Guild Wars 2

Suona.9451:

Subdue.5479:

You can play together with the “veterans,” and you still get gifts for each completion. You’re able to grind it out if you’re not good at it, but have an easier time if you are good at it.

I’m not seeing where the issue is here. If you want to take skill out of the equation altogether, why not just go play Sims instead?

I didn’t say to take skill out altogether. There’s a reason why these games are designed where skilled players can help lesser skilled players. That’s not the case with some of these events. I can use a keyboard an mouse well enough to play the actual game, but not Tap Tap Revenge or Super Mario Bros. At least with Toypocalypse, a player can enlist skilled help. Too bad that event doesn’t count either. Always some 12yr old offering alternate game suggestions.

You’re the one that doesn’t know how to use a keyboard, and I’m the 12 year old? =P

On a serious note though. The bell choir is not difficult. It’s not as trivially easy as some of the other achievements, but if you wanted to grind it out, at the very least you should be able to complete the first half in a set of songs, which would eventually net you the achievement.

There’s nothing intrinsically wrong with cosmetic content being locked behind some kind of skill test.

Serophous.9085:

So anet made the mistake and didn’t contact the op to make sure their list of six daily achievements met his playing capabilities.

So what we need here is a fifth daily that is as trivial as the others. So no snowball mayhem….could drink five festival tonics, but we already have a copper spent on ho-ho-tron, so that’s too much……hmmm…..

Oh I know! Just visit the holiday vendor! Just like the old laurel vendor achievement! There! Then everyone can feel like that really accomplished something…

He might get lost. How about…

Visit Divinity’s Reach?

Serophous.9085:

So…..like little league baseball?

“Its OK kids, even if you lost to a more skilled team, you still get a shiney trophy to take home saying ‘I tried!’ So you don’t get low self-esteem and feel bad”.

That’s modern day little league, unfortunately. When I played in the early 80’s it was pretty common to see kids walking off the field in tears when they learned a valuable lesson, not everyone gets to be a winner.

Sorry OP but I am going to have to disagree. I am stuck at 10/11 myself ankitten ot likely to get 11/11, but there should be a distinction between succeeding at something and failing in my opinion.

Subdue.5479:

The thing is, it’s not really lol. I mean the choir bell daily can be done with just one finger. Is easy.

I’ve gotten 100 on a song while losing HP for pretty much every note played (no I’m not spamming them). And this is on an American ISP. I can imagine the problems people may have with slower reflexes, a crappy computer, or a foreign connection.

Serophous.9085:

So anet made the mistake and didn’t contact the op to make sure their list of six daily achievements met his playing capabilities.

So what we need here is a fifth daily that is as trivial as the others. So no snowball mayhem….could drink five festival tonics, but we already have a copper spent on ho-ho-tron, so that’s too much……hmmm…..

Oh I know! Just visit the holiday vendor! Just like the old laurel vendor achievement! There! Then everyone can feel like that really accomplished something…

We could kill Toxx for starters?

But apparently making a strawman out of the situation is more meta here.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Serophous.9085:

So…..like little league baseball?

“Its OK kids, even if you lost to a more skilled team, you still get a shiney trophy to take home saying ‘I tried!’ So you don’t get low self-esteem and feel bad”.

That’s modern day little league, unfortunately. When I played in the early 80’s it was pretty common to see kids walking off the field in tears when they learned a valuable lesson, not everyone gets to be a winner.

We’re talking about a Holiday Event – not everyone should be a winner? So you think kids who don’t get to celebrate holidays IRL “learned a valuable lesson, not everyone gets to be a winner”? I realize this is a game, not as serious as Real Life but…its a game, not as serious as Real Life. O.o

Djinn.9245:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Serophous.9085:

So…..like little league baseball?

“Its OK kids, even if you lost to a more skilled team, you still get a shiney trophy to take home saying ‘I tried!’ So you don’t get low self-esteem and feel bad”.

That’s modern day little league, unfortunately. When I played in the early 80’s it was pretty common to see kids walking off the field in tears when they learned a valuable lesson, not everyone gets to be a winner.

We’re talking about a Holiday Event – not everyone should be a winner? So you think kids who don’t get to celebrate holidays IRL “learned a valuable lesson, not everyone gets to be a winner”? I realize this is a game, not as serious as Real Life but…its a game, not as serious as Real Life. O.o

Yes, not everyone in a game event deserves to be a winner just for playing, holiday event or not. I don’t know what kids not being able to celebrate a holiday IRL has to do with in game Wintersday events.

I hope some of you never try SAB when it comes back. You will break down in tears.

Djinn.9245:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Serophous.9085:

So…..like little league baseball?

“Its OK kids, even if you lost to a more skilled team, you still get a shiney trophy to take home saying ‘I tried!’ So you don’t get low self-esteem and feel bad”.

That’s modern day little league, unfortunately. When I played in the early 80’s it was pretty common to see kids walking off the field in tears when they learned a valuable lesson, not everyone gets to be a winner.

We’re talking about a Holiday Event – not everyone should be a winner? So you think kids who don’t get to celebrate holidays IRL “learned a valuable lesson, not everyone gets to be a winner”? I realize this is a game, not as serious as Real Life but…its a game, not as serious as Real Life. O.o

Someone needs to tell those kids baseball isn’t a game then.

Djinn.9245:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Serophous.9085:

So…..like little league baseball?

“Its OK kids, even if you lost to a more skilled team, you still get a shiney trophy to take home saying ‘I tried!’ So you don’t get low self-esteem and feel bad”.

That’s modern day little league, unfortunately. When I played in the early 80’s it was pretty common to see kids walking off the field in tears when they learned a valuable lesson, not everyone gets to be a winner.

We’re talking about a Holiday Event – not everyone should be a winner? So you think kids who don’t get to celebrate holidays IRL “learned a valuable lesson, not everyone gets to be a winner”? I realize this is a game, not as serious as Real Life but…its a game, not as serious as Real Life. O.o

Uh, he’s able to celebrate. He’s still opening presents, doing activities, enjoying the scenery, etc.

What he’s not getting is the reward for something he didn’t earn.

So there seems to be a group of people in this forum that enjoys feeding on the tears of those who are unable to complete either the Bell Choir or the JP. Because the stuff is supposedly so trivial, surely they would support the proposal to replace the casual achievements with “real” ones?

• Donate 1 gold to Ho-Ho-Tron
• Score 100 on a “hard” song in Bell Choir
• Score 550 overall in Bell Choir
• Complete Winter Wonderland twice in a row without dying
• Complete Winter Wonderland 5 times
• Open 100 gift boxes
• Insert your own “legitimately difficult” daily achievement here!

I mean, come on, why should festival content be easy anyways? We already have loot pinatas world bosses for that! Those filthy casuals deserve nothing and should stop feeling entitled!

I may be missing something but why do you need to be able to complete the jumping puzzle? It doesn’t count for the meta achievement and the festival daily requires 5/6 achievements, so you can skip the jumping puzzle one.

As for bell choir that has 3 achievements:

• That Wintersday Ring (daily) just requires participation.
• The Bells of Wintersday (complete songs) is repeatable and so doesn’t count for the meta achievement, there is no need to do it unless you’re grinding achievement points.
• Ringing the Right Notes is exactly what you asked for. It requires you to play individual notes correctly. You don’t need to be able to play whole songs, if you can hit even 1 note per round you just need to keep going and you’ll get it eventually.

Dave.2536:

Subdue.5479:

The thing is, it’s not really lol. I mean the choir bell daily can be done with just one finger. Is easy.

I’ve gotten 100 on a song while losing HP for pretty much every note played (no I’m not spamming them). And this is on an American ISP. I can imagine the problems people may have with slower reflexes, a crappy computer, or a foreign connection.

Serophous.9085:

So anet made the mistake and didn’t contact the op to make sure their list of six daily achievements met his playing capabilities.

So what we need here is a fifth daily that is as trivial as the others. So no snowball mayhem….could drink five festival tonics, but we already have a copper spent on ho-ho-tron, so that’s too much……hmmm…..

Oh I know! Just visit the holiday vendor! Just like the old laurel vendor achievement! There! Then everyone can feel like that really accomplished something…

We could kill Toxx for starters?

But apparently making a strawman out of the situation is more meta here.

NOPE. Too hard. It has to match the difficulty of the other easy achievements. I mean, what if people have shoddy connections and drop thus missing the completion and having to do it all over again? Totally unfair.

Serophous.9085:

NOPE. Too hard. It has to match the difficulty of the other easy achievements. I mean, what if people have shoddy connections and drop thus missing the completion and having to do it all over again? Totally unfair.

The meta continues I see.

Your refusal to participate in a more constructive discussion is also noted.

Long ago, just before Guild Wars 2 came out, there was a promo video, I think from a developer, who was saying that the game would allow lay players to do certain things with ease.

But it would also reward skilled players who could do the harder content. Solo or otherwise.

It seems so strange that this policy, so praised by players, is now the one posters complain about the most. The game was never meant to be easy all the time, and all the way through. Certain events and quests were meant to be a challenge.

Yet, over the last three years, we’ve seen this dumbing and easing down effect throughout the game.

And still, even now, it’s still too hard and unfair for some. I say it will always be too hard and too unfair to someone out there. That does not mean make the content easier.

It means you’re not up to the challenge. Please don’t take that as an insult. I couldn’t do certain things in the Queen Jubilee and just didn’t achieve the reward. And believe me, I tried. I really tried. Hard. But I couldn’t defeat the last boss.

Others could. Others got the reward. Was that fair?

Yes. Yes, it was. Because they tried harder, had the talent or skill, and they met the challenge. The answer is not make the content easier. The answer is knowing your own limitations. And learning from your mistakes.

And if a game makes you have a breakdown because you couldn’t get all the rewards, maybe it’s time to ask why. Because if a game makes you feel this powerless, real life is going to take you for a ride.

Dave.2536:

Serophous.9085:

NOPE. Too hard. It has to match the difficulty of the other easy achievements. I mean, what if people have shoddy connections and drop thus missing the completion and having to do it all over again? Totally unfair.

The meta continues I see.

Your refusal to participate in a more constructive discussion is also noted.

I am trying to be constructive. Dailies on the level of jump puzzle and choir are too hard. I’m giving suggestions on par to building snowmen, talking to hoho from, and opening gifts. Visiting the holiday vendor works perfectly.

Also, the meta is about berserker, which is another forum. Please don’t take this off topic.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Djinn.9245:

JustTrogdor.7892:

That’s modern day little league, unfortunately. When I played in the early 80’s it was pretty common to see kids walking off the field in tears when they learned a valuable lesson, not everyone gets to be a winner.

We’re talking about a Holiday Event – not everyone should be a winner? So you think kids who don’t get to celebrate holidays IRL “learned a valuable lesson, not everyone gets to be a winner”? I realize this is a game, not as serious as Real Life but…its a game, not as serious as Real Life. O.o

Yes, not everyone in a game event deserves to be a winner just for playing, holiday event or not. I don’t know what kids not being able to celebrate a holiday IRL has to do with in game Wintersday events.

I hope some of you never try SAB when it comes back. You will break down in tears.

You were talking about kids not winning at baseball IRL learning a lesson. My point is that holidays aren’t competitions, they’re just supposed to be fun. And games are supposed to be fun. So I’m not sure what holidays in games has to do with kids IRL learning a lesson.

SAB isn’t a holiday, its optional gameplay.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Long ago, just before Guild Wars 2 came out, there was a promo video, I think from a developer, who was saying that the game would allow lay players to do certain things with ease.

But it would also reward skilled players who could do the harder content. Solo or otherwise.

It seems so strange that this policy, so praised by players, is now the one posters complain about the most.

This post is about Wintersday, a festival, not regular gameplay.

Players who love challenge should be flocking to your post – I wonder where they are?

You seemed to understand the context of “meta” the first time it was used here. Faking sarcastic ignorance is also noted.

Almost well played. Almost.

It applies. The first Wintersday events were nothing like these. This year, I give a copper to Ho-Ho-Tron and earn an achievement. The first year? It was survive 30 rounds of toy assaults with all your dolyaks staying alive. This year it’s open five Winterday’s presents and you earn another achievement. That first year? Win ten rounds of Snowball Mayhem, and steal the gift ten times from someone else, and then run it to your base X-amount of times too. You must win the battle to progress.

The policy, and its simplification and lack of effort, is the same regardless.

Djinn.9245:

JustTrogdor.7892:

Djinn.9245:

JustTrogdor.7892:

That’s modern day little league, unfortunately. When I played in the early 80’s it was pretty common to see kids walking off the field in tears when they learned a valuable lesson, not everyone gets to be a winner.

We’re talking about a Holiday Event – not everyone should be a winner? So you think kids who don’t get to celebrate holidays IRL “learned a valuable lesson, not everyone gets to be a winner”? I realize this is a game, not as serious as Real Life but…its a game, not as serious as Real Life. O.o

Yes, not everyone in a game event deserves to be a winner just for playing, holiday event or not. I don’t know what kids not being able to celebrate a holiday IRL has to do with in game Wintersday events.

I hope some of you never try SAB when it comes back. You will break down in tears.

You were talking about kids not winning at baseball IRL learning a lesson. My point is that holidays aren’t competitions, they’re just supposed to be fun. And games are supposed to be fun. So I’m not sure what holidays in games has to do with kids IRL learning a lesson.

SAB isn’t a holiday, its optional gameplay.

Just like little league baseball, when you play the game you play it for fun. I lost a lot of games when I played but I still had fun. Had I not had fun I would have stopped playing. Just because you can’t win, or finish all the events doesn’t mean you should get all the rewards just for trying. You may find the events too difficult and feel your “holiday” was ruined but many other people enjoy those difficult events.

If it isn’t fun because you can’t get all the rewards perhaps you shouldn’t play it. Just naming something a holiday event =/= get all the rewards just for trying. I guess you think because it was labeled as a holiday that all your wildest dreams must come true. Vote for Pedro.

P.S. Wintersday events like SAB are optional too.

Djinn.9245:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Long ago, just before Guild Wars 2 came out, there was a promo video, I think from a developer, who was saying that the game would allow lay players to do certain things with ease.

But it would also reward skilled players who could do the harder content. Solo or otherwise.

It seems so strange that this policy, so praised by players, is now the one posters complain about the most.

This post is about Wintersday, a festival, not regular gameplay.

Yeah! What kind of festivals have people getting together and playing games with prizes in them?

Dave.2536:

You seemed to understand the context of “meta” the first time it was used here. Faking sarcastic ignorance is also noted.

Almost well played. Almost.

After certain people demonstrate their preferred method of reply, I find it more productive to simply stop conversing.

Killing Toxx would be a great alternative. However my main issue is the reduced number of choices.

Isn’t it supposed people should get 50 gifts from bonus chest and some more from chest in the center or the room? Why did I get first two times 50 gifts and 100 emperial fragment and now I get only 10 gifts every day?

Holiday Dailies should be fun and not to hard. My biggest beef with them is having them be the same thing every day. There are still Packages out in the zones, why not have opening X number of them be a daily? Adding Snowball Mayhem participation, getting a gift from one of the Gift trees, etc into the rotation would have been a lot more fun. Variety is nice.

Djinn.9245:

Dave.2536:

You seemed to understand the context of “meta” the first time it was used here. Faking sarcastic ignorance is also noted.

Almost well played. Almost.

After certain people demonstrate their preferred method of reply, I find it more productive to simply stop conversing.

Killing Toxx would be a great alternative.

But what about those that can’t kill toxx, can’t do the puzzle, and can’t do the choir? What gives you the right to exclude them from the festival?

Oh no….1 gold…whatever shall I do…..?

Serophous.9085:

Oh no….1 gold…whatever shall I do…..?

It looks like you’re too hardcore for the proposal.

You go girl!

Dave.2536:

Because the stuff is supposedly so trivial, surely they would support the proposal to replace the casual achievements with “real” ones?

• Donate 1 gold to Ho-Ho-Tron
• Score 100 on a “hard” song in Bell Choir
• Score 550 overall in Bell Choir.
• Complete Winter Wonderland twice in a row without dying
• Complete Winter Wonderland 5 times
• Open 100 gift boxes
• Insert your own “legitimately difficult” daily achievement here!

1. Did it.
2. Did it.
3. Did it . . . I think
4. Probably couldn’t do that one. But my wife would do it for me. She loves that mess.
5. Ugh. Same as #4.
6. This should be 1000 boxes. 100 you could do in ten minutes.

My own? Sure!

1. Kick over 100 skritt while defending the Dolyak Gift train.
2. Build 100 snowmen.
3. Play at least one perfect song in the lower, middle, and higher parts of Bell Choir.
4. Earn top scorer five times in Bell Choir.
5. Earn a place in the Top Three in Bell Choir.
6. Salvage at least 1,000 socks, hats, or sweaters.
7. Drink 100 tonics. Endless tonics do not count.
8. Win Champion status as a Wintersday mini at least five times.
9. Survive 10 helpings of Bloodstone Chilli.
10. Kill Champion World Boss Grinch that invades Divinity’s Reach.

Just off the top of my head. By the way, most of those achievements are real, but disguised as Wintersday ones. They’re very much in the game.

Just so you know.

I am disappointed that the wintersday meta achievement doesn’t progress with the dailies this year when last year it did. I like the bell choir and the JP and all the fluff things but don’t want to have anything to do with any of the combat things, or hand over even one copper.
Last year was lovely. This is humbug.

…I’m just going to steal a wintersday tree from some orphans.

Dave.2536:

• Score 550 overall in Bell Choir

550? Please, that’s insulting. 600 or kick.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Dave.2536:

Because the stuff is supposedly so trivial, surely they would support the proposal to replace the casual achievements with “real” ones?

• Donate 1 gold to Ho-Ho-Tron
• Score 100 on a “hard” song in Bell Choir
• Score 550 overall in Bell Choir.
• Complete Winter Wonderland twice in a row without dying
• Complete Winter Wonderland 5 times
• Open 100 gift boxes
• Insert your own “legitimately difficult” daily achievement here!

1. Did it.
2. Did it.
3. Did it . . . I think
4. Probably couldn’t do that one. But my wife would do it for me. She loves that mess.
5. Ugh. Same as #4.
6. This should be 1000 boxes. 100 you could do in ten minutes.

My own? Sure!

1. Kick over 100 skritt while defending the Dolyak Gift train.
2. Build 100 snowmen.
3. Play at least one perfect song in the lower, middle, and higher parts of Bell Choir.
4. Earn top scorer five times in Bell Choir.
5. Earn a place in the Top Three in Bell Choir.
6. Salvage at least 1,000 socks, hats, or sweaters.
7. Drink 100 tonics. Endless tonics do not count.
8. Win Champion status as a Wintersday mini at least five times.
9. Survive 10 helpings of Bloodstone Chilli.
10. Kill Champion World Boss Grinch that invades Divinity’s Reach.

Just off the top of my head. By the way, most of those achievements are real, but disguised as Wintersday ones. They’re very much in the game.

Just so you know.

Oh oh!

• Earn top score in winter wonderland

We could also reward you with something just for logging in …. but wait that’s already the case! Then again you don’t get laurels for it … but wait you do! So there’s something optional you can’t complete because either your hardware/connection isn’t up to the task or you are not experienced enough in terms of jumping puzzles/hitting buttons at certain time frames. The first one is up to you to fix, the second one requires effort and perseverance. ANET is already giving the playerbase free rewards just for clicking “Login” so I fail to see how optional tasks should be equally free of any challenge whatsoever.

Veydar.5017:

I fail to see how optional tasks should be equally free of any challenge whatsoever.

According to some people Wintersday tasks are not optional because it is a holiday event.

;)

Veydar.5017:

Dave.2536:

• Score 550 overall in Bell Choir

550? Please, that’s insulting. 600 or kick.

Yeah I agree. My list was not hardcore enough.

Festival content needs to exclude even more people than 550 would.

Serophous.9085:

Oh oh!

• Earn top score in winter wonderland

I didn’t even know they were ranked . . . there’s one I’d never get. (laugh)

Veydar.5017:

We could also reward you with something just for logging in …. but wait that’s already the case! Then again you don’t get laurels for it … but wait you do! So there’s something optional you can’t complete because either your hardware/connection isn’t up to the task or you are not experienced enough in terms of jumping puzzles/hitting buttons at certain time frames. The first one is up to you to fix, the second one requires effort and perseverance. ANET is already giving the playerbase free rewards just for clicking “Login” so I fail to see how optional tasks should be equally free of any challenge whatsoever.

If Wintersday dailies are meant to reward skill rather than participation, can we raise the standards on them so they actually do reward skill?

I don’t know whether to chuckle or cry when I see the current group of people parading their validation from what we have right now.

Veydar.5017:

So there’s something optional you can’t complete because either your hardware/connection isn’t up to the task or you are not experienced enough in terms of jumping puzzles/hitting buttons at certain time frames. The first one is up to you to fix, the second one requires effort and perseverance. ANET is already giving the playerbase free rewards just for clicking “Login” so I fail to see how optional tasks should be equally free of any challenge whatsoever.

I never said that the Festival Dailies should be free of challenge. It happens that these two dailies are more challenging for different reasons but my issue is that Festival Dailies used to consist of more options. If there were 3 or 4 more options, even if they were challenging, people who had issues with certain content would still have a choice.

Djinn.9245:

Veydar.5017:

So there’s something optional you can’t complete because either your hardware/connection isn’t up to the task or you are not experienced enough in terms of jumping puzzles/hitting buttons at certain time frames. The first one is up to you to fix, the second one requires effort and perseverance. ANET is already giving the playerbase free rewards just for clicking “Login” so I fail to see how optional tasks should be equally free of any challenge whatsoever.

I never said that the Festival Dailies should be free of challenge. It happens that these two dailies are more challenging for different reasons but my issue is that Festival Dailies used to consist of more options. If there were 3 or 4 more options, even if they were challenging, people who had issues with certain content would still have a choice.

You currently have to complete 5 out 6. 5 out of 6.

That’s 83%.

That’s a B-
Give us examples of dailies that would be as challenging or more challenging than the puzzle that you wouldn’t whine about, please.

i honestly don’t understand your frustration with the wintersday daily, while the jumping puzzle and bell choir were a little tough for me at first. by the third or fourth attempt at them i knew how to complete it.

if you’re having such a hard time doing the bell choir, you’re only required to play/stay alive during 1 song (1 SONG) which only lasts 5 – 10 seconds. it was a little tough for me at first though i got used to it.
as for the jumping puzzle, take your time while i know you only have a limited time to do it before you die or before the platforms give away. take your time at first, learn the tiny shortcuts that snowflakes give you by skipping one or two (the middle one is the easiest) then learn when and where to jump during the second part of it.

these dailies are the easiest, it boggles my mind that you’re having such a rough time with them. if you still need help, then i’ll gladly help you to learn them. if you still want to quit because you can’t do something so simple then it’s probably for the best.

Dave.2536:

Yeah I agree. My list was not hardcore enough.

Festival content needs to exclude even more people than 550 would.

Oh? You wanted to exclude people? Well why didn’t you say so?

1. Be the only player on your platform in Bell Choir. Earn a perfect score for all three parts. Any mistakes restarts the achievement. Anyone who joins restarts the achievement. Any complaining restarts the achievement.

2. Climb to the very top of the dome at the Wintersday Festival. Dive into a pile of snow. The snow will randomly move to various locations throughout the day. You must survive the fall.

3. Play the song Wizards of Winter on the free round of Bell Choir. Make no mistakes in two minutes. Here’s the song: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFLOh44P5z0 Again, two minutes and no mistakes.

4. Convince someone on the board that sarcasm is a two-way street. Have them see your point of view and acknowledge that baiting their peers for responses is naughty, not nice.

Happy Wintersday.

JustTrogdor.7892:

Veydar.5017:

I fail to see how optional tasks should be equally free of any challenge whatsoever.

According to some people Wintersday tasks are not optional because it is a holiday event.

;)

Oy vey, I actually remember seeing that complaint.

Overall I just think the nature of “festival daily” should be one that rewards effort/participation, rather than success/efficiency.

Some of the people defending the current state of things are the same ones who would make their own cry threads if things started becoming even less casual. I suspect a good number are also salty about the PvP accessibility of the new aquatic backpiece. My main intent here is not to start a discussion, but to call out the hypocrites.

Notice how the “get good” arguments stopped in the other threads as soon as I and others stepped in.

There was never any serious discussion to start a two-way conversation in the first place. All I saw was people feeling validated by mediocrity telling others to stop being bad.

Theres a limited amount of wintersday content thats repeatable. I think its reasonable that for the wintersday dailies you have to participate in the main wintersday content aka the activities. A choice of two seems completely reasonable considering theres only 5.

Less choice in my opinion is actually a positive thing as it encourages you to take part in wintersday content rather than take the easiest options such as talk to an NPC then leave. It just happens that today was bad luck for you who cant manage to complete 2 activities. Try again tomorrow there might be 2 activities you enjoy and can do then.

zombyturtle.5980:

Theres a limited amount of wintersday content thats repeatable. I think its reasonable that for the wintersday dailies you have to participate in the main wintersday content aka the activities. A choice of two seems completely reasonable considering theres only 5.

Less choice in my opinion is actually a positive thing as it encourages you to take part in wintersday content rather than take the easiest options such as talk to an NPC then leave. It just happens that today was bad luck for you who cant manage to complete 2 activities. Try again tomorrow there might be 2 activities you enjoy and can do then.

Why do you think that players need to be “encouraged” to take part in content? If the content is fun for them they will do it. And there is no “talk to an NPC” choice (from what I’ve seen) so I don’t know why you bring that up.

The reduction of choices is a continuing theme in GW2 lately that is a problem for many players and which could turn into a problem for Anet if players are unhappy enough to leave.

Dave.2536:

Notice how the “get good” arguments stopped in the other threads as soon as I and others stepped in.

Oh there was a reason you saw a lack of response in those, supposedly ‘get good’, arguments when you and a certain other poster brought out your talking points yet again. But it’s not for the reason you apparently think.

I could tell you the reason, but I suspect that would result in another ‘La la la. I can’t hear you" response . . . if that tells you anything.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

I could tell you the reason, but I suspect that would result in another ‘La la la. I can’t hear you" response . . . if that tells you anything.

Preempting the very tactic you’re calling me out for…

Well played, sir. Well played.

I’m actaully more annoyed at the snowball daily. It’s just pointless and usually have to ask someone to stand around getting pelted in the face. At least with the bell choir, it requires actual skill.

Dave.2536:

There was never any serious discussion to start a two-way conversation in the first place. All I saw was people feeling validated by mediocrity telling others to stop being bad.

Oh . . .

Dave.2536:

So there seems to be a group of people in this forum that enjoys feeding on the tears of those who are unable to complete either the Bell Choir or the JP. Because the stuff is supposedly so trivial, surely they would support the proposal to replace the casual achievements with “real” ones?

I mean, come on, why should festival content be easy anyways? We already have loot pinatas world bosses for that! Those filthy casuals deserve nothing and should stop feeling entitled!

Djinn.9245:

Players who love challenge should be flocking to your post – I wonder where they are?

I tend to call it like I see it. Nasty habit, I know. Again, Happy Wintersday.

I still stand by my ‘get good’ argument regardless of whether you ‘stepped in’ to silence me or not.

I stand by my opinion that you should have to do wintersday content to get wintersday rewards.

I stand by my opinion that more options would make wintersday dailies boring with everyone just doing the easiest tasks then leaving rather than taking part in actual wintersday content.

I do agree with your suggestion that complete could be changed to simply participate, although many posters in the other thread indicate this is already the case if u hang around long enough.

I also think its childish of you to make a troll post like this to insult others who took the time to reply to the original thread just because you dont like what we say.