Guild Wars 2

So, here are what I have noticed after playing GW2 for 120 hours and consistent visit to reddit and this official forum.

Tyria is too peaceful. There aren’t arguments between players and there aren’t big guilds fighting against each others. After slowly learning about the system of GW2, I am shocked by how protective the system is.

• sPvP
  All players are scaled up to level 80 and equipped with the same gear in PvP instances. It feels like a sport or board game here, seriously. So fair, so boring. I like games that require player skills, like Monster Hunter. However, I dislike games that require only players skills, like DotA, LOL and CS. I prefer to be destroyed by some old players with good gears rather than having so much fairness in PvP. Low level or weakly geared players are supposed to be defeated by older players easily (even I am the low level guy here). That said, sPvP is a perfect platform for competitions or leaderboard.

• No open world PvP
  Probably the main reason why Tyria is so peaceful.

• No KS
  Another reason Tyria is so peaceful. I am having a love hate feeling with this setting. I have played enough MMORPGs to know how annoying KS can be. However, without KS, the PvE gameplay feels empty. I don’t have to find a group, I can just drop by any events and walk away anytime I like. I even saw a lot of players in the forum say they simply AFK and auto attack the world bosses. Where is the fun in that???

• No GvG
  WHY??? I am looking for something like the Band of Brothers war in EVE Online. I want big guild wars (it’s fine even I am not part of the war, I want to at least see something like this!!).

• Easy leveling
  I learnt this from my previous post, “GW2 leveling is way too fast”. Now I understand why leveling in GW2 is so fast. “It unlocks all the contents for all the players quickly, so every players can play all the contents in the game.”. That’s my conclusion from my previous post. I am actually pretty shocked by this answer. “Access to all the contents”?? Isn’t this an MMORPG? From my previous MMORPGs experience, only top ranked or top level players can access to “all the contents” in the game. Why make all players accessible to all the contents in the game? It makes GW2 feels like a Single Player RPG with multiplayer feature enabled.

• No world channel
  This is one of the features I like the most in MMORPG. This is where the arguments happened and where the guild wars started. I love watching those fights. However in GW2, world channel is not there. I guess the reason is “players will spam here and argue here, we don’t want this to affect other players”. Yeah, I can play Single Player games if I don’t want to affect by other players.

• Conclusion
  All these settings make me feel like Anet is trying their best to make the game as easy as possible for the players. They don’t want players to feel any discomforts throughout the gameplay. You can have access to all gameplay, no one can disturb you, you won’t be bullied by old players, you can play casually and still get stuffs. In short, have fun.

If I am still a hardcore player like I used to be, I have probably quit GW2. I am a semi-casual player now because of my work and study, so I don’t really mind the peacefulness in Tyria. However, it still bothers me sometime during the gameplay. GW2 is easily the most protective MMORPG I have played or even heard.

ps. I am looking forward to Guild Halls in HoT (limited guild halls to be claimed only by strong guilds??). I hope it will turn Tyria into a war zone. * evil laugh *

From the replies, I think I need to clarify my post here. I am NOT complaining. I am sharing differences I observed in GW2 compared to the older MMORPGs I played and wondering has the MMORPG market demand shifted. If I don’t like GW2, I would have left. I won’t even bother typing so many words.

lordkrall.7241:

So.. basically why isn’t Guild Wars 2 a completely different game? Have you ever thought that Guild Wars 2 was simply not for you?

This is what I was thinking as I read the OP, as well.

lordkrall.7241:

So.. basically why isn’t Guild Wars 2 a completely different game? Have you ever thought that Guild Wars 2 was simply not for you?

The last second paragraph answers this question.

RoseofGilead.8907:

lordkrall.7241:

So.. basically why isn’t Guild Wars 2 a completely different game? Have you ever thought that Guild Wars 2 was simply not for you?

This is what I was thinking as I read the OP, as well.

Same here. I know a lot of people get all up in arms where people use the argument that the game might not be ideal for someone, but in this case, I feel it really fits. Not all games are for all people.

Based on what he desires, there are games out there that meet some of his desires, if not all of them in one game. GW2; however, is not that game.

Halan.7931:

It looks like you want to play Lineage2, with PKs, clan wars, trash-talking, mob training and so on.

It’s too old, crappy graphic, and no action combat. If I want to play old MMORPG like this, I will rather go back to RO or Maple Story.

No, I don’t trash-talk. I like watching others trash-talking though.

Mob training? Grind mobs to leveling? I don’t mind it, but the exploration leveling in GW2 wins my heart.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

RoseofGilead.8907:

lordkrall.7241:

So.. basically why isn’t Guild Wars 2 a completely different game? Have you ever thought that Guild Wars 2 was simply not for you?

This is what I was thinking as I read the OP, as well.

Same here. I know a lot of people get all up in arms where people use the argument that the game might not be ideal for someone, but in this case, I feel it really fits. Not all games are for all people.

Based on what he desires, there are games out there that meet some of his desires, if not all of them in one game. GW2; however, is not that game.

Why? GW2 can easily achieve things I mentioned right? I think they are trying to accomplish those in HoT. The only thing that I mentioned that will definitely not fulfilled in HoT is open world PvP.

Katalos.5038:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

RoseofGilead.8907:

lordkrall.7241:

So.. basically why isn’t Guild Wars 2 a completely different game? Have you ever thought that Guild Wars 2 was simply not for you?

This is what I was thinking as I read the OP, as well.

Same here. I know a lot of people get all up in arms where people use the argument that the game might not be ideal for someone, but in this case, I feel it really fits. Not all games are for all people.

Based on what he desires, there are games out there that meet some of his desires, if not all of them in one game. GW2; however, is not that game.

Why? GW2 can easily achieve things I mentioned right? I think they are doing it in HoT. The only thing that I mentioned will not be fulfilled in HoT is open world PvP.

Many of the things you desire are things Anet has specifically stated they would not do. For example, Structured PvP is intended to be fought on even terms, but you desire more of the WoW style gear grind ownage. The closest you’re going to come to that is WvW, which is intentionally allowed to be imbalanced.

Open world pvp is something many of us do not want to see. Please visit the very long multitude of dueling threads for further details.

I’m not sure what KS is (don’t recognize the abbrev?), but some of us like the social aspect of just ‘dropping in to’ an event and leaving when we want. We like not having to group up to do content unless we desire to. Could we use some more challenge to the open world foes, so that world bosses and such aren’t AFK fests auto spamming 1? Sure. I won’t argue there.

GvG – this one I am hoping to see return. I don’t play it personally, but I know it would make some people happy. Perhaps with simply better implementation of guild support (pvp rosters and such) we could see it work into existing pvp somehow, but I think even that would need some additional overhauls.

Easy leveling is a design decision Anet made. It was essentially the same with GW1 after Prophecies. You could max cap in 4 hours or less in Factions (and 4 hours was being super casual). The game isn’t about grinding levels. It isn’t about grinding to cap and then raiding like other games.

Your conclusion is correct. The game is intended to be played casually. It is intended to be a friendly, welcoming, social environment. There is no penalty for taking a break and coming back. These are all intentional.

Katalos.5038:

Why? GW2 can easily achieve things I mentioned right? I think they are doing it in HoT. The only thing that I mentioned will not be fulfilled in HoT is open world PvP.

The only things from your list in your OP that are definitely being added are guild halls. I don’t see a “world chat” coming to the game. And open world pvp will likely never happen, same with kill stealing. GvG may come, but we don’t know how it’ll be implemented. I also can’t see them changing the way spvp has everyone on equal ground as far as gear goes.

I usually don’t say this sort of thing because opinions are subjective and they really can’t be bad or wrong, but all of your opinions are bad and wrong.

This is your view after only 120 hrs ive been playing for over 3k hrs and I took a break of a year so some players will be on 6k and still enjoying it gw2 is a strange place that you can enjoy all if you chose or non.

The last bit of your post is your answer its not a game to be hardcore in its a game to enjoy at your leisure.

IF! you want the best gear ect you will need to work at it a little. Or non if you want to buy it with gold / buying gems, and in turn that keeps the game going for other players.

I did notice that you didn’t put WvW maybe what your looking for is there, if your not on server that dose alot of wvw sorry! as for gvg that is also in wvw but you will need to look for it your self and find a guild on your server that dose it.

Like I said after only 120 hrs your just starting out in the game and maybe even change server a time or too b4 you find a place that fills your needs

Halan.7931:

Katalos.5038:

Mob training? Grind mobs to leveling?

From what i remember, it was possible (many years ago), to gather a giant pack of monsters without tagging them, then lead them to someone who accidentally attacks whem with AoE, they aggro at that person, he dies and loses EXP.

Yeah, I call it “luring”. It was a very important thing to learn in those old MMORPGs. I tried to do it in GW2, but I can only lure a few. The mobs either run back after a certain distance, or I die because I lured too much. LOL.

James Quall.6029:

I usually don’t say this sort of thing because opinions are subjective and they really can’t be bad or wrong, but all of your opinions are bad and wrong.

But are they badong?

RoseofGilead.8907:

James Quall.6029:

I usually don’t say this sort of thing because opinions are subjective and they really can’t be bad or wrong, but all of your opinions are bad and wrong.

But are they badong?

We may need a stronger word still.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Katalos.5038:

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

RoseofGilead.8907:

lordkrall.7241:

So.. basically why isn’t Guild Wars 2 a completely different game? Have you ever thought that Guild Wars 2 was simply not for you?

This is what I was thinking as I read the OP, as well.

Same here. I know a lot of people get all up in arms where people use the argument that the game might not be ideal for someone, but in this case, I feel it really fits. Not all games are for all people.

Based on what he desires, there are games out there that meet some of his desires, if not all of them in one game. GW2; however, is not that game.

Why? GW2 can easily achieve things I mentioned right? I think they are doing it in HoT. The only thing that I mentioned will not be fulfilled in HoT is open world PvP.

Many of the things you desire are things Anet has specifically stated they would not do. For example, Structured PvP is intended to be fought on even terms, but you desire more of the WoW style gear grind ownage. The closest you’re going to come to that is WvW, which is intentionally allowed to be imbalanced.

Open world pvp is something many of us do not want to see. Please visit the very long multitude of dueling threads for further details.

I’m not sure what KS is (don’t recognize the abbrev?), but some of us like the social aspect of just ‘dropping in to’ an event and leaving when we want. We like not having to group up to do content unless we desire to. Could we use some more challenge to the open world foes, so that world bosses and such aren’t AFK fests auto spamming 1? Sure. I won’t argue there.

GvG – this one I am hoping to see return. I don’t play it personally, but I know it would make some people happy. Perhaps with simply better implementation of guild support (pvp rosters and such) we could see it work into existing pvp somehow, but I think even that would need some additional overhauls.

Oh, I love WvW (although I die so often, lol).

KS is kill steal. It is basically a system that determines who get the loots. Some games let the player who first hit the mob get it and some games let the player who get the last hit get it. GW2 is the only game I played with no KS. Is GW2 the only MMORPG you played?

In HoT, you can officially form a team representing your guild, play in sPvP and get ranked. It’s not the whole guild vs whole guild type of GvG though.

RoseofGilead.8907:

Katalos.5038:

Why? GW2 can easily achieve things I mentioned right? I think they are doing it in HoT. The only thing that I mentioned will not be fulfilled in HoT is open world PvP.

The only things from your list in your OP that are definitely being added are guild halls. I don’t see a “world chat” coming to the game. And open world pvp will likely never happen, same with kill stealing. GvG may come, but we don’t know how it’ll be implemented. I also can’t see them changing the way spvp has everyone on equal ground as far as gear goes.

Opps. I am sorry. I wasn’t referring to all the bullet points in my post. Sorry for the confusion.

Things I really want to see in GW2 are GvG and open world PvP. World chat is preferred but not required. I don’t want to see KS. I love the current system with no KS, but the problem of players not being serious and still get awarded should be fixed.

James Quall.6029:

I usually don’t say this sort of thing because opinions are subjective and they really can’t be bad or wrong, but all of your opinions are bad and wrong.

Why bad and wrong?

Why is this even a question?

It’s that way because that’s the way Anet wanted to make it. It’s how GW2 was designed and intended. This fact was never hidden, and in fact was marketed heavily. GW2 is meant to be a casual game. It’s the primary thing setting it apart from other mmo’s. It is THE ENTIRE POINT of the game.

Cornish.8472:

This is your view after only 120 hrs ive been playing for over 3k hrs and I took a break of a year so some players will be on 6k and still enjoying it gw2 is a strange place that you can enjoy all if you chose or non.

The last bit of your post is your answer its not a game to be hardcore in its a game to enjoy at your leisure.

IF! you want the best gear ect you will need to work at it a little. Or non if you want to buy it with gold / buying gems, and in turn that keeps the game going for other players.

I did notice that you didn’t put WvW maybe what your looking for is there, if your not on server that dose alot of wvw sorry! as for gvg that is also in wvw but you will need to look for it your self and find a guild on your server that dose it.

Like I said after only 120 hrs your just starting out in the game and maybe even change server a time or too b4 you find a place that fills your needs

I didn’t list WvW because WvW has nothing for me to say. It’s perfect.

Yes, I know I haven’t seen much. It’s just my current view about the game.

Katalos.5038:

Cornish.8472:

This is your view after only 120 hrs ive been playing for over 3k hrs and I took a break of a year so some players will be on 6k and still enjoying it gw2 is a strange place that you can enjoy all if you chose or non.

The last bit of your post is your answer its not a game to be hardcore in its a game to enjoy at your leisure.

IF! you want the best gear ect you will need to work at it a little. Or non if you want to buy it with gold / buying gems, and in turn that keeps the game going for other players.

I did notice that you didn’t put WvW maybe what your looking for is there, if your not on server that dose alot of wvw sorry! as for gvg that is also in wvw but you will need to look for it your self and find a guild on your server that dose it.

Like I said after only 120 hrs your just starting out in the game and maybe even change server a time or too b4 you find a place that fills your needs

I didn’t list WvW because WvW has nothing for me to say. It’s perfect.

Yes, I know I haven’t seen much. It’s just my current view about the game.

Well you’ve answered all your own fears, you have a part of the game that is perfect for you. Other parts are what other people like – though I think we can all agree on needing some good PvE encounters (but I heard they got a Raid Dev so maybe thats on the cards).

Katalos.5038:

Oh, I love WvW (although I die so often, lol).

Not big into wvw personally. Tried it a few times, get flattened often. Not my cup of tea..

Katalos.5038:

KS is kill steal. It is basically a system that determines who get the loots. Some games let the player who first hit the mob get it and some games let the player who get the last hit get it. GW2 is the only game I played with no KS. Is GW2 the only MMORPG you played?

Oh, that’s what it’s short for. Yeah I know what kill stealing is. And node stealing. It also makes me want to hunt that person down in real life, string them up by their toes and beat them like a pinata with a wooden baseball bat with steel spikes driven through it. (Yes, I’m a vicious person)

I have played WoW, SWTOR, Rift, and TERA, but wasn’t overly fond of them. Again, kill stealing and node stealing were intentionally not put into the game. It was an intentional design decision, and a big part of the original marketing platform for the game. Right up there with no sub fee. It made many of us quite happy.

Katalos.5038:

In HoT, you can officially form a team representing your guild, play in sPvP and get ranked. It’s not the whole guild vs whole guild type of GvG though.

So I’d heard, but we’ll see how it goes. I’d sort of like to see GW1 style gvg return with the return of guild halls. 8v8 or 10v10 teams. I don’t think they’ll do it though.

Editing: My terrible spelling and such. So hard to have a forum convo and an actual work related database convo at the same time lol.

1- Pulling aggro in GW2 is different because we don’t have “the trinity”.
2- KS, and open world PvP go counter to the core values Anet set forth when making this game in the first place. Also, a vast majority of people don’t want that in the game.
3- To that end, there is plenty of trash talking and harassment in the game already. Asking for it to be a thing that can happen on a grander scale is frankly obnoxious.

Guild Halls are in fact coming, but I promise you if they make it some limited resource only available to specific groups of players based on something like guild size or wealth they will see a very sudden drop in players and some less than cordial posts on this forum and other locations around the web. Basically a bad move if they were to follow your suggestion.

You want unbalanced fights, go into WvW as part of a server with a low WvW population. Enjoy getting zerg rolled. Really, its a blast.

In all seriousness, if these are the things you want most in your MMO experience then this is the last game you want to be playing. Not being glib, just being truthful.

Hidori.3472:

Katalos.5038,

humans are what they are and if they are shrouded in anonymity it gets really ugly.

if you talk trash to some guy on the street out there you would be probably concerned about the feedback you get. aka getting your face smashed to pulp. well at least if you don’t lack the necessary brain power to figure out consequences of trash talking to someone who’s in a group of five and you are a pity lonely nerd, just to fill this cliche.

in game ppl live out their fantasies and as humans are, some of them ain’t social at all.

trying to make a long story short, GW2 has a non griefing policy and they try their best to minimize these negative and unwanted behaviors in their virtual environment. that means also suppressing things which lead to negative behavior like for example kill-steal or someone taking your loot, camping nodes, etc.

GW2 PvP is perfect for competition, tho. if you think you have the balls and are the guy, go there and prove yourself. this is virtual sport as good as it can get. pve will stay casual and not competitive. no bullying of ppl who just want to enjoy the game in peace after a stressful day irl.

Finally someone who doesn’t shoot at my face and answer my question seriously, thank you.

I do sPvP everyday but too noob to survive, not to mention winning :-( I will keep practicing and get better :-)

All of the things you listed are reasons why I, and many other people, prefer this game to other MMOs.

Especially easy levelling meaning everyone can get access to all the content. Why would you want to play a game where you will most likely never get access to most of the game? What’s that point in the developers making it if only a very small number of people will get to play it?

I understand the idea of having progression, having to complete some parts of the game to access others, but I don’t understand making it with the intention that most people will never be able to do that.

Especially if the only reason is it takes so long they’ll probably get bored and move on to something else before they get there. Whether it takes 5 minutes or 5 years if most people get bored and quit before seeing everything on offer that’s bad game design.

Coulter.2315:

Katalos.5038:

Cornish.8472:

This is your view after only 120 hrs ive been playing for over 3k hrs and I took a break of a year so some players will be on 6k and still enjoying it gw2 is a strange place that you can enjoy all if you chose or non.

The last bit of your post is your answer its not a game to be hardcore in its a game to enjoy at your leisure.

IF! you want the best gear ect you will need to work at it a little. Or non if you want to buy it with gold / buying gems, and in turn that keeps the game going for other players.

I did notice that you didn’t put WvW maybe what your looking for is there, if your not on server that dose alot of wvw sorry! as for gvg that is also in wvw but you will need to look for it your self and find a guild on your server that dose it.

Like I said after only 120 hrs your just starting out in the game and maybe even change server a time or too b4 you find a place that fills your needs

I didn’t list WvW because WvW has nothing for me to say. It’s perfect.

Yes, I know I haven’t seen much. It’s just my current view about the game.

Well you’ve answered all your own fears, you have a part of the game that is perfect for you. Other parts are what other people like – though I think we can all agree on needing some good PvE encounters (but I heard they got a Raid Dev so maybe thats on the cards).

Raid? Dungeons that are world boss scale, but with parties instead of “dropping by”? I definitely look forward to that.

Yes, GW2 is very different from other MMOs, and that is why it is going well.
If GW2 was yet another “hardcore” MMO, it would be a failure like Wildstar was.

Katalos.5038:

• sPvP
  All players are scaled up to level 80 and equipped with the same gear in PvP instances. It feels like a sport or board game here, seriously. So fair, so boring. I like games that require player skills, like Monster Hunter. However, I dislike games that require only players skills, like DotA, LOL and CS. I prefer to be destroyed by some old players with good gears rather than having so much fairness in PvP. Low level or weakly geared players are supposed to be defeated by older players easily (even I am the low level guy here). That said, sPvP is a perfect platform for competitions or leaderboard.

Not going to happen.

Katalos.5038:

• No open world PvP
  Probably the main reason why Tyria is so peaceful.

Other games do it better. Not going to happen. Go into WvW.

Katalos.5038:

• No KS
  Another reason Tyria is so peaceful. I am having a love hate feeling with this setting. I have played enough MMORPGs to know how annoying KS can be. However, without KS, the PvE gameplay feels empty. I don’t have to find a group, I can just drop by any events and walk away anytime I like. I even saw a lot of players in the forum say they simply AFK and auto attack the world bosses. Where is the fun in that???

One of GW2 central themes is to overcome hardships together and assist each other. It’s in almost every aspect of the game. Not going to happen.

Katalos.5038:

• No GvG
  WHY??? I am looking for something like the Band of Brothers war in EVE Online. I want big guild wars (it’s fine even I am not part of the war, I want to at least see something like this!!).

GvG was in GW1, but not the way you discribe it. It was more of a team 8v8. Hopefully guilds see some love especially for the pvp bracket.

Katalos.5038:

• Easy leveling
  I learnt this from my previous post, “GW2 leveling is way too fast”. Now I understand why leveling in GW2 is so fast. “It unlocks all the contents for all the players quickly, so every players can play all the contents in the game.”. That’s my conclusion from my previous post. I am actually pretty shocked by this answer. “Access to all the contents”?? Isn’t this an MMORPG? From my previous MMORPGs experience, only top ranked or top level players can access to “all the contents” in the game. Why make all players accessible to all the contents in the game? It makes GW2 feels like a Single Player RPG with multiplayer feature enabled.

There is enough of grind MMOs on the market. GW2 has a different approach. Yay.

Katalos.5038:

• No world channel
  This is one of the features I like the most in MMORPG. This is where the arguments happened and where the guild wars started. I love watching those fights. However in GW2, world channel is not there. I guess the reason is “players will spam here and argue here, we don’t want this to affect other players”. Yeah, I can play Single Player games if I don’t want to affect by other players.

Translation = people start flame wars and eventually a mod has to step in and ban 30% of the players involved. Yeah, no thank you. Some arguments in LA or DR are borderline already.

Katalos.5038:

• Conclusion
  All these settings make me feel like Anet is trying their best to make the game as easy as possible for the players. They don’t want players to feel any discomforts throughout the gameplay. You can have access to all gameplay, no one can disturb you, you won’t be bullied by old players, you can play casually and still get stuffs. In short, have fun.

If I am still a hardcore player like I used to be, I have probably quit GW2. I am a semi-casual player now because of my work and study, so I don’t really mind the peacefulness in Tyria. However, it still bothers me sometime during the gameplay. GW2 is easily the most protective MMORPG I have played or even heard.

There, you ansered your own question/analysis. GW2 has a different target audience than the highschool 16 year old who defines himself over how many people he can anoy, dominate, insult, etc. (no offence to 16 year olds, we all were that age and some are very mature. Also there are very immature adults too).

GW2 is a lot like GW1. Get in, play, enjoy, get out. Repeat until bored. Take a break. Return and get in, play, enjoy, get out.

Katalos.5038:

Coulter.2315:

Katalos.5038:

Cornish.8472:

This is your view after only 120 hrs ive been playing for over 3k hrs and I took a break of a year so some players will be on 6k and still enjoying it gw2 is a strange place that you can enjoy all if you chose or non.

The last bit of your post is your answer its not a game to be hardcore in its a game to enjoy at your leisure.

IF! you want the best gear ect you will need to work at it a little. Or non if you want to buy it with gold / buying gems, and in turn that keeps the game going for other players.

I did notice that you didn’t put WvW maybe what your looking for is there, if your not on server that dose alot of wvw sorry! as for gvg that is also in wvw but you will need to look for it your self and find a guild on your server that dose it.

Like I said after only 120 hrs your just starting out in the game and maybe even change server a time or too b4 you find a place that fills your needs

I didn’t list WvW because WvW has nothing for me to say. It’s perfect.

Yes, I know I haven’t seen much. It’s just my current view about the game.

Well you’ve answered all your own fears, you have a part of the game that is perfect for you. Other parts are what other people like – though I think we can all agree on needing some good PvE encounters (but I heard they got a Raid Dev so maybe thats on the cards).

Raid? Dungeons that are world boss scale, but with parties instead of “dropping by”? I definitely look forward to that.

This is a possibility. We do not know what their “challenging group content” entails as yet for HoT. They have not addressed that point, and the most recent post from Colin is that it is not [necessarily] the open world content (which they want to make that harder too) and that we will get more information “when its ready”. Yes, they did hire a raid designer a while back, as well as brought on a guy for better AI as well.

Katalos.5038:

So, here are what I have noticed after playing GW2 for 120 hours and consistent visit to reddit and this official forum.

You’ve only played for 120 hours? You have barely scratched the surface of the game.
Sounds to me like you’re forming your opinions about GW2 based more on forum chatter than actual play time.

Plus, you mention enjoying PvP and WvW…..that is the beauty of this game. Some people like all elements of it, and some people just like certain elements.

Since you enjoy PvP and WvW, then just concentrate on those for now and have fun!

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Katalos.5038:

Oh, I love WvW (although I die so often, lol).

Not big into wvw personally. Tried it a few times, get flattened often. Not my cup of tea..

I get flattened often too. I can’t even survive in 5v5 sPvP, lol. I like big scale PvP like WvW though, so I will keep working to get better.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Katalos.5038:

KS is kill steal. It is basically a system that determines who get the loots. Some games let the player who first hit the mob get it and some games let the player who get the last hit get it. GW2 is the only game I played with no KS. Is GW2 the only MMORPG you played?

Oh, that’s what it’s short for. Yeah I know what kill stealing is. And node stealing. It also makes me want to hunt that person down in real life, string them up by their toes and beat them like a pinata with a wooden baseball bat with steel spikes driven through it. (Yes, I’m a vicious person)

I have played WoW, SWTOR, Rift, and TERA, but wasn’t overly fond of them. Again, kill stealing and node stealing were intentionally not put into the game. It was an intentional design decision, and a big part of the original marketing platform for the game. Right up there with no sub fee. It made many of us quite happy.

So KS is not often used here? I am sorry that I used it assuming it is understandable.
Thanks god I never kill steal anything in my MMORPG life.

I like the idea of no kill stealing too, but it kind-of removes the need of party in the game. I have never looked for a party in GW2, except for dungeons.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Katalos.5038:

In HoT, you can officially form a team representing your guild, play in sPvP and get ranked. It’s not the whole guild vs whole guild type of GvG though.

So I’d heard, but we’ll see how it goes. I’d sort of like to see GW1 style gvg return with the return of guild halls. 8v8 or 10v10 teams. I don’t think they’ll do it though.

Editing: My terrible spelling and such. So hard to have a forum convo and an actual work related database convo at the same time lol.

I did not play GW1 so I can’t say much. 8v8 or 10v10 in instances or open world?

Surely this must be a troll thread.
You basically want GW2 to not be GW2…

You want a MMO like that? You’re gonna have to go try something like Archeage or any other korean MMO.

Katalos.5038:

So KS is not often used here? I am sorry that I used it assuming it is understandable.

Since KS simply doesn’t exist here, no one uses it, the people that know that therm are the ones that have experience with other MMOs.

Katalos.5038:

I did not play GW1 so I can’t say much. 8v8 or 10v10 in instances or open world?

In GW1, GvG was 8v8 in an instanced area.

Katalos.5038:

I get flattened often too. I can’t even survive in 5v5 sPvP, lol. I like big scale PvP like WvW though, so I will keep working to get better.

I dabble in all modes now and again. I am getting better at the sPvP side. I don’t think I died at all in my last unrated match (running staff ele). I was very proud of myself.

Katalos.5038:

So KS is not often used here? I am sorry that I used it assuming it is understandable.
Thanks god I never kill steal anything in my MMORPG life.

I like the idea of no kill stealing too, but it kind-of removes the need of party in the game. I have never looked for a party in GW2, except for dungeons.

It may be, but just not an abbrev I’m used to. I’m very bad with them (memory of a goldfish and all).

I like not having to party personally. I enjoy being able to wander around and do things at my own pace, or with just one or two others if I so desire. I played GW1 primary with hench, and then heroes for a lot of things too. I like that is an option.

Katalos.5038:

I did not play GW1 so I can’t say much. 8v8 or 10v10 in instances or open world?

In GW1 Guild Halls were the maps used for GvG battles. They were 8v8 instances, similar to Stronghold in many ways (which is partly where the devs took the inspiration from). You can youtube it if you want to watch some of the old battles.

Danikat.8537:

All of the things you listed are reasons why I, and many other people, prefer this game to other MMOs.

Especially easy levelling meaning everyone can get access to all the content. Why would you want to play a game where you will most likely never get access to most of the game? What’s that point in the developers making it if only a very small number of people will get to play it?

I understand the idea of having progression, having to complete some parts of the game to access others, but I don’t understand making it with the intention that most people will never be able to do that.

Especially if the only reason is it takes so long they’ll probably get bored and move on to something else before they get there. Whether it takes 5 minutes or 5 years if most people get bored and quit before seeing everything on offer that’s bad game design.

Erm, to have a goal and something to “whoa at” maybe? By not having all the contents, I mean only a very small portion. For example, the floating castle in Tera. Only the best guild in the server can claim it. In that case, only members in that guild can access to the contents in it. It is only a very small part of the game and it does not affect anything. I didn’t mean not having some dungeons or maps accessible to all players.

Belzebu.3912:

Yes, GW2 is very different from other MMOs, and that is why it is going well.
If GW2 was yet another “hardcore” MMO, it would be a failure like Wildstar was.

I didn’t like the artwork in Wildstar, but I heard it went f2p recently. It is failure?

Cyninja.2954:

Get in, play, enjoy, get out. Repeat until bored. Take a break. Return and get in, play, enjoy, get out.

Noted.

Katalos.5038:

Belzebu.3912:

Yes, GW2 is very different from other MMOs, and that is why it is going well.
If GW2 was yet another “hardcore” MMO, it would be a failure like Wildstar was.

I didn’t like the artwork in Wildstar, but I heard it went f2p recently. It is failure?

Yes, from how it started and after a small time later the number of players dropped a lot and the views in places like Twitch is laughable small. go to f2p is their last hope to keep active.

Play the living story. At the end of dragonsreach pt II it’s pretty obvious they are barely getting along as it is. Each faction is only worried about their own borders for the most part and try not to work with others unless they have to. They are reluctant neighbors at best. I mean, when sylvari first awakened, no one knew how to react to them. Asura didn’t think they were actual intelligent life forms and used them as testing materials. Of course there was the war between humans and the charr. It’s hardly nothing but smiles and sunshine.

But they won’t fight each other. Why? they all have enough enemies bothering them as it is. They are smart enough to not pick on a major faction for no good reason. And they have to save their resources for when they do have to team up against common foes, like the elder dragons.

Basically, if you bothered to follow the story it would be pretty self evident why things are the way they are.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Katalos.5038:

Coulter.2315:

Katalos.5038:

Cornish.8472:

This is your view after only 120 hrs ive been playing for over 3k hrs and I took a break of a year so some players will be on 6k and still enjoying it gw2 is a strange place that you can enjoy all if you chose or non.

The last bit of your post is your answer its not a game to be hardcore in its a game to enjoy at your leisure.

IF! you want the best gear ect you will need to work at it a little. Or non if you want to buy it with gold / buying gems, and in turn that keeps the game going for other players.

I did notice that you didn’t put WvW maybe what your looking for is there, if your not on server that dose alot of wvw sorry! as for gvg that is also in wvw but you will need to look for it your self and find a guild on your server that dose it.

Like I said after only 120 hrs your just starting out in the game and maybe even change server a time or too b4 you find a place that fills your needs

I didn’t list WvW because WvW has nothing for me to say. It’s perfect.

Yes, I know I haven’t seen much. It’s just my current view about the game.

Well you’ve answered all your own fears, you have a part of the game that is perfect for you. Other parts are what other people like – though I think we can all agree on needing some good PvE encounters (but I heard they got a Raid Dev so maybe thats on the cards).

Raid? Dungeons that are world boss scale, but with parties instead of “dropping by”? I definitely look forward to that.

This is a possibility. We do not know what their “challenging group content” entails as yet for HoT. They have not addressed that point, and the most recent post from Colin is that it is not [necessarily] the open world content (which they want to make that harder too) and that we will get more information “when its ready”. Yes, they did hire a raid designer a while back, as well as brought on a guy for better AI as well.

I saw that on reddit too (which leads here). I did’t expect “challenging group content” will be taken this serious though. Hopefully we will get something huge. * throw money at the screen *

Teon.5168:

Katalos.5038:

So, here are what I have noticed after playing GW2 for 120 hours and consistent visit to reddit and this official forum.

You’ve only played for 120 hours? You have barely scratched the surface of the game.
Sounds to me like you’re forming your opinions about GW2 based more on forum chatter than actual play time.

Plus, you mention enjoying PvP and WvW…..that is the beauty of this game. Some people like all elements of it, and some people just like certain elements.

Since you enjoy PvP and WvW, then just concentrate on those for now and have fun!

I have not really started “enjoying” PvP and WvW yet because I got stomp too often T.T

I play them everyday though.

Zanshin.5379:

Surely this must be a troll thread.
You basically want GW2 to not be GW2…

You want a MMO like that? You’re gonna have to go try something like Archeage or any other korean MMO.

Nope, not a troll thread. They are all my true opinions. Look at how many words I have typed and how serious I reply to all the replies (except those I want to ignore).

I want an action MMORPG and I am actually waiting for Blade & Soul. still waiting………..

Katalos.5038:

• sPvP
  All players are scaled up to level 80 and equipped with the same gear in PvP instances. It feels like a sport or board game here, seriously. So fair, so boring. I like games that require player skills, like Monster Hunter. However, I dislike games that require only players skills, like DotA, LOL and CS. I prefer to be destroyed by some old players with good gears rather than having so much fairness in PvP. Low level or weakly geared players are supposed to be defeated by older players easily (even I am the low level guy here). That said, sPvP is a perfect platform for competitions or leaderboard.

I enjoy this pvp system. it lets me try things i wouldn’t normally try, like the necro i’m currently leveling. The vets should be able to beat a new player, yes. but with skill, not simple numbers. (also i’m against statistical advantage determining who wins, but that’s another topic entirely)

Katalos.5038:

• No open world PvP
  Probably the main reason why Tyria is so peaceful.

I do honestly think there should be an option for open world pvp or at least dueling, but sure am I glad it’s not required. i tried archeage, tera, and vanilla wow on pvp servers (friends wanted me to play, i would have picked pve only otherwise) and GEEZ did i hate it.

Katalos.5038:

• No KS
  Another reason Tyria is so peaceful. I am having a love hate feeling with this setting. I have played enough MMORPGs to know how annoying KS can be. However, without KS, the PvE gameplay feels empty. I don’t have to find a group, I can just drop by any events and walk away anytime I like. I even saw a lot of players in the forum say they simply AFK and auto attack the world bosses. Where is the fun in that???

I enjoy the fact I don’t have to find a group. I’m a very solo-casual player, I like to do things at my own pace, and not being pigeon-holed into playing with strangers (and when a high level goes into a low level area to steal kills it just bothers me and makes me want to quit playing.)

Katalos.5038:

• No GvG
  WHY??? I am looking for something like the Band of Brothers war in EVE Online. I want big guild wars (it’s fine even I am not part of the war, I want to at least see something like this!!).

i’m indifferent, since i’m not a part of any large guilds that would participate in that.

• Easy leveling
  I learnt this from my previous post, “GW2 leveling is way too fast”. Now I understand why leveling in GW2 is so fast. “It unlocks all the contents for all the players quickly, so every players can play all the contents in the game.”. That’s my conclusion from my previous post. I am actually pretty shocked by this answer. “Access to all the contents”?? Isn’t this an MMORPG? From my previous MMORPGs experience, only top ranked or top level players can access to “all the contents” in the game. Why make all players accessible to all the contents in the game? It makes GW2 feels like a Single Player RPG with multiplayer feature enabled.

and i’m glad that it takes similarities from single player rpg’s. they’re some of my favorite games. I think I mentioned it in the topic you’re speaking of, but I always got frustrated and stop playing other mmos because i didn’t want to spend 100+ hours to reach max level. I just don’t have that kind of dedication to grinding, I want to feel that I’ve “completed” a game within 50-80 hours(not 100% it. just completing it. in gw2 terms it would be reaching 80 and getting a full set of exotics, for me). and yes, I realize that’s not typical for mmos, but it’s still what I’d prefer.

• No world channel
  This is one of the features I like the most in MMORPG. This is where the arguments happened and where the guild wars started. I love watching those fights. However in GW2, world channel is not there. I guess the reason is “players will spam here and argue here, we don’t want this to affect other players”. Yeah, I can play Single Player games if I don’t want to affect by other players.

based on what i’ve seen of other games “world channels”, i’m pretty much satisfied that we don’t have to deal with that.

note that I’m not saying you’re wrong, I’m just saying the reasons I’m glad A-Net made GW2 the way it is. It’s done so many things that other mmos don’t that i’m extremely thankful for as a solo/casual player.

Belzebu.3912:

Katalos.5038:

So KS is not often used here? I am sorry that I used it assuming it is understandable.

Since KS simply doesn’t exist here, no one uses it, the people that know that therm are the ones that have experience with other MMOs.

I see. Sorry for that.

Belzebu.3912:

Katalos.5038:

I did not play GW1 so I can’t say much. 8v8 or 10v10 in instances or open world?

In GW1, GvG was 8v8 in an instanced area.

Argh, instanced area :-/

It’s better than nothing though. I can’t wait for HoT, hopefully it’s not too expensive.

I am so glad that gw2 isnt designed by the OP.

Seriously, if you want to run around in maxed out gear griefing lowbies in pvp maps there are literally hundreds of games you can do that in.

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Katalos.5038:

I get flattened often too. I can’t even survive in 5v5 sPvP, lol. I like big scale PvP like WvW though, so I will keep working to get better.

I dabble in all modes now and again. I am getting better at the sPvP side. I don’t think I died at all in my last unrated match (running staff ele). I was very proud of myself.

Staff Ele??? That’s what I am using. I often change to a wrong attunment or not changing at all because I am too panic T.T

LanfearShadowflame.3189:

Katalos.5038:

I did not play GW1 so I can’t say much. 8v8 or 10v10 in instances or open world?

In GW1 Guild Halls were the maps used for GvG battles. They were 8v8 instances, similar to Stronghold in many ways (which is partly where the devs took the inspiration from). You can youtube it if you want to watch some of the old battles.

Are the Guild Halls limited to top guilds? Or every guilds will have their own guild hall?

Great you don’t mind KSing and being basically farmed by higher levels BUT the first MMO I played was Ultima online and I hated it and stopped playing within 2 weeks of it coming out as it was a serious drag to spend time building up just to be flattened by someone WAY beyond you.. TOO many players would get to the apex of levels or skills and then think it was great fun to beat on the nubes which quickly stops being fun and you quickly have fewer new players and the game quickly dies off.

GvG I would myself like to see implemented BUT so far not much call for it and even then I would hate to see it in open world unless limited for the same reason as posted above that you end up with “big dogs” killing nub characters just because (and honestly it often feels like trolling the newer players after a while and might be why this game has a much friendlier atmosphere compared to others)
Fast leveling has been a common practice SINCE WoW did it with Wrath xpac and GW1 it was pretty fast getting to max level BUT then the work really began anyway.
to the idea of world channels IF you mean world chat channels

No No and NO..
any kind of open channel ends up sometimes spammed by stupidity and frankly the idea of being apmmed by stupidity for someone NOT even in the same zone is just a BAD idea and guaranteed to be abused on a regular basis by some.

Honestly I don’t know if you will find HUGE PvP/GvG/WvW changes with HoT and I think even if there are there could be very well and exodus from the game with large changes as the players who are comfortable with the present set up find THEIR Tyria gone.

Maybe this game isn’t for you OR maybe we all just need to occasionally accept than NO game is ever everything we want it to be and learn to like tose things we like and try to ignore the things we don’t.

GL with you travels in game and elsewhere .. see you around (I am a terror for trying new games and i don’t think i have missed a title of an MMO since ultima online came out in 1997 and before that i played a text based game called genie).

FYI I hate the forum limitations

Ralanost.8913:

Play the living story. At the end of dragonsreach pt II it’s pretty obvious they are barely getting along as it is. Each faction is only worried about their own borders for the most part and try not to work with others unless they have to. They are reluctant neighbors at best. I mean, when sylvari first awakened, no one knew how to react to them. Asura didn’t think they were actual intelligent life forms and used them as testing materials. Of course there was the war between humans and the charr. It’s hardly nothing but smiles and sunshine.

But they won’t fight each other. Why? they all have enough enemies bothering them as it is. They are smart enough to not pick on a major faction for no good reason. And they have to save their resources for when they do have to team up against common foes, like the elder dragons.

Basically, if you bothered to follow the story it would be pretty self evident why things are the way they are.

I follow all the stories. I didn’t even miss a word in it (but I can’t remember all).

I like how you explain my concern with the lore in Tyria, lol.

The problems you have with sPvP in this game are the exact things I like about it.

As someone who has PvPed and still does PvP in WoW one the things I dislike most, actually, is the gear gap in PvP. It’s not just that it’s not fun to get curbstomped by someone in better gear, but it’s also that it’s simply not fun to curbstomp someone in bad gear. I never found it satisfying or awesome to beat an undergeared opponent in a stunlock on my paladin. In fact, my most memorable PvP moments in that game are from fighting equally or even slightly stronger geared opponents and beating them by simply playing better.

Also, having to “buy” gear is a huge hassle for players like me who like to experiment with different stat combinations to find what fits them the best. Admittedly I’d like more options for mixing and matching stats in sPvP then having a single stat item via amulets… But ah well, beggars can’t be choosers I suppose.

Katalos.5038:

Belzebu.3912:

Katalos.5038:

I did not play GW1 so I can’t say much. 8v8 or 10v10 in instances or open world?

In GW1, GvG was 8v8 in an instanced area.

Argh, instanced area :-/

In GW1, everything except towns was instanced (there were districts in towns, like overflows). It’s how everyone playing could be on the same server, but the network and server resources were low enough that it could function like that in 2005.