Guild Wars 2

The most exciting and anticipated update is one that makes you completely forget about the actual game and places you in a mini game that removes all skills, all story, all items, and all other aspects of the actual game and people are thrilled about it….

Does no one else see this as a major indication that something is wrong? Why are players so thrilled and eager for the actual game to be left behind and forgotten in place of 8-bit graphics and jumping?

The fact that this is more fun than the millions and millions of dollars they’ve spent on the actual game is quite telling imo… I think it is time to try a new direction.

I think SAB is one of the few kinds of content left in which the main goal is to have fun, not grind achievement points or exploit the game to become rich quickly.

Erasculio.2914:

I think SAB is one of the few kinds of content left in which the main goal is to have fun, not grind achievement points or exploit the game to become rich quickly.

That should be most, if not all parts of a game. Not some mini-part that seperates you from the real game.

simple. it is challenging and fun. sab is a better game than gw2.

I think you’re over thinking this. If SAB is inside of GW2 then it’s part of the game.

Don’t worry, the SAB graphics are coming to the rest of Tyria as well, making the entire world appealing!

I took this screenshot a week ago during lag, but I don’t think they wanted me to know their plans for the future.

Erasculio.2914:

I think SAB is one of the few kinds of content left in which the main goal is to have fun, not grind achievement points or exploit the game to become rich quickly.

The OP is right, it is bad sign of the state of things and the quote above is why. I know thats why I’m looking forward to it coming back.

I think this is an inaccurate inquisitive leap. So SFB is the funnest event they’ve had so far? That doesn’t mean people would rather stop playing GW2 to go play SFB. I certainly wouldn’t leave GW2 to go play it if they detached it and sold it on Steam for $5. I might buy it, I might play it, but it certainly wouldn’t drive me away from playing GW2 on the regular.

Genreninja.8516:

I think this is an inaccurate inquisitive leap. So SFB is the funnest event they’ve had so far? That doesn’t mean people would rather stop playing GW2 to go play SFB. I certainly wouldn’t leave GW2 to go play it if they detached it and sold it on Steam for $5. I might buy it, I might play it, but it certainly wouldn’t drive me away from playing GW2 on the regular.

You made a leap in what you assumed the OP meant. It doesnt mean I would stop playing Gw2 and play SAB exclusively if it were its own game…it does mean I have stopped playing GW2 regularly in favor of other games and am returning only for SAB.
Its not a good sign that some people are only returning temporarily to play in SAB than the actual GW2 game itself, is more of what was meant I believe.

Leave it to you to take a fun side-game and somehow paint it as yet another problem of GW2.

You people need to stop looking for flaws. If you don’t enjoy the game, stop playing. Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to log. If you ask me, GW2 is a fine fine game albeit with a number of flaws and shortcomings, but your attitude is the real problem when it comes to enjoying the whole experience.

I’m noticing a pattern here. The numbers of players were dwindling on my server to the point that there were only a handful of people in the world at one time. The only time players were excited was when new content was released, and it wasn’t getting released fast enough. That’s when Anet implemented the two-week content and I saw a surge in numbers for the first few days that the new patch came. Then a few days later, I’m back to seeing the same 10 people. Here comes the patch! Oh, surge in numbers again! Then the same 10 people.

Is it safe to assume that people are only playing Guild Wars 2 for the Living Story now? Even the Living Story is lackluster, and I know it’s bad when I don’t even want to log in to see the new patches. I haven’t seen the last 3 content patches because they didn’t interest me in the least. That’s sad because I try my hardest to stick with games that have boring content, and I stick around long after my friends or family leave, yet even I am starting to feel the wall of boringness that’s being pushed against me every two weeks.

People don’t like Guild Wars 2. They like the mini-games, activities, and two-week content that comes along with it. The leveling experience in Guild Wars 2 was fantastic, but once you hit 80, it’s all downhill from there.

Yes, it does mean something. Do they care?

Galtrix.7369:

People don’t like Guild Wars 2. They like the mini-games, activities, and two-week content that comes along with it.

Then they like Guild Wars 2…

MrRuin.9740:

Genreninja.8516:

I think this is an inaccurate inquisitive leap. So SFB is the funnest event they’ve had so far? That doesn’t mean people would rather stop playing GW2 to go play SFB. I certainly wouldn’t leave GW2 to go play it if they detached it and sold it on Steam for $5. I might buy it, I might play it, but it certainly wouldn’t drive me away from playing GW2 on the regular.

You made a leap in what you assumed the OP meant. It doesnt mean I would stop playing Gw2 and play SAB exclusively if it were its own game…it does mean I have stopped playing GW2 regularly in favor of other games and am returning only for SAB.
Its not a good sign that some people are only returning temporarily to play in SAB than the actual GW2 game itself, is more of what was meant I believe.

I don’t really disagree, but again I don’t think it says anything directly about the rest of the game. GW2 can’t be like SAB for a variety of reasons. It’s unreasonable to say “SAB is fun, I only came back to play it” actually says something about the rest of GW2. So the rest of GW2 isn’t for everybody, but SAB is a) Temporary b) Crazy fun and c) has nothing to little to do with GW2, so it’s not unreasonable for it to appeal to a whole new set of people, and that set of people just happens to include people who don’t care for the rest of the game.

A good example: I never eat McDonalds, I’m not a fan of fast food in general. But when the Monopoly game is going, I pick up a soda, or some fries or whatever because me and my coworkers get excited about stupid competitions like that. We pool our pieces and try to win. But that doesn’t say “There is an obvious problem with McDonalds because the only reason I’ll eat there is when Monopoly is running.” Yes, it says I need extra motivation, I don’t care for the product but they occasionally offer something I want. but it doesn’t directly imply anything about the food itself. McDonalds is a multi-billion dollar juggernaut of success.

Vol.5241:

Galtrix.7369:

People don’t like Guild Wars 2. They like the mini-games, activities, and two-week content that comes along with it.

Then they like Guild Wars 2…

An people love Mc Donalds because they like the toys.

Get real and don’t get into that childish argument. You know what GW2 is about and you know what minigames are, then why answer that silly statement?

Sps.7862:

Leave it to you to take a fun side-game and somehow paint it as yet another problem of GW2.

You people need to stop looking for flaws. If you don’t enjoy the game, stop playing. Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to log. If you ask me, GW2 is a fine fine game albeit with a number of flaws and shortcomings, but your attitude is the real problem when it comes to enjoying the whole experience.

I think you missed the point of this thread.

Vol.5241:

Galtrix.7369:

People don’t like Guild Wars 2. They like the mini-games, activities, and two-week content that comes along with it.

Then they like Guild Wars 2…

Oh, so that’s all Guild Wars 2 is then? Mini-games, activities, and two-week content? That’s pretty poor content for a game that calls itself an mmorpg. If they like a miniscule part of the game, that does not mean they like Guild Wars 2. I like the guns in Black Ops 2, does that mean I like it? Heck no.

Galtrix.7369:

Vol.5241:

Galtrix.7369:

People don’t like Guild Wars 2. They like the mini-games, activities, and two-week content that comes along with it.

Then they like Guild Wars 2…

Oh, so that’s all Guild Wars 2 is then? Mini-games, activities, and two-week content? That’s pretty poor content for a game that calls itself an mmorpg. If they like a miniscule part of the game, that does not mean they like Guild Wars 2. I like the guns in Black Ops 2, does that mean I like it? Heck no.

Why does it have to be all or nothing though? If a person eats a DiAngelo’s because they love the Calzones, but they hate the pasta that’s also included on the menu. Does that mean DiAngelo’s sucks?

MrRuin.9740:

Sps.7862:

Leave it to you to take a fun side-game and somehow paint it as yet another problem of GW2.

You people need to stop looking for flaws. If you don’t enjoy the game, stop playing. Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to log. If you ask me, GW2 is a fine fine game albeit with a number of flaws and shortcomings, but your attitude is the real problem when it comes to enjoying the whole experience.

I think you missed the point of this thread.

I don’t think so. OP says there is a problem with the game because people are excited about a mini-game… I mean, how anticlimactic is that? This is just an incredibly negative approach to just about everything.

Instead of going “Oh, look, they’re bringing that really fun mini-game back, I’ll play again and check out what else is happening” the OP is taking the “Oh look, people are coming back for the mini-game and nothing else because the game blows in every aspect.”

Let’s be real here, there is maybe 2-3% of the people who will be coming back for the SAB who are going to be playing exclusively that without even touching the rest of the game. It’s just so negative to think otherwise, and a huge killjoy. I don’t understand why anyone with that sort of world view would bother playing games at all, it’s only a matter of time before they spoil it for themselves.

Genreninja.8516:

A good example: I never eat McDonalds, I’m not a fan of fast food in general. But when the Monopoly game is going, I pick up a soda, or some fries or whatever because me and my coworkers get excited about stupid competitions like that. We pool our pieces and try to win. But that doesn’t say “There is an obvious problem with McDonalds because the only reason I’ll eat there is when Monopoly is running.” Yes, it says I need extra motivation, I don’t care for the product but they occasionally offer something I want. but it doesn’t directly imply anything about the food itself. McDonalds is a multi-billion dollar juggernaut of success.

Lets make your example more in line with the game.

Lets say you love McDonalds. You eat there a few times a week and have many favorite things on the menu. Then over time, they start telling you they’re going to remove the different combo choices. Then they take away all cashiers except one and everyone ordering must gang up on that one cashier and shout their orders all at the same time and he will throw food out randomly and whatever you get is what you eat.
You try to do your own thing and go to the other counter to try to order. Noone can help you because everyone is rushing the one cashier. So you get smart and leave and go thru the drive thru. Yay, your order goes through. But whats this? The drive-thru attendant can only give you one fry per hour.
So…do you keep going back to McDonalds and loving it like you once did? Or do you just go at Monopoly time?

ZudetGambeous.9573:

The most exciting and anticipated update is one that makes you completely forget about the actual game and places you in a mini game that removes all skills, all story, all items, and all other aspects of the actual game and people are thrilled about it….

I already noticed that on SAB mk 1 release.

But it’s still fun no?

MrRuin.9740:

Genreninja.8516:

A good example: I never eat McDonalds, I’m not a fan of fast food in general. But when the Monopoly game is going, I pick up a soda, or some fries or whatever because me and my coworkers get excited about stupid competitions like that. We pool our pieces and try to win. But that doesn’t say “There is an obvious problem with McDonalds because the only reason I’ll eat there is when Monopoly is running.” Yes, it says I need extra motivation, I don’t care for the product but they occasionally offer something I want. but it doesn’t directly imply anything about the food itself. McDonalds is a multi-billion dollar juggernaut of success.

Lets make your example more in line with the game.

Lets say you love McDonalds. You eat there a few times a week and have many favorite things on the menu. Then over time, they start telling you they’re going to remove the different combo choices. Then they take away all cashiers except one and everyone ordering must gang up on that one cashier and shout their orders all at the same time and he will throw food out randomly and whatever you get is what you eat.
You try to do your own thing and go to the other counter to try to order. Noone can help you because everyone is rushing the one cashier. So you get smart and leave and go thru the drive thru. Yay, your order goes through. But whats this? The drive-thru attendant can only give you one fry per hour.
So…do you keep going back to McDonalds and loving it like you once did? Or do you just go at Monopoly time?

Your allusion escapes me…

I’m not saying GW2 is perfect. And I’m not saying the OP is wrong. I’m only saying the success of SAB doesn’t directly imply a failure of the rest of GW2. It simply doesn’t.

But alas, its not but an opinion I have about another posters opinion.

Genreninja.8516:

Your allusion escapes me…

I’m not saying GW2 is perfect. And I’m not saying the OP is wrong. I’m only saying the success of SAB doesn’t directly imply a failure of the rest of GW2. It simply doesn’t.

But alas, its not but an opinion I have about another posters opinion.

All I meant was, the analogy is flawed. McDonalds is pretty static and has been for years. Sure a few new menu items pop up and they have toys, but its pretty well the same experience going in now that it was 15 years ago. The same can’t be said for gw2.
It has changed alot and through all the updates to this one, a side-game is most looked forward to or most anticipated? That’s not good.
It doesnt directly imply the failure of gw2, no. But what should happen is this :

“Wow, look at the great new content in GW2, I can’t wait to get in there and partake. And oh look, they brought SAB back, that should be cool, I’ll have to check that out after I do some of this great new content”

as opposed to:

“SAB is back in GW2! Time to log in and play that wicked fun mini-game! Oh look, guess they changed some other content too. Might glance at that while I’m here. Maybe grind a few AP’s, but only after I play this wicked fun mini-game!”

Which version implies the game is going in a good direction?

Well it’s probably down to the fact that (imo) the gameplay/game in general is really quite poor.

Sps.7862:

MrRuin.9740:

Sps.7862:

Leave it to you to take a fun side-game and somehow paint it as yet another problem of GW2.

You people need to stop looking for flaws. If you don’t enjoy the game, stop playing. Nobody is holding a gun to your head forcing you to log. If you ask me, GW2 is a fine fine game albeit with a number of flaws and shortcomings, but your attitude is the real problem when it comes to enjoying the whole experience.

I think you missed the point of this thread.

I don’t think so. OP says there is a problem with the game because people are excited about a mini-game… I mean, how anticlimactic is that? This is just an incredibly negative approach to just about everything.

Instead of going “Oh, look, they’re bringing that really fun mini-game back, I’ll play again and check out what else is happening” the OP is taking the “Oh look, people are coming back for the mini-game and nothing else because the game blows in every aspect.”

Let’s be real here, there is maybe 2-3% of the people who will be coming back for the SAB who are going to be playing exclusively that without even touching the rest of the game. It’s just so negative to think otherwise, and a huge killjoy. I don’t understand why anyone with that sort of world view would bother playing games at all, it’s only a matter of time before they spoil it for themselves.

That’s only part of what I was trying to say. I wasn’t specifically even thinking of people returning only for SAB, but that is interesting. What i’m more getting at is that this update is bringing a lot more excitement then updates that actually effect the game world. I mean look at the Queen’s speech update. People were really excited to get some actual story, a big announcement, and some backstory… then the patch goes live and we get no announcement, 2 lines of story that turn the potentially interesting villain into a comical villain sue, and the only backstory came in a blog not the game itself. People were let down and the event was just a massive 2nd rate version of rifts.

I think the problem is that the higher quality content seems to come in the form of 8-bit graphics with no story… At least if the last SAB was anything to go by. Originally when the game was first starting the devs said that players didn’t want mini-games because they were always simplified, removed your skills and mechanics of the game and didn’t provide a compelling story like the rest of the game world. That is why bar brawl and the shooting gallery were originally scrapped. Now fast forward 1 year later and all players want is mini-games and distractions from the real game… why is that?

I contend that it is due to the fact that the skill progression (non-existent), the story progression (barely even registering on the existence scale), the fight mechanics (what happened to challenging mechanics in this game?), and the overall feel of the game has been declining, leading to players enjoying the mini-games over the actual game more and more.

That is something that I feel is a problem, and should be brought to light so hopefully something can be done about it. At the very least I would like the polish, commitment and ingenuity that seem to go into the mini-games to also go more into the actual world.

MrRuin.9740:

“Wow, look at the great new content in GW2, I can’t wait to get in there and partake. And oh look, they brought SAB back, that should be cool, I’ll have to check that out after I do some of this great new content”

as opposed to:

“SAB is back in GW2! Time to log in and play that wicked fun mini-game! Oh look, guess they changed some other content too. Might glance at that while I’m here. Maybe grind a few AP’s, but only after I play this wicked fun mini-game!”

Which version implies the game is going in a good direction?

I think this sums it up pretty good here. In my opinion the general players reaction should mirror the first response, but in actuality I think the vast majority of players would say the second.