Guild Wars 2

much more so than HOT masteries. unless of course you want to shell out even more cash for season 2.

I haven’t really bothered with the central Tyria masteries. You’re right, it’s far more annoying to get them than the HoT ones, and the XP grind for them seems more annoying too, since the majority of endgame stuff happens in HoT maps rather than ones where you get XP for Tyria masteries.

hardy.7469:

I haven’t really bothered with the central Tyria masteries. You’re right, it’s far more annoying to get them than the HoT ones, and the XP grind for them seems more annoying too, since the majority of endgame stuff happens in HoT maps rather than ones where you get XP for Tyria masteries.

agreed but i want the autoloot and i already have 2 in fractals for better loot. running out of ways to gain them here xD

It took me forever to get autoloot since I only do PvE. I really wish they would add more mastery points for PvE only players. I’m sure there will be many responses saying there are more than enough and how people need to go into PvP, WvW, etc. They don’t seem to get it that there are many people who just like to do PvE.

Tekoneiric.6817:

It took me forever to get autoloot since I only do PvE. I really wish they would add more mastery points for PvE only players. I’m sure there will be many responses saying there are more than enough and how people need to go into PvP, WvW, etc. They don’t seem to get it that there are many people who just like to do PvE.

Masteries are PvE-only and you can earn Mastery Points in PvE-only. What are you talking about?

Icdan Sevaen.4628:

Tekoneiric.6817:

It took me forever to get autoloot since I only do PvE. I really wish they would add more mastery points for PvE only players. I’m sure there will be many responses saying there are more than enough and how people need to go into PvP, WvW, etc. They don’t seem to get it that there are many people who just like to do PvE.

Masteries are PvE only and you can earn Mastery Points in PvE-only. What are you talking about?

Sorry, I meant Fractals. It’s been awhile since I looked at them. There are 14 locked up in Fractals. Plus many of the ones listed aren’t really usable since they did a fizbin on the whole central Tyria mastery point system. Back when I was trying to finish my commander mastery track I counted up how many I should have which seemed short. Even though they are listed separately on the wiki many seem to over lap and only count as one. I stopped trying to get them after I finished my autoloot.

In my option mastery points should be for when you master something. Like reaching 80 the first time on each profession and each race, when you reach 500 on a crafting skill the first time, finishing the slayer achievement which takes awhile and mastering each weapon. There should be an achievement of Master Gatherer for people who like farming maps. Reach some high number on all nodes and get the point plus a mastery point. Honorary Skritt should be a mastery.

More options for people who want to take different paths is better.

Out of the 3 lines the only one that held any interest for me was pact commander. It took me forever to finally get the final 4 points for that. Especially since I waited to get more points due to the wiki originally saying I got a point for every chapter on a new race with the PS. I finally decided to do the first four chapters in season 2, less that a play session for each but at least I got the points.

Please tell WHERE the difficulty lies, because I unlocked it all in one go when it was released (well, save the exp grind, which i mostly got from fractals)

Amaimon.7823:

Please tell WHERE the difficulty lies, because I unlocked it all in one go when it was released (well, save the exp grind, which i mostly got from fractals)

Yea been playing said game for 3 years before masteries I had 48-50 points when the system came.

I wonder what have you other people been doing? playing the tradepost?

1) get LS2
2) complete LS2
3) you are now done with 16% of the mastery points required to max out all core masteries

Complete the personal story on 1 character and now you are almost 1/3rd done.

Linken.6345:

Amaimon.7823:

Please tell WHERE the difficulty lies, because I unlocked it all in one go when it was released (well, save the exp grind, which i mostly got from fractals)

Yea been playing said game for 3 years before masteries I had 48-50 points when the system came.

I wonder what have you other people been doing? playing the tradepost?

If you do not have LS2 there is a big chunk of MPs right there you are missing.

The reason you had 48+ points is because you probably had all the achievements from LS2 done as well. For those who do not have LS2, they are at a huge disadvantage, 9 mastery points can be obtained from LS2 alone.

At least 4 of the mastery points are RNG bosses based in the Silverwastes. And another five are locked to Triple Trouble, one for each head and two for the meta achievement, these three bosses doesn’t get a lot of attention these days.

So for a new player it may be difficult to obtain these mastery points. Not everyone has played for all four years.

Zephic.3075:

The reason you had 48+ points is because you probably had all the achievements from LS2 done as well. For those who do not have LS2, they are at a huge disadvantage, 9 mastery points can be obtained from LS2 alone.

At least 4 of the mastery points are RNG bosses based in the Silverwastes. And another five are locked to Triple Trouble, one for each head and two for the meta achievement, these three bosses doesn’t get a lot of attention these days.

So for a new player it may be difficult to obtain these mastery points. Not everyone has played for all four years.

Actually the TT ones are some of the easier ones to obtain since several groups do organize runs of those each day. The more annoying ones would be the RNG reliant ones in Silverwastes. A bunch of the fractal ones are also extremely easy.

Agree on the fractals, most are easy. I haven’t seen triple trouble being done in a long while, but admittedly it may be just the hours that I play.

Zephic.3075:

Agree on the fractals, most are easy. I haven’t seen triple trouble being done in a long while, but admittedly it may be just the hours that I play.

yea tt only spawn 6 timse each 24 hours so

Tekoneiric.6817:

Sorry, I meant Fractals. It’s been awhile since I looked at them. There are 14 locked up in Fractals.
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There are 11 points required for fractal masteries. If you don’t care about them, then (in effect) only 3 masteries are locked behind fractals.

Tekoneiric.6817:

More options for people who want to take different paths is better.

Not counting fractals, one needs 38 points to unlock the other two lines and (not counting fractals) there are 52 available points. There already are lots of options.

I’m not against ANet adding another 10-15 points to give us more options. I just don’t think we should exaggerate the situation.

I really wish the game gave a few MPs for maxxing crafting out…

I have a feeling that Episode 2 will take place in Central Tyria (Caudecus attacking Divinity’s Reach maybe?) and thus all the mastery point rewards from the missions will be for Central Tyria masteries.

Options are always good. Personally, I think they should have put some masteries behind more jumping puzzles.

It seems to me that at least some of the Mastery points in core are kind of ridiculous in terms of what’s required to get them compared to other points available in both core and HoT. “Unlock 90 pieces of cultural armor,” “Unlock 18 pieces of Asc. Armor” and “collect 16 Ambrite weapons” are all massive grinds when compared to “Do a story step” or “Open a strongbox.” Then there’s Koutalophile, which is either time consuming, a grind or a gold sink, depending on how one goes for them.

Thankfully, there are more points available (66) than needed (49). The problems start creeping in, though, when you want all three lines done but exclude things that require grind, or unpalatable content. At this point, I’ve completed the Fractal and Pact Commander lines with no points left, and since I’ve no interest in either the legendary tract or the remaining point unlocks, my XP bar just sits at max. So, not a problem for me, but I can see how points in core are viewed as a PITA.

I agree. Fortunately, the only thing I wanted was the autoloot and I got it. I am not interested in fractals and legendaries. I want mastery points I can just run to and collect, like on HoT maps. I’m not an achievement collector. : /

Linken.6345:

Amaimon.7823:

Please tell WHERE the difficulty lies, because I unlocked it all in one go when it was released (well, save the exp grind, which i mostly got from fractals)

Yea been playing said game for 3 years before masteries I had 48-50 points when the system came.

I wonder what have you other people been doing? playing the tradepost?

I’ve been here just as long and over 3000 hours and only had 10? 12? Why, cause I hadn’t done dungeons, fractals, finished the stories, do big organized content like TTW and Teq post change. Didn’t know ahead of time that those optional content was going to be a requirement for CT Masteries. Assumed it would be all exploration and world bosses.

I’m in favor of additional core mastery point options being added to the game.

IndigoSundown.5419:

It seems to me that at least some of the Mastery points in core are kind of ridiculous in terms of what’s required to get them compared to other points available in both core and HoT. “Unlock 90 pieces of cultural armor,” “Unlock 18 pieces of Asc. Armor” and “collect 16 Ambrite weapons” are all massive grinds when compared to “Do a story step” or “Open a strongbox.” Then there’s Koutalophile, which is either time consuming, a grind or a gold sink, depending on how one goes for them.

Thankfully, there are more points available (66) than needed (49). The problems start creeping in, though, when you want all three lines done but exclude things that require grind, or unpalatable content. At this point, I’ve completed the Fractal and Pact Commander lines with no points left, and since I’ve no interest in either the legendary tract or the remaining point unlocks, my XP bar just sits at max. So, not a problem for me, but I can see how points in core are viewed as a PITA.

Yea, it certainly does feel the CT points tend to hold a lot more grinds, rng, or just plain gold sinks.

I really don’t get the silverwastes ones. When do those extra bosses appear?

While I think that crazy grinds like the ones mentioned in this thread should have mastery points attached to them, and speaking as someone who had all 49 of the points on the day the masteries came out and only had to grind out the exp, I also agree that there should be more variety and places where people can find them. It does seem like they tend to be centered in certain types of content—lots in SW or LS2, for example—while other types of content or maps are kind of bereft. I’ve been sort of idly picking up extra points, partly because I suppose I’ll need them someday and partly because I’m a little bit completionist in some ways still. At the very least, it would be an easy way to give people more stuff to do.

ArchonWing.9480:

I really don’t get the silverwastes ones. When do those extra bosses appear?

Random, during the Mordrem attacks on a pact controlled outpost. Maybe there is a minimum lvl of the map/outposts needed.

Zephic.3075:

The reason you had 48+ points is because you probably had all the achievements from LS2 done as well. For those who do not have LS2, they are at a huge disadvantage, 9 mastery points can be obtained from LS2 alone.

At least 4 of the mastery points are RNG bosses based in the Silverwastes. And another five are locked to Triple Trouble, one for each head and two for the meta achievement, these three bosses doesn’t get a lot of attention these days.

So for a new player it may be difficult to obtain these mastery points. Not everyone has played for all four years.

Of the handful of times I’ve tried the Triple Trouble I’ve yet to see it succeed. There were too few players there to really even attempt it. I wonder if most players don’t skip it once they have the mastery. They should up the rewards to lure more players otherwise it’s a waste of time to even try it.

Dayra.7405:

ArchonWing.9480:

I really don’t get the silverwastes ones. When do those extra bosses appear?

Random, during the Mordrem attacks on a pact controlled outpost. Maybe there is a minimum lvl of the map/outposts needed.

I think it’s something like level 4, but the most important thing is to keep an eye on map chat. Other players will kindly announce a legendary when they spawn.

Zoltar MacRoth.7146:

Dayra.7405:

ArchonWing.9480:

I really don’t get the silverwastes ones. When do those extra bosses appear?

Random, during the Mordrem attacks on a pact controlled outpost. Maybe there is a minimum lvl of the map/outposts needed.

I think it’s something like level 4, but the most important thing is to keep an eye on map chat. Other players will kindly announce a legendary when they spawn.

I have seen them spawn at low levels. So it is RNG. The problem is that people kill the legendaries way too fast. If you are on the other side of the map, you have no chance of getting there in time.

ArchonWing.9480:

I really don’t get the silverwastes ones. When do those extra bosses appear?

It’s random, but you can increase the chances a lot to the point that it’s almost certain that you’ll see legendary bosses spawn. They don’t spawn unless the fort is up and there’s evidence that the chances that they’ll spawn go up the longer a fort remains in Pact hands.

The key to keeping the forts up is to keep supply running constantly for the buffs and make use of siege & tactically call airstrikes when you need them. A small group of 12-20 can manage this for the entire map, by dedicating people to escort duty and a couple of people to stay close to each fort. (To avoid hitting DR, folks can trade off roles, as long as no one leaves the yaks or forts too long without help.)

On full maps, this tends to happen naturally. A lot of times, though, people don’t use take advantage of siege or spend too much tagging events to protect forts or yaks or both, and so it’s possible to go an entire cycle from start to breach without seeing a legendary.

I believe that you can protect just the fort that you need (if red or blue, since those have their own yaks from base) or just the two forts in the supply chain (red+amber or blue+grape). I don’t know if that’s better or worse — generally, if I’ve been on a map that can protect two forts like that, it will protect all four (mostly).

tl;dr guard supply, protect forts — don’t go full skritt on collecting event rewards (shinies!) unless you’re sure it’s safe.

Illconceived Was Na.9781:

— don’t go full skritt on collecting event rewards (shinies!) unless you’re sure it’s safe.

That’s right! Never go full skritt.

Agreed.

In HoT you just landed on a perch and touched some of the points. Pretty sure in Central I have to do dumb crap to get the points. Without the freebies from just playing a PS it’s a pain.

I do Triple Trouble once or twice a week with one of my guilds. If you go to the map 10-15 mins before the event starts you might see some map chat inviting people to join the squad.

I’ve also seen LFGs for SW events, especially when it’s the daily, that might help to get a legend spawn.

I need 1 point before I’ve unlocked all the central masteries, the list to chose from is pretty small (I’ve done LS2 including Luminescent armour). I only have expensive collections and fractal achievements now. I think I’ll check some guides and try to do one of the easy fractal ones.

IndigoSundown.5419:

Then there’s Koutalophile, which is either time consuming, a grind or a gold sink, depending on how one goes for them.

The Ascended and Cultural collections are way out of my price range. But the Koutalophile is easy and budget friendly.

The only spoon you buy without Karma is Imperial Chef Yileng’s Golden Spoon, which depending on how you buy it will cost 10g max, the wiki has a price list.

The three reward spoons: I got the fractal spoon on a level 7 fractal (my friend got it on the level 2 fractal after only ever doing 2 fractals in his life). While I was at the Cliffside fractal, I did the “bow” achievement for another CT point, which is just doing the /bow emote at the end of the fractal.

I can’t remember when I got the WvW spoon, I’ve only played 20 minutes of the game mode, so I think it’s not too difficult if you run with a zerg for a bit.

McKelly.6317:

I can’t remember when I got the WvW spoon, I’ve only played 20 minutes of the game mode, so I think it’s not too difficult if you run with a zerg for a bit.

Good luck farming for the WvW spoon. You don’t get that one by farming. It’s completely random as an exotic drop. I tried farming for weeks for that thing. Then I finally got that spoon randomly months after I had maxed every mastery for Tyria mastery and no longer needed points.

For those going for Tyria mastery and getting stuck on the ugly ones. I highly recommend Triple Trouble. It’s the least daunting of them all and easily done when you actually look for organized groups.

Menadena.7482:

Linken.6345:

Amaimon.7823:

Please tell WHERE the difficulty lies, because I unlocked it all in one go when it was released (well, save the exp grind, which i mostly got from fractals)

Yea been playing said game for 3 years before masteries I had 48-50 points when the system came.

I wonder what have you other people been doing? playing the tradepost?

If you do not have LS2 there is a big chunk of MPs right there you are missing.

If you don’t have LS2, then you’re deliberately not having the game, the game is tailored to people who have the game. it’s like saying you have a kitchen, but not stove, and then complain you can’t heat food

Azure Prower.8701:

Good luck farming for the WvW spoon. You don’t get that one by farming.

Actually, you do. It’s rng, but it’s not a complete rng – it drops from tower/keep commanders and has (or at least had) a decent drop rate. I’d suggest running an EotM train for it.

I had all but one mastery point that I needed to max out all my Tyria masteries at launch, and then got that one in Fractals by accident. So I don’t know whats difficult

I need just 3 more MPs to max my Tyria masteries and all the remaining ones just seem way out of reach. I started the cultural armour one then realised just how much gold it was going to cost. I started the ambrite one and the geode requirement was overwhelming. I wasn’t that bothered about maxing them because the last one is Legendaries and I will never make one but now there is the carrot of XP becoming useful again once masteries are maxed.

Amaimon.7823:

Menadena.7482:

Linken.6345:

Amaimon.7823:

Please tell WHERE the difficulty lies, because I unlocked it all in one go when it was released (well, save the exp grind, which i mostly got from fractals)

Yea been playing said game for 3 years before masteries I had 48-50 points when the system came.

I wonder what have you other people been doing? playing the tradepost?

If you do not have LS2 there is a big chunk of MPs right there you are missing.

If you don’t have LS2, then you’re deliberately not having the game, the game is tailored to people who have the game. it’s like saying you have a kitchen, but not stove, and then complain you can’t heat food

You’d have a point here if the Living Story 2 wasn’t locked behind a paywall for those who were away that year or didn’t buy the game until after it was over.

Sartharina.3542:

I really wish the game gave a few MPs for maxxing crafting out…

It would be handy. Admittedly crafting is just gold since there are so many guides however it is actually working towards something. There is already an achievement for what, 8 500s even.

Amaimon.7823:

If you don’t have LS2, then you’re deliberately not having the game

You do realize people still signed up for the game after LS2 ended, right?

McKelly.6317:

IndigoSundown.5419:

Then there’s Koutalophile, which is either time consuming, a grind or a gold sink, depending on how one goes for them.

The Ascended and Cultural collections are way out of my price range. But the Koutalophile is easy and budget friendly.

The only spoon you buy without Karma is Imperial Chef Yileng’s Golden Spoon, which depending on how you buy it will cost 10g max, the wiki has a price list.

The three reward spoons: I got the fractal spoon on a level 7 fractal (my friend got it on the level 2 fractal after only ever doing 2 fractals in his life). While I was at the Cliffside fractal, I did the “bow” achievement for another CT point, which is just doing the /bow emote at the end of the fractal.

I can’t remember when I got the WvW spoon, I’ve only played 20 minutes of the game mode, so I think it’s not too difficult if you run with a zerg for a bit.

Yeah, I goofed on that one, not realizing that the various entries for the Imperial Chef one were different ways to get the same thing.

I’m still not likely to finish Koutalophile even though I’ve got a lot of Teq and Siege Commander spoons and plenty of Karma. The fractal spoon would be a problem as I have no interest in pugging and I must have bad luck because guilds I’ve joined keep dying out. As to the chef, I’d probably end up going the laurel/ecto route, and that’s a bit pricey for a Mastery point.

Still, you’re right that it’s not in the same universe as the other two.

Pugging fractals can be done by labeling them as casual/new on low level ones, especially whatever the daily level is. I usually warn them I don’t really know the stuff. This generally attracts the people only here for the reward on the daily fractal and nobody is going to break out the elitist on a level 1 fractal. Also avoid ones that are a bit more complicated than smash smash smash such as the uncategorized or archdiviner one. Urban Battleground on a low level, for example, can be done by anyone even without 5 people.

Of course, if you do not do fractals enough to earn the points there you probably are not interested in the fractal mastery line anyway. Well, unless you are doing it for completeness sake (and to get the spirit shards) but there is another thread about that.

Probably the best way to approach it if your main care is pact mastery (and maybe some of the legendary line) is to get gold, use that to buy some gems, then purchase however much of season 2 to get the MPs you need. You can hop around chapters so look on the wiki to see which ones look easier. Insights and chests in CT would be nice but for some reason we do not have them.

Sartharina.3542:

Amaimon.7823:

Menadena.7482:

Linken.6345:

Amaimon.7823:

Please tell WHERE the difficulty lies, because I unlocked it all in one go when it was released (well, save the exp grind, which i mostly got from fractals)

Yea been playing said game for 3 years before masteries I had 48-50 points when the system came.

I wonder what have you other people been doing? playing the tradepost?

If you do not have LS2 there is a big chunk of MPs right there you are missing.

If you don’t have LS2, then you’re deliberately not having the game, the game is tailored to people who have the game. it’s like saying you have a kitchen, but not stove, and then complain you can’t heat food

You’d have a point here if the Living Story 2 wasn’t locked behind a paywall for those who were away that year or didn’t buy the game until after it was over.

Its still a whole point, because sometimes people sell kitchens, and then add in a free stove if you buy it within 2 weeks from the store’s grand opening, after that, you gotta buy the stove seperately

Amaimon.7823:

Sartharina.3542:

Amaimon.7823:

Menadena.7482:

Linken.6345:

Amaimon.7823:

Please tell WHERE the difficulty lies, because I unlocked it all in one go when it was released (well, save the exp grind, which i mostly got from fractals)

Yea been playing said game for 3 years before masteries I had 48-50 points when the system came.

I wonder what have you other people been doing? playing the tradepost?

If you do not have LS2 there is a big chunk of MPs right there you are missing.

If you don’t have LS2, then you’re deliberately not having the game, the game is tailored to people who have the game. it’s like saying you have a kitchen, but not stove, and then complain you can’t heat food

You’d have a point here if the Living Story 2 wasn’t locked behind a paywall for those who were away that year or didn’t buy the game until after it was over.

Its still a whole point, because sometimes people sell kitchens, and then add in a free stove if you buy it within 2 weeks from the store’s grand opening, after that, you gotta buy the stove seperately

In your analogy they’ve a monopoly on stoves and offer Bunsen burners if you refuse.