Guild Wars 2

Guy scams me, and he blocked me after he scammed me. So I reported him, I also added him to my Contacts list to see Anet removed him from the game. But he’s happily playing and free to scam still?

I don’t think they even removed the item and gold that this person scammed me for?

EDIT:

In addition to this, yes I like to cry and complain about big losses in game, but it is pretty neat to hear what others have to say, good or bad. A conversation gets started and everyone in the community talks!!!

Also I contribute to Anet, paying my actual money for Gems and purchasing their amazing and fun content on the Gem Store!!! I will continue playing GW2 and purchasing more Gems soon! I just want better and more content to fiddle around with!

I wish there was a trading system, even if it’s limited to XX amount of items per day.

I also wish Anet would give better Customer Service, possibly with an in-game representative to talk to players about any issues in game. It’d be cool if they would at least let you know if they resolved your issue and how they resolved it.

I want a new Gem Store item, It can be called the Sandwich Cannon. Basically you whip out a Cannon and can fire a Ginormous Sandwich at an ally and knock them back and down giving them a food buff and after they receive the buff they are immune to cannons for 5 hours

Caveat emptor

It’s near impossible for Anet to know he “scammed” you, and NO, your word is not good enough. So stop crying, and learn from your mistakes.

How do you even scam in a game with no p2p trading system.. did he promise to do something in exchange for you mailing him an item or coin?

How can somebody scam in guild wars 2? There is no direct trade.

Going to take a wild guess, and assume you were scammed by “mail trading” right?

If so, Anet doesn’t support it. You are doing so at your own risk. They want you to use their trading post, thus why they have never implemented a player to player trading system. The mail system being used for trading is unsupported, so don’t expect Anet to do anything.

Best you can do is ignore them back, and think twice about who you trade with in the future. You can report them for scamming, making a support ticket if you want, but there is no guarantee that anything will be done about it, because you are using an unsupported method to trade.

Never pay in advance or send the coin first. You won’t get “scammed”.

It sucks but this is your fault :P

Gizmo.9178:

It sucks but this is your fault :P

It’s not his fault (don’t blame the victim), but it was nonetheless a very stupid thing to do.

In Asheron’s call before their was a trading system you had to stand far apart, drop your item on the ground and you both would run past each other to the item.

Lol, those were the days.

Actually I remember one guy having an intressting point at this “issue”. He said, scamming, thieving or what ever you want to call it, could actually be a role you take on as a player. After all you´re playing RPG fantasy game so I think the point is valid and the players who scam or thiev dont really brake any rules since they are after all using the “mechanics” that are at our disposal.

Panicore.9035:

Actually I remember one guy having an intressting point at this “issue”. He said, scamming, thieving or what ever you want to call it, could actually be a role you take on as a player. After all you´re playing RPG fantasy game so I think the point is valid and the players who scam or thiev dont really brake any rules since they are after all using the “mechanics” that are at our disposal.

Negative. If you role play a theif then you ‘pretend’ to steal. If you are actually misleading players into sending you items through the mail with the promise to send them something in return you ARE a theif, you are not role playing one.

CryxTryx.9208:

Panicore.9035:

Actually I remember one guy having an intressting point at this “issue”. He said, scamming, thieving or what ever you want to call it, could actually be a role you take on as a player. After all you´re playing RPG fantasy game so I think the point is valid and the players who scam or thiev dont really brake any rules since they are after all using the “mechanics” that are at our disposal.

Negative. If you role play a theif then you ‘pretend’ to steal. If you are actually misleading players into sending you items through the mail with the promise to send them something in return you ARE a theif, you are not role playing one.

Dont really know how to respond to this without making it more complicated then it really is. If you steal you´re a thief no matter what. In real life there is legislation to stop it. In GW2 there are no formal rules afaik that tell you not to steal. If you can take advantage over the system that ArenaNet has given us to steal items from people I dont see that as something illegal, and yea you´re a thief in an RPG game. Thats what initially pointed out.

Anet actually likes this. It helps them keep their iron grip on trade and money sinks. You are doing a great service to them by posting it to help discourage it.

When in Rome, do as the Romans do. Or in this case the Vandals.

Panicore.9035:

CryxTryx.9208:

Panicore.9035:

Actually I remember one guy having an intressting point at this “issue”. He said, scamming, thieving or what ever you want to call it, could actually be a role you take on as a player. After all you´re playing RPG fantasy game so I think the point is valid and the players who scam or thiev dont really brake any rules since they are after all using the “mechanics” that are at our disposal.

Negative. If you role play a theif then you ‘pretend’ to steal. If you are actually misleading players into sending you items through the mail with the promise to send them something in return you ARE a theif, you are not role playing one.

Dont really know how to respond to this without making it more complicated then it really is. If you steal you´re a thief no matter what. In real life there is legislation to stop it. In GW2 there are no formal rules afaik that tell you not to steal. If you can take advantage over the system that ArenaNet has given us to steal items from people I dont see that as something illegal, and yea you´re a thief in an RPG game. Thats what initially pointed out.

There is no specific legislation yet because the law has not kept up with technology in this regard.

There is a big difference sitting down in a paper and pencil RPG and ‘Stealing’ something from your friend that doesn’t really exist or have any intrisic value and stealing in Guild Wars 2.

In Guild Wars to my items and gold can be given a value in real currency.

Not to mention it is only role playing if both parites agree. Pretending to trade with me via in game mail and then not following through on your part of the bargin and calling it role playing is a weak attempt at justiying your actions.

There may not be legislation against, but there are moral implications. Maybe not for you, but certainly for me. Stealing is stealing and you are not fooling anyone except possiby yourself calling it anything else just because it occurs in a virtual enviroment.

But what ANet could do is implement the exchange system which worked so well in the original Guild Wars. This system required of players to both confirm their exchanged/received items before the actual exchange was done. It worked flawlessly with exactly zero scam potential except in cases where players were extremely incautious.

Why they don’t do it in GW2 I can only guess but if I had to place my bet its simply because ANet doesn’t want people to circumvent trading post taxes etc.

Panicore.9035:

Actually I remember one guy having an intressting point at this “issue”. He said, scamming, thieving or what ever you want to call it, could actually be a role you take on as a player. After all you´re playing RPG fantasy game so I think the point is valid and the players who scam or thiev dont really brake any rules since they are after all using the “mechanics” that are at our disposal.

Only problem with this theory is that in many “fantasy” settings, thieves get a hand removed as punishment for their crime. If you support thieving as a play-style to emulate a genre, then you should also support the consequence. In this case that would mean no more two handed weapons and no more off hand weapon. Sounds like justice to me.

I’m guessing the guy is still around, but soon after release there was a person hopping between servers scamming people through mail trading until he hit 100g. He then bought a commander pin to appear more trustworthy and continued the scamming. As far as I know, he wasn’t banned even after his name was publicized on other forums and was reported countless times ingame. I wouldn’t be surprised if he scammed all the way to a legendary or two :/

I’m not sure if I recall correctly, but I believe Arenanet said something along the lines of this: If you want to trade by mail, you do it at your own risk. They’re not liable for you choosing to avoid the scam-free TP.

If you insist on mail-trading, always request that they send their portion first. No half-sies, no bullkittys. I’d avoid it altogether though. The fees on the TP are not that bad unless you’re selling big ticket items, which reek of scam at this point in the game.

CryxTryx.9208:

Panicore.9035:

CryxTryx.9208:

Panicore.9035:

Actually I remember one guy having an intressting point at this “issue”. He said, scamming, thieving or what ever you want to call it, could actually be a role you take on as a player. After all you´re playing RPG fantasy game so I think the point is valid and the players who scam or thiev dont really brake any rules since they are after all using the “mechanics” that are at our disposal.

Negative. If you role play a theif then you ‘pretend’ to steal. If you are actually misleading players into sending you items through the mail with the promise to send them something in return you ARE a theif, you are not role playing one.

Dont really know how to respond to this without making it more complicated then it really is. If you steal you´re a thief no matter what. In real life there is legislation to stop it. In GW2 there are no formal rules afaik that tell you not to steal. If you can take advantage over the system that ArenaNet has given us to steal items from people I dont see that as something illegal, and yea you´re a thief in an RPG game. Thats what initially pointed out.

There is no specific legislation yet because the law has not kept up with technology in this regard.

There is a big difference sitting down in a paper and pencil RPG and ‘Stealing’ something from your friend that doesn’t really exist or have any intrisic value and stealing in Guild Wars 2.

In Guild Wars to my items and gold can be given a value in real currency.

Not to mention it is only role playing if both parites agree. Pretending to trade with me via in game mail and then not following through on your part of the bargin and calling it role playing is a weak attempt at justiying your actions.

There may not be legislation against, but there are moral implications. Maybe not for you, but certainly for me. Stealing is stealing and you are not fooling anyone except possiby yourself calling it anything else just because it occurs in a virtual enviroment.

I pretty much agree with you. Stealing is being irrational and I dont do it myself because I think its morally wrong. I however dont really agree with how you relate the actions you take in a videogame, especially not a ROLE PLAYING GAME to real life. To me thieving without exploiting the game mechanics is a valid way to be a thief if you so wish.

Panicore.9035:

CryxTryx.9208:

Panicore.9035:

Actually I remember one guy having an intressting point at this “issue”. He said, scamming, thieving or what ever you want to call it, could actually be a role you take on as a player. After all you´re playing RPG fantasy game so I think the point is valid and the players who scam or thiev dont really brake any rules since they are after all using the “mechanics” that are at our disposal.

Negative. If you role play a theif then you ‘pretend’ to steal. If you are actually misleading players into sending you items through the mail with the promise to send them something in return you ARE a theif, you are not role playing one.

Dont really know how to respond to this without making it more complicated then it really is. If you steal you´re a thief no matter what. In real life there is legislation to stop it. In GW2 there are no formal rules afaik that tell you not to steal. If you can take advantage over the system that ArenaNet has given us to steal items from people I dont see that as something illegal, and yea you´re a thief in an RPG game. Thats what initially pointed out.

“While playing Guild Wars 2, you must respect the rights of others and their rights to play and enjoy the Game. To this end, you may not defraud, harass, threaten, embarrass or cause distress and/or unwanted attention to other players.”

I think that covers it pretty well.

However; the only chance I see for the OP to get his items back is if he can provide detailed screenshots where both players agree to the trade. But I also think Anet generally doesn’t support mail-trading, so he/she’ll just have to live with the loss. Mail-trading is always risky, unless you know the other person very well.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Only problem with this theory is that in many “fantasy” settings, thieves get a hand removed as punishment for their crime. If you support thieving as a play-style to emulate a genre, then you should also support the consequence. In this case that would mean no more two handed weapons and no more off hand weapon. Sounds like justice to me.

xD

CryxTryx.9208:

There is no specific legislation yet because the law has not kept up with technology in this regard.

Technically it isn’t stealing off you, because everything in game is the intellectual property of Anet.

Also, because Anet have told players that it is at their risk that they trade in that fashion, you wouldn’t have a leg to stand on if you bought the gold with Gems.

AntiGw.9367:

Gizmo.9178:

It sucks but this is your fault :P

It’s not his fault (don’t blame the victim), but it was nonetheless a very stupid thing to do.

Actually it is his fault. He proceeded to trade with someone whom he did not trust via in-game mail, a system that Arenanet specifically states is not supported if you get scammed.

If it makes any sense to you, the TP tax is essentially a security payment to ensure your goods aren’t lost.

There is a player on Tarnished Coast that trades goods almost every single day in LA map chat … over many months this player has developed a rock solid reputation as a straight shooter and honest trader. Although I have never traded with this person, some of my guildies have, and they have nothing negative to say. And some of these transactions were for hundreds of gold in exchange for unique weapons.

Basically, if you are going to “barter” with someone 1 on 1, then you need to deal with people like the one I just described. Otherwise you have no one to blame but yourself if you get scammed.

I’m pretty sure the OP did NOT do his homework before dealing with whoever took his gold and ripped him off. Oh well, ZERO sympathy from me. None. In fact, it may have been a good object lesson for the OP, not only for this game, but for life in general.

Ision.3207:

There is a player on Tarnished Coast that trades goods almost every single day in LA map chat … over many months this player has developed a rock solid reputation as a straight shooter and honest trader. Although I have never traded with this person, some of my guildies have, and they have nothing negative to say. And some of these transactions were for hundreds of gold in exchange for unique weapons.

Basically, if you are going to “barter” with someone 1 on 1, then you need to deal with people like the one I just described. Otherwise you have no one to blame but yourself if you get scammed.

I’m pretty sure the OP did NOT do his homework before dealing with whoever took his gold and ripped him off. Oh well, ZERO sympathy from me. None. In fact, it may have been a good object lesson for the OP, not only for this game, but for life in general.

I just want to add that even if someone has a good reputation, it does not mean that there is a 0% chance that they will scam you. Another life lesson

There is always a risk.

You can not be scammed playing this game as intended.

If you want to use the mail system to trade its at your own risk just like it would be if you had condomless sex with a stranger. It’s not something you had to do nor were you encouraged to do so by any trustworthy source so the consequences are your own fault.

Unfortunately this is your fault. As per the rules and guidelines for the game, all mail transactions are gifts and gifts alone. The only valid form of trading in this game is the TP. If this player somehow scammed you through the TP then that is indeed a problem, but if you gifted him money/items and he didn’t gift you anything back that is not a valid complaint.

holodoc.5748:

But what ANet could do is implement the exchange system which worked so well in the original Guild Wars. This system required of players to both confirm their exchanged/received items before the actual exchange was done. It worked flawlessly with exactly zero scam potential except in cases where players were extremely incautious.

Why they don’t do it in GW2 I can only guess but if I had to place my bet its simply because ANet doesn’t want people to circumvent trading post taxes etc.

There were myriad scams in the original guild wars. That’s why Anet went away from player to player trading. Look it up. Scams were rampant.

Gizmo.9178:

I just want to add that even if someone has a good reputation, it does not mean that there is a 0% chance that they will scam you. Another life lesson

There is always a risk.

And knowing is half the battle!

The TP cost is sales insurance. Buying big things without insurance is not wise.

I’m sorry but this is entirely your OWN fault learn from your mistake !
use the trading post and no one will be able to scam you PERIOD !

In trying to circumvent the TP taxes and save some measly silver coins you exposed yourself and lost more than it would’ve cost you to use the trading post, learn your lesson !

I only do mail trades with guildmates and even than only for things like food and things that are not to valuable, no reason to tempt them to commit a scam by trading them a high value commodity.

holodoc.5748:

But what ANet could do is implement the exchange system which worked so well in the original Guild Wars. This system required of players to both confirm their exchanged/received items before the actual exchange was done. It worked flawlessly with exactly zero scam potential except in cases where players were extremely incautious.

Why they don’t do it in GW2 I can only guess but if I had to place my bet its simply because ANet doesn’t want people to circumvent trading post taxes etc.

Then it interferes with one of ANETS IGM sinks, so, it won’t happen and I support the use of the TP.

Congratulations, you’ve learned an important lesson and it didn’t cost you real money!

You know-I agree, The op made a mistake and it cost him. He made a faulty choice. What I don’t agree with is that Anet ENCOURAGES such scamming. I know it’s not supported, and he does not deserve his stuff back. But People Should be Banned for doing what The Scammer did. Perma Banned even. Its EXPLOITING Players, which is a form of exploiting. What I find most disgusting is everyone here seems to be “defending” the scammer. Like “Well, Its ok that he screwed you over-cause Unless you read the forums you don’t know that Mail is not for trading. He’s doing gods work he is”. Why defend a theif? Thats like locking the Woman who saw a murder in jail, but leaving the murder to kill again. Its sick-Anet should at least Put a handle on doing things like that. Op does not deserve his stuff back, but the player deserves a perma ban-Forever and a Day!

You guys think you got scammed bad?

http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2010/09/11/eve-online-player-steals-45-000-worth-of-isk-in-massive-investm/

http://www.gameskinny.com/1lnjo/massive-eve-corporation-theft-sets-new-record

Try eve online and see how bad scamming is in that game.

AntiGw.9367:

Gizmo.9178:

It sucks but this is your fault :P

It’s not his fault (don’t blame the victim), but it was nonetheless a very stupid thing to do.

it is indeed his / hers fault for not using the trading post.

Archon.6481:

You guys think you got scammed bad?

http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2010/09/11/eve-online-player-steals-45-000-worth-of-isk-in-massive-investm/

http://www.gameskinny.com/1lnjo/massive-eve-corporation-theft-sets-new-record

Try eve online and see how bad scamming is in that game.

From what I’ve heard, that’s their main form of PvP.

tolunart.2095:

Archon.6481:

You guys think you got scammed bad?

http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2010/09/11/eve-online-player-steals-45-000-worth-of-isk-in-massive-investm/

http://www.gameskinny.com/1lnjo/massive-eve-corporation-theft-sets-new-record

Try eve online and see how bad scamming is in that game.

From what I’ve heard, that’s their main form of PvP.

Not sure if you’re beig sarcastic or not, but you heard wrong.

Archon.6481:

tolunart.2095:

Archon.6481:

You guys think you got scammed bad?

http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2010/09/11/eve-online-player-steals-45-000-worth-of-isk-in-massive-investm/

http://www.gameskinny.com/1lnjo/massive-eve-corporation-theft-sets-new-record

Try eve online and see how bad scamming is in that game.

From what I’ve heard, that’s their main form of PvP.

Not sure if you’re beig sarcastic or not, but you heard wrong.

Only half. I wouldn’t play EVE if they paid ME to log in.

tolunart.2095:

Archon.6481:

tolunart.2095:

Archon.6481:

You guys think you got scammed bad?

http://i.massively.joystiq.com/2010/09/11/eve-online-player-steals-45-000-worth-of-isk-in-massive-investm/

http://www.gameskinny.com/1lnjo/massive-eve-corporation-theft-sets-new-record

Try eve online and see how bad scamming is in that game.

From what I’ve heard, that’s their main form of PvP.

Not sure if you’re beig sarcastic or not, but you heard wrong.

Only half. I wouldn’t play EVE if they paid ME to log in.

It’s not a bad game. Probably just not your cup of tea.

Regardless my point still stands that scamming in this game is not that bad.

frostflare.6390:

You know-I agree, The op made a mistake and it cost him. He made a faulty choice. What I don’t agree with is that Anet ENCOURAGES such scamming. I know it’s not supported, and he does not deserve his stuff back. But People Should be Banned for doing what The Scammer did. Perma Banned even. Its EXPLOITING Players, which is a form of exploiting. What I find most disgusting is everyone here seems to be “defending” the scammer. Like “Well, Its ok that he screwed you over-cause Unless you read the forums you don’t know that Mail is not for trading. He’s doing gods work he is”. Why defend a theif? Thats like locking the Woman who saw a murder in jail, but leaving the murder to kill again. Its sick-Anet should at least Put a handle on doing things like that. Op does not deserve his stuff back, but the player deserves a perma ban-Forever and a Day!

The problem with is is the number of service tickets that would be generated or have to be dealt with. The amount of investigation that would have to be done. It’s just not as simply as saying, they should ban this guy.

Suppose a group of guys hate another guy and all get together and say he scammed them. Of course, Anet would have to investigate it, even if it wasn’t true. And stuff like that happens all the time…false reports and all.

Anet doesn’t have the customer support staff to investigate in detail every single scam. And then where do you draw the line. What about people who invite you to do a dungeon, kick you at the last boss and let a guildie in to get credit for the run. That’s a form of scamming too. Those people should be banned.

Once you open this particular pandora’s box, you need to hire a whole lot more support staff. And it slows down everyone else’s support.

Anyone who trusts someone to send them something after they sent them gold is asking for trouble. I don’t blame the OP, and I do blame the con man…but I don’t believe Anet should take a hand in what follows, simply because it would affect customer service drastically.

Archon.6481:

It’s not a bad game. Probably just not your cup of tea.

Regardless my point still stands that scamming in this game is not that bad.

I’m sure… not into PvP in general, and playing the MMO stock market may be a necessary evil for making a buck, but frankly it bores me to tears. From what I have heard that’s the essence of EVE. I’m sure many people enjoy it, but not me… and I wouldn’t go to the forums and demand they turn it into the kind of game I like to play, either…

Anyway, no opinion on the scams thing. I sold Dusk a while back, around 600 gold so the TP fees were like 90 gold… took two weeks just to save up the listing fee. But I never considered standing around LA spamming “Dusk for Sale! 575 Gold and it’s yours!” just to save the 15% tax.

Why do you even try to trade with mail in this game ? It’s your fault to be scammed like that if you trade like this. You are gambling all your money/item just to profit some more golds.
Btw, if arenanet has chat and mail logs, they can see if you are right or not.
P2P trade system must be added asap. But for now use tp, and don’t be scammed.

tolunart.2095:

Archon.6481:

It’s not a bad game. Probably just not your cup of tea.

Regardless my point still stands that scamming in this game is not that bad.

I’m sure… not into PvP in general, and playing the MMO stock market may be a necessary evil for making a buck, but frankly it bores me to tears. From what I have heard that’s the essence of EVE. I’m sure many people enjoy it, but not me… and I wouldn’t go to the forums and demand they turn it into the kind of game I like to play, either…

Anyway, no opinion on the scams thing. I sold Dusk a while back, around 600 gold so the TP fees were like 90 gold… took two weeks just to save up the listing fee. But I never considered standing around LA spamming “Dusk for Sale! 575 Gold and it’s yours!” just to save the 15% tax.

Scamming in eve can also happens in ways such as this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?nomobile=1&v=uGplrpWvz0I

There are many other ways to scam but the the ones ive linked so far are just the most interesting ones. Scams happen all the time using buy orders and sell orders but those function much differently in eve.

I highly doubt anyone is dumb enough to try and trade 600 gold for a precursor using a 100% insecure trading method (mail). It’s just so risky and you don’t even know how reliable this other person is.

Archon.6481:

I highly doubt anyone is dumb enough to try and trade 600 gold for a precursor using a 100% insecure trading method (mail). It’s just so risky and you don’t even know how reliable this other person is.

Yes they are. There have been at least 2 that I know of, one crying in game chat and one posting similar to the OP.

(Grabs Popcorn)

Archon.6481:

I highly doubt anyone is dumb enough to try and trade 600 gold for a precursor using a 100% insecure trading method (mail). It’s just so risky and you don’t even know how reliable this other person is.

How do you think the OP got scammed? He isn’t mad because he lost 2 silver buying a green…

You missed the point everyone is making. ANet takes no responsibility if you choose to trade outside of the TP. You did, you lost, too bad.

Embrace this experience as an important life lesson.

Yargesh.4965:

Archon.6481:

I highly doubt anyone is dumb enough to try and trade 600 gold for a precursor using a 100% insecure trading method (mail). It’s just so risky and you don’t even know how reliable this other person is.

Yes they are. There have been at least 2 that I know of, one crying in game chat and one posting similar to the OP.

Ugh. I should know better than putting faith in humanity like that.

They deserve what happened to them. It was 100% preventable.

Behellagh.1468:

You missed the point everyone is making. ANet takes no responsibility if you choose to trade outside of the TP. You did, you lost, too bad.

Embrace this experience as an important life lesson.

Don’t you mean an in-game lesson? I think a lot of people don’t base their lives off the game

Dezarys.1372:

Behellagh.1468:

You missed the point everyone is making. ANet takes no responsibility if you choose to trade outside of the TP. You did, you lost, too bad.

Embrace this experience as an important life lesson.

Don’t you mean an in-game lesson? I think a lot of people don’t base their lives off the game

The life lesson is don’t trust everyone you see.

Vayne.8563:

Suppose a group of guys hate another guy and all get together and say he scammed them. Of course, Anet would have to investigate it, even if it wasn’t true. And stuff like that happens all the time…false reports and all.

Anet doesn’t have the customer support staff to investigate in detail every single scam. And then where do you draw the line. What about people who invite you to do a dungeon, kick you at the last boss and let a guildie in to get credit for the run. That’s a form of scamming too. Those people should be banned.

The last moment kick is considered harassment by Anet. You can report it. They might not get actioned right away, but if they form a pattern it will end up being noticed.

Same with reporting a trade scam. Anet will not return the items, but if you supply a time (and/or any email) you chatted in game to help them look up in the chat logs between you (if you type it, they log it!) and again, will action repeat offenders from my understanding.

But it is up to you to report them, and you basically have to report them out of game (unless there’s some way to submit a ticket in-game that I haven’t noticed, other than the drop-menu on right click). And don’t expect one report to get them out of the game.

Also, “perma-ban” is redundant here. Bans are permanent, suspensions are temporary.