the new Tyria, Gwen is reported to have said, “STILL no mounts?” At which point she gave a lingering scowl at her flat, calloused feet, climbed up to the local Vista, and promptly threw herself over the edge.

ricky markham.8173:

when your hate a race its too hard to give up that hate. i always felt given half a chance she still would have knife pyre in the back if it wasnt for your char. i dont think she would be any different today. she would quickly go back into her hated for the charr. she had too much personal experience hating char something that will never leave her. separatist all the way for her

Would the Separatists have been more successful in GW2 had Gwen been leading them?

It would be interesting to see her again in GW2. Still…I wonder..could Arena.Net keep her the same aspect (face; armor) or change her totally ?

A time machine would be interesting. Probably, sometime, the Living World will bring Time Machines in discussion.

Maximus Delion.8719:

I think she’d be pretty ticked that when the charr pressed up to the gates of Ascalon, Adelbern decided to rage-quit and take all his subjects down with him. I could see her view being “If the charr were to wipe us out, then so be it — so long as the last Ascalonian went down fighting. But our nation didn’t die at the hands of the charr. We died at the hands of our own king in a desperate, despicable and selfish act of cowardice.”

She’d be suspicious of the charr and the treaty, but not outright hostile toward them. She’d probably warn the Vanguard to keep an eye on the charr, in case they decide to alter the terms of the deal. But for now, working with them — at arm’s length, mind you — is the smarter tactical move. But when the Dragons are defeated, you better keep your blades out because humanity’s next threat could be the furball that’s been watching your back all this time.

Tbh, this sounds about right. She wouldn’t be “OMG CHARR ARE OUR BESTEST FRIENDS EVAR” but she wouldn’t be idiotic enough to go and join the Separatists.

Maximus Delion.8719:

I think she’d be pretty ticked that when the charr pressed up to the gates of Ascalon, Adelbern decided to rage-quit and take all his subjects down with him. I could see her view being “If the charr were to wipe us out, then so be it — so long as the last Ascalonian went down fighting. But our nation didn’t die at the hands of the charr. We died at the hands of our own king in a desperate, despicable and selfish act of cowardice.”

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I doubt Gwen would embrace the Charr version of events. She was alive then, remember. No need to accept the lies.

From GW2 Wiki, King Adelbern.

“Accounts of this conflict differ between human and charr records. In human accounts, his forces fell to the charr and Adelbern was left to fight the charr alone. He eventually fought his way to the Imperator of the Flame Legion, wielder of the Claw of the Khan-Ur. The Claw clashed with Magdaer, Adelbern’s sword, and caused a spark of power that engulfed the land for leagues around. This event became known as the Foefire. "

Further, seeing that reconciliation with Pyre achieved nothing and changed nothing re their attitude as a race Gwen would see no reason to not hate the animals even more.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/King_Adelbern

Im in guild called “Gwen”

From all the GW1 characters, Gween seems the best character that could return. She has a strong bloodline, you meet her from her childhood, just when Guild Wars starts…she has a tomb in GW2…a tomb with an organ puzzle …I think she really deserves a returnal. This would lead to an interesting plot. Gween seems the character with the strongest personality and most impressive story.

Maybe with Rytlock visiting the underworld now we will have a chance to see all the old ascalonian heroes in the new LS :P

Teofa Tsavo.9863:

Maximus Delion.8719:

I think she’d be pretty ticked that when the charr pressed up to the gates of Ascalon, Adelbern decided to rage-quit and take all his subjects down with him. I could see her view being “If the charr were to wipe us out, then so be it — so long as the last Ascalonian went down fighting. But our nation didn’t die at the hands of the charr. We died at the hands of our own king in a desperate, despicable and selfish act of cowardice.”

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I doubt Gwen would embrace the Charr version of events. She was alive then, remember. No need to accept the lies.

From GW2 Wiki, King Adelbern.

“Accounts of this conflict differ between human and charr records. In human accounts, his forces fell to the charr and Adelbern was left to fight the charr alone. He eventually fought his way to the Imperator of the Flame Legion, wielder of the Claw of the Khan-Ur. The Claw clashed with Magdaer, Adelbern’s sword, and caused a spark of power that engulfed the land for leagues around. This event became known as the Foefire. "

Further, seeing that reconciliation with Pyre achieved nothing and changed nothing re their attitude as a race Gwen would see no reason to not hate the animals even more.

http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/King_Adelbern

At the same stand point, we have no idea if the human account is true.

In all honestly, both versions are probably full of lies and misinformation.

Neb.4170:

She’d probably complain and whine about everything like she did in the first game.

^ That.

But really, after walking around GW2 Tyria for an hour, she’d say, in a sad, little Dorothy-esque tone:
" <pc name>, I’ve got a feeling we’re not in Tyria anymore."