Guild Wars 2

Since this new living story started once marionette is up and someone dies and no one breaks the chains, why is it that somehow everyone is being called a noob, maybe there are noobs that don’t know what they are doing and need help, but, when someone with 2k AP calls a 15k AP person a noob, it just gets me really angry, who made them god of the game, i could one day go into a dungeon with someone with 10k AP and they keep dying (i myself having 4,515 AP) i would not start calling them names etc. just because they dont know a path, I for one would like people to stop being arrogant and start helping other instead of slagging them off all the time.

Rant over…….

Thanks for Listening

I agree wholeheartedly. Insulting people for failing isn’t doing anything to make this a better game or community.

GW2 had a friendly community when it was about playing for fun.

Since they pushed playing ONLY for rewards philosophy you have to expect what we have today.

They are appealing to farmers and grinders….You didn t even see what happened during the dungeon farming preascended weapons etc……

If you lost 4 seconds due to a slightly offest pull, you were booted and insulted.
People played dungeons with a timer and 10 more seconds per run would equal quit or boot (i m not joking, really few seconds….).

At the beginning instead you saw people playing together and Learning istances etc….with veterans helping.

There will always be some. It’s just the way people are – they forget we were all new once or play at diff skill levels and for different reasons. The good thing I have seen on our server is that they are mercifully small in number (just more vocal because they think it is cool to sound better than others). All you can do is ignore them and actively praise/encourage others. Eventually it will drown out the others and will continue to build a better community.

It’s the Internet. That above all else.

However, Arenanet deserves much of the criticism for this situation. They created a game that mostly appeals to average players, and then put into it events where average players will fail over 3/4 of the time. Not to mention the OF nonsense.

People get frustrated, and they lash out. They shouldn’t, but they do.

lukeNIN.2901:

… why is it that somehow everyone is being called a noob, …

They don’t understand the purpose of chat so it might be best to put them on ignore

LordByron.8369:

GW2 had a friendly community when it was about playing for fun.

Since they pushed playing ONLY for rewards philosophy you have to expect what we have today.

They are appealing to farmers and grinders….You didn t even see what happened during the dungeon farming preascended weapons etc……

If you lost 4 seconds due to a slightly offest pull, you were booted and insulted.
People played dungeons with a timer and 10 more seconds per run would equal quit or boot (i m not joking, really few seconds….).

At the beginning instead you saw people playing together and Learning istances etc….with veterans helping.

Just look at the LFG Tool ingame.
All you see is “selling” and “only War, Mes and Guard +80, EXPERIENCED”.

Rarely, only for a bit you see people actually wanting to experience the dungeon and not seeing them as moneysource.

If i was a new player trying to get into that i would feel scared.

If i open a group i always open it as a “casual” or “first time” run, to avoid elitists.
Most of the time it works and i get some really funny people.
We might even fail (I am looking at you Arah -_- ), however it is still fun, since it is no rush.

y die?!

uh… but yeah. I think this is the first living story where I’ve seen some of the most hideous behaviour of some people.

It is quite funny to see them all ranting about “learn to dodge, how hard is it?” in map chat. They also say things like “people don’t know how to read map chat”, and I always reply that maybe, then can read, but they sure don’t want to because it’s just a line of abuse. Most people have it either turned off or have the people who abuse them on ignore, so they aren’t even seeing the abuse hurled their way. So it’s all just a load of excess energy gone to waste, imo.

First off all I would never call other players a noob, specially not in their face. During the specific event when a chain fails I would call mostly for the next lane to do better and ‘show them’ how it’s done.

Also when the event goes really really bad (like less then 3 lanes actually succeeding) I would urge everyone to read the guide at dulfy.net before they try again.

Those words might sound harshbut they are to provide actual help. By putting the competition on the next lane to do better then the failing lane I try to keep the event rolling (if people are flaming in mapchat they are not actually playing). By advising to read dulfy I advise people to read the guide :P

I dot that without notion of the people I’m talking bout. I hate long waiting, so I usually show up 10 minutes ahead of time in overflow and I don’t know the people. I also don’t think that someone is checking actively how many AP’s someone has. I got a lil bit over 9,5k. There are players with more then me, who are really better then me. I also know players with more who are definitly not as good, but just more focused on those AP’s.

As for the LFG-tool.
I disagree that there are only wts and ‘experienced only’. There are also LFG’s that do it right. Ironical the best pug’s I joined where those that did NOT advertise with the experienced only.

The reason for that is simple. The people asking for specific classes and specific experiences are often blaiming past mistakes on their party, while in reality, it is more likely to blame on themselfes.

It is all bout respect for eachother. I don’t care if you have 20k AP’s or 2k AP’s, just be nice and respectfull to others. If people can improve, give them helpfull feedback. It also works the other way. I have been in a pug that was advertised as level 80 only, and before the final boss, without asking 2 people logged out to low level alt. the person who started the LFG was kittened off and he was totally right. If you join a level 80 only you don’t do this, disregardless what you think bout people asking for level 80 only.

So be respectfull. I do believe this is still the case with most people, but some are not

CrossedHorse.4261:

It is quite funny to see them all ranting about “learn to dodge, how hard is it?” in map chat. They also say things like “people don’t know how to read map chat”, and I always reply that maybe, then can read, but they sure don’t want to because it’s just a line of abuse. Most people have it either turned off or have the people who abuse them on ignore, so they aren’t even seeing the abuse hurled their way. So it’s all just a load of excess energy gone to waste, imo.

Exactly. It’s pretty funny really. Probably half the reason nobody’s seeing the chat is because of abuse like this. Everybody turns it off so they don’t have to watch these idiots.

I try to be up beat in every marionette battle. People don’t need to be abused because of this fight. Nobody’s gonna want to do it if a few rotten eggs make it a horrible experience. If people are having fun, then they’ll want to be a part of it and learn how to do it.

I just tell people how to block the negative people.

I think that most people are actually friendly, they are just not as LOUD as the flamers.

And most times I see someone attacking “noobs” on map chat, there is at least another one defending the new player…

I don’t think it’s necessarily that there are more people being angry or impatient or whatever, it’s just that because the new events require large groups and there’s relatively little control over which group you’re in they’re more likely to come into contact with players who don’t meet their personal standards than in the normal game.

That and if it fails you have to wait 2 hours to try again, so for people who specifically want to finish it a loss can be extremely frustrating, more so than wiping on a champion or a dungeon or whatever.

Jaken.6801:

LordByron.8369:

GW2 had a friendly community when it was about playing for fun.

Since they pushed playing ONLY for rewards philosophy you have to expect what we have today.

They are appealing to farmers and grinders….You didn t even see what happened during the dungeon farming preascended weapons etc……

If you lost 4 seconds due to a slightly offest pull, you were booted and insulted.
People played dungeons with a timer and 10 more seconds per run would equal quit or boot (i m not joking, really few seconds….).

At the beginning instead you saw people playing together and Learning istances etc….with veterans helping.

Just look at the LFG Tool ingame.
All you see is “selling” and “only War, Mes and Guard +80, EXPERIENCED”.

Rarely, only for a bit you see people actually wanting to experience the dungeon and not seeing them as moneysource.

If i was a new player trying to get into that i would feel scared.

If i open a group i always open it as a “casual” or “first time” run, to avoid elitists.
Most of the time it works and i get some really funny people.
We might even fail (I am looking at you Arah -_- ), however it is still fun, since it is no rush.

And when you do open those groups for casual or 1st time runs how long are you waiting for it to fill up? If it’s anything like my experiences doing the same thing it’s only a few minutes at most. Sometimes I hit refresh, spot a casual listing and it’s full before I can click to join.

And I think that’s a big part of the reason you don’t see them as often. People wanting specific group compositions or selling spots have to wait for the exact people they want, and their listing will be up the entire time they’re waiting, for some reason they’re reluctant to combine groups as well. Whereas people who will take anyone just need any 4 people. So it fills and disappears from the list much faster.

Obviously I don’t know for sure, but that’s been my experience. I’ve seen casual listings appear, fill and disappear from the list while the same groups looking for an experienced level 80 mesmer only for a speed clear are still sitting there waiting.

To be fair, a lot of people are saying helpful things but they get frustrated and it comes out rudely. I’ve had longer chats with a lot of people on my server after the event fails (and my server is generally a very friendly place), and most of the people who seemed to be yelling at others totally calmed down after a quick reply and just explained their frustration very straightforwardly and not at all in a hurtful manner.

In the heat of the moment, people feed off each other. Some don’t restrict it to yelling at their screen, but let loose in map chat. Most of them just need to cool down a bit. Some, clearly, are just obnoxious. But hopefully, it hasn’t put people off trying. Try enough and people learn, so it’s all fine by me. The boss isn’t going anywhere for a while.

What I really do wish? That the marionette was a permanent world boss. Oh, and that it spawned more frequently, lol. I much prefer the marionette to the wurm.

I sometimes call those people out. I do that because I am frustrated not only by their lack of skill (which i can totally understand) but by their unwillingness to learn.

Here is what I think people should do:
→ new encounter → ask people about it or read about it → come with my character that I am most familiar with and has the best equipment (not talking about full ascended, I am talking about best equipment from all the characters i have) → ask again, pay attention to everything and try my best

Here is what I most of the time see:
→ new encounter → say nothing, ask noone, just play it → use the character with the lowest level/gear to level him (even though you get no exp at all at this event) → play completely for myself → someone right next to me in downstate? I don’t care. killing that champ that is almost at the gate? no I already did enough damage to get loot → be completely overwhelmed with the chain stage because I didn’t ask anyone what to do → fail, learn nothing out of it → receive loot.

And this is a huge problem and it gets even worse that people try to defend those players.

I sometimes call out the people who are abusive in chat. I never publicly call out someone who isn’t particularly skilled in play.

I can fully understand the people who are abusive in chat.
Grinding 24/7 would also make me a very agressive person.

Actually, I think most of the Community is really friendly, they are just not as loud a the Flamers.

It really doesn’t matter why people are failing. Nobody should be abused and talked down to like what I’ve been seeing.

Plus, it doesn’t just effect people who aren’t caring about the fight, it also brings down the whole mood of the map. It just makes for a bad experience and more people will turn mapchat off and not know how to do anything.

Just be constructive and go through the fight strategies. It definitely helps to point people in the direction of the guides. You may think nobody looks, but people do.

kokiman.2364:

I sometimes call those people out. I do that because I am frustrated not only by their lack of skill (which i can totally understand) but by their unwillingness to learn.

Here is what I think people should do:
-> new encounter -> ask people about it or read about it -> come with my character that I am most familiar with and has the best equipment (not talking about full ascended, I am talking about best equipment from all the characters i have) -> ask again, pay attention to everything and try my best

Here is what I most of the time see:
-> new encounter -> say nothing, ask noone, just play it -> use the character with the lowest level/gear to level him (even though you get no exp at all at this event) -> play completely for myselkittenomeone right next to me in downstate? I don’t care. killing that champ that is almost at the gate? no I already did enough damage to get loot -> be completely overwhelmed with the chain stage because I didn’t ask anyone what to do -> fail, learn nothing out of it -> receive loot.

And this is a huge problem and it gets even worse that people try to defend those players.

- Can you blame players that this event is a level 34 event instead of a level 80 event??
- Can you blame players that a champ equals a lootbox?
- Can you blame players that you need a succesfull event to get the achievements?
- Can you blame players that they still get decent loot upon fail?

Do not call other players out while it is clear that Arenanet wanted it to be this way, and in my personal opinion it is good this way as well. If you want to discuss the decissions that Anet makes in designing these things, sure! But don’t put the blame on other players or flame them. Yes then I defend them. They play the game as intended by the makers!

lukeNIN.2901:

Since this new living story started once marionette is up and someone dies and no one breaks the chains, why is it that somehow everyone is being called a noob, maybe there are noobs that don’t know what they are doing and need help, but, when someone with 2k AP calls a 15k AP person a noob, it just gets me really angry, who made them god of the game, i could one day go into a dungeon with someone with 10k AP and they keep dying (i myself having 4,515 AP) i would not start calling them names etc. just because they dont know a path, I for one would like people to stop being arrogant and start helping other instead of slagging them off all the time.

Rant over…….

Thanks for Listening

People are mean, and AP means nothing. Don’t worry about it.

I think there’s too much emphasis on finishing the event.

It’s not like the reward is that good. If you really want the sprocket node, just do the daily 11 times.

And if you want the achievement point… suck to be an achievement junky.

Vayne.8563:

I sometimes call out the people who are abusive in chat. I never publicly call out someone who isn’t particularly skilled in play.

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I have called people on being abusive in chat- not just this event.
I have never called someone out for failing, being new or not knowing an encounter.

We just had an amazing Marionette- not because we succeed – we failed on the last 2 chains.
It was amazing because we were grossly undermanned and we had mostly under leveled people and people who have never done the event before.

What made it amazing was that one player asked 10 minutes before hand if anyone was new- and when it turned out that almost everyone was- explained everything very clearly.

Those of us who had done the Marionette before pooled all their knowledge for the new ones and kept up the encouragement and tips throughout the whole fight.

Reminding before each champ the particular strategy- reinforcing lanes etc.

Morale was amazing and it was awesome to see new and under leveled people sever their chains and go whoop- the advice was really helpful.

It was one of the nicest Marionette fights I have been at- in the end they all could not wait to go again.

So yeah
don’t be mean to others.

The bottom line for me is that I see no reason or benefit from raging, ranting, insulting, and criticizing others after the event fails. If you need to rant, yell at your computer not the people playing the game. If the event fails, it fails. Move on.

It is an open world event and ultimately (whether it is a good thing or not) anyone can play as want. No one has the right to insist that other players do what they tell them to do.

I would most certainly like to win more than we do on this event. I see players not doing the right thing to win the event all the time. In my mind I just think, “Oh well. This is just a game.” And my blood pressure is better for it.

What really makes me laugh, is that once when I went inside to fight one of the wardens, one of the players who was raging the loudest about the event failing afterward, was the first one on our platform to die and within just a few seconds of being in there. The other four of us on the platform killed the champ and the core. Our chain was severed no thanks to this guy. When the event failed with only three chains severed, he was the one calling people “noobs” and saying that people didn’t know what they were doing. He also said that “Me and my lane severed our chain. If others would play this thing right they would have too.”

I couldn’t resist, so I called him out for dying seconds into our warden fight and him not actually contributing the severing of our chain. I felt a little bad when map/say chat started mocking him relentlessly, but I haven’t seen him saying a thing since. LOL

Also, I would like to say that I appreciate commanders trying to coordinate things in the lanes, but just because you have enough gold to buy a blue dorito, doesn’t mean that you are necessarily qualified to tell anyone what to do. If you have one, be organized, constructive and helpful. If you can’t do that, turn the dorito off. The dorito isn’t license to mock and give orders to people who don’t have to listen to anything you say.

This is a multiplayer games. Like in real life there are people who actively trying to help, other can become frustrated when the events fail even if they die good, other are simply mean or troll, while the majority just stay quiet.

Nobody is right or wrong in this. People we did the Marionette for a week now have the right to be frustrated when people are using their character level 35 for questing in the map while waiting for the marionette. This even can be failed with too much low level and this is not fair for those who are waiting 30min with their level 80 to make sure that the event succeed. But on the other way its a game, why not play instead of waiting?

Its also fair for people to be frustrated by people who don’t know how the event work. Its been a week now and plenty of good guide can explain every part of the fight to make sure everybody can do it. But on the other hand if i can only play in the week end, then I never heard about this event before. Some people just want to play the game, not search on the internet to understand stuff before doing it, to actually enjoy the game.

A lot people still don’t know how to event work or still don’t know how each champion work yet. If a lane fail, explain who to fight it for next time. Before the event, explain the champion to everyone so they have at least an idea, talk about the server VOIP so people can go there to receive more information and talk about the guide on dulfy. If everybody take time to explain before and during the event, then more people will know the mechanics.

Education would be the cure for not knowing how to do X.
Of course, there’s other factors at work here then mere knowledge. Communication, possible language barriers (EU player here!) etc etc etc. It’s not too common, but sometimes I’ve spotted new players (max. 2-4) triggering either Jormag or Shatterer, possibly thinking they can beat X World Bosses with those numbers. The result is always failure, and usually when Y Commander shows up with his/her train the timer is too far gone and the name-calling begins.

I’d say that calling someone an Y can never be justified on those conditions, but I can understand some players frustration if they’ve little time to play and really want to do X World Boss, only to find a few new players “messing around” and have quite successfully doomed any chances of making the event succeed. Of course, this is just a game, but when people get/are stressed/pressured/cornered they sometimes do irrational things.