Guild Wars 2

As the title says, I’d like to know, which prices for precursors Anet considers to be fair and which they want to get on longterm.

Because all our ideas are senseless if Anet thinks, that 600g for a precursor is fine.

Also everyone who needs a precursor would know, that he has to get x00g and then he will get his precusor some day, instead of watching the prices to rise higher and higher, so he has to give up, though he already has 3 gifts.

I don’t think Anet really cares about what price they ‘should’ be, because the economy for precursors are entirely player driven.

I believe they need to look at alternative ways of obtaining them, such as a level 400 craft recipe that requires a load of materials to compensate.

That way, prices will drop naturally, but if the materials required for the recipe are rare then the precursors will still hold an average value in which ‘normal’ players could potentially obtain with gold.

Lyenyo.2891:

I don’t think Anet really cares about what price they ‘should’ be, because the economy for precursors are entirely player driven.

I believe they need to look at alternative ways of obtaining them, such as a level 400 craft recipe that requires a load of materials to compensate.

That way, prices will drop naturally, but if the materials required for the recipe are rare then the precursors will still hold an average value in which ‘normal’ players could potentially obtain with gold.

You could have lost some seconds to gather some informations…..
Just browsing any precursor threads will explain you how precursor are gold seller and speculators driven….

Not players driven…

Also experience in mmorpg tells easily that a broken economy leads fast to the game Death.

Imho aside gold seller, worst problem is legendary are a tier…
If they werent many people will just explore rare exotics.

Well that they think about it showed the Karka Event, after that the prices dropped, so normal players could get their precursors. My fault was, that I assumed Anet would keep the prices at that level, so I wanted to do the precursor as the last part. And when I finally got to the precursor, I was 2 weeks to late. The prices went up and Anet didn’t react in any way.
I just can hope for another big event where many drop. I don’t care if I get one or not, the prices would go down again.
The point is: I’m waiting for a solution since 2 months and nothing has happened.
I know they have other important things to do, like culling in WvW and so on, but the precursors are one of the most discussed topics as far as I see.
Maybe they should tell us, how they will react in near future, instead of telling us what we won’t get in the next few months.

LordByron.8369:

You could have lost some seconds to gather some informations…..
Just browsing any precursor threads will explain you how precursor are gold seller and speculators driven….

Not players driven…

Yeah, because only gold sellers sell and especially buy precursors. Try to think about that again. And maybe take a second and gather some information given by John on why it isn’t possible to manipulate the economy as a whole, because a few rare goods aren’t “the economy”.

LordByron.8369:

Lyenyo.2891:

I don’t think Anet really cares about what price they ‘should’ be, because the economy for precursors are entirely player driven.

I believe they need to look at alternative ways of obtaining them, such as a level 400 craft recipe that requires a load of materials to compensate.

That way, prices will drop naturally, but if the materials required for the recipe are rare then the precursors will still hold an average value in which ‘normal’ players could potentially obtain with gold.

You could have lost some seconds to gather some informations…..
Just browsing any precursor threads will explain you how precursor are gold seller and speculators driven….

Not players driven…

Also experience in mmorpg tells easily that a broken economy leads fast to the game Death.

Imho aside gold seller, worst problem is legendary are a tier…
If they werent many people will just explore rare exotics.

It does not matter who is controlling the market, because at the end of the day if people are willing to pay those prices, then those are the correct prices for that item.

If everyone felt the price was to high, then the price would naturally lower over time as no one would be buying them. This is not the case, so obviously the prices right now are justifiable. Just because you feel its wrong, does not necessarily make it wrong.

Diviner.7405:

It does not matter who is controlling the market, because at the end of the day if people are willing to pay those prices, then those are the correct prices for that item.

It’s funny how people always forget how economy works and really start hating free markets once they can’t afford something they want…

damny.9342:

Diviner.7405:

It does not matter who is controlling the market, because at the end of the day if people are willing to pay those prices, then those are the correct prices for that item.

It’s funny how people always forget how economy works and really start hating free markets once they can’t afford something they want…

They begin to hate free markets when people start charging ridiculous amounts for something they want.

There are currently 14 dusks listed on TP.
5023 people on demand for 500~600g offers for top 14.

They are WILLING to pay that much, so if all of them get what they wish for, how many dusks are going to be left?
You do the math.

You all want a skill based method or a scavenger hunt of some sort to get a precursor, but what if I told you it would be just as long, tedious and hard as making 660g?
That you would have to go through same equivalent lengths to get it?

There will always be complains, no matter what – this situation right now is best for everyone.

Firegoth.6427:

There are currently 14 dusks listed on TP.
5023 people on demand for 500~600g offers for top 14.

They are WILLING to pay that much, so if all of them get what they wish for, how many dusks are going to be left?
You do the math.

You all want a skill based method or a scavenger hunt of some sort to get a precursor, but what if I told you it would be just as long, tedious and hard as making 660g?
That you would have to go through same equivalent lengths to get it?

There will always be complains, no matter what – this situation right now is best for everyone.

Source?

Otherwise this is just conjecture.

Hellkaiser.6025:

Firegoth.6427:

There are currently 14 dusks listed on TP.
5023 people on demand for 500~600g offers for top 14.

They are WILLING to pay that much, so if all of them get what they wish for, how many dusks are going to be left?
You do the math.

You all want a skill based method or a scavenger hunt of some sort to get a precursor, but what if I told you it would be just as long, tedious and hard as making 660g?
That you would have to go through same equivalent lengths to get it?

There will always be complains, no matter what – this situation right now is best for everyone.

Source?

Otherwise this is just conjecture.

Emphasis on “IF”.
Imagine the situation in your head, and then answer.

Lyenyo.2891:

I don’t think Anet really cares about what price they ‘should’ be, because the economy for precursors are entirely player driven.

Why do people keep repeating this? It just isn’t true. Anet has 100% control of the supply, which helps determine the price. They also influence the demand through promotion (why is it exactly that “Equip a legendary” is an achievement posted on login) and lack of alternatives (why are seemingly half of the “rare” exotics just rehashed skins of phantasms and other skills)… not to mention the great idea of selling legendary weapons directly (which increases demand by catering to gold buyers above anything).

Yup, it’s all the players’ doing…

Iruwen.3164:

LordByron.8369:

You could have lost some seconds to gather some informations…..
Just browsing any precursor threads will explain you how precursor are gold seller and speculators driven….

Not players driven…

Yeah, because only gold sellers sell and especially buy precursors. Try to think about that again. And maybe take a second and gather some information given by John on why it isn’t possible to manipulate the economy as a whole, because a few rare goods aren’t “the economy”.

stop attacking people and go in BLT section really…
There are few precursor on the market and data shows clearly what s happening….

They pronounced many times about precursor also if you can read..

P.S. gold sellers and speculators doesn t only BUY but place fake bets…..FYI…..
See thread about zap with evidence….

Firegoth.6427:

Hellkaiser.6025:

Firegoth.6427:

There are currently 14 dusks listed on TP.
5023 people on demand for 500~600g offers for top 14.

They are WILLING to pay that much, so if all of them get what they wish for, how many dusks are going to be left?
You do the math.

You all want a skill based method or a scavenger hunt of some sort to get a precursor, but what if I told you it would be just as long, tedious and hard as making 660g?
That you would have to go through same equivalent lengths to get it?

There will always be complains, no matter what – this situation right now is best for everyone.

Source?

Otherwise this is just conjecture.

Emphasis on “IF”.
Imagine the situation in your head, and then answer.

I’d rather not, because that would be a case of A-Net taking what was said, ignoring the issues and then releasing a system that incorporated more grind and artificial gating into the game.

We’d still have legendary components and themselves being the major must have item on the trading post so much so gold sellers are now advertising them. We’d still have other stuff being more or less not necessary in comparison, and ultimately all your point would prove is A-Net reads but doesn’t comprehend and doesn’t get what is considered terrible about their designs. That too is conjecture, but given what I’ve seen of their changes and reactions to feedback be it written well or not, would be likely as it would seem to be them playing to type.

Firegoth.6427:

You all want a skill based method or a scavenger hunt of some sort to get a precursor, but what if I told you it would be just as long, tedious and hard as making 660g?
That you would have to go through same equivalent lengths to get it?

Yes, everyone is asking for an alternative tedious chore so they can get a precursor. They aren’t asking for an enjoyable process because if you had fun getting one then it wouldn’t be special. And getting that one part of a legendary in 100 hours is just unthinkable. Am I right?

Firegoth.6427:

There will always be complains, no matter what – this situation right now is best for everyone.

That is a ridiculous leap in logic.

Diviner.7405:

LordByron.8369:

Lyenyo.2891:

I don’t think Anet really cares about what price they ‘should’ be, because the economy for precursors are entirely player driven.

I believe they need to look at alternative ways of obtaining them, such as a level 400 craft recipe that requires a load of materials to compensate.

That way, prices will drop naturally, but if the materials required for the recipe are rare then the precursors will still hold an average value in which ‘normal’ players could potentially obtain with gold.

You could have lost some seconds to gather some informations…..
Just browsing any precursor threads will explain you how precursor are gold seller and speculators driven….

Not players driven…

Also experience in mmorpg tells easily that a broken economy leads fast to the game Death.

Imho aside gold seller, worst problem is legendary are a tier…
If they werent many people will just explore rare exotics.

It does not matter who is controlling the market, because at the end of the day if people are willing to pay those prices, then those are the correct prices for that item.

If everyone felt the price was to high, then the price would naturally lower over time as no one would be buying them. This is not the case, so obviously the prices right now are justifiable. Just because you feel its wrong, does not necessarily make it wrong.

Actually with this kind of TP/auction house/broker whatever you want to call it, it doesn’t matter if people think it’s too high or not since there is no time limit on listing items so a guy can throw up a precursor for 600g and either it will sell to someone eventually or it won’t. Chnaces are in all the people playing playing this MMO, that someone will one day have the cash and buy it. Does that mean everyone would buy it? No. The way to actually set this system up to work as you are saying is to impliment a time limit on listings. Say like 1 week. If it doesn’t sell in 1 week from when the lister posted it, it would be send back to them and they would lose their posting fee. That would bring the prices down cause i bet not many people are paying 600g+ for precursors.

Firegoth.6427:

There are currently 14 dusks listed on TP.
5023 people on demand for 500~600g offers for top 14.

They are WILLING to pay that much, so if all of them get what they wish for, how many dusks are going to be left?
You do the math.

You all want a skill based method or a scavenger hunt of some sort to get a precursor, but what if I told you it would be just as long, tedious and hard as making 660g?
That you would have to go through same equivalent lengths to get it?

There will always be complains, no matter what – this situation right now is best for everyone.

And you prolly believe everything posted on the internet is the truth to don’t you? People and gold sellers/TP players whatever you wanna call em, aren’t stupid. They will list the precursor or any item for X amount and then put up a buy order for 2,3 or however many of that item for alittle under their list price to give the illusion that people are willing to spend that much. That’s not to say some people out there aren’t but i’ll guarantee you, the majority of the people aren’t.

What’s even funnier is watch the TP and precursors awhile. You will see alot of certain ones listed at X amount for a week or so. Then they all dry up and then a few days later BAM, there will be like 5 or 6 listed at about 100g+ higher. Coincidence? Did 6 people just get lucky and all try and sell their precursor at the same time? Did everyone all of a sudden come into 600g+ and buy out the TP of supplies? No, it’s the TP players bumping up precursors 1 more notch. Believe me or not, i personally don’t care but i will say in 2 months if nothing is done about precursors, they will be over 1k for the big 3(Dusk, Dawn, The Legend).

And this situation is not best for everyone. If there are this many people and threads complaining about a system, there is something wrong. As it stands now, getting a precursor invloves1 of 4 things, either you used the exploits early in the game to get multiple precursors(which new people can not do now), you are playing the TP(which not everyone wants to stand infront of the TP for hours playing an economics sim), you got VERY lucky at the MF(which is the only real viable way for a precursor atm), or you log in and mindlessly grind for 10 hours a day in mom’s basement for 1-2 months to buy a precursor off the TP. Now how fun do those 4 choices sound? True people don’t NEED a legendary but at this point in the game, it’s prolly close to the last things they got left that hasn’t been done.

The price is what the market is willing to pay

Which is what you see the buy orders at, or however much someone bought from the outpost from the lowest seller.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the price of precursors.

I don’t want precursors to be priced at all. I want the ability to deterministically work towards a precursor of my choice.

An idea I had is to flush the following down the mystic toilet:
- All 8 dungeon gifts to combine to “Gift of Greater Faceroll” (using AC, SE, CoF, HotW) and “Gift of Lesser Faceroll” (using CM, TA, CoE, Arah)
- Trahearne’s story completion, a “Pact token” if you will.
- A “Gift of Dungeon Mastery”, given upon your receiving your DM title.
into a “Gift of Precursor” and add a precursor vendor that trades an account-bound precursor for this gift.

Vol.5241:

The price is what the market is willing to pay

Which is what you see the buy orders at, or however much someone bought from the outpost from the lowest seller.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the price of precursors.

Not true. The price is POSSIBLY what the some people in the market will pay. More likely than not, it’s a TP player or farmer keeping the illusion that the price he has listed is close to what the market as a whole is willing to pay.

Personally i say completely eliminate precursor sales and make em acct bound and buyable with laurels, a TON of dungeon tokens or something to that effect like fractal rings are atm but without getting one as a daily. Of course, i’m sure the precursor sellers out there will pitch a fit haha.

I think we should be able to craft em. Seriously the prices are ridiculous and anything above 500 gold is insane (not to say that 500g itself is ok…)

seems ppl are too lazy to get informations but not to post…

Well what s happening:

Some people has lot of money…..

They buy any precursor of some type and post just some on the market, placing in the meantime fake offers, then when they pushed the offers enough they sell some for gold and Others possibly for real moneys i norder to get other precursors and gold….

gw2spidy to see what’s happening.

Personally i think that defending this system for any reason is really selfish…..
And for your interest buying a precursor from TP is almost as bad as buying gold from them….

Gold ends up in the hands of gold sellers….

I know some players who got their precursor easily due to luck or early farm are scared to lose their status symbol, yet after november 15 legendaries became a new tier thus people would like to get one…

Most players before that date didn t care…..

Good thing is that the situation is so clear that anet knows it for sure…
Dunno why they are not doing anything about it, possibly they have plans or maybe they just are giving priority to other things….

Changing position on what they said on 15 november would drastically drop demand and promote skin variety in the game btw…..

Its not that people wants unicorn and raimbows, they want mostly a wepaon that won t become obsolete.

I want precursors to be Account Bound.

The only people who really care and pitch a fit are those that have a legendary and it makes them feel elite or something. I mean i got Kudzu on my ranger and i personally don’t give a rats kitten if i see 10 people with it. I worked my kitten off to get the mats and got really lucky at the precursor at the karka event and got it for 100g. So in my eyes, seeing others with it doesn’t diminish the work or memory it took me to get it.

Vol.5241:

The price is what the market is willing to pay

Which is what you see the buy orders at, or however much someone bought from the outpost from the lowest seller.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the price of precursors.

But something is wrong with the market. This is a game, after all.

Whenever you make an item in a game ‘rare’ so that a small or limited amount are available, the market manipulators and gold buyers and sellers will focus on those as they are the easiest items to do so with. Also with the current TP system it is very easy to list multiple fake buy orders, together with your buddies doing the same thing, and if anyone tries to push the price down by listing an item at below the current price they will just buy it and relist at a higher price, as in the overall scheme of things this costs them nothing.

What we are seeing with precursors is exactly this. Maybe ANet are playing it smart, waiting until the price hits 1k per, and then changing the drop rate so that all of a sudden they are 100g or less each and the gold buyers/sellers and speculators get badly burnt. But don’t hold your breath.

Until ANet wake up and deal with the issue, the prices will continue to be driven higher by a combination of stupidly low supply, no method of making them, and market manipulators.

Of course, precursors could drop like candy, and all that would happen as a result is that all of the other items to make legendaries would become even more expensive. Legendaries would become more common, making them less special, and encouraging the dedicated or bored to simply work on acquiring multiple or all legendaries.

And people would still be on the forum complaining that they’re “forced” to grind for items which give no tangible advantage.

Victory.2879:

Until ANet wake up and deal with the issue, the prices will continue to be driven higher by a combination of stupidly low supply, no method of making them, and market manipulators.

The only “issue” is that people are confused about what a prestige item is. The only reason they want it is because it’s unique and hard to get, but they want it to be easier to get, so that… wait for it… it will be less prestigious, and thus, less valuable.

A legendary is the biggest “box” to check off in the game, apart from maybe hitting max PvP rank. Once you get it, the game is “over” in the sense of having no new mountain to climb, unless you do it all over again.

Voxdeus.1034:

Of course, precursors could drop like candy, and all that would happen as a result is that all of the other items to make legendaries would become even more expensive. Legendaries would become more common, making them less special, and encouraging the dedicated or bored to simply work on acquiring multiple or all legendaries.

And people would still be on the forum complaining that they’re “forced” to grind for items which give no tangible advantage.

True but i’m sure working on legendaries for alts would make people happier than sitting on 3 gifts for 4 months waiting for a precursor on their first toon.

And as for the other items like T6 mats, those can be farmed daily with reasonable chance of getting a few a day or even if the price doubled, 20-40s each isn’t as hard to acquire as 600-700g in 1 lump sum.

LordByron.8369:

Iruwen.3164:

LordByron.8369:

You could have lost some seconds to gather some informations…..
Just browsing any precursor threads will explain you how precursor are gold seller and speculators driven….

Not players driven…

Yeah, because only gold sellers sell and especially buy precursors. Try to think about that again. And maybe take a second and gather some information given by John on why it isn’t possible to manipulate the economy as a whole, because a few rare goods aren’t “the economy”.

stop attacking people and go in BLT section really…
There are few precursor on the market and data shows clearly what s happening….

They pronounced many times about precursor also if you can read..

P.S. gold sellers and speculators doesn t only BUY but place fake bets…..FYI…..
See thread about zap with evidence….

First you were attacking him. Second the data clearly shows you’re wrong, see here.

Voxdeus.1034:

The only “issue” is that people are confused about what a prestige item is. The only reason they want it is because it’s unique and hard to get, but they want it to be easier to get, so that… wait for it… it will be less prestigious, and thus, less valuable.

Legendaries are not prestigious at all. You can buy one with real money, which means you didn’t work for it ingame, and says nothing about your dedication as a player. I laugh at people who purchased one, and feel terrible for those who worked for them and had their achievement cheapened.

Legendaries and Precursors should have always been Account Bound. ArenaNet should admit they made a mistake and make them Account Bound. This whole gems for gold thing is really beginning to turn me off.

Sauzo.6821:

Firegoth.6427:

There are currently 14 dusks listed on TP.
5023 people on demand for 500~600g offers for top 14.

They are WILLING to pay that much, so if all of them get what they wish for, how many dusks are going to be left?
You do the math.

You all want a skill based method or a scavenger hunt of some sort to get a precursor, but what if I told you it would be just as long, tedious and hard as making 660g?
That you would have to go through same equivalent lengths to get it?

There will always be complains, no matter what – this situation right now is best for everyone.

And you prolly believe everything posted on the internet is the truth to don’t you? People and gold sellers/TP players whatever you wanna call em, aren’t stupid. They will list the precursor or any item for X amount and then put up a buy order for 2,3 or however many of that item for alittle under their list price to give the illusion that people are willing to spend that much. That’s not to say some people out there aren’t but i’ll guarantee you, the majority of the people aren’t.

What’s even funnier is watch the TP and precursors awhile. You will see alot of certain ones listed at X amount for a week or so. Then they all dry up and then a few days later BAM, there will be like 5 or 6 listed at about 100g+ higher. Coincidence? Did 6 people just get lucky and all try and sell their precursor at the same time? Did everyone all of a sudden come into 600g+ and buy out the TP of supplies? No, it’s the TP players bumping up precursors 1 more notch. Believe me or not, i personally don’t care but i will say in 2 months if nothing is done about precursors, they will be over 1k for the big 3(Dusk, Dawn, The Legend).

I also watch the market as I play (special thanks to zicore!) and I can tell you that the precursors are sold maybe 1 a day. And trade orders remain the same. (currently actively watching one as I play every day).
Allow me to break the completely logical reasoning behind the prices spikes -
Dusk of rage – 66g. Release month, precursors flood the market due to god skulls exploit.
Dusk – 200g. Expolit fixed, people start working towards the weapon.
Dusk – 400g, after people start realizing how desired these weapons are, they buy them in large quantities to resist them for more later.
Dusk – 600g, legendaries are allowed to be sold on TP.

What I’m getting at, is that the prices will remain static unless we’ll get further improvement to them, such as the dreamer’s new effect that caused the price of the lover to spike.

LordByron.8369:

gw2spidy to see what’s happening.

Spidy doesn’t really show you what’s happening. John already explained why it doesn’t and gave us some real numbers. Check your facts.

Chuo.4238:

I want precursors to be Account Bound.

So you completely have to rely on RNG? That’s not really better.

Voxdeus.1034:

Victory.2879:

Until ANet wake up and deal with the issue, the prices will continue to be driven higher by a combination of stupidly low supply, no method of making them, and market manipulators.

The only “issue” is that people are confused about what a prestige item is. The only reason they want it is because it’s unique and hard to get, but they want it to be easier to get, so that… wait for it… it will be less prestigious, and thus, less valuable.

A legendary is the biggest “box” to check off in the game, apart from maybe hitting max PvP rank. Once you get it, the game is “over” in the sense of having no new mountain to climb, unless you do it all over again.

To some people. they like the skin and come ascended weapons, legendaries will still be BIS for now and for the foreseeable future. Of course the stats on em leave alot to be desired. But true it’s really the last thing alot of people prolly got left to do in this game. So if precursors are SO hard to acquire, 1 of 2 things will happen. People will get fed up and say screw it and quit or just forget the whole legendary issue since afterall, having a legendary won’t affect you once you turn off the computer.

Iruwen.3164:

So you completely have to rely on RNG? That’s not really better.

I’m hoping that guy wants a deterministic way to work your way towards a precursor.

Fortuna.7259:

Vol.5241:

The price is what the market is willing to pay

Which is what you see the buy orders at, or however much someone bought from the outpost from the lowest seller.

Absolutely nothing wrong with the price of precursors.

But something is wrong with the market. This is a game, after all.

There is nothing wrong when there are wealthy buyers out there who are willing to pay more for a luxurious item than what the average person is willing to pay.

Iruwen.3164:

Chuo.4238:

I want precursors to be Account Bound.

So you completely have to rely on RNG? That’s not really better.

RNG is a different issue from TP prices. I’ll tell you my position on both:

TP Prices: I don’t think people should be able to purchase legendaries or precursors. It completely cheapens the accomplishment of getting a Legendary, and eliminates any real prestige value to it.

RNG: I think that precursors should be craftable, and a major component of the recipe should include account bound items. I’m happy for there to be a a chance of a drop, as well, but there should be a way to craft one and get around the RNG altogether, without “buying” it being an option.

Firegoth.6427:

Sauzo.6821:

Firegoth.6427:

There are currently 14 dusks listed on TP.
5023 people on demand for 500~600g offers for top 14.

They are WILLING to pay that much, so if all of them get what they wish for, how many dusks are going to be left?
You do the math.

You all want a skill based method or a scavenger hunt of some sort to get a precursor, but what if I told you it would be just as long, tedious and hard as making 660g?
That you would have to go through same equivalent lengths to get it?

There will always be complains, no matter what – this situation right now is best for everyone.

And you prolly believe everything posted on the internet is the truth to don’t you? People and gold sellers/TP players whatever you wanna call em, aren’t stupid. They will list the precursor or any item for X amount and then put up a buy order for 2,3 or however many of that item for alittle under their list price to give the illusion that people are willing to spend that much. That’s not to say some people out there aren’t but i’ll guarantee you, the majority of the people aren’t.

What’s even funnier is watch the TP and precursors awhile. You will see alot of certain ones listed at X amount for a week or so. Then they all dry up and then a few days later BAM, there will be like 5 or 6 listed at about 100g+ higher. Coincidence? Did 6 people just get lucky and all try and sell their precursor at the same time? Did everyone all of a sudden come into 600g+ and buy out the TP of supplies? No, it’s the TP players bumping up precursors 1 more notch. Believe me or not, i personally don’t care but i will say in 2 months if nothing is done about precursors, they will be over 1k for the big 3(Dusk, Dawn, The Legend).

I also watch the market as I play (special thanks to zicore!) and I can tell you that the precursors are sold maybe 1 a day. And trade orders remain the same. (currently actively watching one as I play every day).
Allow me to break the completely logical reasoning behind the prices spikes -
Dusk of rage – 66g. Release month, precursors flood the market due to god skulls exploit.
Dusk – 200g. Expolit fixed, people start working towards the weapon.
Dusk – 400g, after people start realizing how desired these weapons are, they buy them in large quantities to resist them for more later.
Dusk – 600g, legendaries are allowed to be sold on TP.

What I’m getting at, is that the prices will remain static unless we’ll get further improvement to them, such as the dreamer’s new effect that caused the price of the lover to spike.

Prices won’t remain static. What you listed are 4 prices in the past 5 months but those are not the increments that all the precursors jumped up in. And like you said at the 400g mark “People buy them up in large quantities to relist them for more later”. This is my point of why they wil be 1k in 2 months. This game will lose more and more ‘vets’ in that time so less people to try and craft precursors for the sole purpose of selling. New players unless they are hardcore will not have the cash or want to throw gold at the MF. Less people will mean less chance of precursors dropping in the world. So in the end the people who have precursors hoarded will either list em for more cash since they control the market even more or some of the people who have em hoarded will quit from boredom since playing an economics sim can only be fun for so long and this will remove alot from the market as well. Regardless, i see less precursors being made or dropped int he future unless ANet does something. Of course 1 shining point is that by then hopefully ESO will be out and this will all be a moot point to many here :P

Chuo.4238:

Iruwen.3164:

Chuo.4238:

I want precursors to be Account Bound.

So you completely have to rely on RNG? That’s not really better.

RNG is a different issue from TP prices. I’ll tell you my position on both:

TP Prices: I don’t think people should be able to purchase legendaries or precursors. It completely cheapens the accomplishment of getting a Legendary, and eliminates any real prestige value to it.

RNG: I think that precursors should be craftable, and a major component of the recipe should include account bound items. I’m happy for there to be a a chance of a drop, as well, but there should be a way to craft one and get around the RNG altogether, without “buying” it being an option.

I agree on that then.

If precursor were account bound player would still complain because of how rare they are. Someone said their are 14 dusk on TP out of the ~50servers. Meaning 1 person out of every 4 servers is willing to sell a dusk, if they are able to MF it or get one to drop. Legendaries are suppose to take a couple of months to get. Without people being able to sell them on TP few would attempt to MF them.

ANet really needs to move to a skill/achievement/ based system in acquiring these precursor/legendary’s, they also all need to become soulbound or at the very least account bound upon creation.

Out of all the games I have played a legendary or a games version of a legendary was a prestigious symbol of accomplishment, some proved that you were a hard core raider able to clear the highest and hardest pve content available in game, others through pvp accomplishments proving you were a player not to be messed with, and others through feats of exploration or a combination of all of the above, here at gw2 its congrats your a master gold farmer!

Ulion.5476:

If precursor were account bound player would still complain because of how rare they are. Someone said their are 14 dusk on TP out of the ~50servers. Meaning 1 person out of every 4 servers is willing to sell a dusk, if they are able to MF it or get one to drop. Legendaries are suppose to take a couple of months to get. Without people being able to sell them on TP few would attempt to MF them.

That’s one of the big points people are trying to make here. Make another more reliable way of acquiring them other than the MF or having to rely on the TP and it’s outrageous prices.

Deadcell.9052:

ANet really needs to move to a skill/achievement/ based system in acquiring these precursor/legendary’s, they also all need to become soulbound or at the very least account bound upon creation.

Out of all the games I have played a legendary or a games version of a legendary was a prestigious symbol of accomplishment, some proved that you were a hard core raider able to clear the highest and hardest pve content available in game, others through pvp accomplishments proving you were a player not to be messed with, and others through feats of exploration or a combination of all of the above, here at gw2 its congrats your a master gold farmer!

Exactly!! In EQ 1, when i got my monk epic v1.0 and 2.0, it took LOTS of work from you, friends, your guild. Blocks of time had to be set aside and dates set for your guild to help you clear POsky or POhate or in my monks case, kill Mith Marr. But regardless it took lots of time and deidication from you and lots of help from your guild which imo brought people in guilds much closer together. Like you said Deadcell, here its just like grats you mastered the TP and gold farming.

Sauzo.6821:

That’s one of the big points people are trying to make here. Make another more reliable way of acquiring them other than the MF or having to rely on the TP and it’s outrageous prices.

Another way to achieve them would probably also drop the prices on the TP to an affordable level, win-win.

There won’t be another price spike for any cosmetically unchanged precursor.
If the high end loot table will change – expect a rise.
If we get a 100% method to acquire a precursor – expect high end mats prices to rise.

Feel free to qoute me later, this will hold true.

Ignoring all the fanbois and trade heroes in this thread for a second:

Isn’t it spectacular how anything precursor-related on these forums are being ignored by Arenanet? [cut]How many more threads with rage, pleas, suggestions will it take before they respond to this?

Do they really not care? At all? Anymore?

This is a pretty bad question, they want the highest amount of gold spent so they can sell more gems. I know a few people who literally just bought out their legendary weapons(gems to gold)

Cloud.7613:

This is a pretty bad question, they want the highest amount of gold spent so they can sell more gems. I know a few people who literally just bought out their legendary weapons(gems to gold)

Shirley, you can’t be serious.

Iehova.9518:

Cloud.7613:

This is a pretty bad question, they want the highest amount of gold spent so they can sell more gems. I know a few people who literally just bought out their legendary weapons(gems to gold)

Shirley, you can’t be serious.

I’m serious, Roger.

Firegoth.6427:

Sauzo.6821:

Firegoth.6427:

There are currently 14 dusks listed on TP.
5023 people on demand for 500~600g offers for top 14.

They are WILLING to pay that much, so if all of them get what they wish for, how many dusks are going to be left?
You do the math.

You all want a skill based method or a scavenger hunt of some sort to get a precursor, but what if I told you it would be just as long, tedious and hard as making 660g?
That you would have to go through same equivalent lengths to get it?

There will always be complains, no matter what – this situation right now is best for everyone.

And you prolly believe everything posted on the internet is the truth to don’t you? People and gold sellers/TP players whatever you wanna call em, aren’t stupid. They will list the precursor or any item for X amount and then put up a buy order for 2,3 or however many of that item for alittle under their list price to give the illusion that people are willing to spend that much. That’s not to say some people out there aren’t but i’ll guarantee you, the majority of the people aren’t.

What’s even funnier is watch the TP and precursors awhile. You will see alot of certain ones listed at X amount for a week or so. Then they all dry up and then a few days later BAM, there will be like 5 or 6 listed at about 100g+ higher. Coincidence? Did 6 people just get lucky and all try and sell their precursor at the same time? Did everyone all of a sudden come into 600g+ and buy out the TP of supplies? No, it’s the TP players bumping up precursors 1 more notch. Believe me or not, i personally don’t care but i will say in 2 months if nothing is done about precursors, they will be over 1k for the big 3(Dusk, Dawn, The Legend).

I also watch the market as I play (special thanks to zicore!) and I can tell you that the precursors are sold maybe 1 a day. And trade orders remain the same. (currently actively watching one as I play every day).
Allow me to break the completely logical reasoning behind the prices spikes -
Dusk of rage – 66g. Release month, precursors flood the market due to god skulls exploit.
Dusk – 200g. Expolit fixed, people start working towards the weapon.
Dusk – 400g, after people start realizing how desired these weapons are, they buy them in large quantities to resist them for more later.
Dusk – 600g, legendaries are allowed to be sold on TP.

What I’m getting at, is that the prices will remain static unless we’ll get further improvement to them, such as the dreamer’s new effect that caused the price of the lover to spike.

The thing is, anet should have dealt with the godskull exploit immediately, these allowed certain players to get a huge foothold in the economy and pretty much allowed them almost free control – which is an extremely bad thing for MMos when certain players can almost totally control in-game economies.