Why did you deviate so much from GW1?

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Posted by: Space Cow.2431

Space Cow.2431

I am disgusted with the announcement of a new tier of armor, to be honest. I quit WoW because I got tired of re-gearing.

You talk about this game not being a grind, but it so clearly is. It is a complete and utter grind.

In GW1 in its earliest stage if you wanted a perfect set of armor and a weapon you could get it in a week. I’m talking a week of playing just a couple hours a day. I’m talking no more than a month into the lifetime of the game. It got much easier over time.

It had OPTIONAL grinds, sure. For skins, mostly. Good looking armor and weapons.

And it worked fine, because the fun in the game was in discovering interesting builds and class combinations. Respeccing was COMPLETELY free, all you had to do was go to an outpost.

I’m grateful and impressed with all the base content provided in GW2 and that you improved in many areas surrounding the brunt of the game, but you left that very pulp lacking. The skill system is so restrictive it kills half the soul of the game right then and there. Kudos for trying something new with the weapons, though.

Gold sinks everywhere. For the most menial tasks. Harvesting mats. Map traveling. Death costs money over waypoints AND repairs, and believe me in a game where clearing content can be summarized in throwing corpses at a dungeon that kind of method gets old real fast.

From day one I looked at your gem store and saw what was wrong right there. Repair canisters? Merchant access and bank access where you pay for a single use? You KNEW your game was shoving inconvenience after inconvenience at the players, and you were hoping to capitalize on that.

I understand you wanted to make money, but this is the wrong way to do it. Here, let me help.

First off, allow me to teach you a fundamental rule of player retention. If you want me to put money in microtransactions the first step is making sure I feel comfortable doing so. Myself and a number of other cheapskates will not give you extra cash unless we’re certain we want to stick around for a while. If the drive instilled upon me is to FIX something wrong with core mechanics of the game, then I will go play another game instead.

Many times I brought up the store and wondered where are the armor skins. I mean you have some up there. Very few, though. Get more. Make them cheap. Heck, look at your GW1 store. You pay 5€ you get a permanent skin that you can wear whenever you want. I would buy that. That’s 5€ from me you could have had, and I assure you many others would jump on that.

During the development stage of GW2 I had nothing but high hopes for this game, but the more time I spend it the more I feel like I wasted my energy for no good reason. Your game is not bad, but I’m insulted by the entire marketing campaign and your manifesto in which you flat-out lied to me.

You promised the MMO that would tempt people not normally into MMOs yet this doesn’t feel any better than my time in WoW. I go to college and have a part-time job, that leaves me little time to play and a poor schedule to do it. What that means is that I have a hard time running dungeons and thus – gearing up. I can’t get any gold, either. If I get 1GP in a day that’s a lot for me. Now, this is something I can live with, provided that I have the certainty that when I finally save up enough or grind enough, the equipment I have is sufficient and will remain that way for the rest of the game.

And now, a gear treadmill in the horizon.

It’s painful, honestly. It’s painful because I know we are past the point where it can be fixed. This is a feature that’s in the game and regardless of how much negative feedback you get for it, it’s going through. Heck, I’m sure many people will be perfectly fine with it. Gear progression is the norm, they don’t mind.

Yeah, your game isn’t bad. But it’s not the game I was told I was purchasing.

It sucks being just another drop in the ocean.

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Posted by: Regizer.1763

Regizer.1763

Well to be fair GW2 is a completely different game from GW1.

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Posted by: Aaron.4807

Aaron.4807

Just Another MMO. Move along folks, nothing to see here.

Wrekks/Wrekts

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Posted by: Space Cow.2431

Space Cow.2431

Well to be fair GW2 is a completely different game from GW1.

I probably should’ve left GW1 out of this. It will just get people to focus on this fact instead of the rest of the criticism.

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Posted by: Paul.4081

Paul.4081

You had me at GW1

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Posted by: Rukia.4802

Rukia.4802

ANet have new staff, good PR that lies a lot and tells the devs what to say (then does a complete 180 on what they said would happen) to make more money. They aren’t the ANet we knew during GW1.

“I find this rain quite pleasant, it feels as though raindrops are blessing our victory”

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Posted by: Raine.1394

Raine.1394

A well-reasoned, thoughtful post. Just wanted to agree before the thread is locked for threatening to derail…whatever that is.

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Posted by: Space Cow.2431

Space Cow.2431

Thanks for the positive feedback, I honestly did not expect it.

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Posted by: Ostra.3927

Ostra.3927

Great post Space Cow. Sadly, Arena Net has very publicly made their point on the customers they want.

They want the content locusts from WoW, they dont want to dedicated MMO gamers that are sick of the same old thing from MMOs. They dont want the people that will log in every day to explore the scenery or go looking ford dynamic events they may not have seen. They dont want the WvW players that just want to have fun.

They want the grind heads, the loot monkeys, the “dedicated” gamers that already left GW2 for MoP and are only here until the next shiny comes along.

Basicly… they dont want players… they want Skritt.

Please get your priorities straight Anet.
Stat increase = gear grind.
Gear grind = no money from me ever again.

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Posted by: Paul.4081

Paul.4081

Ostra I think Anet are confused, selling town clothes rubbish when so many GW1 players would pay cash for clothes that overset our armour????

NCSoft are aiming in the wrong direction

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Posted by: Eandur.8109

Eandur.8109

A well-reasoned, thoughtful post. Just wanted to agree before the thread is locked for threatening to derail…whatever that is.

I just wanted to agree before it is too late as well.

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Posted by: Merthax.5172

Merthax.5172

Agreed with OP.

The question is…what should those of us who enjoyed GW1 play now? Are there any comparable games out now? GW2 is not a true sequel to GW1.

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Posted by: Raf.1078

Raf.1078

GW1 pretty much sucked, IMO. This is far better.

PF/ GOAT on Tarnished Coast (Semi-Retired)
Raf Longshanks-80 Norn Guardian / 9 more alts of various lvls / Charter Member Altaholics Anon

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Posted by: Plague.5329

Plague.5329

Marketing, I imagine. GW1 was kind of a budget title with a small focus, so it could afford to try to be niche. That paid off, as people who hated MMOs loved GW1, as it circumvented all the genre problems.

GW2’s development took such a large amount of time and money I imagine they felt like they couldn’t make it back without casting a very large net. Hence the way the game was designed for the betas and launch, which most GW1 players will recognize as big steps backwards. I guess their logic now is that they brought in as many GW1 players as they ever will, and it’s time to screw the pooch and just bank on WoW players.

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Posted by: trlent.9607

trlent.9607

Disagree with OP for this gamestyle. Other mmos are/were a money sink and grind, this game you can really pay once and play at anytime without paying another dime. I had all gw1 proph and all 3 xpacs, loved it all and love this game too. I enjoy having something new to do and not be bored all of the time. With no sub can also stop and quit and come back at any time and not feel chained to the sub fee. I dont know about you but from all of my alts I have got so many black lion keys I have like 27 repair canisters not to mention like 10 of every type of boost in the bank. It really doesnt take that long to farm gold and to get anything else you really desire on the TP for gems with gold. I bought all character slots to have one of every class and 2 bank tabs all with farmed gold and didnt pay a dime. The game is fine, paying real money for gems is either to say thanks for the great game at this point or to get items faster without farming.

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Posted by: LeoXearo.3641

LeoXearo.3641

Maybe because Gw1 wasn’t an MMO and this game is?

GW1 sucked.

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Posted by: Gnatoay.7581

Gnatoay.7581

gw1 is an mmo a really good 1 but this, erm how is it different from wow

Day in, Day out; Grinding

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Posted by: stayBlind.7849

stayBlind.7849

I saw this coming as soon as I logged into GW2 (during pre-order beta) and saw that items now had built in stats.

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Posted by: stayBlind.7849

stayBlind.7849

Maybe because Gw1 wasn’t an MMO and this game is?

GW1 sucked.

GW1 was better than you could even imagine.

I’m glad that GW2 suits your boring MMO mechanic needs though; have fun.

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Posted by: deSade.9437

deSade.9437

They’re standing, defiant, in WoW’s territory. At least you have to admit they’re bold.
GW1 was a niche, they want to expand. That’s it. Good luck to them. Not sure about the end… not sure if I like it… We’ll see.

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Posted by: Creeper.9360

Creeper.9360

I’ve enjoyed quite a few things in GW2. But I have to say I find GW1 a superior game.

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Posted by: Space Cow.2431

Space Cow.2431

GW1 sucked.

GW1 pretty much sucked, IMO. This is far better.

You have horrible taste. But hey, you’re pleased with the sequel and I’m not. Guess that puts you in a better position.

They’re standing, defiant, in WoW’s territory. At least you have to admit they’re bold.
GW1 was a niche, they want to expand.

The sad part is that we all know they’re never going to get more than a few scraps of the WoW population. Even sadder, catering to that small percentage will still probably yield better results than staying true to the customers they had in the previous game.

I guess we’re just that small of a community.

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Posted by: deSade.9437

deSade.9437

They’re standing, defiant, in WoW’s territory. At least you have to admit they’re bold.
GW1 was a niche, they want to expand.

The sad part is that we all know they’re never going to get more than a few scraps of the WoW population. Even sadder, catering to that small percentage will still probably yield better results than staying true to the customers they had in the previous game.

I guess we’re just that small of a community.

Amen, frater. It hurts. But I’ve been a “niche” type of person for my whole life… I’m forced to admit they have to cater to the majority of players and this experimentation might yield some good results for that part.
The stupid thing is that I’m an hardcore player too… I guess I’ll just start chasing that carrot, heh? Look, it’s over there. Not.