It is a “skinner” box. That doesn’t mean it isn’t effective in firing those circuits in your brain that give satisfaction. I’m just saying that WoW has a more effective loot treadmill than GW2, because GW2 was not designed from the beginning to be one.
I’ve never played WoW, so I can’t say if it has a better treadmill or not. Though I do believe it as I’ve heard WoW has a token system, while GW2 only has RNG for Ascended items.
As for is giving satisfaction, it doesn’t work for me. I went through a few months trying various f2p MMOs back when a lot were pay to win. I quit quite a few of them rather quickly when I realized that their entire content consisted of grinding levels, just so you could grind levels somewhere else.
That was before I had heard anything about Skinner boxes. I saw grind with the only payoff being more grind. I saw content that didn’t get any harder if you progressed at the exact speed the developers intended, all that changed was the numbers.
Does the manifesto represent the game?
No, the manifesto represents the sentiments and philosophies of the development team at the time it was released, and as we are all aware things change over time.To rebel against the additions to the game is to rebel against change, this MMORPG has changed the landscape for the genre but to have the game itself be static and unchanging is going against the change it made to the genre.
No, to rebel against these changes is only to rebel against these specific changes, because we have specific reasons why we don’t like them. We don’t rebel against balance changes. We don’t rebel against anything else that happened in Lost Shores*.
*Except the one time event, which has a different set of problems.
I will also point out that calling for grind to come to GW2 is calling for ANET to take one thing that makes GW2 different and remove it. So calling for grind is calling for ANET to stop trying to change things.
Which one of us is against change in general ?
The ones calling for the reversal of one change we don’t like, or the people calling for GW2 to be changed to be more like almost every other MMO out there ?
If you guys feel really that betrayed and cheated, man up and just leave it.
And go where ?
If the people who want grind don’t like it, they have plenty of other games they can try.
Give ANet some time to recover from the shock they probably got by our reaction and probably by the management choices which were forced upon them. Not to make an official response was pretty wise in my opinion. There is so much rage atm, that every comment to that matter would be more fuel for the fire, so just be patient, calm done and wait for them to come up with something. If the rumors are true, which seems pretty plausible, we should encourage the devs even more cause they cant do anything, besides quitting their job, which is unlikely cause its probably very well payed.
No, we need to let them know how angry we are. And to keep reminding them until they do something.
Remember when ANET made that stupid statement about FOV ?
The FoV issue has since been addressed. I won’t say it’s been fixed till we can set our own FoV’s, but it’s improved enough that I won’t complain. Which shows that raging gets results, if the rage is backed up with solid reasoning.
LOL. This reminds me of the class action lawsuit against the makers of Nutella. They advertised their spread as it if were health food but was taken to task. I wonder if the same can be done for ANet’s departure from their Manifesto.
Never threaten legal action on forums. The first thing ANET should ever hear about any legal action is either a message from your lawyer, a notice about a case being filed, or something from a group fighting on your behalf. Anything less and they will just ignore it.