Guild Wars 2

I would really love to see dueling implemented into the game…
Items also should to be tradable…
Stats and effects on weapons and equipment should vary slightly to give the game some customization.

The end game content is not there without these components IMO

Dueling: https://www.google.com/search?q=dueling+site%3Aforum-en.guildwars.com&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=Palemoon:de&client=palemoon-a#q=site:forum-en.guildwars2.com+dueling&rls=Palemoon:de&safe=active
=> Discussed ad nauseam already, not gonna happen, doesn’t fit with GW2’s clear tenets.

Trading: You can trade via Black Lion Trading Post. Other ways of trading are neither safe nor intended.

Stats and Effects on weapons varying: We don’t need another Diablo or WoW. Also, this would lead to a vertical progression system in which you’d farm for the perfect copy of that item which is against GW2’s Manifesto tenets.

Because there is WvW and the Traiding Post.

Non soulbound or account bound items are tradeable via mail.

Ettanin.8271:

Dueling:
Discussed ad nauseam already, not gonna happen, doesn’t fit with GW2’s clear tenets.

That’s not at all true, last I heard it was being talked about and they’re discussing good ways of bringing it to the game.

Go to pvp for duelling and use the trading post for trading, have a nice day.

Please close this topic.

Dueling
There is no duelling in the open world because they want PvE to be entirely about cooperating with other players. If you want to duel you can go to a PvP arena to do it.

Trade
You can trade anything that’s not account bound or soul bound through the Trading Post. You can’t trade directly because it’s open to too many scams. GW1 had a very good trade system and there were still tons of scams.

Customisable stats and effects
I’m not sure what you mean by this because there are already a lot of options. At level 1 each weapon or armor piece gives a bonus to 1 of 8 stats, meaning there are 8 versions of each item which all do something slightly different. This increases as you level up. Level 80 equipment gives bonuses to 3 stats and there are 23 combinations available currently (new ones are added occasionally).

And of course you don’t have to have a matching set. You can use a mix of gear with different stat bonuses to get what you want.

You can customise even further by adding runes and sigils which give stat bonuses and extra effects. Everything from additional stat boosts to applying conditions to summoning a parrot to fight for you (seriously).

What more do you think they should be doing to allow customisation?

this week they’re discussing trading and collecting, so something might pop up

Dueling has been discussed several times, basically the general idea of the game is to have PvP and PvE completely separated from each other, with the open world being completely PvE oriented and PvP on its own zone (sPvP and WvW). It’s not to say it’s not gonna happen in the future, just not part of the general idea of the game in the first place.

Items are tradable by mail (unless they’re soul or account bound, of course), however it’s open to being scammed and is unsupported, so if you’re scammed you’re on your own. The only supported way to trade between players is the trading post, which also doubles as a necesary gold sink (15% of every transaction removed from the economy).

The way stats go are also tied to the phylosophy of the game. The general idea that was sold from the beggining was that top level items, stats wise, would be relatively easy to obtain once you reach level cap, and that the difference between pieces of gear would be mostly cosmetic, with no gear grind for stats. There was a bit of an uproar when ascended gear as introduced, which was not easy to obtain (but to be fair, not necesary for any content in the game save for high level fractals), so I doubt the idea of more gear grind for better stats would be well received.

There’s no trading?

Am I missing something? Checks game – Trading Post seems to still be functional…

ANet’s statements leave me with the impression that dueling might be added at some future point, but that direct player-to-player trading will never be added.

problem is, there’s PvP, but so far as I know you can’t PvP with preselected people. I can’t ask someone in my guild if they want to have a go at it, outside

There is no direct player-to-player trading because they want you to use the trading post. They want items to move this way in order to destroy gold from the economy via the various fees associated with each transaction. While you can mail things, it isn’t secure.

Ayakaru.6583:

problem is, there’s PvP, but so far as I know you can’t PvP with preselected people. I can’t ask someone in my guild if they want to have a go at it, outside

Sure you can, that’s how I learned PvP. You just pick an empty server, both enter and join opposing teams.

Honestly, I think they should simply add a dueling lobby in the mists. That way you wouldn’t be swamped with duel requests in PvE or have stupidity like the fight clubbing in WvW.

Direct trading is unnecessary, and is a relic of MMO design. Anyone engaging in honest trade can do so much more efficiently with automated auction house/personal shop systems, and furthermore, games without trade are also games without people spamming every channel ever with WTS posts. Seriously, you should have seen what GW1 LA was like before they made and enforced trade channels, or tried to trade anything AFTER they added them. It was a mess, and is a mess in every game which supports point to point trading, and only benefits scammers while making it harder to buy the items you want to buy from people.

As long as you can give items away there is literally no need for player to player trading, as that is its only useful function in a game with a functioning auction house.

I honestly wish there was a form of direct trading to circumvent the tax on the auction house. I doubt there aren’t ways for anet to implement systems to reduce scams and trade abuse to a minimum and it is a matter of choice for someone to engage in direct trading and assume the risks. Having the option to trade with others doesn’t mean you have to use it, it wouldn’t really affect the tp given that its not based on a single server population but the entire game population for the region.

Kobi Beef.3895:

I honestly wish there was a form of direct trading to circumvent the tax on the auction house. I doubt there aren’t ways for anet to implement systems to reduce scams and trade abuse to a minimum and it is a matter of choice for someone to engage in direct trading and assume the risks. Having the option to trade with others doesn’t mean you have to use it, it wouldn’t really affect the tp given that its not based on a single server population but the entire game population for the region.

If Anet did this, then these forums would be flooded with QQing “I got scammed” threads in no time.

I would not relish a Spamadan-type chat environment, again. It’s worse than those whispers one occasionally receives or that were prevalent in /map chat previously.

If there was direct trading I fell like it would destroy this game. Every area would have map chat filled with WTB, WTS, WTT and that might prevent players from playing the game. For those of you that would say just turn off map chat that would stop players from asking for help cause even if they made a trade channel players would still put trades in regular map chat.

Ettanin.8271:

Also, this would lead to a vertical progression system in which you’d farm for the perfect copy of that item which is against GW2’s Manifesto tenets.

I agree with you, but mentioning GW2’s Manifesto is funny considering how whole game cast out most of ideas presented in Manifesto.

Kobi Beef.3895:

I honestly wish there was a form of direct trading to circumvent the tax on the auction house. I doubt there aren’t ways for anet to implement systems to reduce scams and trade abuse to a minimum and it is a matter of choice for someone to engage in direct trading and assume the risks.

The problem with that is while you can reduce to a minimum the number of bugs/design oversights which are used for scams and trade abuse, once such a bug is discovered all the scammers flock to it and its impact on the game is much larger than a minimal bug. It’s like holes in a wall to keep ants out. Even if you reduce the number of holes to a minimum, if there’s just a single hole all the ants will stream in once they find it, and they can do a lot of damage before you find and patch that hole. The only acceptable number of holes in a wall is zero if you want to keep ants out. And forcing all trades to happen through the TP is how to set the impact of trade scams at zero.

The 15% fee on TP serves two purposes. It acts as a money sink as someone else pointed out, which is a necessary form of entropy in games where things don’t wear out and need to be repaired/replaced. Without entropy (objects and value being destroyed), the number of things in the game is always increasing relative to the number of players, prices are always going down, so everyone tries to sell everything as soon as possible, the amount of gold is always increasing making prices sky-high for the rare desirable items (i.e. # of items in game < # of players who want it), the market breaks down, and it’s generally a miserable place especially for newer players who didn’t get aboard when there wasn’t as much gold in the system.

But more importantly it discourages speculation on the market. You’ll only buy something to speculate on it if you’re very sure the price will go up, because you’re going to lose 15% of its value immediately. It makes it harder to flip things in the market. In this way, the new player and even the average player is protected from really rich players manipulating the market. A bigger percentage of people buying things on TP are buying them because they need them, a smaller percentage to speculate on them compared to if there were no 15% fee.

TP is a pretty well though-out system. The only fix I would make is to make it easier to see other listings when selling stuff. Right now it only shows you the lowest selling price, not the bottom 15 or so listings like when you’re buying. That means someone can manipulate it by listing one item too low in price, causing the lazy to just choose his buy now price. He can then cancel that one low-listing, and sell all the items which were sold to him at a much higher price. (I’d also reduce the number of levels on items so that more get grouped as a single TP item. Right now most blue and green item listings don’t have enough volume to arrive at a good market rate. Large spreads between buy/sell prices shouldn’t even exist with enough liquidity. That’s where most “flippers” are currently making their money. Crafting mats are a good example of a healthy market. The spread between their buy and sell prices is typically only 1-5 copper.)

Having the option to trade with others doesn’t mean you have to use it, it wouldn’t really affect the tp given that its not based on a single server population but the entire game population for the region.

If you really want to trade with someone you really trust, just mail the items to him, and he can mail the gold to you. GW2’s lack of a secure trade system just means it’s crystal clear that if you do not use the TP, then it’s completely your fault if you get scammed. Secure trade systems tend to give people a false sense of security, causing them to be less careful (which is ok if you’re absolutely sure it’s bulletproof and doesn’t have bugs which can be used to scam; but realistically that’s not going to happen in a game). By making it so the only way to directly trade with another person is for you to completely trust each other, they’re making sure you’re completely aware of your vulnerability to scams when doing so.

In RL, flaws in secure trades are handled by police and the court system. Even though there are flaws in our contract and money transaction system, people abusing them get caught and put in jail to discourage it. In a game though, I would much rather Anet employees work on new content and fixing bugs, rather than policing the virtual world.

Neither duel nor trading is needed, there are mechanisms allowing you do to both without any potential to scam or troll though. Is that what’s bothering you ?

I fail to see how dueling would be a problem at all in the game. Why can you have costume battles or whatever they’re called, but two people having a quick match in town square is against the ideals of the game? Makes no sense. It’s way more of a hassle to make people go into a whole other realm just have to a duel.

As far as trading goes however, I don’t see much point to it. If you wanted to trade something with someone use the mail system. If you’re trying to trade something with someone you don’t know, then why are you trading with someone you don’t know? Put it on the TP.

Brian.6435:

As far as trading goes however, I don’t see much point to it. If you wanted to trade something with someone use the mail system. If you’re trying to trade something with someone you don’t know, then why are you trading with someone you don’t know? Put it on the TP.

The problem with using the mail system is if you are sending more than 10 items and send the 3rd mail too quickly, it will be blocked as excessive messaging.

I also had an experience when someone’s name randomly apeared in the recipient textbox even after entering the intended recipient’s name. Safe to say, that person did not return the rares I accidentally mailed them.

Charleston Chew.1209:

Neither duel nor trading is needed, there are mechanisms allowing you do to both without any potential to scam or troll though. Is that what’s bothering you ?

The wardrobe system wasn’t needed either but the game is better off for it.

Wanze.8410:

Go to pvp for duelling and use the trading post for trading, have a nice day.

Please close this topic.

So when you are playing with your friend whom is new to the game and you want to send stuff to help them, as playing in lower lvl zones all the puppy you pick up is virtually useless to you, you then get blocked for spam when you try to send more than 4 mails to them.

Why can you not just trade directly with them, like EVERY OTHER MMO that I can think of has in place from the start !

I am not fond of player-to-player trading for other reasons previously expressed, but are you^ saying that player-to-player trading would not have any frequency limits? Are you saying you don’t think the Devs would put in any anti-bot/GS/etc. functions to that kind of trading? That nefarious people would have free reign if only there was player-to-player trading?

I’m not sure there would not be even more restrictions on such a practice.

Brian.6435:

I fail to see how dueling would be a problem at all in the game. (SNIP).

Try every troll continuously spamming you with duel requests ?

( I have played a game where they do that , WoW) so IF they did add duels, having a toggle to permanently disable requests would be needed !

Kohlteth.3715:

Brian.6435:

I fail to see how dueling would be a problem at all in the game. (SNIP).

Try every troll continuously spamming you with duel requests ?

( I have played a game where they do that , WoW) so IF they did add duels, having a toggle to permanently disable requests would be needed !

I’d like to think anet would be smart enough to make duel requests work with the Block List.

Kobi Beef.3895:

I honestly wish there was a form of direct trading to circumvent the tax on the auction house.

I wish I could make money IRL and not pay tax. Dreams are free.

Substance E.4852:

Charleston Chew.1209:

Neither duel nor trading is needed, there are mechanisms allowing you do to both without any potential to scam or troll though. Is that what’s bothering you ?

The wardrobe system wasn’t needed either but the game is better off for it.

ANet probably thought that the wardrobe system would be more popular than duelling. They’re probably right.

I think 99% of the player base couldn’t care less about duelling, and that’s the real reason ANet haven’t done anything.

Just add dueling to the Obsidian Sanctum puzzle arena area. PvE players wouldn’t have a single valid reason for not adding dueling in. All the big scary dueling that they’re afraid of would be out of the way on a WvW map.

EvilSardine.9635:

Just add dueling to the Obsidian Sanctum puzzle arena area. PvE players wouldn’t have a single valid reason for not adding dueling in. All the big scary dueling that they’re afraid of would be out of the way on a WvW map.

scary =/= obnoxious, annoying, aggravating

Otherwise I fully support your suggestion. Personaly, I wouldn’t have any issue with the duel system as long as it is not present in pve areas.

Dueling in the open world was something they mentioned they were willing to do back in beta, but it obviously wasn’t a priority. After the introduction of custom arenas, I doubt they’ll bother to implement dueling now, and there’s always costume brawl for the just for fun duels.

Removal of player to player trading was a design choice brought on from GW1, where trade scams were a rather common occurrence and chat was nothing but spam. I imagine it generated a lot of useless support requests, so they probably decided to cut it out entirely, plus the trading post makes people see the gem store.

No dueling!

I’ve played other MMOs with dueling. It’s bad when you get a duel request and after denying it several times, eventually the one sending you the requests starts harassing you, calling you names, and being down right mean about it. Then you get so mad you either leave the map to get away from them or actually accept their request. If you accept their request they beat you in a few seconds then laugh at you in front of everybody and continue to insult you. They usually do this to players a few levels lower than them, obviously not geared as good as them, and just as you happen to be passing by.

So no, I despise dueling in games. If I want to fight other players I’ll go to a PVP zone, as it should be.

As far as player to player trading: don’t care. I prefer the trading post anyway so I’m not standing in town for several hours just trying to get rid of something, or buy something. When selling you sometimes get an offer that is way less than what you want and/or what most players would say it’s worth. When buying you give an offer you think is fair and you get laughed at, even if you offer what it’s worth or a little more. Some players just overcharge for stuff.

Direct trades would only be beneficial with the additional existence of the trading post, but everybody against it always goes “MUH SPAMADAN” and “MUH TRADE SCAMS” and as a result we have an MMO where trading with other players is a hassle; it’s hard to manage that unless you really try to be as incompetent as possible.

The TP in this game is one of the most robust trading interfaces I’ve seen. I don’t feel any need to do face-to-face trading with it on hand.

Sure, being able to circumvent the tax easily would be nice. We all love the idea of more money. But as others have pointed out, the tax serves a variety of important purposes that all impact trade and how we experience it.

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it’s like an option to block trade and/or duel requests wouldn’t ever be considered if any of these things were implemented.

SandBearSurprise.5934:

it’s like an option to block trade and/or duel requests wouldn’t ever be considered if any of these things were implemented.

But then people wouldn’t have any “legitimate reason” to say no and would instead have to acknowledge that they don’t want it because it would offend their delicate carebear sensibilities.

SandBearSurprise.5934:

it’s like an option to block trade and/or duel requests wouldn’t ever be considered if any of these things were implemented.

I’m not convinced blocking requests would work. It’d be like GW1 where every guild had that one guy endlessly spamming chat with “Any1 1v1?”

Substance E.4852:

SandBearSurprise.5934:

it’s like an option to block trade and/or duel requests wouldn’t ever be considered if any of these things were implemented.

But then people wouldn’t have any “legitimate reason” to say no and would instead have to acknowledge that they don’t want it because it would offend their delicate carebear sensibilities.

accountability and responsibility are both triggers for me can you please be more sensitive? don’t put things into games that i have to consciously opt out of please.

Danikat.8537:

SandBearSurprise.5934:

it’s like an option to block trade and/or duel requests wouldn’t ever be considered if any of these things were implemented.

I’m not convinced blocking requests would work. It’d be like GW1 where every guild had that one guy endlessly spamming chat with “Any1 1v1?”

SandBearSurprise.5934:

it’s like an option to block trade and/or duel requests wouldn’t ever be considered if any of these things were implemented.

Even with a setting to not allow any duel requests you would still have that one jerk harassing you for not wanting to duel. Sure you could put them on your ignore list but then other players make fun of you for what that jerk is saying and/or start harassing you themselves and/or they start following you around and won’t leave you alone. It would end up creating an unfriendly environment in the game. I have had it happen to me in other games and those games did have the option to always block duel requests.

Keep PVP where it is. I can’t stand open world PVP or dueling. Nothing more annoying than being constantly harassed by some duelist or getting ganked by somone a few levels higher than you and/or have way better gear than you while you’re out exploring, gathering crafting materials, questing, etc. If I want abuse I’ll go to WvW or PVP.