Guild Wars 2

I want to discuss a specific thing, and in doing that understand what Anet’s thinking is with the PVE daily system.

What i want to know is why explorable Dungeon paths aren’t part of the PVE daily system. I’m talking CM, COE, SE etc. World bosses are. Fractals are. Gathering and harvesting is. And totally pointless unproductive things like viewing/revisiting a Vista. i can see nothing consistent across all these activities that reveals why regular Dungeons aren’t in there too.

Not only would it help direct newish players towards that content, it would allow some PVE players to achieve part of their dailies through natural play, in the way that PVP players currently enjoy doing with the PVP dailies. All it needs is ‘Complete 1 explorable path from so and so Dungeon,’ and rotate through the Dungeons for different days. The PVE daily system shoudln’t be limited to a series of oblique, out of the way tasks that the average lvl 80 would otherwise not be pursuing because they are of little to no merit. But that’s currently what it is.

It’s not like the PVE Dailies have been exclusively designed to be newbie low lvl player friendly because they contain specialized advanced content in Fractals. They contain a range of activities in the PVE game mode and so should include Dungeons as Dungeons are a significant part of the PVE game type.

Instead we are directed towards mind numbing and tedious tasks which are often an insult to the intelligence of anyone above 200 AP . Too many of the tasks serve as an exercise in obedience rather than posessing any fun, interest or challenge. They are a test of how willing you are to repeatedly perform mind numbing actrivities.

If the idea is to introduce players to aspects of the game, (then fix the NPE!!) then players need to be led towards dungeons more than they need to be induced to view a vista or gather some wood. If we can range from vista viewing to Fracatals, than regular dungeons absolutely belong in the PVE daily system too.

So, help me understand. Why are they not there?

Actually, new low-level account have a different set of Dailies, that are ‘exclusively designed’ for said low-level account.

No idea about Dungeons, but it would not be something I was especially interested in. I would ignore them just as I do the Fractal offerings. /shrug

They’re not there because ANet hates dungeons. Really as simple as that.

It’s because Anet would rather pretend they don’t exist, it seems. I don’t know how true that actually is, but yeah. I’d love to see a Daily Sorrow’s Embrace Path instead of a Daily Fractal + Daily 1-10/11-20/whatever Fractal.

It seems Anet has mostly given up on Dungeons.

RoseofGilead.8907:

It’s because Anet would rather pretend they don’t exist, it seems. I don’t know how true that actually is, but yeah. I’d love to see a Daily Sorrow’s Embrace Path instead of a Daily Fractal + Daily 1-10/11-20/whatever Fractal.

dungeons/fractals should have a separate category – get fractals out of the PvE daily and make the dungeon slaves happy

Arkinos.7245:

It seems Anet has mostly given up on Dungeons.

If you look at the HoT announcements, you see that there will be something new for fractals. No hints about a new dungeon or tweaks to the existing ones. It seems Arkinos is correct.

Anet doesn’t want people seeing how broken the dungeons are since they don’t have a team that works on them anymore.

Guanglai Kangyi.4318:

Anet doesn’t want people seeing how broken the dungeons are since they don’t have a team that works on them anymore.

What do you mean by broken?

I would say they don’t want to force players into that environment (another argument), but then Fractals are part of the Daily (sometimes twice in the same Daily) so i’m kind of baffled about it as well.

It does seem odd. Why have fractals on there and not dungeons? The last time I did a fractal set, it took way longer than my favorite dungeon runs.

Dungeon dailies were what made it possible for me to get the traits bound to them – I have mostly given up on getting traits anyway but I don’t really understand that move either.

Maybe they could not think of a proper reward for a dungeon daily.

Celtic Lady.3729:

It does seem odd. Why have fractals on there and not dungeons? The last time I did a fractal set, it took way longer than my favorite dungeon runs.

Perhaps fractals are way less popular than dungeons, which made people from that design team envious and lobbying for better advertising. And dailies are a simpler way to help fractals “popularity” than fixing their rewards (which would require some actual work).

Astralporing.1957:

Celtic Lady.3729:

It does seem odd. Why have fractals on there and not dungeons? The last time I did a fractal set, it took way longer than my favorite dungeon runs.

Perhaps fractals are way less popular than dungeons, which made people from that design team envious and lobbying for better advertising. And dailies are a simpler way to help fractals “popularity” than fixing their rewards (which would require some actual work).

There’s literally no one to envy or be envious of, Anet canned their entire dungeon team.

probably because of “Hobby Dungeon” ?

azizul.8469:

probably because of “Hobby Dungeon” ?

Why would that be a reason? That’s not a daily reward thing, and once you hit 200 AP from it, you don’t get anything anymore.

Because ordinary dungeons are boring and those who do them, do them for gold anyway. Those who don’t do them will just continue to skip them doesn’t matter what.

I agree that the daily fractals level ranges need adjusting because it should be 41-50 all the time not 1-10 so i could get my daily naturally from doing my fractals 50 daily.

I have no idea. I don’t even do dungeons but I’ve always though it was weird that one type of dungeon (Fractals) gets multiple dailys while the others get none at all.

There’s a simple enough reason… dungeons are level gated (at least to an extent), but in Fractals you’re up-leveled. Since there’s no agony in 1-9 fractals, it can technically be done by anybody.

Sure, daily activity (which is in a player vs player environment) and daily mystic forge (which can be done in WvW, too) apparently have more to do with PvE, than dungeons. It makes me feel like the PvE-category is just a garbage-can where anything ends up that doesn’t really fit into PvP or WvW.

serenke.4806:

Because ordinary dungeons are boring and those who do them, do them for gold anyway.

And most of the people who do fractals do so for the gold, karma, ascended drops, or a possible fractal tonic. I don’t see the difference between that and a dungeon runner doing dungeons for gold.

Berelious.3290:

There’s a simple enough reason… dungeons are level gated (at least to an extent), but in Fractals you’re up-leveled. Since there’s no agony in 1-9 fractals, it can technically be done by anybody.

I have a new account with one level 32 and one level 20. Neither toon has Daily Fractal/Daily 1-10 Fractal/etc. as an option for their dailies, even when it IS an option on my first account (which has level 80s). So, I don’t think it’s a necessarily a case of dungeons being level gated while fractals aren’t.

Yeahhh the dailies are sort of designed to get people doing different content, and since ANet doesn’t really seem to have any plans to develop dungeons more… it might be better to not direct more players toward them. Sucks, but oh well..