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Posted by: Dristig.9678

Dristig.9678

Q:

Specifically the time gating? I’m one of the many that wasn’t interested in Fractals but is interested in Raids. I have Ascended weapons and Trinkets but never saw a need for the armor.

Now I’m trying to get ready for raids but have to wonder why the totally arbitrary crafting cooldowns still exist?

Additionally it’d be nice if someone looked at the absurd price of light armor compared to the other sets.

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Posted by: Calcifire.1864

Calcifire.1864

hell, it would be nice if they looked at the stupid amount of silk needed full stop

medium armor needs 7200 silk scraps

heavy armor needs 7500 silk scraps

light armor needs 10800 silk scraps.

the amount of mats needed is just plain unreasonable

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Posted by: Zaron.1987

Zaron.1987

Hell the same topic since two years

i am really tired of it

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Posted by: Sephas.8793

Sephas.8793

Specifically the time gating? I’m one of the many that wasn’t interested in Fractals but is interested in Raids. I have Ascended weapons and Trinkets but never saw a need for the armor.

Now I’m trying to get ready for raids but have to wonder why the totally arbitrary crafting cooldowns still exist?

Additionally it’d be nice if someone looked at the absurd price of light armor compared to the other sets.

This is why I have been using my silk to craft spools of silk weaving thread whenever I have 100 bolts. And crafting lumps of mithrilium, elder spirit residue, and Elonian cord until I had a few stashed away. Even if I don’t use them in the future for my alts, I can consider them an investment, since their prices (once crafted into the tradeable variant) have gone down very little.

Making these items once a day is no big deal if you plan ahead and think about what you may want to do in the future.

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Posted by: Draknar.5748

Draknar.5748

There’s only a time gate on the crafting materials. You are more than able to fast track the entire process by simply buying the finished Ascended mats on the TP, so it isn’t really time gated to craft pieces if you wanted to knock out an entire set in one day.

I won’t stop because I can’t stop.

It’s a medical condition, they say its terminal….

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Posted by: Senario.2038

Senario.2038

It would be great if they would change up how many of each material you would need for armor.

For example how to change it:
Heavy uses mostly deldrimor steel and some Elonian Square.
Medium uses a low amount of everything.
Light uses Bolt of Damask and some Elonian square like it does now.

Also, Normalize the amount of silk used to craft spool of silk weaving thread to 50 bolts to match how much leather and mithril you need for elonian leather cord and lump of mithrillium. Also matches Elder spirit wood essence.

But since it has been this way for a while they probably won’t change it =/.

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Posted by: Illconceived Was Na.9781

Illconceived Was Na.9781

There’s only a time gate on the crafting materials. You are more than able to fast track the entire process by simply buying the finished Ascended mats on the TP, so it isn’t really time gated to craft pieces if you wanted to knock out an entire set in one day.

What I recommend is:

  • Put in aggressive buy orders for the time-gated mats you need.
  • In a few days, you have all you need.
  • Continue to craft your own time-gated stuff, but now sell at aggressive sell prices.

That ends up breaking-even at worst and often making some coin, except if you are unlucky to buy right after a market spike (and sell after it renormalizes). Even then, the premium you spend is pretty low, compared to crafting it all yourself.

An alternative is borrowing the time-gated mats from a close friend, who is willing to take a 1:1 replacement over time. I’ve done that a few times — the mats aren’t making me any money while they sit in my bank, so I’m happy to lend them out.

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Posted by: Linfang.1087

Linfang.1087

The problem with Ascended crafting is when they designed it, they looked at the current market and based it off that to determine what materials were needed. It did not help with the botting crisis that the flood of mats on the TP were driven down to a dime a dozen for many things.

So when Devs seen half a billion silk sitting on the market they thought “Oh! let’s include that!”

And today we continue to suffer with the poor design decisions they made back then.

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Posted by: Khisanth.2948

Khisanth.2948

The problem with Ascended crafting is when they designed it, they looked at the current market and based it off that to determine what materials were needed. It did not help with the botting crisis that the flood of mats on the TP were driven down to a dime a dozen for many things.

So when Devs seen half a billion silk sitting on the market they thought “Oh! let’s include that!”

And today we continue to suffer with the poor design decisions they made back then.

Looks like the same method is being used for guild upgrades.

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Posted by: Coulter.2315

Coulter.2315

Specifically the time gating? I’m one of the many that wasn’t interested in Fractals but is interested in Raids. I have Ascended weapons and Trinkets but never saw a need for the armor.

Now I’m trying to get ready for raids but have to wonder why the totally arbitrary crafting cooldowns still exist?

Additionally it’d be nice if someone looked at the absurd price of light armor compared to the other sets.

You have 37 days to craft until Raids come out – time gating is not an issue for you.

Also the CD is not arbitrary it was chosen to keep values up while still allowing progress towards crafting each day.

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Posted by: Senario.2038

Senario.2038

Specifically the time gating? I’m one of the many that wasn’t interested in Fractals but is interested in Raids. I have Ascended weapons and Trinkets but never saw a need for the armor.

Now I’m trying to get ready for raids but have to wonder why the totally arbitrary crafting cooldowns still exist?

Additionally it’d be nice if someone looked at the absurd price of light armor compared to the other sets.

You have 37 days to craft until Raids come out – time gating is not an issue for you.

Also the CD is not arbitrary it was chosen to keep values up while still allowing progress towards crafting each day.

A lot of people are coming back to the game for HoT, a few more have just started due to f2p. In the big picture you have 37 days to get enough materials and laurels for full ascended set of trinkets/weapons ect and that is assuming you have the time or the money to buy materials. And of course you have to get the stats right as supposedly all zerk won’t work in HoT.

As a note, it takes 36 bolts of damask for one set of light armor that is 36 days.

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Posted by: Coulter.2315

Coulter.2315

Specifically the time gating? I’m one of the many that wasn’t interested in Fractals but is interested in Raids. I have Ascended weapons and Trinkets but never saw a need for the armor.

Now I’m trying to get ready for raids but have to wonder why the totally arbitrary crafting cooldowns still exist?

Additionally it’d be nice if someone looked at the absurd price of light armor compared to the other sets.

You have 37 days to craft until Raids come out – time gating is not an issue for you.

Also the CD is not arbitrary it was chosen to keep values up while still allowing progress towards crafting each day.

A lot of people are coming back to the game for HoT, a few more have just started due to f2p. In the big picture you have 37 days to get enough materials and laurels for full ascended set of trinkets/weapons ect and that is assuming you have the time or the money to buy materials. And of course you have to get the stats right as supposedly all zerk won’t work in HoT.

As a note, it takes 36 bolts of damask for one set of light armor that is 36 days.

So you aren’t being stopped by time gate, you’re being stopped by other things. Don’t blame the time gate if you aren’t being touched by it.

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Posted by: Senario.2038

Senario.2038

Specifically the time gating? I’m one of the many that wasn’t interested in Fractals but is interested in Raids. I have Ascended weapons and Trinkets but never saw a need for the armor.

Now I’m trying to get ready for raids but have to wonder why the totally arbitrary crafting cooldowns still exist?

Additionally it’d be nice if someone looked at the absurd price of light armor compared to the other sets.

You have 37 days to craft until Raids come out – time gating is not an issue for you.

Also the CD is not arbitrary it was chosen to keep values up while still allowing progress towards crafting each day.

A lot of people are coming back to the game for HoT, a few more have just started due to f2p. In the big picture you have 37 days to get enough materials and laurels for full ascended set of trinkets/weapons ect and that is assuming you have the time or the money to buy materials. And of course you have to get the stats right as supposedly all zerk won’t work in HoT.

As a note, it takes 36 bolts of damask for one set of light armor that is 36 days.

So you aren’t being stopped by time gate, you’re being stopped by other things. Don’t blame the time gate if you aren’t being touched by it.

Not blaming the time gate, I’m saying that it is unreasonable to expect returning players and players who didn’t go beyond exotic to go get Ascended gear just to go into raids with the “appropriate” gear. Even more so that Anet said that ascended would be optional, when clearly now it isn’t.

Did you even read my previous post? Time gating for raids is unfortunate but the problems are much further reaching than just time gate. Again the amount of materials needed is a little insane and requiring it when they said specifically that it would be optional is irresponsible.

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Posted by: Coulter.2315

Coulter.2315

Specifically the time gating? I’m one of the many that wasn’t interested in Fractals but is interested in Raids. I have Ascended weapons and Trinkets but never saw a need for the armor.

Now I’m trying to get ready for raids but have to wonder why the totally arbitrary crafting cooldowns still exist?

Additionally it’d be nice if someone looked at the absurd price of light armor compared to the other sets.

You have 37 days to craft until Raids come out – time gating is not an issue for you.

Also the CD is not arbitrary it was chosen to keep values up while still allowing progress towards crafting each day.

A lot of people are coming back to the game for HoT, a few more have just started due to f2p. In the big picture you have 37 days to get enough materials and laurels for full ascended set of trinkets/weapons ect and that is assuming you have the time or the money to buy materials. And of course you have to get the stats right as supposedly all zerk won’t work in HoT.

As a note, it takes 36 bolts of damask for one set of light armor that is 36 days.

So you aren’t being stopped by time gate, you’re being stopped by other things. Don’t blame the time gate if you aren’t being touched by it.

Not blaming the time gate, I’m saying that it is unreasonable to expect returning players and players who didn’t go beyond exotic to go get Ascended gear just to go into raids with the “appropriate” gear. Even more so that Anet said that ascended would be optional, when clearly now it isn’t.

Did you even read my previous post? Time gating for raids is unfortunate but the problems are much further reaching than just time gate. Again the amount of materials needed is a little insane and requiring it when they said specifically that it would be optional is irresponsible.

You replied to this :

“You have 37 days to craft until Raids come out – time gating is not an issue for you.

Also the CD is not arbitrary it was chosen to keep values up while still allowing progress towards crafting each day."

Are you now not addressing this point? Oh good, I knew I was right.

As for your “Ascended is expensive, people can’t Raid immediately in the very best gear” – you are correct they won’t be able to afford the very best gear immediately.

You are some how expecting the best gear in game to be thrown at you for cheap cheap? Hmmm is that your position? Cause you’ve changed from “help time gate!” to “help expensive!” where are we going with this xD Free cake?

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Posted by: Senario.2038

Senario.2038

Specifically the time gating? I’m one of the many that wasn’t interested in Fractals but is interested in Raids. I have Ascended weapons and Trinkets but never saw a need for the armor.

Now I’m trying to get ready for raids but have to wonder why the totally arbitrary crafting cooldowns still exist?

Additionally it’d be nice if someone looked at the absurd price of light armor compared to the other sets.

You have 37 days to craft until Raids come out – time gating is not an issue for you.

Also the CD is not arbitrary it was chosen to keep values up while still allowing progress towards crafting each day.

A lot of people are coming back to the game for HoT, a few more have just started due to f2p. In the big picture you have 37 days to get enough materials and laurels for full ascended set of trinkets/weapons ect and that is assuming you have the time or the money to buy materials. And of course you have to get the stats right as supposedly all zerk won’t work in HoT.

As a note, it takes 36 bolts of damask for one set of light armor that is 36 days.

So you aren’t being stopped by time gate, you’re being stopped by other things. Don’t blame the time gate if you aren’t being touched by it.

Not blaming the time gate, I’m saying that it is unreasonable to expect returning players and players who didn’t go beyond exotic to go get Ascended gear just to go into raids with the “appropriate” gear. Even more so that Anet said that ascended would be optional, when clearly now it isn’t.

Did you even read my previous post? Time gating for raids is unfortunate but the problems are much further reaching than just time gate. Again the amount of materials needed is a little insane and requiring it when they said specifically that it would be optional is irresponsible.

You replied to this :

“You have 37 days to craft until Raids come out – time gating is not an issue for you.

Also the CD is not arbitrary it was chosen to keep values up while still allowing progress towards crafting each day."

Are you now not addressing this point? Oh good, I knew I was right.

As for your “Ascended is expensive, people can’t Raid immediately in the very best gear” – you are correct they won’t be able to afford the very best gear immediately.

You are some how expecting the best gear in game to be thrown at you for cheap cheap? Hmmm is that your position? Cause you’ve changed from “help time gate!” to “help expensive!” where are we going with this xD Free cake?

Alright, if you don’t want to have a legitimate discussion and want to just mock me that is fine. You clearly think that going against what GW2 has been doing in the past is right. That the game should be playing the game and not working up to playing the game.

I did not change my position.

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Posted by: Coulter.2315

Coulter.2315

Specifically the time gating? I’m one of the many that wasn’t interested in Fractals but is interested in Raids. I have Ascended weapons and Trinkets but never saw a need for the armor.

Now I’m trying to get ready for raids but have to wonder why the totally arbitrary crafting cooldowns still exist?

Additionally it’d be nice if someone looked at the absurd price of light armor compared to the other sets.

You have 37 days to craft until Raids come out – time gating is not an issue for you.

Also the CD is not arbitrary it was chosen to keep values up while still allowing progress towards crafting each day.

A lot of people are coming back to the game for HoT, a few more have just started due to f2p. In the big picture you have 37 days to get enough materials and laurels for full ascended set of trinkets/weapons ect and that is assuming you have the time or the money to buy materials. And of course you have to get the stats right as supposedly all zerk won’t work in HoT.

As a note, it takes 36 bolts of damask for one set of light armor that is 36 days.

So you aren’t being stopped by time gate, you’re being stopped by other things. Don’t blame the time gate if you aren’t being touched by it.

Not blaming the time gate, I’m saying that it is unreasonable to expect returning players and players who didn’t go beyond exotic to go get Ascended gear just to go into raids with the “appropriate” gear. Even more so that Anet said that ascended would be optional, when clearly now it isn’t.

Did you even read my previous post? Time gating for raids is unfortunate but the problems are much further reaching than just time gate. Again the amount of materials needed is a little insane and requiring it when they said specifically that it would be optional is irresponsible.

You replied to this :

“You have 37 days to craft until Raids come out – time gating is not an issue for you.

Also the CD is not arbitrary it was chosen to keep values up while still allowing progress towards crafting each day."

Are you now not addressing this point? Oh good, I knew I was right.

As for your “Ascended is expensive, people can’t Raid immediately in the very best gear” – you are correct they won’t be able to afford the very best gear immediately.

You are some how expecting the best gear in game to be thrown at you for cheap cheap? Hmmm is that your position? Cause you’ve changed from “help time gate!” to “help expensive!” where are we going with this xD Free cake?

Alright, if you don’t want to have a legitimate discussion and want to just mock me that is fine. You clearly think that going against what GW2 has been doing in the past is right. That the game should be playing the game and not working up to playing the game.

I did not change my position.

Ascended Armour has existed for 2 years. New players or returning ones who quit within 1 year of release won’t get to play Raids with maximum stats immediately – they’ll have a small reduction in effectiveness while they play. This is a nonissue…

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Posted by: Cyninja.2954

Cyninja.2954

Timegating is fine. How long has ascended armor been in game now? 2 years? If you want to instantly craft it, spend the extre gold fee on the trading post.

Not only that, but the items drop left and right now in current endgame pve content (fractals). You don’t seriously expect to succeed in raids if you haven’t even bothered with clearing this easier content?

This “But I want it NOW NOW NOW!” attitude of people needs to end.

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Posted by: Sizer.3987

Sizer.3987

Unless agony resist was confirmed as required for raids (i dont think it was, at least not yet), you still really dont need armor. If full ascended is a 10% stat gain then like 8% of that is weapons/jewelry, and the odds of wiping in a raid because youre missing 2% stats is like .0001%, so dont bother if you dont want to.

Also completing luminescent armor is 1 piece, and I would bet on more guaranteed ways to get pieces in the future, so again, dont bother for now. Though I would start crafting 1 damask a day, either to use if you do decide to make it or to sell.

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Posted by: Balsa.3951

Balsa.3951

Specifically the time gating? I’m one of the many that wasn’t interested in Fractals but is interested in Raids. I have Ascended weapons and Trinkets but never saw a need for the armor.

Now I’m trying to get ready for raids but have to wonder why the totally arbitrary crafting cooldowns still exist?

Additionally it’d be nice if someone looked at the absurd price of light armor compared to the other sets.

this absurd price will get more extreme soon when HOT Raids hit and full ascended gear checks start

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Posted by: Redenaz.8631

Redenaz.8631

Don’t get too worked up over “needing ascended gear for raids” yet. Skeptical though I am that raids will be that finely balanced, even if they are, the final raid wings won’t even be open at launch, since they’re trying to ease people into HoT, and raids.

Should you start making your time gated materials now? Sure. But let’s wait and see what we’re getting into before we complain about how unreasonable it is. If raids start and they’re impossible without perfectly-selected ascended gear, we can flip out about it then.

As for the time gate, it helps give crafting players something of value to craft. Crazy silk prices aside, the system seems to be working at intended.

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Posted by: Dristig.9678

Dristig.9678

Timegating is fine. How long has ascended armor been in game now? 2 years? If you want to instantly craft it, spend the extre gold fee on the trading post.

Not only that, but the items drop left and right now in current endgame pve content (fractals). You don’t seriously expect to succeed in raids if you haven’t even bothered with clearing this easier content?

This “But I want it NOW NOW NOW!” attitude of people needs to end.

The Now Now Now attitude is not a result of people wanting armor it is a result of the requirement for Ascended Armor in the Raids. There has never been a time gated lockout mechanic for game content in this game. The idea that they are adding one in Raids is disgusting. That’s why the easiest thing to do is remove the time gating on the materials.

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Posted by: Redenaz.8631

Redenaz.8631

Before we start throwing around words like “disgusting,” maybe we should wait and see just how necessary they are?

I still think the time-gate is a good thing. If you want ascended gear immediately, you can buy components from other players, who have something of value to craft and sell. You’re not locked out of anything, and it’s not totally arbitrary.

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Posted by: Dristig.9678

Dristig.9678

How can you call a fabricated time gate anything but arbitrary? If it was based on the game market that wouldn’t be arbitrary. The only point for it after two years is to keep the price high. Keeping the price high is still more punishment for people that didn’t care about high end fractals but are interested in Raids.

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Posted by: Bomber.3872

Bomber.3872

The crafting time limit is the best crafting design decision anet made. Greatest thing is, people that play the game for a while get a nice little extra income regulary and people that only play for a limited timeframe can just buy everything of the tp for gold or $$.

Luckly anet won’t change anything about it with HoT. It’s awesome like it is right now!

Let’s hope the new crafting disciple (for guilds) and new items for asc/legy gear will all be easy to get but timegated for 3-6 month.
All the gold you can make would be awesome!

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Posted by: Redenaz.8631

Redenaz.8631

How can you call a fabricated time gate anything but arbitrary? If it was based on the game market that wouldn’t be arbitrary. The only point for it after two years is to keep the price high. Keeping the price high is still more punishment for people that didn’t care about high end fractals but are interested in Raids.

It’s not arbitrary because it’s serving a purpose, which is to give crafters something worth crafting. Is it an artificial restriction? Yes. That doesn’t make it bad.

I think ascended crafting costs too much, but that’s because of high silk requirements, not the time gate.

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