Guild Wars 2

This is not rage tread and im not quitting (yet),but im glad i didn’t pre-purchase HOT since every day i feel like quitting this game.WvW since the last big patch is soo broken…that i didn’t saw such a broken combat since Jade Dinasty.They destroyed our builds,made just a few viable builds that you must play or else you get with 1 shot.

Elementalist is broken the most,its soo overpowered that is beyond words,it does not have weak spot at all,strong in def – strong in attack.
Condition mesmers – dont even bother to pvp them,2 spells and you are dead.You cant spam condition clear as much as they can broken conditions.( I have fully geared mesmer)
Thiefs got nerfed againd…..Yes they got huge dmg now but they are squishy that cant do anything unless they play our fabulous meta(glass) build.Survivability is gone.Thief can 1 shot kill him,mesmer can do as well,every aoe class counters stealth and burst you in just 1 sec.D/D is dead.
Entire combat in this game become just like on Jade Dinasty,who hits you first wins.In this game now you literally can kill squishy classes with 1 or 2 spells ( no need to even combo anymore)

I love this game,i play it for 3 years now,i didn’t mind bugs,or no content or anything as much as this and this is literally my first “complain” tread on forums.I play MMO’s cause of PVP and now PVP is here dead for me.
I got tired of trying to WvW with 3 different classes and that same players kill me with ease by using 2-3 buttons,wile i need to work hard to even do a bit dmg (playing the way i like)
I hope Anet returns traits the way they were before,where every class could play offensive or deffensive.Playing squishy classes and been killed by 2 aoe spells does not make combat fun,it makes it vary frustrating for players that dont want to play meta builds.
I know my English is not perfect,yeah it is broken,bot not even a bit as this game is right now.

If a condi mesmer is really killing you in a total of 2 attacks, you might want to look at your build/what you are doing. I’m not saying condi mes isn’t strong, it’s just not as strong as the hyperbole in this thread.

The balance isn’t perfect, but it’s not as end of the world, gloom n doom bad as you are attempting to make it sound.

Every one has there own views on what class is good or not and there are build you did not even talk about that are way stronger but this has nothing to do with combat being broken. The combat in GW2 is one of the best in mmorpg its better then most arpg.

Combat is not broken… GW2 has one of the best if not best, fluid,fast,dynamic combat systems in the MMORGsphere

Class Balancing (traits, some skills, burning etc etc) IS the problem… and in that case, we just gotta be patient.. the meta will shift, as it always does, but anet is notoriously slow with class balancing.

WvW since the last big patch is soo broken…

Unfortunately the devs do NOT balance the game around WvW, not even the least bit. It’s PVP → PVE →>>> WvW balance. There is a rumor going on that after HoT is released they will focus on WvW more, so maybe they will also address the long standing balance problems of WvW.

WvW is the hardest to balance because it is combat between players, but it uses the PVE build system and it includes lots of buffs, food buffs, bloodlust etc that make a “balanced” nearly impossible. Unless for example if your opponent has + condi duration food buff you have – condi duration food buff to keep it balanced.

While this isn’t the case in PVP because they use the more “balanced” Amulets there, in WvW Ascended armor, infusions, food, bloodlust, guard kill bonuses don’t make it easy to balance.

What they really did was take away the luxury of certain OP builds, but didn’t do anything to boot strap the Professions that were lacking trait synergy.

And thats really what you’re seeing now….. Classes with good trait synergy still have them, but classes that made themselves viable through trait diversity no longer have access to valuable combinations. And since most builds get the majority of their defenses through traits alone, there was a compounded effect felt by the across the board increase in baseline power when they shifted stats entirely into the gear sets.

The new interface is actually significantly better….. but if the trait synergy isn’t there, or spread across too many trait lines, its impossible to see the benefits of it. Theres also a problem with Theme adherence that’s preventing logically paired traits to be used together, and are instead being exclusive choices. Guardians are excellent examples of both ends of this spectrum. They have access to a ton of burning and excellent trait synergy with their weapon skills. But their Weapon and Utility traits are exclusive to each other in very illogical ways. For instances, you can’t trait Symbols and Shouts in the same build, despite them perfectly complimenting each other mechanically…. they’d also make the basis for an insanely effective support build. But with Writ and PoV being in the same GM line, theres NO reason to not trait damage on whats primarily a support build. The only utility that has any independence is consecrations… which is one big reason you seem them as the premiere support option for Guardians.

Miku.6297:

If a condi mesmer is really killing you in a total of 2 attacks, you might want to look at your build/what you are doing. I’m not saying condi mes isn’t strong, it’s just not as strong as the hyperbole in this thread.

The balance isn’t perfect, but it’s not as end of the world, gloom n doom bad as you are attempting to make it sound.

oh they are very very strong. there’s a reason why the mesmer forums are in fiesta mode right now and some their own want a nerf in their own class. You don’t see that everyday in a class subforum. Also why 80% of roamers you’ll ever meet are pretty much their class nowadays. I won’t expound more to escape potential drama and that i find the official forums quite unnecessarily toxic as of the moment.

it’s certainly not doom and gloom but the gigantic class bandwagon towards the meta is very very real. As to why no action has been taken, my guess is as good as my pet dog’s. and he’s usually right and very negative.

I had many cases that really made me want to quit this game,for example.
- Once i fought engineer in duel with my theif ( i use valk gear).All he did to kill me was this,he put few traps or whatever it was,then he use pull to drag me in and BOOM – dead.I did not even stand the chance
- There was mesmer in WvW that bombard me with torment,how to defend torment with Thief?Remove condition in stealth removes torment in like 3-4 sec staying in stealth,since it first removes poison and other useless stuff that no1 use anymore and you cant possible remove them all.He also had more stealth then me so was impossible to counter
-There was mesmer that vanish in front of me and then BOOM,i drop dead.I dont know what he done but i didn’t even saw it coming,it was less then 2 sec he killed me.
Even when i play with mesmer same happens,i have more survivability but that is cause i play meta shatter/PU build.
Before last big (LA) patch,there were just 2 classes that were OP – Guardian and Warrior.Now Guardian and Warrior are well balanced but lots of classes are broken and OP.

godofcows.2451:

oh they are very very strong. there’s a reason why the mesmer forums are in fiesta mode right now and some their own want a nerf in their own class. You don’t see that everyday in a class subforum. Also why 80% of roamers you’ll ever meet are pretty much their class nowadays. I won’t expound more to escape potential drama and that i find the official forums quite unnecessarily toxic as of the moment.

it’s certainly not doom and gloom but the gigantic class bandwagon towards the meta is very very real. As to why no action has been taken, my guess is as good as my pet dog’s. and he’s usually right and very negative.

Are they killing people in “2 spells”? With recent fixes it’s gone down a bit since the initial spec release.

Only been in wvw a few hours since the last patch, most of the roamers I meet were thieves and ranges ^^;.

The point of my response wasn’t to say it hasn’t been strong, I was simply saying the OP’s post had alot of hyperbole without a lot of facts.

Miku.6297:

godofcows.2451:

oh they are very very strong. there’s a reason why the mesmer forums are in fiesta mode right now and some their own want a nerf in their own class. You don’t see that everyday in a class subforum. Also why 80% of roamers you’ll ever meet are pretty much their class nowadays. I won’t expound more to escape potential drama and that i find the official forums quite unnecessarily toxic as of the moment.

it’s certainly not doom and gloom but the gigantic class bandwagon towards the meta is very very real. As to why no action has been taken, my guess is as good as my pet dog’s. and he’s usually right and very negative.

Are they killing people in “2 spells”? With recent fixes it’s gone down a bit since the initial spec release.

Only been in wvw a few hours since the last patch, most of the roamers I meet were thieves and ranges ^^;.

The point of my response wasn’t to say it hasn’t been strong, I was simply saying the OP’s post had alot of hyperbole without a lot of facts.

You want facts lol,make thief,mesmer and stand in front of enemy ele,eng,thief,mesmer,condi user and tell me how much it took him to kill u.I tell u in front,2 sec the most.Perhaps condi cant kill you in 2 sec,but you cant defend against torment so you doom’d anyway.

saalle.4623:

I had many cases that really made me want to quit this game,for example.
- Once i fought engineer in duel with my theif ( i use valk gear).All he did to kill me was this,he put few traps or whatever it was,then he use pull to drag me in and BOOM – dead.I did not even stand the chance
- There was mesmer in WvW that bombard me with torment,how to defend torment with Thief?Remove condition in stealth removes torment in like 3-4 sec staying in stealth,since it first removes poison and other useless stuff that no1 use anymore and you cant possible remove them all.He also had more stealth then me so was impossible to counter
-There was mesmer that vanish in front of me and then BOOM,i drop dead.I dont know what he done but i didn’t even saw it coming,it was less then 2 sec he killed me.
Even when i play with mesmer same happens,i have more survivability but that is cause i play meta shatter/PU build.
Before last big (LA) patch,there were just 2 classes that were OP – Guardian and Warrior.Now Guardian and Warrior are well balanced but lots of classes are broken and OP.

Sounds more like inexperience. You’re a Thief, you have mobility, use it.
Why didn’t you dodge the Engi pull? Why didn’t you run away from your best counter(conditions)?
Why didn’t you stealth when you saw the Mesmer? The only way he can have more is if he has PU, which probably means he doesn’t have the sustain Inspiration brings.

the patch….will come….but juz a matter of when….
i remember it took then 2 years to fix something and pretty sure 2 years is understatement because there are bugs still not fixed for 3 years

saalle.4623:

Miku.6297:

godofcows.2451:

oh they are very very strong. there’s a reason why the mesmer forums are in fiesta mode right now and some their own want a nerf in their own class. You don’t see that everyday in a class subforum. Also why 80% of roamers you’ll ever meet are pretty much their class nowadays. I won’t expound more to escape potential drama and that i find the official forums quite unnecessarily toxic as of the moment.

it’s certainly not doom and gloom but the gigantic class bandwagon towards the meta is very very real. As to why no action has been taken, my guess is as good as my pet dog’s. and he’s usually right and very negative.

Are they killing people in “2 spells”? With recent fixes it’s gone down a bit since the initial spec release.

Only been in wvw a few hours since the last patch, most of the roamers I meet were thieves and ranges ^^;.

The point of my response wasn’t to say it hasn’t been strong, I was simply saying the OP’s post had alot of hyperbole without a lot of facts.

You want facts lol,make thief,mesmer and stand in front of enemy ele,eng,thief,mesmer,condi user and tell me how much it took him to kill u.I tell u in front,2 sec the most.Perhaps condi cant kill you in 2 sec,but you cant defend against torment so you doom’d anyway.

So a class with no protection or damage reduction is dying quickly to zerkers? What a surprise! Also, Torment isn’t terribly strong. Sounds like you don’t know how Mesmer Scepter works.

Malchior.5732:

saalle.4623:

I had many cases that really made me want to quit this game,for example.
- Once i fought engineer in duel with my theif ( i use valk gear).All he did to kill me was this,he put few traps or whatever it was,then he use pull to drag me in and BOOM – dead.I did not even stand the chance
- There was mesmer in WvW that bombard me with torment,how to defend torment with Thief?Remove condition in stealth removes torment in like 3-4 sec staying in stealth,since it first removes poison and other useless stuff that no1 use anymore and you cant possible remove them all.He also had more stealth then me so was impossible to counter
-There was mesmer that vanish in front of me and then BOOM,i drop dead.I dont know what he done but i didn’t even saw it coming,it was less then 2 sec he killed me.
Even when i play with mesmer same happens,i have more survivability but that is cause i play meta shatter/PU build.
Before last big (LA) patch,there were just 2 classes that were OP – Guardian and Warrior.Now Guardian and Warrior are well balanced but lots of classes are broken and OP.

Sounds more like inexperience. You’re a Thief, you have mobility, use it.
Why didn’t you dodge the Engi pull? Why didn’t you run away from your best counter(conditions)?
Why didn’t you stealth when you saw the Mesmer? The only way he can have more is if he has PU, which probably means he doesn’t have the sustain Inspiration brings.

Man i play this game for 3 years and i was fighting with my theif 1vs3 and could WIN.Now you tell me to run from conditions?HTH you run from conditions??You cant possible dodge as much as he can hit you.And running from torment is not really best idea…wile staying and waiting for shatter is not as well..
Even if i dodged through engi pull he would still aoe kill me since im too squishy,all he need to do is wait on traps and use range on me.
Even if you call this inexperience….is it good for an MMO that 1 missed dodge decide battle?Is it right to kill some1 without even making an combo?Heh

saalle.4623:

Malchior.5732:

saalle.4623:

I had many cases that really made me want to quit this game,for example.
- Once i fought engineer in duel with my theif ( i use valk gear).All he did to kill me was this,he put few traps or whatever it was,then he use pull to drag me in and BOOM – dead.I did not even stand the chance
- There was mesmer in WvW that bombard me with torment,how to defend torment with Thief?Remove condition in stealth removes torment in like 3-4 sec staying in stealth,since it first removes poison and other useless stuff that no1 use anymore and you cant possible remove them all.He also had more stealth then me so was impossible to counter
-There was mesmer that vanish in front of me and then BOOM,i drop dead.I dont know what he done but i didn’t even saw it coming,it was less then 2 sec he killed me.
Even when i play with mesmer same happens,i have more survivability but that is cause i play meta shatter/PU build.
Before last big (LA) patch,there were just 2 classes that were OP – Guardian and Warrior.Now Guardian and Warrior are well balanced but lots of classes are broken and OP.

Sounds more like inexperience. You’re a Thief, you have mobility, use it.
Why didn’t you dodge the Engi pull? Why didn’t you run away from your best counter(conditions)?
Why didn’t you stealth when you saw the Mesmer? The only way he can have more is if he has PU, which probably means he doesn’t have the sustain Inspiration brings.

Man i play this game for 3 years and i was fighting with my theif 1vs3 and could WIN.Now you tell me to run from conditions?HTH you run from conditions??You cant possible dodge as much as he can hit you.
Even if i dodged through engi pull he would still aoe kill me since im too squishy,all he need to do is wait on traps and use range on me.
Even if you call this inexperience….is it good for an MMO that 1 missed dodge decide battle?Is it right to kill some1 without even making an combo?Heh

Winning a 1v3 isn’t imbalanced then? Especially for someone who can’t dodge Magnet Pull and doesn’t know that Engi doesn’t have Traps?
Also, yea it’s good that high skill is a requirement

Oh and here’s how you run from conditions: Turn around and press 2 on Dagger!

Malchior.5732:

saalle.4623:

Malchior.5732:

saalle.4623:

I had many cases that really made me want to quit this game,for example.
- Once i fought engineer in duel with my theif ( i use valk gear).All he did to kill me was this,he put few traps or whatever it was,then he use pull to drag me in and BOOM – dead.I did not even stand the chance
- There was mesmer in WvW that bombard me with torment,how to defend torment with Thief?Remove condition in stealth removes torment in like 3-4 sec staying in stealth,since it first removes poison and other useless stuff that no1 use anymore and you cant possible remove them all.He also had more stealth then me so was impossible to counter
-There was mesmer that vanish in front of me and then BOOM,i drop dead.I dont know what he done but i didn’t even saw it coming,it was less then 2 sec he killed me.
Even when i play with mesmer same happens,i have more survivability but that is cause i play meta shatter/PU build.
Before last big (LA) patch,there were just 2 classes that were OP – Guardian and Warrior.Now Guardian and Warrior are well balanced but lots of classes are broken and OP.

Sounds more like inexperience. You’re a Thief, you have mobility, use it.
Why didn’t you dodge the Engi pull? Why didn’t you run away from your best counter(conditions)?
Why didn’t you stealth when you saw the Mesmer? The only way he can have more is if he has PU, which probably means he doesn’t have the sustain Inspiration brings.

Man i play this game for 3 years and i was fighting with my theif 1vs3 and could WIN.Now you tell me to run from conditions?HTH you run from conditions??You cant possible dodge as much as he can hit you.
Even if i dodged through engi pull he would still aoe kill me since im too squishy,all he need to do is wait on traps and use range on me.
Even if you call this inexperience….is it good for an MMO that 1 missed dodge decide battle?Is it right to kill some1 without even making an combo?Heh

Winning a 1v3 isn’t imbalanced then? Especially for someone who can’t dodge Magnet Pull and doesn’t know that Engi doesn’t have Traps?
Also, yea it’s good that high skill is a requirement

Yeah for some classes is requirement,for some are not….

saalle.4623:

Malchior.5732:

saalle.4623:

Malchior.5732:

saalle.4623:

I had many cases that really made me want to quit this game,for example.
- Once i fought engineer in duel with my theif ( i use valk gear).All he did to kill me was this,he put few traps or whatever it was,then he use pull to drag me in and BOOM – dead.I did not even stand the chance
- There was mesmer in WvW that bombard me with torment,how to defend torment with Thief?Remove condition in stealth removes torment in like 3-4 sec staying in stealth,since it first removes poison and other useless stuff that no1 use anymore and you cant possible remove them all.He also had more stealth then me so was impossible to counter
-There was mesmer that vanish in front of me and then BOOM,i drop dead.I dont know what he done but i didn’t even saw it coming,it was less then 2 sec he killed me.
Even when i play with mesmer same happens,i have more survivability but that is cause i play meta shatter/PU build.
Before last big (LA) patch,there were just 2 classes that were OP – Guardian and Warrior.Now Guardian and Warrior are well balanced but lots of classes are broken and OP.

Sounds more like inexperience. You’re a Thief, you have mobility, use it.
Why didn’t you dodge the Engi pull? Why didn’t you run away from your best counter(conditions)?
Why didn’t you stealth when you saw the Mesmer? The only way he can have more is if he has PU, which probably means he doesn’t have the sustain Inspiration brings.

Man i play this game for 3 years and i was fighting with my theif 1vs3 and could WIN.Now you tell me to run from conditions?HTH you run from conditions??You cant possible dodge as much as he can hit you.
Even if i dodged through engi pull he would still aoe kill me since im too squishy,all he need to do is wait on traps and use range on me.
Even if you call this inexperience….is it good for an MMO that 1 missed dodge decide battle?Is it right to kill some1 without even making an combo?Heh

Winning a 1v3 isn’t imbalanced then? Especially for someone who can’t dodge Magnet Pull and doesn’t know that Engi doesn’t have Traps?
Also, yea it’s good that high skill is a requirement

Yeah for some classes is requirement,for some are not….

That’s irrelevant here; you’re dying to the dumbest stuff ever. You’re just inexperienced.

Malchior.5732:

saalle.4623:

Malchior.5732:

saalle.4623:

Malchior.5732:

saalle.4623:

I had many cases that really made me want to quit this game,for example.
- Once i fought engineer in duel with my theif ( i use valk gear).All he did to kill me was this,he put few traps or whatever it was,then he use pull to drag me in and BOOM – dead.I did not even stand the chance
- There was mesmer in WvW that bombard me with torment,how to defend torment with Thief?Remove condition in stealth removes torment in like 3-4 sec staying in stealth,since it first removes poison and other useless stuff that no1 use anymore and you cant possible remove them all.He also had more stealth then me so was impossible to counter
-There was mesmer that vanish in front of me and then BOOM,i drop dead.I dont know what he done but i didn’t even saw it coming,it was less then 2 sec he killed me.
Even when i play with mesmer same happens,i have more survivability but that is cause i play meta shatter/PU build.
Before last big (LA) patch,there were just 2 classes that were OP – Guardian and Warrior.Now Guardian and Warrior are well balanced but lots of classes are broken and OP.

Sounds more like inexperience. You’re a Thief, you have mobility, use it.
Why didn’t you dodge the Engi pull? Why didn’t you run away from your best counter(conditions)?
Why didn’t you stealth when you saw the Mesmer? The only way he can have more is if he has PU, which probably means he doesn’t have the sustain Inspiration brings.

Man i play this game for 3 years and i was fighting with my theif 1vs3 and could WIN.Now you tell me to run from conditions?HTH you run from conditions??You cant possible dodge as much as he can hit you.
Even if i dodged through engi pull he would still aoe kill me since im too squishy,all he need to do is wait on traps and use range on me.
Even if you call this inexperience….is it good for an MMO that 1 missed dodge decide battle?Is it right to kill some1 without even making an combo?Heh

Winning a 1v3 isn’t imbalanced then? Especially for someone who can’t dodge Magnet Pull and doesn’t know that Engi doesn’t have Traps?
Also, yea it’s good that high skill is a requirement

Yeah for some classes is requirement,for some are not….

That’s irrelevant here; you’re dying to the dumbest stuff ever. You’re just inexperienced.

No,your judging my experiance is irrelevant.First of all you cant always dodge skills since thief got energy nerfed,then you cant always notice pull when there are 2 more enemies around you,third – dying cause you missed 1 dodge is stupid.Elemenatist wont die if he miss 1 dodge,enginer want die if he miss 1 dodge,necro wont die if he miss 1 dodge.In this game,squashy classes are those that cant make singe mistake if they want to win cause game combat is not designed atm to need combos,it designed to play with OP meta builds and kill with 2 hits.
Im done with you.If you dont believe what im saying,you have class forums,perhaps some1 refreshes you there.

Someone pointed out recently that the vitality stat had been removed from berserker amulet (PVP). That might make you feel like you’re suddenly dieing a lot quicker if you run that amulet and hadn’t noticed the big drop in health ..

saalle.4623:

Malchior.5732:

saalle.4623:

Malchior.5732:

saalle.4623:

Malchior.5732:

saalle.4623:

I had many cases that really made me want to quit this game,for example.
- Once i fought engineer in duel with my theif ( i use valk gear).All he did to kill me was this,he put few traps or whatever it was,then he use pull to drag me in and BOOM – dead.I did not even stand the chance
- There was mesmer in WvW that bombard me with torment,how to defend torment with Thief?Remove condition in stealth removes torment in like 3-4 sec staying in stealth,since it first removes poison and other useless stuff that no1 use anymore and you cant possible remove them all.He also had more stealth then me so was impossible to counter
-There was mesmer that vanish in front of me and then BOOM,i drop dead.I dont know what he done but i didn’t even saw it coming,it was less then 2 sec he killed me.
Even when i play with mesmer same happens,i have more survivability but that is cause i play meta shatter/PU build.
Before last big (LA) patch,there were just 2 classes that were OP – Guardian and Warrior.Now Guardian and Warrior are well balanced but lots of classes are broken and OP.

Sounds more like inexperience. You’re a Thief, you have mobility, use it.
Why didn’t you dodge the Engi pull? Why didn’t you run away from your best counter(conditions)?
Why didn’t you stealth when you saw the Mesmer? The only way he can have more is if he has PU, which probably means he doesn’t have the sustain Inspiration brings.

Man i play this game for 3 years and i was fighting with my theif 1vs3 and could WIN.Now you tell me to run from conditions?HTH you run from conditions??You cant possible dodge as much as he can hit you.
Even if i dodged through engi pull he would still aoe kill me since im too squishy,all he need to do is wait on traps and use range on me.
Even if you call this inexperience….is it good for an MMO that 1 missed dodge decide battle?Is it right to kill some1 without even making an combo?Heh

Winning a 1v3 isn’t imbalanced then? Especially for someone who can’t dodge Magnet Pull and doesn’t know that Engi doesn’t have Traps?
Also, yea it’s good that high skill is a requirement

Yeah for some classes is requirement,for some are not….

That’s irrelevant here; you’re dying to the dumbest stuff ever. You’re just inexperienced.

No,your judging my experiance is irrelevant.First of all you cant always dodge skills since thief got energy nerfed,then you cant always notice pull when there are 2 more enemies around you,third – dying cause you missed 1 dodge is stupid.Elemenatist wont die if he miss 1 dodge,enginer want die if he miss 1 dodge,necro wont die if he miss 1 dodge.In this game,squashy classes are those that cant make singe mistake if they want to win cause game combat is not designed atm to need combos,it designed to play with OP meta builds and kill with 2 hits.
Im done with you.If you dont believe what im saying,you have class forums,perhaps some1 refreshes you there.

Sure, you’re the one who doesn’t care enough to learn. Complains he can’t win a 1v3 and complains he loses in a 1v2 as a squishy Thief. Makes sense.