Guild Wars 2

Just block them and report. I don’t understand the people who need to be the most efficient as possible leveling anyway. They cant waste a second of potential in game time. Yeah I was in queensdale farming champs to finish the monthly yesterday and I noticed this.

It’s courtesy to call out an event for others to be able to join in, but it is by no means required. They were jerks about it to be sure so I don’t feel sorry for them but in general it’s a nice thing to do for people in your zone.

Scary thing, makes me glad I can guest to underpopulated servers to know how boring (for my playstyle) a sizeable chunk of the playerbase can get.

Zerging the champions is hardly the quickest way to level. I tested it and I made a ton more experience per hour doing map completion than from the champion events.

When I see them harassing other players, I intentionally spawn and kill the troll to troll them. I’ve also done the same with the bandit and oak.

Ayrilana.1396:

Zerging the champions is hardly the quickest way to level. I tested it and I made a ton more experience per hour doing map completion than from the champion events.

When I see them harassing other players, I intentionally spawn and kill the troll to troll them. I’ve also done the same with the bandit and oak.

1-15 it is.

Just ignore them, block+report the more annoying ones, dance a little bit and go away as if nothing happened..

Is this really the advice we want to give in our community?

The Zerg pointed out that he should give a “Hey Troll is up” in map chat before starting the event. That is just common curtsey You know people are looking to do events and it doesn’t inconvenience you at all to just type a short phrase so that people can come join in if they want.

There is no reason for foul language but it sounded like you were just being rude OP. Perhaps you didn’t know, or realize that people were actively farming the Champs but once someone told you a simple “Oh sorry guys I didn’t realize” would have been much better than the trolling tactics people are encouraging you to do in this thread.

Just realize that in any area there are people looking for events. Spending the 5 seconds to type what even you are starting… Perhaps 10 seconds to link a waypoint is just being kind to your fellow gamers.

It is the mentality of the masses that the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the one. This is only the case if they are part of the many.

You can bet if they were the few or they one…They would be the in here crying bloody murder!

It’s event xp and karma. Hearts and DE’s are just as quick. The “most efficient way to level” is not really true. It’s just simpler to do while being just as quick as going through the map doing hearts and DE’s.

Honestly, riding a WvW zerg train and capping stuff while rolling over opposing zergs tend to be faster from what I’ve noticed. But this depends on server and a willingness to do pvp.

Once you get to lvl 30, dungeon running is really the fastest assuming you can find a like minded group to do back to back runs and not have to “LFG” after each run.

The worst part of it is the horrible scaling means 80s still 1-shot everything making it difficult for low levels to get their tag in, especially if the lowbies are inexperienced.

IMO, 80s should do equal level damage or slightly less to correct level characters because with all their traits they’re still going to mow down everything before anyone else can get a hit in.

Omg didn’t we have another thread just like this one last week? Something about people grinding events in queensdale?

just Ignore it jeez!

Probably some players getting antsy since they left that part of the monthly to the last minute. Would have been better if they asked, certainly. Always good to remember that your realmies will be the people fighting along side of you in the war.

When you see the trolls runestone or the hunter ready for the boar, just call it out before you start it. That way everybody (well, most people) will be happy. If people want things in a particular order, well that’s just tough…this is a game where other people join in and do what they want when they want.

Have to say that the champions really do go down far too quickly though. They’re not scaling up properly for the number of people they’re facing. Even the cave troll goes down in two minutes. It really is getting a bit ridiculous now.

This just points to a bigger problem in “Level-Appropriate” content not being rewarding or commensurate with “Skill” & Coordination. While Queensdale is full of level 50+ people in all Rare Gear …. the Mid-level zones are EMPTY except for a few newbies in Green & Blue gear clearly and SADLY struggling with harder content intended for atleast a Duo…
( I know b/c I spend most of my time on my 80’s in those mid-tier areas. But I do stop to help them whenever I can).

Hopefully the Blog Changes Colin announced will CHANGE THIS by giving players a lot more Materials they really WANT so they can go back to focusing on their mains directly or atleast getting a better variety of Crafting mats to PL their alts back in town on the crafting tables “like the rich kids get to do”

If you start an event that many people want to do, simply announce that in map chat.

You don’t owe the zerg anything however, so just ignore the idiots. Last thing you should concern yourself is doing events on somebody else’s schedule.

In the best case, you can wait until more people arrive. Beyond that, don’t feel bad about “disrupting” zerg trains.

Just go….

/m Hey troll is up…
wait 10s
/m And its gone…

Betting they are just trying to get the monthly done.

They are “inconveniencing” you? how?

1. Join the zerg for a bit
2. Figure out their path
3. Get some friends and do events out of sequence to mess up their pattern
4. Laugh in map.

If you like disrupting zerg trains do this…

You: “troll up”

Someguy: “troll isn’t up yet”

You: “yes it is. TROLOLOLOLOLOL”

there are also plains of ashford, caledon forest, metrica province and wayfarer foothills, but for some reason everybody run in queensdale…

This thread…
Nothing against you op, but the people screaming you should troll them and its completely awful and they are equivalent to bots for running a karma train should just leave the forum, go to Sparkfly Fen in the most unpopulated server and solo everything. If you can’t deal with people doing quests together just leave.

Next thing you know, anet has removed all events from queensdale.

well that would mean that actually any effort to stop the baddies in queensdale is working

Celebratty.1632:

This thread…
Nothing against you op, but the people screaming you should troll them and its completely awful and they are equivalent to bots for running a karma train should just leave the forum, go to Sparkfly Fen in the most unpopulated server and solo everything. If you can’t deal with people doing quests together just leave.

I’d be up for that. If only we had Vanquishing

Sorry but I can understand the underlying problem with having high level zerg trains running in low level areas thereby disrupting any new/low level game experience.

As such I dont mind people trolling zergs at all (its not like they really suffer from it) and if they are on such a fixed timetable they cant take disruptions then I def. say get out of the lowbie areas.

Poledo.3256:

It’s courtesy to call out an event for others to be able to join in, but it is by no means required. They were jerks about it to be sure so I don’t feel sorry for them but in general it’s a nice thing to do for people in your zone.

^this.. They reacted pretty stupid if you ask me. But still it is the nice thing to do if you see an event or champ spawn.

I actually don’t mind the zerg running around Qeensdale – it would almost be nice to see it happening in all the other areas. On my server, we don’t have fights about it. Everyone calls out events as they start, if you miss one, chances are you’re at the other one anyway, so nobody’s missing out. I’ve only ever seen one person try to start up something over map chat, and they were quickly told that they were welcome to join in with the zerg, or go about their business in any way they pleased.

I go to other areas and see some people calling out events, but nobody goes to them or tries to help. Other times there’s just no map chat at all, and I barely see anyone. I’d like to see a bit more of this co-operation going on in Ascalon or Maguuma, for instance. I never feel obliged to follow what everyone else is doing, but I will occasionally run for the zerg if I feel like some group play, if I’m a bit underlevelled for an area or something like that.

It’s inexcusable for the zerg to expect people to always know that they’re running, and rude to just whisper people horrible messages because someone triggered an event chain out of their sequence. However, it’s just as rude to respond to them in the same, provoking manner. The zerg don’t own the map, and you don’t owe them anything, but remember you don’t own the map either and they don’t owe you anything either.

I think everyone who voiced their advice in this thread on how to best troll the champion zerg in Queensdale should be banned from the game.
It’s one thing to play the game and do events, but intentionally disrupting dozens of players for the “lulz” should definitely be a bannable offense.

The Boz.2038:

I think everyone who voiced their advice in this thread on how to best troll the champion zerg in Queensdale should be banned from the game.
It’s one thing to play the game and do events, but intentionally disrupting dozens of players for the “lulz” should definitely be a bannable offense.

Trust me, I’m not a fan of the trolling suggestions, but by your logic don’t you think that the people in the zerg then should all be banned for speaking to the OP the way they did? They deliberately verbally abused the OP for “disrupting” their “lulz” and triggering an event chain out of sequence, which the OP didn’t deserve. I’m not saying the OP reacted in the best way, but I also think the zerg acted poorly initially. Retaliation isn’t always the best thing to do, but it’s human nature to respond to “insults”.

No, I agree, the OP-vs-Zerg thing was definitely bad form.

Kryptonite.9376:

so everyone (including yourself) can level as quickly and efficiently as possible?

Why would you want to do that? It’s not that much content you are missing out if you are not level 80 (2 Dungeons and 2-3 Areas)

Why would you ever want to speed up the development of your character ?

Both of you made “ethical” mistakes. You should have notified them of the event – it’s not required, but it’s the norm, and they should have not trash-talked you as well.

Well, lesson learned – though it’s kinda one sided since I doubt they are reading the forums. Remember that this is a MMO – your action affects others too.

Gosh, how often does the troll spawn? I cant even count the times that I see the “troll up” message when Im in queensdale. It’s not an event that you have to wait for 3 hours to come back. The zerg ppl could have just went on. What if there is some newby player running around in QD? Doesnt know anything jet. And then a zerg starts yelling at that person for starting an event. Because that is the problem here, they do it to new players as well. Instead of harrasing somebody. They could have just asked to call out nicely next time. The small amount of xp and karma from that event doesnt hurt them one bit.

TBH If I was a new player and something like that happend to me, I’d stop playing the game before even reaching lvl 20. We need to take care of our communities.

Haha, what I love is that I may well have triggered some of this awful behavior when I started playing, only I had no idea what map chat was, so wouldn’t have seen it anyway!

Though, really, my server is very nice, so I probably wouldn’t have. But I guess the joke’s on the zerg if they abuse a new player who doesn’t look at the chat.

Zerg trains in Queensdale are about to get a whole lot worse.

Champion Loot Updates

All of the champions in the game will now award a new bonus loot bag upon their death if you qualify for loot rewards on that boss when it is killed. These bags have a chance to contain rare crafting materials, items that award skill points, and more!

hahaha this thread…again…This is really simple: GW2 is a game designed around helping and being helpful. If you’re not being helpful and are being obstructive, people are going to say something. After the same thing happens a few times (sometimes because of d—bags) they simply start telling people off since they assume you’re being a d—bag. There’s no need to make a thread about this OP. Are you trying to justify being unhelpful to others? Because they don’t care about you, we don’t care about you, it doesn’t matter what you do. If you don’t want to play nice with others then don’t expect others to play nice with you.

data.4093:

hahaha this thread…again…This is really simple: GW2 is a game designed around helping and being helpful. If you’re not being helpful and are being obstructive, people are going to say something. After the same thing happens a few times (sometimes because of kittens) they simply start telling people off since they assume you’re being a kitten. There’s no need to make a thread about this OP. Are you trying to justify being unhelpful to others? Because they don’t care about you, we don’t care about you, it doesn’t matter what you do. If you don’t want to play nice with others then don’t expect others to play nice with you.

Um, I think you missed the point. OP wasn’t doing anything except playing the game. It was the zerg who weren’t playing nice with the OP. They could have just said, hey, mind notifying people via map chat in future? But they went straight to the verbal abuse. Why should the OP want to play nice with that? Works both ways, you know?

data.4093:

hahaha this thread…again…This is really simple: GW2 is a game designed around helping and being helpful. If you’re not being helpful and are being obstructive, people are going to say something. After the same thing happens a few times (sometimes because of kittens) they simply start telling people off since they assume you’re being a kitten. There’s no need to make a thread about this OP. Are you trying to justify being unhelpful to others? Because they don’t care about you, we don’t care about you, it doesn’t matter what you do. If you don’t want to play nice with others then don’t expect others to play nice with you.

I care. I’d like everyone to enjoy this game without a group of kittenes shouting them down for not following their rules.

PS – The tone of your post, and your attitude in general, sucks.

I don’t call out bosses in map chat anymore, I just solo them and move on. People were jerks to me when I solo’d, so now I’m the jerk and I love seeing the Zerg trains rage at me for it. There is no law that says you must call out champions before starting. Zerg trains shouldn’t be happening anyway, it ruins the experience for new players.

data.4093:

hahaha this thread…again…This is really simple: GW2 is a game designed around helping and being helpful. If you’re not being helpful and are being obstructive, people are going to say something. After the same thing happens a few times (sometimes because of kittens) they simply start telling people off since they assume you’re being a kitten. There’s no need to make a thread about this OP. Are you trying to justify being unhelpful to others? Because they don’t care about you, we don’t care about you, it doesn’t matter what you do. If you don’t want to play nice with others then don’t expect others to play nice with you.

No offense, but that type of mentality ruins games. It DOES matter what you do. Who the hell cares if he didn’t call out a champion in map chat? Find another champion. Go kill the krait witch in the zone south of Queensdale. She’s always up. All the op was doing was playing the game the way it was meant to be played, not being obstructive. Go back to Wow.

darkace.8925:

Zerg trains in Queensdale are about to get a whole lot worse.

Champion Loot Updates

All of the champions in the game will now award a new bonus loot bag upon their death if you qualify for loot rewards on that boss when it is killed. These bags have a chance to contain rare crafting materials, items that award skill points, and more!

It will get people back to Orr, lots of champs there.
But you might be right and people would go for the easy champs.

darkace.8925:

Zerg trains in Queensdale are about to get a whole lot worse.

Champion Loot Updates

All of the champions in the game will now award a new bonus loot bag upon their death if you qualify for loot rewards on that boss when it is killed. These bags have a chance to contain rare crafting materials, items that award skill points, and more!

Or maybe not. The key word for me is “if you qualify for loot rewards on that boss when it is killed”, makes me think they’ll do something like the bonus chests for open worls bosses, make them once per account (or once per character maybe), if that’s the case then it might make the zergs actually go to other zones for champion hunting once they’ve killed all in one zone so they can get better rewards.

CrossedHorse.4261:

Um, I think you missed the point. OP wasn’t doing anything except playing the game. It was the zerg who weren’t playing nice with the OP. They could have just said, hey, mind notifying people via map chat in future? But they went straight to the verbal abuse. Why should the OP want to play nice with that? Works both ways, you know?

Disruptions like this have been happening for a while so people get upset easily and are assuming he’s messing with them. The thing is, we don’t know the contents of the conversations- only OPs post.

It’s also common courtesy to say “troll up”. If I start an event that I know others want to participate in and keep them out of it then I’m being a d**k.

I should be telling them whenever I start a champ event. I tell them that they are inconveniencing me

See this? Don’t do this. All he has to say is “troll up”. People aren’t going to bash or praise him. They don’t care about him, they want the troll.

I care. I’d like everyone to enjoy this game without a group of kittenes shouting them down for not following their rules.

You’re misinterpreting my text and seeing it in a negative tone. OP actually echoes my line “we don’t care about you” here:

Now I don’t usually care about what other players do to level or farm gold

data.4093:

CrossedHorse.4261:

Um, I think you missed the point. OP wasn’t doing anything except playing the game. It was the zerg who weren’t playing nice with the OP. They could have just said, hey, mind notifying people via map chat in future? But they went straight to the verbal abuse. Why should the OP want to play nice with that? Works both ways, you know?

Disruptions like this have been happening for a while so people get upset easily and are assuming he’s messing with them. The thing is, we don’t know the contents of the conversations- only OPs post.

It’s also common courtesy to say “troll up”. If I start an event that I know others want to participate in and keep them out of it then I’m being a d**k.

I should be telling them whenever I start a champ event. I tell them that they are inconveniencing me

See this? Don’t do this. All he has to say is “troll up”. People aren’t going to bash or praise him. They don’t care about him, they want the troll.

I care. I’d like everyone to enjoy this game without a group of kittenes shouting them down for not following their rules.

You’re misinterpreting my text and seeing it in a negative tone. OP actually echoes my line “we don’t care about you” here:

Now I don’t usually care about what other players do to level or farm gold

To be fair, I haven’t played all THAT long, and when I started I didn’t know about map chat – what is was or that it didn’t show up automatically. I wouldn’t even have known that this is what was happening or that I should be calling out the fact that a champ was up (wouldn’t have known how to do it). I’m not saying this is the case with the OP, I’m just saying this to show that saying “this has been going on for a while now” isn’t a valid reason for saying the OP should have known better.

I agree, the OP should have just said, “sorry, I’ll call it out in future”, but again, it was a reaction to hostile comments. We don’t always react to hostility with kindness. That it might have escalated is a separate issue.

Like I said before, I don’t care if there’s a zerg. I certainly don’t mind calling out a champ, and I don’t mind them running over to join in. I won’t wait for them if I want to proc an event, and I don’t expect them to wait for me. But if someone is going to be a kitten about it then yeah, I care. It’s not right, and never will be right.

The zerg in question and the OP both reacted badly to the situation. But that doesn’t mean that the OP has no right to post about it here.

Queensdale is filled with Champs, so no need to call out every time on mapchat when one of those champies spawns, imho..

When I trigger a champ event, I only put on my commander, without mentioning anything in mapchat.. The attentive players will see that all of a sudden a dorito appeared at an event location and come by.. The zerg train will stare at their mapchat only, so they’ll miss it..

And when they noticed you have done an event without them, just start reporting their flames.. Works like a charm all the time!

Unless they have a friend standing there; who could have called it out in your stead. How would they know who started the event?

And if the troll actually died before they waypoint there, it means that there is a sizable group around. In which case, it does not matter if you called it or not because they wont get there in time.

Me? I will call it out but I will not wait. Soloing the Troll (and other Champions) is fun, if the troll dies before someone gets there, well the Troll always dies before everyone gets there anyways so too bad – try again in a few, the Troll spawns very fast.

If a zerk cannot reach their target fast enough everytime, they have only their awful zerking skill to blame =P

The Boz.2038:

I think everyone who voiced their advice in this thread on how to best troll the champion zerg in Queensdale should be banned from the game.
It’s one thing to play the game and do events, but intentionally disrupting dozens of players for the “lulz” should definitely be a bannable offense.

If a zerg is running around helping people run champion events for XP and rewards, there’s no issue with it at all, but as soon as someone starts being an kitten about it, then the rules change. People like you run around in a zerg and then scream at others for breaking your precious chain, not giving a care in the world for the fact that the person doing it might be new to the game and completely confused about what is going on.
Arenanet sure as hell isn’t going to do anything about the people verbally harassing others for some perceived slight, so it’s up to the players to do something about it.

The ones who should be banned are the idiots in the zerg that start hurling insults when someone does something that doesn’t fit their myopic view of how the game should be played.

knives.6345:

Both of you made “ethical” mistakes. You should have notified them of the event – it’s not required, but it’s the norm, and they should have not trash-talked you as well.

Well, lesson learned – though it’s kinda one sided since I doubt they are reading the forums. Remember that this is a MMO – your action affects others too.

The OP isnt required to notify anyone of anything. It is not his fault that the zerg train was formed. Hes playing the game as he wants to. Sees an event and kicks it off. Theres no rulebook here.