Guild Wars 2

•We’ve updated the game for routine maintenance only. No content changes were included.

What was meant is that the farm spot in Malchor’s has been removed.

It’s nothing to be ashamed about, it’s a positive change for the economy. So why not just write that in the patch notes?

Can you explain to me what was the farming spot and what they changed? Just curious

…did they actually remove it?

If you mean nodes spots moved…that happens after any build anyway

You can just search the forums since there were numerous threads about it. Basically you do the Lyssa meta until you go up to the upper platform where you have the three locations secure to remove the barrier around her. The north area with the wp had these barricades you had to destroy to progress the event. If you didn’t destroy them, risen would keep respawning.

Seriously guys – did they nerf this? what did they do? 10 minutes until the office closes ;’

Ayrilana.1396:

You can just search the forums since there were numerous threads about it. Basically you do the Lyssa meta until you go up to the upper platform where you have the three locations secure to remove the barrier around her. The north area with the wp had these barricades you had to destroy to progress the event. If you didn’t destroy them, risen would keep respawning.

Thanks Ayrilana for explaining. I did not know about this. This does sound a little bit exploity. I am sure Anet does a lot of work in the background to reduce exploits or things like this. I don’t think it’s really necessary to be in the patch notes or getting upset with this.

Satoko.6352:

Ayrilana.1396:

You can just search the forums since there were numerous threads about it. Basically you do the Lyssa meta until you go up to the upper platform where you have the three locations secure to remove the barrier around her. The north area with the wp had these barricades you had to destroy to progress the event. If you didn’t destroy them, risen would keep respawning.

Thanks Ayrilana for explaining. I did not know about this. This does sound a little bit exploity. I am sure Anet does a lot of work in the background to reduce exploits or things like this. I don’t think it’s really necessary to be in the patch notes or getting upset with this.

is it an exploit to choose to not complete an event? I guess everyone can get banned.

This makes perfect sense seeing how they only want TP traders making gold…guess I going to be forced to CoF 1 zerk groups…yippie!

This is of course if they really did do this instead of just resetting the event which happens from time to time…doesn’t mean the event will not spawn again and be able to just stop at barricades again.

I guess the only way to solve this is to add endless spawning points to each map. Fair is fair. Please add for convenience a lemon stand nearby and a general merchant. Waypoint not too far off please.

Vol.5241:

Satoko.6352:

Ayrilana.1396:

You can just search the forums since there were numerous threads about it. Basically you do the Lyssa meta until you go up to the upper platform where you have the three locations secure to remove the barrier around her. The north area with the wp had these barricades you had to destroy to progress the event. If you didn’t destroy them, risen would keep respawning.

Thanks Ayrilana for explaining. I did not know about this. This does sound a little bit exploity. I am sure Anet does a lot of work in the background to reduce exploits or things like this. I don’t think it’s really necessary to be in the patch notes or getting upset with this.

is it an exploit to choose to not complete an event? I guess everyone can get banned.

It could only be an exploit if you were able to cause the event yourself to bug out…not completing it can not be considered an exploit.

Amun Ra.6435:

This makes perfect sense seeing how they only want TP traders making gold…guess I going to be forced to CoF 1 zerk groups…yippie!

This is of course if they really did do this instead of just resetting the event which happens from time to time…doesn’t mean the event will not spawn again and be able to just stop at barricades again.

That’s what I did in preparation for this. Invested in zerker gear and so far I’ve made back my investment in a week of casual cof farm.

Arenanet really seems to hate farmers, as if we are the demented cousins of other bad types of gamers, such as botters, hackers, exploiters and scammers.

Vol.5241:

Satoko.6352:

Ayrilana.1396:

You can just search the forums since there were numerous threads about it. Basically you do the Lyssa meta until you go up to the upper platform where you have the three locations secure to remove the barrier around her. The north area with the wp had these barricades you had to destroy to progress the event. If you didn’t destroy them, risen would keep respawning.

Thanks Ayrilana for explaining. I did not know about this. This does sound a little bit exploity. I am sure Anet does a lot of work in the background to reduce exploits or things like this. I don’t think it’s really necessary to be in the patch notes or getting upset with this.

is it an exploit to choose to not complete an event? I guess everyone can get banned.

You have a good argument. I did not called this an exploit, but maybe I thought it was a bit exploity, since that was not the way this event was probably designed to be played. I agree although it is nice to have some easy ways and convenience in the game at time. I definitely agree that doing this should not be banned for, but they have the rights to alter the event.

Amun Ra.6435:

Vol.5241:

Satoko.6352:

Ayrilana.1396:

You can just search the forums since there were numerous threads about it. Basically you do the Lyssa meta until you go up to the upper platform where you have the three locations secure to remove the barrier around her. The north area with the wp had these barricades you had to destroy to progress the event. If you didn’t destroy them, risen would keep respawning.

Thanks Ayrilana for explaining. I did not know about this. This does sound a little bit exploity. I am sure Anet does a lot of work in the background to reduce exploits or things like this. I don’t think it’s really necessary to be in the patch notes or getting upset with this.

is it an exploit to choose to not complete an event? I guess everyone can get banned.

It could only be an exploit if you were able to cause the event yourself to bug out…not completing it can not be considered an exploit.

I agree – there is only one event in this game where I know you can individually bug it out for unlimited mobs. But Lyssa farm is no where near this since nothing is bugged.

It wasn’t an exploit as you just chose not to finikitten. You didn’t do any glitches to prevent the event from completing. Just an oversight on their part as they didn’t consider it. It took like 7 months before people started farming it (in masses) after all.

Ayrilana.1396:

It wasn’t an exploit. Just an oversight on their part as they didn’t consider it. It took like 7 months before people started farming it (in masses) after all.

The event has actually been there since release (as with the grub farm which got recently nerfed). Only recently (in the past month) has lyssa farm become very popular.

Just goes to show that players will always find the next best thing to farm.

First it was shelt/pen. Then grub farm. Now Lyssa.

Now that we have the API’s to all events in each zone, it’ll be easier to conduct some research testing to see if there are any other events that are farmable. There is a pretty good farm chain in straights of devastation, for example, but not many people do not do it because the loot only scales to t5.

I don’t think anyone’s been banned for taking part, we’d know about it on here by now if they had! But they do have the right to fix something like that because it does sound like a bug or a way to cheat the system as such. It’s their fault that it exists though so they can’t ban people for their mistakes or at least shouldn’t, but it honestly doesn’t look like they have banned anyone.

Vol.5241:

Amun Ra.6435:

This makes perfect sense seeing how they only want TP traders making gold…guess I going to be forced to CoF 1 zerk groups…yippie!

This is of course if they really did do this instead of just resetting the event which happens from time to time…doesn’t mean the event will not spawn again and be able to just stop at barricades again.

That’s what I did in preparation for this. Invested in zerker gear and so far I’ve made back my investment in a week of casual cof farm.

Arenanet really seems to hate farmers, as if we are the demented cousins of other bad types of gamers, such as botters, hackers, exploiters and scammers.

Sitting in one spot pressing 1 with one hundred other people doing the same thing is not “farming.”

There have been numerous cases of people getting banned but only temporary after sending a note. We have also been observed by GM/devs at one point but that was 3 weeks ago

I know about them, but they were all revoked and just a case of them being stupid banning people without cause, which I’m not defending at all but just saying I haven’t heard of anything else on that line for a long time so hopefully never again. And like I said, doesn’t seem like anyone was banned this time.

Jaall.3420:

I don’t think anyone’s been banned for taking part, we’d know about it on here by now if they had! But they do have the right to fix something like that because it does sound like a bug or a way to cheat the system as such. It’s their fault that it exists though so they can’t ban people for their mistakes or at least shouldn’t, but it honestly doesn’t look like they have banned anyone.

This is exactly how I feel about it. I am sorry if I used the word exploity, I guess I have the wrong definition. I think like you said it sounds like a way to cheat the system.

I have only recently started to farm and I love it. I find myself weird for enjoying, I find it relaxing. I understand if some people are not happy with this change.

On context with the OP’s point of view. Do you find it dishonest to not report such a change?
I am not offended by this at all for this kind of situation. ( I am not saying for all situation). But generally I am not offended easily.

umm whats server are you on, cause last nite on Bg server we did a guild event and decided to open Lyssa up for the fun of it all. Sure noone has just done that and it hasn’t reset yet?

There was an update around an hour ago which said only for maintenance.

Jaall.3420:

I don’t think anyone’s been banned for taking part, we’d know about it on here by now if they had! But they do have the right to fix something like that because it does sound like a bug or a way to cheat the system as such. It’s their fault that it exists though so they can’t ban people for their mistakes or at least shouldn’t, but it honestly doesn’t look like they have banned anyone.

I disagree with the bolded part of your post.

Let’s say the devs accidentally had an event that involved recipes and the mystic forge. It was revealed that there was a certain way you could basically create gold. Based on your comment, people are free to exploit that and should not be banned since it was the devs’ fault for not foreseeing this.

Another example is that players find a way to go under the maps in dungeons and get to the final boss within 30 seconds. So the players should not be at fault for continually doing this?

While the devs to share some blame in exploit existing (a lot are unforeseeable or difficult to find due to time/resource constraints), players who choose to abuse these are much much more to blame.

Well, I think we all knew they were going to nerf it eventually.

Honestly though, if there were more varied ways to actually make money in this game then less people would gravitate toward these borderline exploits. I farmed this quite a bit over the last week.. why? Because standing there pressing ‘1’ over and over is fun? No.. because there are few to no actual legitimate ways to make gold in this game. If they would loosen the reigns a bit on the economy, fewer people would gravitate toward things like this.

Oh well, easy come.. easy go.

I agree I logged in today thinking, well I bet they got rid of this, but after reading the patch note was like ok, it’s not gone. Log in and my friends are like, man they got rid of it! I don’t believe that is a good policy for company to have. Anet please just change your patch notes to reflect what you really did?

It was never keeping ppl from completing the event. 2 dedicated ppl could complete the event in seconds. Seen it happen before. It was literally hurting no one other than TP exploiters and COF runners. How about nerfing those too? I dislike playing the TP and think COF is ridiculous so this was a nice alternative.

Honestly, I’d prefer to run a harder dungeon Arah P4, FOTM 40+ and get rewarded for the extra time, but since that will never happen back to speed running faceroll content over and over……

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_%28online_gaming%29

Game mechanics
Taking advantage of the systems that make up the gameplay. A game mechanics exploit is not a bug—it is working as designed, but at the same time is not working as intended.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/exploit

Simply put, the players are taking advantage of a poor game design in a way that was not intended.

Thus it is an exploit. No ’if’s, ’and’s or ’but’s about it.

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

I realize that the timing looks suspicious, but the maintenance update had nothing to do with the event change.

but that at the same time doesn’t mean it wasn’t changed. As that could be taken as a play on words in all due respect.

Love the game but I like farming. The majority of players would like for DR to be up front maybe even a warning showing us we are in DR like a debuff.

You guys made legendaries a grind but then punish us for doing what we are forced to do by design. A lot of the player base enjoy farming, but despise the system that is in place in a otherwise amazing game.

Thank you for reply to this thread and I hope you will reply to this post, mad respect for the GW2 Team

Deamhan.9538:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exploit_%28online_gaming%29

Game mechanics
Taking advantage of the systems that make up the gameplay. A game mechanics exploit is not a bug—it is working as designed, but at the same time is not working as intended.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/exploit

Simply put, the players are taking advantage of a poor game design in a way that was not intended.

Thus it is an exploit. No ’if’s, ’and’s or ’but’s about it.

I really wish people would stop quoting the dictionary…anyways…

This was absolutely NOT an exploit.

If a quest specified you needed to kill 10 Undead….but you killed 15 instead, accidentally or on purpose…would that be considered an exploit? Would you report yourself for doing so?

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

I realize that the timing looks suspicious, but the maintenance update had nothing to do with the event change.

Can we take this as an official statement that the event has indeed been changed?

An exploit is an abuse of an unintended design. A lot of things can be considered an exploit by definition; however, most people label an exploit by the degree of abuse. In my opinion, this lies in the grey area of an exploit. The damage done is not that significant but clearly farming the mobs from an event for like an hour is clearly unintended.

Tinboy.7954:

An exploit is an abuse of an unintended design. A lot of things can be considered an exploit by definition; however, most people label an exploit by the degree of abuse. In my opinion, this lies in the grey area of an exploit. The damage done is not that significant but clearly farming the mobs from an event for like an hour is clearly unintended.

Is farming BL keys with new chars unintended? Is running COF p1 over and over unintended? Event gone or not we shouldn’t be forced to run CoF p1 over and over to make money. Real game farmers get overly punished.

Actually the OP is correct, farmed at lyssa this morning got the regular amount of loot, this evening after the patch 10 waves no drops, 11th wave 2 porous bones.

Ayrilana.1396:

Jaall.3420:

I don’t think anyone’s been banned for taking part, we’d know about it on here by now if they had! But they do have the right to fix something like that because it does sound like a bug or a way to cheat the system as such. It’s their fault that it exists though so they can’t ban people for their mistakes or at least shouldn’t, but it honestly doesn’t look like they have banned anyone.

I disagree with the bolded part of your post.

Let’s say the devs accidentally had an event that involved recipes and the mystic forge. It was revealed that there was a certain way you could basically create gold. Based on your comment, people are free to exploit that and should not be banned since it was the devs’ fault for not foreseeing this.

Another example is that players find a way to go under the maps in dungeons and get to the final boss within 30 seconds. So the players should not be at fault for continually doing this?

While the devs to share some blame in exploit existing (a lot are unforeseeable or difficult to find due to time/resource constraints), players who choose to abuse these are much much more to blame.

Sorry, I wasn’t really being specific to anything and yea you’re right that in most cases it’s the players fault for exploiting that, I was just saying this isn’t really an exploit more of an unintended result that people found out about. It’s like the event was designed this way to make it harder but over time people get stronger and can appear in large numbers to abuse the system already in place. There would never be a system to go under the map for example. When I said “it’s their fault that it exists” I didn’t mean in general any exploit, I meant that event in particular designed as it was, or at least not as clearly obvious as most other exploits (free gold or travelling under a map).

Stealth changes breed conspiracy theories.

Every time we have an update people insist that this or that has been nerfed. Sometimes we’re right sometimes we’re wrong, but regardless, this is bad for the game; it causes confusion and mistrust.

I’m not saying that Anet must include every minor change in the update notes, but by this point in time, Anet should know which changes we would like to see listed and which changes we don’t really care about.

Lord Kuru.3685:

Stealth changes breed conspiracy theories.

Every time we have an update people insist that this or that has been nerfed. Sometimes we’re right sometimes we’re wrong, but regardless, this is bad for the game; it causes confusion and mistrust.

I’m not saying that Anet must include every minor change in the update notes, but by this point in time, Anet should know which changes we would like to see listed and which changes we don’t really care about.

Darn good point

Just another good spot to farm wiped out oh well, not surprised at all since almost every spot that people have gone in mass has be wiped out where it is almost useless to farm anymore. Why can’t they leave some of these places in? Spend more time fixing other content that needs a boost not removing a farm spot that people go to generate cash to enjoy the game!

I feel that removing the drops from the Wraiths was the best thing they could have done.

This farm spot made doing Lyssa impossible. I don’t think they have a problem with farming, I think they have a problem with people holding up events intentionally.

void.6705:

Just another good spot to farm wiped out oh well, not surprised at all since almost every spot that people have gone in mass has be wiped out where it is almost useless to farm anymore. Why can’t they leave some of these places in? Spend more time fixing other content that needs a boost not removing a farm spot that people go to generate cash to enjoy the game!

Because in this particular case, it prevented people from opening a temple they may have wanted. Nice that people want to farm but not at other people’s expense.

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

I realize that the timing looks suspicious, but the maintenance update had nothing to do with the event change.

Good or bad, this patch or another, the change occurred and unless this is some new cosmic intervention in programming I’m not aware of, there are no patch notes to reflect it so people draw your own conclusions as far as honesty.

does the first wave still give loot? I always feel disappointed when you do an event and half way through realize you’re not getting loot even though you’re doing it as intended.

Vayne.8563:

void.6705:

Just another good spot to farm wiped out oh well, not surprised at all since almost every spot that people have gone in mass has be wiped out where it is almost useless to farm anymore. Why can’t they leave some of these places in? Spend more time fixing other content that needs a boost not removing a farm spot that people go to generate cash to enjoy the game!

Because in this particular case, it prevented people from opening a temple they may have wanted. Nice that people want to farm but not at other people’s expense.

if u wanted to do the event take down the walls not like players can stop you its not WvW

Vayne.8563:

void.6705:

Just another good spot to farm wiped out oh well, not surprised at all since almost every spot that people have gone in mass has be wiped out where it is almost useless to farm anymore. Why can’t they leave some of these places in? Spend more time fixing other content that needs a boost not removing a farm spot that people go to generate cash to enjoy the game!

Because in this particular case, it prevented people from opening a temple they may have wanted. Nice that people want to farm but not at other people’s expense.

This in no way kept people from opening up the temple.

If a group of people really wanted to open the temple all they would have to do is finish the event. Simple as that.

No hard feelings on either side.

Dangbat.2804:

I feel that removing the drops from the Wraiths was the best thing they could have done.

This farm spot made doing Lyssa impossible. I don’t think they have a problem with farming, I think they have a problem with people holding up events intentionally.

I disagree ive seen people come in clear the walls and do the event and farmers find another server that doesnt to lyssa much thats all.. farming wasnt holding the event up in anyway

Vlad Morbius.1759:

Jeffrey Vaughn.1793:

I realize that the timing looks suspicious, but the maintenance update had nothing to do with the event change.

Good or bad, this patch or another, the change occurred and unless this is some new cosmic intervention in programming I’m not aware of, there are no patch notes to reflect it so people draw your own conclusions as far as honesty.

No developer documents every change. This one was probably hot fixed, meaning it was implemented without a patch client side so the need for patch notes isn’t as important.

void.6705:

Vayne.8563:

void.6705:

Just another good spot to farm wiped out oh well, not surprised at all since almost every spot that people have gone in mass has be wiped out where it is almost useless to farm anymore. Why can’t they leave some of these places in? Spend more time fixing other content that needs a boost not removing a farm spot that people go to generate cash to enjoy the game!

Because in this particular case, it prevented people from opening a temple they may have wanted. Nice that people want to farm but not at other people’s expense.

if u wanted to do the event take down the walls not like players can stop you its not WvW

It’s a lot harder if you’re solo. And of course as soon as you try it, people start yelling at you…for some people that’s fine. There have been several comments in various threads about people who have been bad-mouthed because they tried to do the chain.

Most of them walk away. You might continue to do it anyway, but it annoys a lot of people.

Vayne.8563:

void.6705:

Vayne.8563:

void.6705:

Just another good spot to farm wiped out oh well, not surprised at all since almost every spot that people have gone in mass has be wiped out where it is almost useless to farm anymore. Why can’t they leave some of these places in? Spend more time fixing other content that needs a boost not removing a farm spot that people go to generate cash to enjoy the game!

Because in this particular case, it prevented people from opening a temple they may have wanted. Nice that people want to farm but not at other people’s expense.

if u wanted to do the event take down the walls not like players can stop you its not WvW

It’s a lot harder if you’re solo. And of course as soon as you try it, people start yelling at you…for some people that’s fine. There have been several comments in various threads about people who have been bad-mouthed because they tried to do the chain.

Most of them walk away. You might continue to do it anyway, but it annoys a lot of people.

Agreed if your there to do the event I would be kitten ed if people yelled at me for doing an event while they wanted to farm. But that’s really isn’t why this was changed and I think we all know that. Only time I would see people yell is when people would kill walls on purpose and leave and not do the event or just come in to ruin the farm.

Ayrilana.1396:

You can just search the forums since there were numerous threads about it. Basically you do the Lyssa meta until you go up to the upper platform where you have the three locations secure to remove the barrier around her. The north area with the wp had these barricades you had to destroy to progress the event. If you didn’t destroy them, risen would keep respawning.

still possible to do this. Stopped farmers in Underworld very recently.

Amun Ra.6435:

I really wish people would stop quoting the dictionary…anyways…

This was absolutely NOT an exploit.

If a quest specified you needed to kill 10 Undead….but you killed 15 instead, accidentally or on purpose…would that be considered an exploit? Would you report yourself for doing so?

Right, because making sure a word is used properly never helps things :p

This is quite simply a game design/mechanics exploit. Not saying that if it was a crime it’d be a life sentence type crime or even just a “minor” felony (this type would be a misdemeanor). While I don’t doubt this will get changed (probably just remove the drops/exp) I don’t see them banning anyone over it.