Guild Wars 2

In GW1 you had prestigious armor sets.
When you looked at someone in GW1 wearing FoW armor, you knew that was a hardcore player that had been places, accomplished many tasks and was a warrior.
Someone you wanted in your party.
There is nothing epic about buying outfits and playing GW2 barbie.
And that is why GW1 was more epic than GW2.

Not to mention the thousands of different builds that was possbile in GW1.

That is also the only expensive armor set costs 10 times more than vabbian armor
But class balance is miles ahead of this game

My TLDR would simply be; Cantha and Assassins.

Bonus: Wear any helmet with Outfit.

I agree but it kinda goes against what a lot of people want for the game(exclusive gear) but personally I don’t mind a more hardcore endgame journey for gear if it’s varied, worth it, and isn’t completely rng. Doesn’t hurt if there’s a lot of different types and methods to get it as well to make it less tedious. I don’t understand why people are so against “grinds”. All mmos are are grinds kitten . What matters is making the grind enjoyable. Seems like everyone wants to be a winner with no challenge or effort nowadays. I don’t want participation awards I want something that shows I’ve learned to play well. I say this as a casual player that only plays on weekends.

GW1 has grown on me but since you can’t jump or slide down a hillside then it will never be better than GW2. And it feels a crapton more grindy.

Monk Tank.5897:

In GW1 you had prestigious armor sets.
When you looked at someone in GW1 wearing FoW armor, you knew that was a hardcore player that had been places, accomplished many tasks and was a warrior.
Someone you wanted in your party.
There is nothing epic about buying outfits and playing GW2 barbie.
And that is why GW1 was more epic than GW2.

Contrasted with GW2’s community where the phrase hard-core is offensive and there can never be prestige items because it will make those without it feel inadequate and resentful of those that put time into content that they “don’t want to play” but still feel they deserve the rewards.

No playable asura, sylvari, or even norn? No thanks. I also like being able to jump. No, not those stupid jump puzzles, just being able to jump. Humans are boring and mostly stupid. How many of their own kingdoms did they lose again, all except Kryta? And maybe Cantha, in a manner of speaking, though we can’t go there now.

And, prestige is worthless, little more than an excuse to justify denying others the ability to acquire something. “Forget you, got mine.”

Because “hard-core” isn’t good for business. Just look at what catering to “hard-core” did to WildStar. You sell a lot more copies to players who aren’t looking for “hard-core” but something fun to do.

Welcome to the age of the “filthy casual” gaming. It’s not just for elitists anymore.

Behellagh.1468:

Because “hard-core” isn’t good for business. Just look at what catering to “hard-core” did to WildStar. You sell a lot more copies to players who aren’t looking for “hard-core” but something fun to do.

Welcome to the age of the “filthy casual” gaming. It’s not just for elitists anymore.

I agree and disagree here. Not sure where you land on the fence, but I agree hardcore is not good for business. Not anymore. But on the other side we now have people that believe they should be able to do anything they want and get whatever items they want because that’s what being casual is about and they need to cater to the casuals. Anything with even slight difficulty now is considered “hardcore” by these people and strongly opposed.

So no, hardcore content isn’t good for business, but neither is making everything stupid easy. You need to have difficulty progression and HoT is a perfect example of it being done correctly. HoT is not too hard. It’s the right amount of difficulty for level 80 maps that are designed to be harder than the current level 80 maps. People have just become too complacent and lazy. If they can’t complete it on their 1st attempt, then its too hard and not worth trying.

You used to have to get better at games to get further. First you need to jump on this mushroom, then maybe a gap. Then you have to jump over mushrooms while projectiles are being shot at you, then jump over a bigger gap that requires a run jump, then there’s mushrooms that have spikes you can’t jump on, and way more projectiles and jumps you can only make by jumping on a flying enemy.

If some of these “it’s too hard” complainers played a game like that they’d say, “whoa, a projectile? Like you expect me to have to look at it and then avoid it? WTF this isn’t Dark Souls!”

For me it was because pvp wasn’t complete faceroll you can now play classes like rev/dh and literally faceroll your head against the keyboard and get decent results. The skill cap just keeps getting lower and lower

LOL everyone who had fissure armor cheesed it in some way.

I used to be in a group that would escort people to the forge and they’d pay us a lot of gold. They of course bought their gold or scammed people for it. Anyone who’d farmed that much gold would be more than capable of getting to the forge in a PUG.

A LOT of people who just bought gold and couldn’t even get themselves around the map had FoW armor. Remember all the paid Taxi services in GW1?

Khristophoros.7194:

LOL everyone who had fissure armor cheesed it in some way.

Not all of us, Obbi armor was absolutely achievable if someone is willing to take the time and effort…..lots and lots and lots of time and effort…..

Monk Tank.5897:

In GW1 you had prestigious armor sets.
When you looked at someone in GW1 wearing FoW armor, you knew that was a hardcore player that had been places, accomplished many tasks and was a warrior.
Someone you wanted in your party.
There is nothing epic about buying outfits and playing GW2 barbie.
And that is why GW1 was more epic than GW2.

Or they bought gold for FoW armor with their credit card.

Khristophoros.7194:

LOL everyone who had fissure armor cheesed it in some way.

I used to be in a group that would escort people to the forge and they’d pay us a lot of gold. They of course bought their gold or scammed people for it. Anyone who’d farmed that much gold would be more than capable of getting to the forge in a PUG.

Tell your self that if you want, I spent 3-4 months doing FoW/UW farming up the mats/selling good drops to pay foe my Obby armor. I remember the sense of achievement when I got the items together for the last peace. It was hard work, and when it went wrong it I felt screen smashing rage. But all in all, I still regard it as the moat fun I had in GW1. Getting Vabi for my Sin was easy in comparison. DoA helped alot.

And getting Gold was easy in GW, CoF dungeon netted me alot of gold. I think most of the 400+ platinum I have on my account came from doing that. I was well gutted when the skills got changed so you couldn’t do it anymore.

Ayrilana.1396:

Monk Tank.5897:

In GW1 you had prestigious armor sets.
When you looked at someone in GW1 wearing FoW armor, you knew that was a hardcore player that had been places, accomplished many tasks and was a warrior.
Someone you wanted in your party.
There is nothing epic about buying outfits and playing GW2 barbie.
And that is why GW1 was more epic than GW2.

Or they bought gold for FoW armor with their credit card.

You guys keep saying this, but I really don’t think it was as common as you think it was. Sure there were some goldsellers and botters, but (atleast back then) Anet did a reasonably good job of Banscything both. Everyone else just did farming, speed runs and power selling.
Edit: To the OP: Actually, GW1 was almost as much “playing barbie” as GW2 is. Especially in the later years when Anet added costumes to the gw1 ingame store….which were just like outfits are.