Guild Wars 2

Wow, okay. Where to start?

Lexandro.1456:

Lol no its not for “elites”. The tier was added simply because getting an exotic set was deemed “too easy”, not that it was only for “elite players”. Its got nothing to do with “bragging rights” and is not a prestige item. Far from it.

Yes it is for ‘elites’ because you can do just fine without ascended. You don’t need it. The only reason people would get it, is because they want it.

If I need to explain it in even more precise detail, and turn this into a text wall, it’s for achievers. Now, I’m not going to take time to check the validity of the Bartle Test based on gamer psychology, but the generalization of getting the ‘best items obtainable’ still stand.

And…where did I ever say it’s prestige? I even said in my last post that the stats were still balanced in comparison to exotics….

Lexandro.1456:

And if they are supposed to take a long time to work toward, then explain why the mats are purchasable off the TP hmm? I had an ascended weapon day 2 of the release because I stockpiled mats to get up to 500 crafting, and I had spare gold to buy in the T7 mats required. Nothing “elite” about buying your way to an item.

Explain how you’re going to purchase the mats without first making the money hmmm? You still gotta work for that. Good for you that you planned ahead and got everything you-

Oh wait. Weren’t people in this thread primarily criticizing the amount of work needed to obtain ascended? Whereas you state you took (At least I’ll have to assume this is your intended message) little effort to get your ascended weapon. Which, in your opinion, is not “prestige”.

So…….you’re just telling everyone else that the effort to ascended is not a big issue. If you know the game well enough to stockpile mats, have enough gold, know what to expect on game updates….you can easily prepare the workload for your ascended item. Unlike casual gamers who prefer to play casually. Just as long as you’re not a pure…casual player.

Yeaaaaah that kinda sounds a few steps along the prestige “know your stuff” ladder….

Lexandro.1456:

Its the BiS gear, its for everyone to own and use. You are in the wrong game my friend if you think wearing some pink bits makes you somehow “leet” and gives prestige. Particularly as Ive seen a crapload of people already running around with the armor on.

Oh gosh, I think you just skimmed my post and didn’t even try to understand what I said. the ‘leet’-ness came from the effort put in to making the gear. Not the gear themselves.

I said (or at least assumed it was obviously given) that they’re the best so far. You said they are the best so far.

I said they were balanced compared to exotics. You message conveys there’s no greatness to them.

I’ve also seen a lot of people running around with the gear. Heck, I’ve been making a killing off the TP because of these generous people. I could have gone and made my own, but….I’m not a completionist.

Lexandro.1456:

The issue as described is not that people cannot get it, its that the method of obtaining it is mind numbingly boring. And people would like a method to attain them that doesn’t involve standing in LA doing nothing at all in the way of content.

Oh, THERE we go. Why couldn’t you just say that in the first place? Goodness.

Didn’t you realize I was quoting someone who said the ‘cost and effort’ is too much, who was in turn quoting someone who states ‘exotics are fine’? All I did was agree with Peter that exotics are fine.

How in the world did that imply ascended = leet?

Is it because I said the effort to get ascended is a bragging right? Just like the effort to get a legendary, or the effort to get exotic, or the effort to learn a dungeon, or ANY effort put in to get ANY type of advancement….is a bragging right? a bragging right that you got game?

Lexandro.1456:

“leet” gear and “prestige items”, boy you are funny dude.

I…how did….I didn’t-even…where did I say leet and prestige? All I said was ‘best of the best’ to where YOU said the same! Sheesh.

Oh, and by the way, I’m a lady, thanks.

OP, I agree. I detest crafting. I refuse to do it. I’m willing to put time and money into getting ascended gear, but not if what I’m putting my effort into makes me miserable. I log on to enjoy myself. I don’t care what gear I’ll get, if I have to put hours into doing something I HATE, it’s not worth it.

The entire addition of ascended weaponry and armour was unnecessary. Making it only available through time gated crafting makes it worse.

To those claiming it’s no needed, I dare you to go to WvW, find a Thief with ascended/legendary daggers and ask him kindly to Backstab you. You’ll see how not needed it is. We are basically back where we were at release, before the Thief burst got toned down. Going backwards is not how you make a game last.

(And please don’t derail this into a OMG nerf Thief thread, because it’s not. Ascended gear is asking for abuse, and that’s where we are.)

Dondarrion.2748:

Ascended gear also drops, most probably by a rate which is comparable to the time and effort needed to craft it all.

Funny how I’ve had exactly one Ascended weapon drop since the implementation, and not even the stat-combo I desired.

In contrast once you reach 500 crafting, getting the additional weapons is a fairly minor steps, easily done in a few days.

You could play and entire year and not get anywhere close to completing an Acended set just from drops. So no, relying on drops is completely unviable.

Play how you want has turned into “craft or be inferior”.

Why crafting? Why the most generic, boring and grindy aspect of GW2?

I have no idea. But crafting has become to GW2 what raiding was in WoW. The only source of reliable gear progression.

The difference is while raiding was exciting, crafting is shuffling around items in a menu.

Ascended gear is still one of the worst game-design decisions ANet has made thus far. They couldn’t have done more wrong.

Weindrasi.3805:

OP, I agree. I detest crafting. I refuse to do it. I’m willing to put time and money into getting ascended gear, but not if what I’m putting my effort into makes me miserable. I log on to enjoy myself. I don’t care what gear I’ll get, if I have to put hours into doing something I HATE, it’s not worth it.

You read my mind!

I don’t understand why Ascended Gear isn’t tradable. Even legendaries can be traded.

Hamfast.8719:

And that is precisely why I hate it. I want to learn! I want to actually understand what the heck I’m doing.

Pick up jewelry as craft.

Refine raw metals into refined bars or ingots.
With these you craft components, like chains. bands and settings for jewels.
With these and jewels you create trinkets, preferably by discovery first as that gives more crafting-xp, then by mass production.

These guides are useful as they give you a clear indication of how much materials you need and when.

It is not a korean game. You don’t need to gather 10000 resources and wait for procs, you don’t need to collect money for three months and uninstall the game after fails.

Crafting in GW2 is plain and simple.

If they will remove craft disciplines and replace all craft stations with NPC. You need to buy license to be able to buy items. License cost = resources. Items = resources.

Will it make so much difference for you?

Why don’t you complain “omg i don’t want to talk to NPC and use trading post, make alternative way to sell items for me”? Because it is stupid, right? In terms of GW2 words like “i don’t want to craft” have the same meaning.

Ascended items from craft is the best way! You don’t need to achieve anything. You need money from ANY activity in game (chose what you want), buy resources, exchange resources for items (craft).

Plain and simple. You just buy items without any efforts.

Corpus Christi.2057:

It’s good there’s finally something not so easily attainable by “the masses”. Work hard and you’ll get it.

Adorable.
Really, i find totally cute you guys going full Pro Elitist, Hardcore, Working Hard and get SkillzorX… Don’t forget you’re playing a game people calls Casual Wars… Now you can go back spamming autoattack in your champ train.

In my opinion, things such as Ascended gear or Legendary gear(including precursors) shouldn’t be based on RNG, and shouldn’t JUST be based on crafting. I don’t like to craft, never did, and GW2 although it makes it all more of a “friendly experience” still doesn’t change that fact.
Ascended gear as well as Legendary gear, besides crafting, should be aquired through some sort of months long(or even year long) Epic Quest story-line, that would not only be difficult, but also give some actual lore to this gear. Say, one mission per month, that would give you some nice lore and story to back it up, as well as certain materials/components you would need to make it, OR just the achievement, and at the end of this Epic Stpryline you’d recieve the full Precursor/Legendary Weapon or Ascended Set/Ascended Weapon.
Forcing people to either craft it or depend on luck for a top stats, or even just cosmetic personal achievement is not the way to go. My gf has been aiming for a legendary for months, she had a lot of farming to do in the beginning, and now she’s nearly finished with it. Mid-Progress, I thought of also aiming for a legendary, but the required farming/grinding for something I’d like to achieve in less than, preferably, 2 years, whats simply too much. Legendaries were supposed to be a long term personal achievement, but people managed to turn it into something you have to grind, buy, and farm(not the full thing, but the overall process to get it). So instead, I went for an ascended, which still took me months. I feel like I achieved something, because I got to 500 even though I don’t like crafting, but lore-wise, character-wise, it certainly wasn’t fulfilling.
Basically, what I’m saying is, aiming for something as special(or supposed to be) as Ascended or Legendary without context, isn’t fulfilling at all.

Ok, so according to this thread none of the following are ‘acceptable’ methods for getting ascended weapons/armor:

• Crafting
• Drops
• Laurels
• Dungeon Tokens

Can anyone tell me what would be acceptable? What do you consider a reasonable way to get the best gear in the game?

As unique rewards for a major quest plot.
As Fractals token rewards.
As a reward for a unique meta achievement.
Purchasable from the TP

I think that’s the general idea.

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

I don’t understand why Ascended Gear isn’t tradable. Even legendaries can be traded.

My guess, is that once the hype dies down, it’ll be opened to trade, perhaps?

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Darkobra.6439:

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Aeonblade.8709:

Regardless of how many tantrums are thrown by the people who crafted them, more avenues to get the gear will open up, they stand to lose far more than they gain by not opening up ascended gear to WvW players or non crafters, and they have already acknowledged this.

We get Ascended gear in WvW all the time.

As someone who rarely does WvW, can you elaborate on this? Do you mean that playing as normal will get you a chance for ascended armour to drop or is there an option for badges to buy ascended armour?

If you actively play in WvW, you get two chances for Ascended drops. 1) Each time you rank up, you have a chance to get one in the Rank up chest. 2) For each player you kill, you have a chance at loot. Steel chests have a chance to give you a Precursor, Ascended box, or regular Exotic.

So the current meta to farm Ascended and Precursors is to kill a lot of players, over and over and over. On higher tier matches, you have a chance to get hundreds of kills per hour.

So……………….. I play WvW most of the time, yet I have not had 1 drop. There are around 150 players in my guild most of whom also WvW, amongst them only 3-4 have had ascended drops. So please enough with the false statements.

I can’t believe Anet forced us to take 1 minutes of our life to click a few button to craft gear. That is so wrong.

Not to mention how painful it is to spend 1 or 2 hours of our life maxing our crafting.

And don’t get me started on legendary weapon. I can’t believe Anet forced us to spend 1 second of our life to click a button to craft our legendary weapon.

I rather compalin about that 1 second instead of the few hundred hours that is required to gather the material for crafting ascended gear or legendary.

laokoko.7403:

I can’t believe Anet forced us to take 1 minutes of our life to click a few button to craft gear. That is so wrong.

Not to mention how painful it is to spend 1 or 2 hours of our life maxing our crafting.

And don’t get me started on legendary weapon. I can’t believe Anet forced us to spend 1 second of our life to click a button to craft our legendary weapon.

I rather compalin about that 1 second instead of the few hundred hours that is required to gather the material for crafting ascended gear or legendary.

2 hours to max crafting? Stopped reading there.

Darkobra.6439:

laokoko.7403:

I can’t believe Anet forced us to take 1 minutes of our life to click a few button to craft gear. That is so wrong.

Not to mention how painful it is to spend 1 or 2 hours of our life maxing our crafting.

And don’t get me started on legendary weapon. I can’t believe Anet forced us to spend 1 second of our life to click a button to craft our legendary weapon.

I rather compalin about that 1 second instead of the few hundred hours that is required to gather the material for crafting ascended gear or legendary.

2 hours to max crafting? Stopped reading there.

I know right? If people can reach lvl80 in less than 3 hours before the 500 patch craft. It shouldn’t be too hard to max 1 craft in 2 hours.

The only difficult desicion. Is if you want to fast track since you can save 25 level of gold from 450-475. And again, what’s so difficult on clicking a button once a day.

Ascended will have more options to be obtainable. As it is now, you are forced to craft or to wait for all the pieces to drop from mobs. Well, good for all of the crafters out there, too bad they can’t sell the armor to others.

I dont’ know why people keep talking about crafting.

Ascended gear is so tough to get not because “crafting is hard”. But because gathering the gold and material and gold is hard.

If you don’t want to spend the enourmous amount or hours in dungeon, farming, wvw, world boss farming just say it.

But please stop the excuse about clicking a few button “crafting” actually takes any time.

Ok, Laokoko. I think you need to be sat down and explained to thoroughly.

When people talk about crafting, they’re not talking about the clicking the accumulation of materials they already have. They’re talking about the accumulation in and of itself. This is also down to time-gated recipes and ascended stuff coming from very specific places, such as dragonite ore and dark matter.

Just please read the thread next time and not just the title.

Darkobra.6439:

They’re talking about the accumulation in and of itself. This is also down to time-gated recipes and ascended stuff coming from very specific places, such as dragonite ore and dark matter.

So people are not complaining about crafting. People are complaining about doing dungeon, wvw, champ farming, world boss?

If people are complainig about that. Why are they asking about alternate way of getting ascended gear. You “ARE” getting ascended gear from wvw, farming, dungeon.

I’m cool with crafting (I usually don’t enjoy it), I just wish the acquisition of Dragonite wasn’t so restricted to one small aspect of the game. I refuse to go out of my way to farm world bosses because I do not find this enjoyable, so I accept that I’ll slowly get them via WvW… Eventually.

Corpus Christi.2057:

Pip.2094:

Corpus Christi.2057:

It’s good there’s finally something not so easily attainable by “the masses”. Work hard and you’ll get it.

*Grind hard, grind hard.
After mindlessly running after champions in Queensdale for two weeks, stand at your lovely crafting station and click click click. DONE!!! OMG I AM SO PRO <3 :’)

Ye, it’s awayls better to get something directly from gemstore – 1 click = no grind.

Gotta love couch potatoes…;)

No, what would be good is: To craft this “so epic item” you need 5 essences of Lupicus, dropped by ONLY killing Lupicus and only if you damaged it for at least 20% during the whole fight. THAT would make it a decent thing to work for, grind is nothing but a ridiculously boring dinamic that requires: NO brain, NO skill, nothing. Just follow a zerg and spam some autoattack here and there. -.-’

Because they totally added alternative ways to getting Ascended Accessories and Weapons?

Oh wait, that’s right, they never did. But at least you could get Laurels through various channels as long as you did the daily frequently. But otherwise?

You know what I think?

I think ANet opted for crafting as the “go-to” method of acquiring Ascended gear because every other progression path had been ignored for so long, leaving people with piles of Karma, Laurels and Badges.

So adding Ascended to those system would just have meant everyone can by Ascended gear from the get-go.

But you know what? None of this would be necessary if ANet actually thought things through before implementing them. Give people a sensible way to spend Karma and it will continue to be of value. Give people more interesting ways to spend Laurels and they too will be of value.

But no, instead ANet will introduce a new currency/progression system every time they add new gear because they are incapable of creating a coherent and fair gear-progression system.

laokoko.7403:

Darkobra.6439:

They’re talking about the accumulation in and of itself. This is also down to time-gated recipes and ascended stuff coming from very specific places, such as dragonite ore and dark matter.

So people are not complaining about crafting. People are complaining about doing dungeon, wvw, champ farming, world boss?

If people are complainig about that. Why are they asking about alternate way of getting ascended gear. You “ARE” getting ascended gear from wvw, farming, dungeon.

Spend the next 3 weeks in WvW then tell us how much dragonite you have accumulated. The problem with the way things are set up now, Anet is forcing you to play content you don’t enjoy in order to create these pieces of kitten in a reasonable time frame. I just spent the last 2 days just farming meta events and temples (wihich I find boring as hell) with my 3 alt and I still need to farm them for another 2-3 days inorder to get enough ascended mats to craft my armor and weapons. After that is done I have to wait another couple weeks inorder to craft all the time gated pieces (I’m looking at you Bolts of Damask). Anyone who find that enjoyable needs to get their head checked.

Dondarrion.2748:

Ascended gear also drops, most probably by a rate which is comparable to the time and effort needed to craft it all.

So. . . 24 hours for a full set of armor + weapon?

Julie Yann.5379:

laokoko.7403:

Darkobra.6439:

They’re talking about the accumulation in and of itself. This is also down to time-gated recipes and ascended stuff coming from very specific places, such as dragonite ore and dark matter.

So people are not complaining about crafting. People are complaining about doing dungeon, wvw, champ farming, world boss?

If people are complainig about that. Why are they asking about alternate way of getting ascended gear. You “ARE” getting ascended gear from wvw, farming, dungeon.

Spend the next 3 weeks in WvW then tell us how much dragonite you have accumulated. The problem with the way things are set up now, Anet is forcing you to play content you don’t enjoy in order to create these pieces of kitten in a reasonable time frame. I just spent the last 2 days just farming meta events and temples (wihich I find boring as hell) with my 3 alt and I still need to farm them for another 2-3 days inorder to get enough ascended mats to craft my armor and weapons. After that is done I have to wait another couple weeks inorder to craft all the time gated pieces (I’m looking at you Bolts of Damask). Anyone who find that enjoyable needs to get their head checked.

Exactly. Your problem is not with crafting (beside the time gated material which you can probably purchase from the AH anyway).

Your problem is you don’t want to farm temple which don’t have anything to do with crafting.

The time it takes to craft is negligible compare to “gathering the material”.

So stop blaming crafting. But blame the grind for doing “dungeon, wvw, world boss, chest farming, gold farming, champ farming”

laokoko.7403:

Exactly. Your problem is not with crafting (beside the time gated material which you can probably purchase from the AH anyway).

Your problem is you don’t want to farm temple which don’t have anything to do with crafting.

The time it takes to craft is negligible compare to “gathering the material”.

So stop blaming crafting. But blame the grind for doing “dungeon, wvw, world boss, chest farming, gold farming, champ farming”

Crafting is a package, not a one-and-done. You have to level the crafting skill by grinding gold or mats, then standing for hours at a crafting station making useless crap you’re only going to salvage. That’s a lot of drag-and-drop and a lot of clicking. If crafting were only a couple of clicks, that might be different. Even assuming you’ve leveled your skill and have gathered or bought the raw mats for an Ascended item, how much clicking is involved in refining ore into ingots, cloth into bolts, etc. ad nauseam before you can do that one click to finish the process.

Epic gameplay is one thing, but the only thing epic about Ascended crafting is the size of the required materials list.

laokoko.7403:

Julie Yann.5379:

laokoko.7403:

Darkobra.6439:

They’re talking about the accumulation in and of itself. This is also down to time-gated recipes and ascended stuff coming from very specific places, such as dragonite ore and dark matter.

So people are not complaining about crafting. People are complaining about doing dungeon, wvw, champ farming, world boss?

If people are complainig about that. Why are they asking about alternate way of getting ascended gear. You “ARE” getting ascended gear from wvw, farming, dungeon.

Spend the next 3 weeks in WvW then tell us how much dragonite you have accumulated. The problem with the way things are set up now, Anet is forcing you to play content you don’t enjoy in order to create these pieces of kitten in a reasonable time frame. I just spent the last 2 days just farming meta events and temples (wihich I find boring as hell) with my 3 alt and I still need to farm them for another 2-3 days inorder to get enough ascended mats to craft my armor and weapons. After that is done I have to wait another couple weeks inorder to craft all the time gated pieces (I’m looking at you Bolts of Damask). Anyone who find that enjoyable needs to get their head checked.

Exactly. Your problem is not with crafting (beside the time gated material which you can probably purchase from the AH anyway).

Your problem is you don’t want to farm temple which don’t have anything to do with crafting.

The time it takes to craft is negligible compare to “gathering the material”.

So stop blaming crafting. But blame the grind for doing “dungeon, wvw, world boss, chest farming, gold farming, champ farming”

I see your point and that may apply for some but remember that there are a lot of people who have never bothered to level their crafting because, well quite frankly, it is very uninteresting. Now all those people are required to level all those professions to 500 which is not a small undertaking. I was lucky enough to be a hoarder and had plenty of mats available to take me from 400-500 but I still ran out and it still cost me a quite a bit of gold and I still have 2 crafts to level up in order to eventually gear up my alts. Since crafting is the only way to acquire that gear Anet is inevitably forcing those people into playing a part of the game in which they have zero interest.

Arikyali.5804:

They’re for the elites

In what way does being willing to spend time at a crafting station make one elite ?

Danikat.8537:

Can anyone tell me what would be acceptable? What do you consider a reasonable way to get the best gear in the game?

Reasonable for me would be normal leveling by level 80 (or shortly thereafter)

Ashen.2907:

Arikyali.5804:

They’re for the elites

In what way does being willing to spend time at a crafting station make one elite ?

….Sure. Just quote one phrase – not even the full sentence – from my post, and ignore my (evidently unsuccessful) attempt of a quick, concise explanation on why the effort invested for ascended gear is fine just the way it is.

I’m not writing another wall of text. I guess it’s my own fault assuming everyone knew the general concepts on balance, economics, time investment, and psychology, and thus my post didn’t need any further explanation. Somehow I could magically squeeze all that in one tiny post where everyone could glean the meaning off in one quick glance.

Maybe I should just delete my post.

Arikyali.5804:

Ashen.2907:

Arikyali.5804:

They’re for the elites

In what way does being willing to spend time at a crafting station make one elite ?

….Sure. Just quote one phrase – not even the full sentence – from my post, and ignore my (evidently unsuccessful) attempt of a quick, concise explanation on why the effort invested for ascended gear is fine just the way it is.

I’m not writing another wall of text. I guess it’s my own fault assuming everyone knew the general concepts on balance, economics, time investment, and psychology, and thus my post didn’t need any further explanation. Somehow I could magically squeeze all that in one tiny post where everyone could glean the meaning off in one quick glance.

Maybe I should just delete my post.

It was an honest question, and one not answered in your explanation. Your, “wall of text,” does not address the question.

Dondarrion.2748:

Ascended gear also drops, most probably by a rate which is comparable to the time and effort needed to craft it all.

It’s about as rare or rarer as getting a Precursor drop if you throw in the fact that it’ll be the stats you don’t use or want. Crafting is the only realistic way.

Ashen.2907:

It was an honest question, and one not answered in your explanation. Your, “wall of text,” does not address the question.

Sorry, I was tired so I sorta snapped at you. Since you asked an honest question, I’ll give a proper answer.

Crafting isn’t ‘elite’ at all.What is elite is having the time and money to invest in a full set of ascended gear. I haven’t checked the values lately, but I think it takes over a hundred gold to get there in one go, especially for tailoring now. And if you don’t even have crafting capped at 400, it’ll cost more. Not everyone is sitting at a couple hundred – thousand gold between their bank and investments, with nothing to spend it on. It’s not going to be something you’ll commit to if you don’t want to. It’s elite in the sense of achievement. If you actually want it, you’ll make the effort to get it, since ascended doesn’t give a major advantage.

This is a good thing. Ascended won’t create a strict borderline on gold farming activities, like dungeon runs, where only ascended gear would end up being the only ones wanted. It won’t create a large gap between the casual and the hardcore gamers. The real reason people get ascended is not because it gives them a significant advantage now, but because it’s nice to have. It’s gonna be a slow steady progression to work up to.

The reason I think they picked crafting, is because of the market balance. Yeah, now it’s pricey because people want it, but that’s how the market works. Before the update, crafting material was practically ignored. Supply and demand, so now there is a demand to even out the supply. It’s created a chain reaction on drops, and it’ll circulate wealth from the level 80s to to the lower levels.

If crafting is such a boring and tedious task, I’ll take the lesser of the two evils. I’d rather have ascended gear from crafting, than an imbalanced market in the long run.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Aeonblade.8709:

Regardless of how many tantrums are thrown by the people who crafted them, more avenues to get the gear will open up, they stand to lose far more than they gain by not opening up ascended gear to WvW players or non crafters, and they have already acknowledged this.

We get Ascended gear in WvW all the time.

? No we don’t. Haven’t seen one drop yet.

Khai.6435:

Couch potatos? The masses? What people don’t understand it’s not the nature of having a level of effort to achieve rewards…

It’s the mindlessness of it all. The lack of challenge other than obstinance… the sheer RNG of it all without regard to effort.

It goes against the reason people left well established games to trust in Arenanet’s vision;

They promised a game where you would play as you prefer and equal rewards were available.

I have never crafted in a game; crafting is a mindless and unchallenging activity. However if I spend 3 hours doing something compared to 1 hour; I expect it to be 3 times worth the event which takes 1. Not the same; and not the same as a 2 minute fight in Queensdale.

Somehow running a hamster wheel circuit in a lowbie zone for some percentile chance at materials or chest reward is supposed to be considered “rewarding” gameplay?

People complain about gated content; but that gated content is starting to look pretty good since you actually get rewarded for your effort and time spent.

I have 7 80s; thousands of hours played;dungeon master and have never seen a precursor drop. I am literally wearing the same gear I have been wearing for months and not only has the character’s story died out; but with it…. all character growth.

Oh there’s the “living story.” I was sent overseas for business the past few weeks… nothing has changed.. oh some big tree popped up.. whatever. The few rewards are mundane and I won’t be able to finish the content associated. So it foster’s a huge, why bother mentality.

People don’t want to craft… good. They shouldn’t have to.

But the game needs to give people a way to “grow” even horizontally. The fact the developers are having to ask the playerbase what this means to them.. means they have really lost their way for me.

THIS POST SAYS IT ALL

I am more than willing to put time and effort into getting Ascended armor and weapons. All I want is more alternatives how to do it.

People come to GW2 to do their own thing… WvW, PvP, PvE, Dungeons, Fractals, etc. My thing is most definitely not crafting. I can do it. I don’t want to. It feels like I’m being made to do homework, but I can do it.

This is a game. I want to be rewarded for gameplay. So let us do our thing and earn our Ascendeds our way. I’m not saying to make it easier. I’m saying to make it more fun. Surely we can be given a variety of ways to get Ascended equipment?

Crafting in GW2 is the second biggest disappointment in GW2. Uninspired, boring, predictable. It is set up so difficult, that figuring it out by yourself as a newbie, you will waste tons of ressources. But if you understand the system behind it (or just use a guide), it is the same simple scheme put over every level of every profession.

In other words, it is stupid to spend time on it, and in the end, the only level a profession is worth something is the max level, as they made ascended items account bound (seriously, crafting stuff for yourself is the goal of crafting professions?). So everyone has to level professions for themselves, or they will be left behind – awesome game design, should give a reward. That’s how crafting works in reality, all those expensive clothes are only worn by the designer themselves too after all.

The biggest disappointment though was, wait for it, ascended items.

Now the core progression of the game combines the two biggest failures of GW2. Thank god for the steam holiday sale!

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Crafting in GW2 is the second biggest disappointment in GW2. Uninspired, boring, predictable. It is set up so difficult, that figuring it out by yourself as a newbie, you will waste tons of ressources. But if you understand the system behind it (or just use a guide), it is the same simple scheme put over every level of every profession.

In other words, it is stupid to spend time on it, and in the end, the only level a profession is worth something is the max level, as they made ascended items account bound (seriously, crafting stuff for yourself is the goal of crafting professions?). So everyone has to level professions for themselves, or they will be left behind – awesome game design, should give a reward. That’s how crafting works in reality, all those expensive clothes are only worn by the designer themselves too after all.

The biggest disappointment though was, wait for it, ascended items.

Now the core progression of the game combines the two biggest failures of GW2. Thank god for the steam holiday sale!

I so agree with you, you couldn’t have said it better!

Besides, to those who say Ascended stuff is finally something not for “masses” I just have one thing to say: I run dungeons, pugging, every day, I saw in the last months LESS people with exotic skins and MOST of them with: either up to THREE Legendaries or full ascended weapons. No joking, and most of these people are under the 3k Achievement points. Everyone can mindlessly grind something with a zerg, at the moment there is nothing in the game, no weapon nor item that proves that someone is more “pro” that someone else. Arah items used to be not for masses, before Arah became like a supermarket.

Kaiyanwan.8521:

Crafting in GW2 is the second biggest disappointment in GW2. Uninspired, boring, predictable. It is set up so difficult, that figuring it out by yourself as a newbie, you will waste tons of ressources. But if you understand the system behind it (or just use a guide), it is the same simple scheme put over every level of every profession.

In other words, it is stupid to spend time on it, and in the end, the only level a profession is worth something is the max level, as they made ascended items account bound (seriously, crafting stuff for yourself is the goal of crafting professions?). So everyone has to level professions for themselves, or they will be left behind – awesome game design, should give a reward. That’s how crafting works in reality, all those expensive clothes are only worn by the designer themselves too after all.

The biggest disappointment though was, wait for it, ascended items.

Now the core progression of the game combines the two biggest failures of GW2. Thank god for the steam holiday sale!

Don’t agree with the entire post, but I really do agree with the crafting bit. Never have I seen a more boring and annoying crafting system than is in this game. I don’t care about switching professions on the fly, I don’t care about discovering recipes that were discovered by others the first week the game came out. If I wanted to craft, I’d want to just craft, not spend hours scouring the world and the TP for those elusive mats that have a .02% chance to drop. That’s not adventurous, that’s tedious.