Guild Wars 2

I’m fairly new to the game so this topic has probably been brought up before, but what is the logic for dyes not being account wide? Like many new players, I made a character I wasn’t that thrilled with so I started working on an alt. Shock and bewilder when I discover all those dyes I used aren’t available on my alt?!

Is this something that could change in the future?

They said they were originally going to be account wide. Anet is fickle like that.

Becuz they actually really believe that you are going to buy 11316848 dyes pack in the gem store for all your characters.

It will probably not change because less people would buy dyepacks in the store therefore less money for Anet. A shame, really.

They would sell alot more dyes in the stores if we knew what we were getting.

Before the game was out I could sort of see the logic in anet’s decision but now I can’t. Dye drops happen too infrequently (for me at least) which means that I won’t come close to getting all dyes even across all of my 5 toons. They should be changed to be account wide.

Because Chrystin Cox, Monetization Producer, person in charge of the gem store, and former employee of Nexon, made it that way. When Nexon acquired 15% of NCSofts stock and became a majority share holder, they put Mrs. Cox in charge of the GW2 gem store to protect their investment.

A couple weeks later, certain aspects of the game start changing, and not for the better. Mrs. Cox first announcement was to change the way dyes worked. They would no longer be unlocked across all characters on your account, but rather on individual characters. Furthermore, dyes were now soulbound. Unidentified dyes were still tradeable, but once you identified a dye, the dye was soulbound. At the exact same time this announcement was made, dye packs showed up in the gem store.

There was a massive backlash, and eventually Mrs. Cox caved in and compromised and allowed unidentified dyes to be tradeable. Later ANet “accidentally” increased the drop rate of unidentified dyes in an attempt to justify nerfing the drop rate to even lower than what it used to be.

Does anyone even buy dye packs? I’m curious as to whether this strategy worked or if its just making the game that much more unappealing.

Because ncsoft is trying to turn everything they own to Korean mmo standards. They have no idea what the western audience enjoys or wants.

morrolan.9608:

Before the game was out I could sort of see the logic in anet’s decision but now I can’t. Dye drops happen too infrequently (for me at least) which means that I won’t come close to getting all dyes even across all of my 5 toons. They should be changed to be account wide.

I completely agree. Initially I was fine with it, but now that the dye drop rate was nerfed to hell, it REALLY should be account wide.

Because of Crystin Cox.

Paul.4081:

Because of Crystin Cox.

Oh boy. Checking in before this topic gets locked or deleted.

I really like this game, but the nickel and diming us to the cash store is the reason I don’t recommend GW2 to anyone anymore.

The answer is money.

Because they think dying your armor is character progression and something they can squeeze money out of players for.

Kravick.4906:

Does anyone even buy dye packs? I’m curious as to whether this strategy worked or if its just making the game that much more unappealing.

During the head start I spent about 100 or more dollars on dye packs due to my thinking that dyes are account bound affairs these are one time purchases! But some how I missed the memo on them becoming soulbound and didn’t find out till a month later when I made my 1st alt which made me furious.

Villious.8530:

I really like this game, but the nickel and diming us to the cash store is the reason I don’t recommend GW2 to anyone anymore.

I still recommend it to people cause its still a good game and I’m hoping that Anet will wake up and fix this game and make it the game they told us we’d be getting in the manifesto….. (Although that would mean fixing the terrible story as well….)

corporate greed getting in the way of devolopers.

DandySlayer.7019:

Villious.8530:

I really like this game, but the nickel and diming us to the cash store is the reason I don’t recommend GW2 to anyone anymore.

I still recommend it to people cause its still a good game and I’m hoping that Anet will wake up and fix this game and make it the game they told us we’d be getting in the manifesto….. (Although that would mean fixing the terrible story as well….)

I’d love to agree with you, but unfortunately, I think that ship has sailed. There’s a new captain at the helm and his name is Ca$h.

Villious.8530:

DandySlayer.7019:

Villious.8530:

I really like this game, but the nickel and diming us to the cash store is the reason I don’t recommend GW2 to anyone anymore.

I still recommend it to people cause its still a good game and I’m hoping that Anet will wake up and fix this game and make it the game they told us we’d be getting in the manifesto….. (Although that would mean fixing the terrible story as well….)

I’d love to agree with you, but unfortunately, I think that ship has sailed. There’s a new captain at the helm and his name is Ca$h.

I believe Anet can mutiny and throw the Captain overboard and renew my faith in them…… POOF wakes up from the glorious dream…….

Elarii.2756:

They would sell alot more dyes in the stores if we knew what we were getting.

This isn’t true. They’d sell a lot fewer dyes. With the random dye pack they’re banking on the appeal of chance, which is very lucrative and leads to repeat business.

This is just plain annoying having to buy Dyes for each character

They AINT CHEAP AT ALL make them Account wide !

To make the grind longer, and push people who are willing to buy dye packs from the store to buy even more dye packs from the store (until they come to their senses and realize that even if they have the disposable income it’s still a waste to spend it that way).

I have to disagree. I love the fact that Dyes aren’t account wide. This actually gives me something to do on my alternate chars other then simply craft my way up to 80, because I’m too kitten lazy to you know, play the game.

I do agree however that Dyes should have a way higher drop rate if they aren’t going to be account bound (hopefully never will be). The market prices are a bit stupid due to how rare they drop. I’m someone who pretty much kills everything I see in Guild Wars 2, and “Maybe” walk out after 2-3 hours of playing with one unidentified dye.

I also agree that ArenaNet has to pull their act together. Guild Wars 2 is becoming (my opinion) nothing more then a mess. Broken Events, Broken Mechanics, etc. etc.

Of course, what’s a company without money? Probably screwed themselves over letting Nexon in. (I don’t know too much about Nexon personally, just hear rumors, and or speculation)

Kravick.4906:

Does anyone even buy dye packs? I’m curious as to whether this strategy worked or if its just making the game that much more unappealing.

No. It’s a good thing people are different. I do agree with the one said, if I could buy the exact one’s I want, I would do that. I think that could be said of a lot of things in the Store. But it’s mostly are RNG, now if everyone was like me, that would totally flop. But we hear from people that say they spent $100 and got nothing they wanted, spent $1000 and got nothing. It’s amazing really what some will spend, but we are different, I must respect that. That said, I don’t really respect what Anet is doing, to me it’s somewhat shady, feels like a different company then I remembered.

Were any of you around during BWE1 when they actually had the old account-wide dye system in place? The process was SLOW, tedious and grindy. You had to wait for a Colorful Dye Seed to drop, take it to dye manufacturer for cultivation, then wait 24 hours for a soulbound unidentified dye (to bypass the 24 hour waiting period, you had to buy Magic Plant Food from the gem store).

I much prefer the new system. It’s easier to understand, FAR less grindy than the old system and we can actually trade between characters (so we can send duplicate dyes between our alts and our friends or buy dyes on the market). And not having to buy Magic Plant Food to speed up the process means it’s much cheaper over the long run. I’d hazard a guess that ArenaNet lost out on a lot of potential gem store revenue with this change.

Well money is of course one side of the medal, maybe (cough) the bigger one.

But let’s be a lil’ optimistic and “fair”
- Dyes are optional and this game B2P (maybe the dyes should be cheaper, okay)
- Buying Dyes in the TP for f.e. three characters means three times more gold “vanished” from the game (TP-“tax”)
- It encourages players to try/use different dye-sets for different characters

Over time, preserving the scarcity of a desireable comodity is good for the economy. Remember GW1? Black dye was worth something, ALL THE TIME. And you had to get one vial per piece of armor. Changed your armor? Time to go drop 7-8k per piece on new armor.

Drop rate on dye is lower now than at launch, no denying it, but let’s face it… with un-id dye going at 2.5 silver, there was no reason to not buy huge gobs of the stuff off the TP and spam it for luck…. if you ‘found’ a rare dye, you found something of little value.

I got Midnight Ice dye recently…. spent a good long while thinking: “Use it…. or sell it…. and if I use it, which character gets it?” The rarity made it a special moment for me. In the end, I used it on my thief… how could I not?

Since we can trade identified dye, pass it around to alts as another poster said, I don’t have a problem with the current system. Don’t get me wrong, I wish I had more options for my alts, they’re so lacking in choices compared to my main, and I really think about specific colors before I buy them…. but, I plan to play this game for years, there’s plenty of time to get things, and years from now, I’ll still be adding to options on my characters, as will we all, and when we get rare dye to drop in the future, it will have retained more value, instead of just getting added to an ever growing heap of sell orders on the TP.

Same reason they nerfed the drop rate. Gem store.

If you played Gw1 you would be thrilled dyes aren’t single use.

/sarcasm

imo, if the dyes were account wide, the drop rate would have to be decreased to compensate. Otherwise, their price on the TP would plummet as time went on. And then this topic would be about why dye drops are so low.

Vorch.2985:

<insert Gem Store conspiracy here>

/sarcasm

imo, if the dyes were account wide, the drop rate would have to be decreased to compensate. Otherwise, their price on the TP would plummet as time went on. And then this topic would be about why dye drops are so low.

As I and others have already said dye drops are so low already that it has exacerbated the issue and that they are so low that they should be made account wide to compensate. I doubt I average 1 drop a week now doing mainly dungeons and WvW at lvl 80.

Making account wide is.dumb personally.
I even believe that banks should.be.separate to.but that’s another story.
Now one thing that they are not doing and that they should be is having npc sells certain ones to create a gold sink. But another issue also. They sent expensive so it’s no big deal.

2 words Cash Shop

Their given excuse was that obtaining dye in-game was “part of the progression of your character” or something like that.

Yeah, it’s a terrible reason and everyone knows it, including the devs. But I’m betting they make a lot of money on how expensive dyes are right now, so don’t expect a change here.

TabMorte.5297:

If you played Gw1 you would be thrilled dyes aren’t single use.

They should change it back like in GW1 where dyes were single use.

While I’d like to agree to the gem store conspiracy, I honestly think it’s intended as a simple gold sink.
But for the type of player I am, it doesn’t work either way.
I never buy dyes from the gemstore.
I very, very rarely buy dyes from the BLTC.
I will once in a blue moon, when I have the mats, craft a dye.

But after recent changes in the direction of the game, I’ve completely sworn off of buying gems with cash. I will now only ever buy gems with in-game currency, if at all.
Once they get rid of any stupid ideas of vertical progression, they will once more start receiving cash from me.

Given you can buy the Digital Deluxe upgrade with gems, I’m going to assume that any expansions will also be purchasable with gems, so I’ll regularly start converting gold to gems so that I can buy them without giving ArenaNet a penny.

maple story
that is the short answer.

To keep them relevant. Dyes already have infinite use. Blue Rarity dyes are selling for less than a silver. Make them account bound and we will be selling blue rarity dyes for 1 copper each.

morrolan.9608:

Before the game was out I could sort of see the logic in anet’s decision but now I can’t. Dye drops happen too infrequently (for me at least) which means that I won’t come close to getting all dyes even across all of my 5 toons. They should be changed to be account wide.

Why on earth do you need all dyes on all toons? I for one, wanted all dyes on at least one. The rest of them – whatever they look good in.

Considering the miserable state of the in-game economy and the complete lack of effort on ANet’s part to improve it, I don’t feel the in-game price of dyes really relevant. It’s an enormous inconvenience for new players who don’t know better and use their dyes while levelin up and still trying to figure out which class they most enjoy.

Not to mention it kind of kills the fun in making an alt just to take advantage in some nice level80 gear you’ve been stashing for a rainy day when you can’t get your character to look as good as your other character.

Now I’m one of the many players who will never spend more than the upfront cost of the game on in-game content and I’m going to have serious trouble committing to this game if these little things like dyes, terrible class design, terrible class balance, and no end-game to speak of keep getting in my way.

It sounds like you just do not like GW2. And you’ve just said you only pay the up-front cost. Well, time to grind out those dyes or buy them off the trading-post.

Dyes are a form of optional character progression. the fact that they are rare makes us want them In GW1 I had black dye drop one. ONCE.

Atherakhia.4086:

Shock and bewilder when I discover all those dyes I used aren’t available on my alt?!

Well, in all honesty, the tooltips for the dye make it totally clear they “unlock the dye this character”, so it shouldn’t have been a surprise really.

Why? Isn’t it obvious?

Greed.

Kraggy.4169:

Atherakhia.4086:

Shock and bewilder when I discover all those dyes I used aren’t available on my alt?!

Well, in all honesty, the tooltips for the dye make it totally clear they “unlock the dye this character”, so it shouldn’t have been a surprise really.

to be fair, nearly every other thing in the game is account wide though. I just wish dyes and karma were and I’d be happy knowing that even if I didn’t like the character I just leveled to 80, it wasn’t a complete waste of time doing it.

and I honestly do like GW2. I just don’t like how they’ve taken so long and achieved so little for overall game balance. It’s almost like they want everyone to be a warrior, guardian, or thief (which I’m going to do for my next char).

Just after Dye-Gate in BWE3 Her Dark Majesty, Crystin Cox, posted saying not to worry, and that there would be a cooking recipe in the game for every specific colour.

It never happened.

Just sayin.

They want the set of dyes each character gets to be personal, like a signature of said character.

And Atherakhia, you can pop into pvp to check how your character plays at 80 if you’re having second thoughts while levelling.

Chamone.6890:

Just after Dye-Gate in BWE3 Her Dark Majesty, Crystin Cox, posted saying not to worry, and that there would be a cooking recipe in the game for every specific colour.

It never happened.

Just sayin.

You know what…a lot of stuff that was mentioned in the BW’s never made it to game or are on the biggest back-backburner of the century.

Remember the guesting feature?

On Topic though:
Because of $$$$$$$$. I don’t even think it needs to be said.

morrolan.9608:

Vorch.2985:

<insert Gem Store conspiracy here>

/sarcasm

imo, if the dyes were account wide, the drop rate would have to be decreased to compensate. Otherwise, their price on the TP would plummet as time went on. And then this topic would be about why dye drops are so low.

As I and others have already said dye drops are so low already that it has exacerbated the issue and that they are so low that they should be made account wide to compensate. I doubt I average 1 drop a week now doing mainly dungeons and WvW at lvl 80.

I call BS. Every day that I spend in Orr the first 2 hours I get anywhere from 1-3 dye drops. This has been consistent for about 3 weeks now, 4 days out of the week.

Atherakhia.4086:

and I honestly do like GW2. I just don’t like how they’ve taken so long and achieved so little for overall game balance. It’s almost like they want everyone to be a warrior, guardian, or thief (which I’m going to do for my next char).

It’s been barely 4 months. If it’s still like this in another 4 or 6 months, I’ll be on your side of the “They haven’t done enough” fence.

it could be worse. they could be a one time use consumable…where have I seen a system like that before?