Guild Wars 2

the dailys new and even old are dictatiing how we play the game. I think the system only servers to make the game feel like a chore.
heres why;

for example i pretty much only log to do some wvwvw. this makes my kill count tally fill very fast , no problem, that gets ticked off the daily while i enjoy my chosen way to play.
I can usually do the events part very fast while spending my time how i choose.
farming nodes again usually pretty fast with out stopping what i want to be doing.
reviving , sometimes this is fine as a static battle will serve up folk to revive. However if the only map u can get on is empty then its a problem and i have to find another solution. So i can stop what i want to be doing and go to some npc event in a place i dont want to be simply to tick a box. THIS is me having to alter how i enjoy my game to fill a quota.
The kill variety again difficult to fill in wvwvw without changing maps or leaving altogether which once more means I’m being dictated how i spend my time.

you get the idea , some things i can fill by doing what i want while some are a problem.
Some folk will find others are the ones that make them stop what they CHOOSE to be doing and fill some requirement to complete the daily.
now the fact that its relatively simple to more to a zone where npc’s die just so you can res them is not the issue.
it’s the fact that you cant complete the daily by playing the game exactly how you choose. Those amongst you who have the time to spend doing your daily as a prelude to doing what you want to be doing might not see this as much of a problem , but if you have less time to play you feel its more valuable and resent having to stop your choice of fun to meet arbitrary requirments.

I think the dailys should be able to be completed by a flexible system for example, at present if i do 5 events thats 20% of the daily done. however if i do 15 events then its still only 20%. while to me it should be 60% of it done. same goes for any of the other requirments , if you complete any part multiple times playing the game YOUR chosen way it should count.

So for me this would mean i could complete the daily by doing lots of events and killing lots of enemy in wvwvw and not be reqiured to stop and go looking for random things to kill or npcs to revive in some lowbie zone ive no interest in being in.

or some guy for example could complete the daily be doing 5 times the required harvesting or whatever. The point being we are not then forced into doing activities not of our choosing.
After all theres a name for an activitiy where you are forced to carry out tasks not of your choosing for reward, its called work and I do it to pay the bills , I dont enjoy feeling like my gaming time is feeling like a second job.

They need to bring the dailies and the monthlies into alignment with their stated (not implemented) play it your way philosophy. As it is, it is a glaring contradiction in its present form.

It is a choice to decide to do the dailies, no one is forcing you or anyone else to complete them.

Just like it is a choice to acquire Legendary weapon skins.

I do not feel forced into doing any of these things, if i want the reward for there completion then i will work on completing it.

You couldn’t have just posted this in one of the other 7 or so threads covering this exact same thing on the front page alone?

Honestly, without the dailies/monthlies, idk what to do/where to start.

hated gathering , events and wvw.
just wanna play dugeons all day..
guess gotta cope up with it till the actual system that let us choose dailies implemented..
do i mention i hate the open world?
ofcourse i don’t have to, but who doesn’t wanna have the best stats for their toons?

Another guy jumping bandwagon, complaints about whats popular to complain about at this time.
Then same replys will follow, explaining how he’s not forced to play any way etc. Do we
really need new thread about same complaining every day?
Do you want dailys completed? YES? Then you will do what its required for them. If you want only to play WvW wtf do you care about dailys? Those 50 pts stats improvment will make 0 difference in your WvW performance.

Dradiin.8935:

It is a choice to decide to do the dailies, no one is forcing you or anyone else to complete them.

Just like it is a choice to acquire Legendary weapon skins.

I do not feel forced into doing any of these things, if i want the reward for there completion then i will work on completing it.

Legendaries are pure cosmetics. Laurels however provide a way to gain acended items that has a small, but non-zero, stat increase vs exotics.

i loved the open world during levelling up an gearing up.
but now its too easy, boring.
i was forcing myself to do the living story… it was no challenge whatsoever.
came up into a flame legion camp like a kitten truck.
i bashed them like there is no tomorrow and it felt.. boring.

so mostly. im a dungeon runner now.
either that or do an alt.
(no, i wont “grind” orr or destroy a lvl 15 map with my lvl 80 toon)

the dailys for me are not fun to do.

I’d agree with you if the dailies weren’t stupid easy.

But seeing as how they are…..

I really don’t care what Anet puts in that box. So long as it works (hi, combo killer lol)

Sooooooooo, dailies are FORCING you to play in a certain way until you do them and otherwise you cannot play?

If it bothers you then ignore them, if you CHOOSE to do them, then stop complaining.

Avatar.1923:

i loved the open world during levelling up an gearing up.
but now its too easy, boring.
i was forcing myself to do the living story… it was no challenge whatsoever.
came up into a flame legion camp like a kitten truck.
i bashed them like there is no tomorrow and it felt.. boring.

so mostly. im a dungeon runner now.
either that or do an alt.
(no, i wont “grind” orr or destroy a lvl 15 map with my lvl 80 toon)

the dailys for me are not fun to do.

just so you’re aware, the Living Story hasn’t really started yet. Right now we just have that title to work towards and those handful of events that have been added in to Wayfarer and Diessa.

Don’t take it at face value. It hasn’t begun.

As with everything in programming, this will probably be an iterative process. What they could do in the near future is expand the pool of criteria to include;

5/7 Completed Achieved for Credit
XX/XX Events Completed – Dungeon Bosses/Dungeon Events/WvW Events count
XX/XX Daily Kills – Dungeon/WvW/All PvX kills
XX/XX Crafted Items
XX/XX Gathering
XX/XX Combo Triggers
XX/XX Environmental Weapon Uses/Siege Counts
XX/XX Structure Kill (includes killing siege, doors, any static item with a healthbar)
XX/XX Cowapult Yourself (or any other random goofy $#!% there is to do)
XX/XX Keg Brawls
XX/XX Bar Brawls
etc…

ya they should just give everyone laurels for logging in

Oreoz.2573:

Avatar.1923:

i loved the open world during levelling up an gearing up.
but now its too easy, boring.
i was forcing myself to do the living story… it was no challenge whatsoever.
came up into a flame legion camp like a kitten truck.
i bashed them like there is no tomorrow and it felt.. boring.

so mostly. im a dungeon runner now.
either that or do an alt.
(no, i wont “grind” orr or destroy a lvl 15 map with my lvl 80 toon)

the dailys for me are not fun to do.

just so you’re aware, the Living Story hasn’t really started yet. Right now we just have that title to work towards and those handful of events that have been added in to Wayfarer and Diessa.

Don’t take it at face value. It hasn’t begun.

they could have at least put a level 80 beast coming out of the ground and going all pew pew…
something…
anet knew it was going to be packed with high level toons.
make the elemental that spawns at various level depending on the average level and quantity of players nearby…
stuff like that…

Guitarzero.8316:

ya they should just give everyone laurels for logging in

its the same as doing the dailies…
no challenge whatsoever.
yeah, might as well give them on log in if you’re level 80.

i feel the game wants you, need you to start an Alt at some point…

Teso designers clearly stated that.
they want you to lvl an alt.
they are trying to do this by having the map divided in 3, for 3 factions of 3 races each, and you cant go into the other faction’s land. so people will do alts to play the 3 stories at least.
makes sense, lets see how it rolls out.

I understand the point of doing what you want to do but honestly dailies take at most 15 minutes to complete if you just focus on them. Even if you just do whatever you’re doing (exploring, WvW, dungeons/fractals) you’ll finish most if not all of it. Now with ascended gear in the laurel vendors they made it accessible to anyone who plays the game for 15 minutes a day so that complaint is solved.

I really don’t know what to say. Is dodging/reviving (yes npcs count)/killing a variety of creatures actually so different from whatever it was you were doing that it deserves a complaint?

theres no events in dungeon and no gathering.

so i have to go somewhere, facerolling content to make it happen.
it bores me, i want the high adrenaline dungeon content!

not zergfest and spanking low level mobs.

The main reason events are in the daily is so people actually go out and fill the world, gw2 isn’t supposed to be a lobby game.

no fun in filling low level zones just for the sake of it with your level 80 character….
thats the issue.

im not even sure low level character want to see high level characters there, demolish all events there and ruining their fun.

Avatar.1923:

no fun in filling low level zones just for the sake of it with your level 80 character….
thats the issue.

im not even sure low level character want to see high level characters there, demolish all events there and ruining their fun.

I seem to recall Orr only being DE’s. No hearts. So there’s things your level 80 can do to get events. And I bet there are events in the 70 to 80 zones. Areas where your characters can get events without “demolishing” all the events there.

Dradiin.8935:

It is a choice to decide to do the dailies, no one is forcing you or anyone else to complete them.

Just like it is a choice to acquire Legendary weapon skins.

I do not feel forced into doing any of these things, if i want the reward for there completion then i will work on completing it.

this sort of response is puerile tbh. EVERYONE knows they can choose not to do any given part of the game. it doesnt need repeating and offers nothing to a discussion.
I can choose to not go to my work i can choose to not even play the game etc etc.

now do you think a succesful business model is based on the ethos that " ach if they dont like it they can go do something else" ?
Stuff is added to the game to be fun and DESIRABLE to take part in , and if for any reason people feel its UNDESIRABLE for them to take part then perhaps there,s a problem.
folk enjoy daily rewards they just arn’t so keen for time to be taken up by doing stuff they dont enjoy to get it.
after all if i do 40 events in a day then havent i earned my daily as much as the guy who slavishly runs all over the map doing what the boss man says ticking off random tasks to get his?

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Avatar.1923:

no fun in filling low level zones just for the sake of it with your level 80 character….
thats the issue.

im not even sure low level character want to see high level characters there, demolish all events there and ruining their fun.

I seem to recall Orr only being DE’s. No hearts. So there’s things your level 80 can do to get events. And I bet there are events in the 70 to 80 zones. Areas where your characters can get events without “demolishing” all the events there.

to be honest, i demolish Frostgorge.
maybe guard is OP.
im for one never understood the community asking for a nerf to orr.
i soloed it allright.

dunno, for whatever reason, repeating dungeons is far more interesting to me than repeating plinx.

ginzo.8792:

Dradiin.8935:

It is a choice to decide to do the dailies, no one is forcing you or anyone else to complete them.

Just like it is a choice to acquire Legendary weapon skins.

I do not feel forced into doing any of these things, if i want the reward for there completion then i will work on completing it.

this sort of response is puerile tbh. EVERYONE knows they can choose not to do any given part of the game. it doesnt need repeating and offers nothing to a discussion.
I can choose to not go to my work i can choose to not even play the game etc etc.

now do you think a succesful business model is based on the ethos that " ach if they dont like it they can go do something else" ?
Stuff is added to the game to be fun and DESIRABLE to take part in , and if for any reason people feel its UNDESIRABLE for them to take part then perhaps there,s a problem.
folk enjoy daily rewards they just arn’t so keen for time to be taken up by doing stuff they dont enjoy to get it.
after all if i do 40 events in a day then havent i earned my daily as much as the guy who slavishly runs all over the map doing what the boss man says ticking off random tasks to get his?

I don’t like pvp.

zomg this game haz problemz!

PS. I also don’t like pve. Looks like this game shouldn’t even be released.

ginzo.8792:

Dradiin.8935:

It is a choice to decide to do the dailies, no one is forcing you or anyone else to complete them.

Just like it is a choice to acquire Legendary weapon skins.

I do not feel forced into doing any of these things, if i want the reward for there completion then i will work on completing it.

this sort of response is puerile tbh. EVERYONE knows they can choose not to do any given part of the game. it doesnt need repeating and offers nothing to a discussion.
I can choose to not go to my work i can choose to not even play the game etc etc.

now do you think a succesful business model is based on the ethos that " ach if they dont like it they can go do something else" ?
Stuff is added to the game to be fun and DESIRABLE to take part in , and if for any reason people feel its UNDESIRABLE for them to take part then perhaps there,s a problem.
folk enjoy daily rewards they just arn’t so keen for time to be taken up by doing stuff they dont enjoy to get it.
after all if i do 40 events in a day then havent i earned my daily as much as the guy who slavishly runs all over the map doing what the boss man says ticking off random tasks to get his?

We’ll eventually get the ability to say I’ll do X of Y things where Y is a higher number than X. So those that don’t want to do dungeons or do WvW can still get the monthly.

Then it will become more like leveling up. Y things will gain you levels. You can choose to omit some, but if you omit too many, you won’t achieve what you want to achieve (be it the daily, monthly, or speed of leveling up).

But right now we have to suck it up and hope ANet releases that sooner rather than later.

MrKnieves.4162:

Sooooooooo, dailies are FORCING you to play in a certain way until you do them and otherwise you cannot play?

If it bothers you then ignore them, if you CHOOSE to do them, then stop complaining.

see once again its lucky you dont work for anet , cos with that attitude you would get fired pretty quick. You dont add stuff thats meant to be fun and find that lots of folk dont find it fun and go " meh they can always buy another game"

even most of the folk who chime up defending it arnt saying “its fun i enjoy them” they are saying " its easy so i deal with it" EASY but NOT FUN see the problem?
I’m not saying its hard i,m saying its a failure if folk dont find it fun .. period.

I think you are criticizing the concept, but ignoring the implementation. 95% of the tasks included in the daily are things you will complete naturally as part of any game day’s play – kill diversity (unless you grind the same DEs over and over), harvesting, completing dynamic events, rezzing allies (both players and NPCs), dodging, combo fields. These are all things that you will get by just playing the game. The two outliers would be crafting (which, with only 10 items required, literally takes less than 10 seconds) and underwater kills (which I kinda agree needs to be removed from rotation, but it doesn’t take long either, so its no big deal).

Its easy to look at the system from a macro perspective and say “They are telling us how to play,” but the reality is they are simply rewarding us for things we would be doing anyway – with some (VERY) minimal sidetracking (which is a good thing, because they can use it to encourage people to go to zones or do activities where they have planted unannounced game/story additions).

Outside of making it so trivial that it means absolutely nothing (get reward for simply logging in), the only alternative would be to remove the the daily reward system entirely. I dont think any of us want that.

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ginzo.8792:

Dradiin.8935:

It is a choice to decide to do the dailies, no one is forcing you or anyone else to complete them.

Just like it is a choice to acquire Legendary weapon skins.

I do not feel forced into doing any of these things, if i want the reward for there completion then i will work on completing it.

this sort of response is puerile tbh. EVERYONE knows they can choose not to do any given part of the game. it doesnt need repeating and offers nothing to a discussion.
I can choose to not go to my work i can choose to not even play the game etc etc.

now do you think a succesful business model is based on the ethos that " ach if they dont like it they can go do something else" ?
Stuff is added to the game to be fun and DESIRABLE to take part in , and if for any reason people feel its UNDESIRABLE for them to take part then perhaps there,s a problem.
folk enjoy daily rewards they just arn’t so keen for time to be taken up by doing stuff they dont enjoy to get it.
after all if i do 40 events in a day then havent i earned my daily as much as the guy who slavishly runs all over the map doing what the boss man says ticking off random tasks to get his?

We’ll eventually get the ability to say I’ll do X of Y things where Y is a higher number than X. So those that don’t want to do dungeons or do WvW can still get the monthly.

Then it will become more like leveling up. Y things will gain you levels. You can choose to omit some, but if you omit too many, you won’t achieve what you want to achieve (be it the daily, monthly, or speed of leveling up).

But right now we have to suck it up and hope ANet releases that sooner rather than later.

There’s this game called skyrim that everyone tells me it’s ‘sand-box’ and I can play it the way I want to play.

So I decided I want to kill everyone in game only to find out that I couldn’t because – you’re not gonna believe this – some npc are vital to some stupid quest I have zero care about.

Ok so killing everyone in game is out of the window. Boo.

I decided I’m gonna try to ally Alduin the big bad dragon and destroy the world but guess what? I can’t. Instead I have to travel to the top of this ridiculously tall mountains, listen to all these poor old people preach about the way of some voice, Get this scroll from some place with names I can’t pronounce, learn some trick from some old fart in another century and travel to some norn mythical land – which is kinda strange because I’m a Khajit – and help some dead norn ghost to kill Alduin. Non negotiable.

Ok so I can’t do what I want. Maybe I’ll just do some dailies… oh wait there is none. MFFFFFFFFFFFFF

That’s when it hit me : Skyrim was pretty sad. It’s dictating me, telling me ‘oh no you can only play like this, you can’t help alduin, you can’t kill children and if you touch any of the chicken I will break you’, forcing me to play the way the devs intended me to play. which is wandering in a big block of ice helping a bunch of people whose name i forget as soon as I pass them by.

So I thought sod it I’m gonna go try minecraft.
But guess what? I now have to walk around in a giant field of nothing wasting an entire days so I can build a small shack with doors. Why can’t I just spawn a house, add some traps and wait for zombies to come?

The world sure is full of dictators.

PS. in case if you’re not getting the hint : Daily is not the play. Killing monsters, crafting stuff, pvping and dungeons IS the play. They just add daily so you feel better about doing them.

but why should they feel they need to encourage, coherce, force (call it what you will) any of us to do anything we dont do out of fun?

if i dont feel like i want to go to lowbie zones to rez folk or that, why should they feel they need to artificially make folk go there?
the dailies should be done by playing the game your way 100%
even if it takes longer than running round like a good little boy getting all their checklist done.

If i play wvwvw for 2 hours a night my daily should be done by the things ive done while there.
same goes for folk who run dungeons every day but not much else , that sort of time investment for them should be enough to earn a daily.
doing chores is doing chores , no matter how simple .

showatt.9413:

Seera.5916:

ginzo.8792:

Dradiin.8935:

It is a choice to decide to do the dailies, no one is forcing you or anyone else to complete them.

Just like it is a choice to acquire Legendary weapon skins.

I do not feel forced into doing any of these things, if i want the reward for there completion then i will work on completing it.

this sort of response is puerile tbh. EVERYONE knows they can choose not to do any given part of the game. it doesnt need repeating and offers nothing to a discussion.
I can choose to not go to my work i can choose to not even play the game etc etc.

now do you think a succesful business model is based on the ethos that " ach if they dont like it they can go do something else" ?
Stuff is added to the game to be fun and DESIRABLE to take part in , and if for any reason people feel its UNDESIRABLE for them to take part then perhaps there,s a problem.
folk enjoy daily rewards they just arn’t so keen for time to be taken up by doing stuff they dont enjoy to get it.
after all if i do 40 events in a day then havent i earned my daily as much as the guy who slavishly runs all over the map doing what the boss man says ticking off random tasks to get his?

We’ll eventually get the ability to say I’ll do X of Y things where Y is a higher number than X. So those that don’t want to do dungeons or do WvW can still get the monthly.

Then it will become more like leveling up. Y things will gain you levels. You can choose to omit some, but if you omit too many, you won’t achieve what you want to achieve (be it the daily, monthly, or speed of leveling up).

But right now we have to suck it up and hope ANet releases that sooner rather than later.

There’s this game called skyrim that everyone tells me it’s ‘sand-box’ and I can play it the way I want to play.

So I decided I want to kill everyone in game only to find out that I couldn’t because – you’re not gonna believe this – some npc are vital to some stupid quest I have zero care about.

Ok so killing everyone in game is out of the window. Boo.

I decided I’m gonna try to ally Alduin the big bad dragon and destroy the world but guess what? I can’t. Instead I have to travel to the top of this ridiculously tall mountains, listen to all these poor old people preach about the way of some voice, Get this scroll from some place with names I can’t pronounce, learn some trick from some old fart in another century and travel to some norn mythical land – which is kinda strange because I’m a Khajit – and help some dead norn ghost to kill Alduin. Non negotiable.

That’s when it hit me : Skyrim was pretty sad. It’s dictating me, telling me ‘oh no you can only play like this, you can’t help alduin, you can’t kill children and if you touch any of the chicken I will break you’, forcing me to play the way the devs intended me to play. which is wandering in a big block of ice helping a bunch of people whose name i forget as soon as I pass them by.

So I thought sod it I’m gonna go try minecraft.
But guess what? I now have to walk around in a giant field of nothing wasting an entire days so I can build a small shack with doors. Why can’t I just spawn a house, add some traps and wait for zombies to come?

The world sure is full of dictators.

Why did you quote me when I didn’t complain about being told what to do? All I said was that once the 4 of 6 thing goes active it will become more like leveling up. In that here are your options: choose from this. You’ll need to do a good chunk of them to meet your expectations/get achievement.

I never said I had a problem with the dailies and monthlies dictating how I play. I do not have a single problem with it at all.

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showatt.9413:

Seera.5916:

ginzo.8792:

Dradiin.8935:

It is a choice to decide to do the dailies, no one is forcing you or anyone else to complete them.

Just like it is a choice to acquire Legendary weapon skins.

I do not feel forced into doing any of these things, if i want the reward for there completion then i will work on completing it.

this sort of response is puerile tbh. EVERYONE knows they can choose not to do any given part of the game. it doesnt need repeating and offers nothing to a discussion.
I can choose to not go to my work i can choose to not even play the game etc etc.

now do you think a succesful business model is based on the ethos that " ach if they dont like it they can go do something else" ?
Stuff is added to the game to be fun and DESIRABLE to take part in , and if for any reason people feel its UNDESIRABLE for them to take part then perhaps there,s a problem.
folk enjoy daily rewards they just arn’t so keen for time to be taken up by doing stuff they dont enjoy to get it.
after all if i do 40 events in a day then havent i earned my daily as much as the guy who slavishly runs all over the map doing what the boss man says ticking off random tasks to get his?

We’ll eventually get the ability to say I’ll do X of Y things where Y is a higher number than X. So those that don’t want to do dungeons or do WvW can still get the monthly.

Then it will become more like leveling up. Y things will gain you levels. You can choose to omit some, but if you omit too many, you won’t achieve what you want to achieve (be it the daily, monthly, or speed of leveling up).

But right now we have to suck it up and hope ANet releases that sooner rather than later.

There’s this game called skyrim that everyone tells me it’s ‘sand-box’ and I can play it the way I want to play.

So I decided I want to kill everyone in game only to find out that I couldn’t because – you’re not gonna believe this – some npc are vital to some stupid quest I have zero care about.

Ok so killing everyone in game is out of the window. Boo.

I decided I’m gonna try to ally Alduin the big bad dragon and destroy the world but guess what? I can’t. Instead I have to travel to the top of this ridiculously tall mountains, listen to all these poor old people preach about the way of some voice, Get this scroll from some place with names I can’t pronounce, learn some trick from some old fart in another century and travel to some norn mythical land – which is kinda strange because I’m a Khajit – and help some dead norn ghost to kill Alduin. Non negotiable.

That’s when it hit me : Skyrim was pretty sad. It’s dictating me, telling me ‘oh no you can only play like this, you can’t help alduin, you can’t kill children and if you touch any of the chicken I will break you’, forcing me to play the way the devs intended me to play. which is wandering in a big block of ice helping a bunch of people whose name i forget as soon as I pass them by.

So I thought sod it I’m gonna go try minecraft.
But guess what? I now have to walk around in a giant field of nothing wasting an entire days so I can build a small shack with doors. Why can’t I just spawn a house, add some traps and wait for zombies to come?

The world sure is full of dictators.

Why did you quote me when I didn’t complain about being told what to do? All I said was that once the 4 of 6 thing goes active it will become more like leveling up. In that here are your options: choose from this. You’ll need to do a good chunk of them to meet your expectations/get achievement.

I never said I had a problem with the dailies and monthlies dictating how I play. I do not have a single problem with it at all.

Which is the entire point of my post – This is how games are.
All games are " here are you options: choose from this". Don’t mistaken my tone – I’m not saying you’re wrong or you should shut up – what I’m saying is;

You are right, but this is the way things are.
All games dictate you how to play….even the so called “ultimate Sandbox”

How few of us complete most if not all our dailies in world vs world or in dungeons? Only thing I have to go out of my way for is gathering and crafting but that really isn’t a huge deal to me. And yes there are events in dungeons, just people like to skip them as non essential bs added to make their dungeon run less fun and more rezzy.

showatt.9413:

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showatt.9413:

Seera.5916:

ginzo.8792:

Dradiin.8935:

It is a choice to decide to do the dailies, no one is forcing you or anyone else to complete them.

Just like it is a choice to acquire Legendary weapon skins.

I do not feel forced into doing any of these things, if i want the reward for there completion then i will work on completing it.

this sort of response is puerile tbh. EVERYONE knows they can choose not to do any given part of the game. it doesnt need repeating and offers nothing to a discussion.
I can choose to not go to my work i can choose to not even play the game etc etc.

now do you think a succesful business model is based on the ethos that " ach if they dont like it they can go do something else" ?
Stuff is added to the game to be fun and DESIRABLE to take part in , and if for any reason people feel its UNDESIRABLE for them to take part then perhaps there,s a problem.
folk enjoy daily rewards they just arn’t so keen for time to be taken up by doing stuff they dont enjoy to get it.
after all if i do 40 events in a day then havent i earned my daily as much as the guy who slavishly runs all over the map doing what the boss man says ticking off random tasks to get his?

We’ll eventually get the ability to say I’ll do X of Y things where Y is a higher number than X. So those that don’t want to do dungeons or do WvW can still get the monthly.

Then it will become more like leveling up. Y things will gain you levels. You can choose to omit some, but if you omit too many, you won’t achieve what you want to achieve (be it the daily, monthly, or speed of leveling up).

But right now we have to suck it up and hope ANet releases that sooner rather than later.

There’s this game called skyrim that everyone tells me it’s ‘sand-box’ and I can play it the way I want to play.

So I decided I want to kill everyone in game only to find out that I couldn’t because – you’re not gonna believe this – some npc are vital to some stupid quest I have zero care about.

Ok so killing everyone in game is out of the window. Boo.

I decided I’m gonna try to ally Alduin the big bad dragon and destroy the world but guess what? I can’t. Instead I have to travel to the top of this ridiculously tall mountains, listen to all these poor old people preach about the way of some voice, Get this scroll from some place with names I can’t pronounce, learn some trick from some old fart in another century and travel to some norn mythical land – which is kinda strange because I’m a Khajit – and help some dead norn ghost to kill Alduin. Non negotiable.

That’s when it hit me : Skyrim was pretty sad. It’s dictating me, telling me ‘oh no you can only play like this, you can’t help alduin, you can’t kill children and if you touch any of the chicken I will break you’, forcing me to play the way the devs intended me to play. which is wandering in a big block of ice helping a bunch of people whose name i forget as soon as I pass them by.

So I thought sod it I’m gonna go try minecraft.
But guess what? I now have to walk around in a giant field of nothing wasting an entire days so I can build a small shack with doors. Why can’t I just spawn a house, add some traps and wait for zombies to come?

The world sure is full of dictators.

Why did you quote me when I didn’t complain about being told what to do? All I said was that once the 4 of 6 thing goes active it will become more like leveling up. In that here are your options: choose from this. You’ll need to do a good chunk of them to meet your expectations/get achievement.

I never said I had a problem with the dailies and monthlies dictating how I play. I do not have a single problem with it at all.

Which is the entire point of my post – This is how games are.
All games are " here are you options: choose from this". Don’t mistaken my tone – I’m not saying you’re wrong or you should shut up – what I’m saying is;

You are right, but this is the way things are.
All games dictate you how to play….even the so called “ultimate Sandbox”

Ah, ok..

As it is, I probably won’t get today’s daily because I won’t find enough events or enough NPC’s due to my limited time. There’s always tomorrow

ginzo.8792:

MrKnieves.4162:

Sooooooooo, dailies are FORCING you to play in a certain way until you do them and otherwise you cannot play?

If it bothers you then ignore them, if you CHOOSE to do them, then stop complaining.

see once again its lucky you dont work for anet , cos with that attitude you would get fired pretty quick. You dont add stuff thats meant to be fun and find that lots of folk dont find it fun and go " meh they can always buy another game"

even most of the folk who chime up defending it arnt saying “its fun i enjoy them” they are saying " its easy so i deal with it" EASY but NOT FUN see the problem?
I’m not saying its hard i,m saying its a failure if folk dont find it fun .. period.

Fun is a very subjective thing, what some people find fun, others might hate. If you hate something, then stop doing it, is not that hard. Anet keeps metrics of everything in the game so I’m sure that if enough people stop doing dailies they will modify them again.

And forums are not an accurate measurement of how a particular feature is working because usually only a vocal minority posts, the rest are most probably enjoying the game and not bothering with it.

Avatar.1923:

they could have at least put a level 80 beast coming out of the ground and going all pew pew…
something…
anet knew it was going to be packed with high level toons.
make the elemental that spawns at various level depending on the average level and quantity of players nearby…
stuff like that…

Because skipping chapters in a book is so much fun…

Thing is, this event is a build-up. Read any decent story and you’ll realise it isn’t pew-pew all of the time.

Avatar.1923:

theres no events in dungeon and no gathering.

so i have to go somewhere, facerolling content to make it happen.
it bores me, i want the high adrenaline dungeon content!

not zergfest and spanking low level mobs.

Really? I finished my Event daily in a dungeon…

well when the story is not pew pew, then there is actually a story.

i think i read like 5 lines of dialogues in the whole prelude.

Avatar.1923:

well when the story is not pew pew, then there is actually a story.

i think i read like 5 lines of dialogues in the whole prelude.

wtf you read? what’s wrong with you???

Avatar.1923:

well when the story is not pew pew, then there is actually a story.

i think i read like 5 lines of dialogues in the whole prelude.

The story is still playing out. It’s 5 lines at the moment. When the next thing happens, it’ll add more lines to the story. And when the next comes out, they’ll be more again.

And I’m not talking about just NPC dialogue. Our experiences as players also make the story, both the generic and individual experiences.

Kind of like how in WvW, it doesn’t have a story, but you tell of this one time where you had a struggle to hold people off in an epic battle.

yeah its true.
i was waiting for those earth elementals to spawn so i could kill them in 2-3 swings of GS.

i was letting the refugees get hurt so i could heal them because if i defend them they will succeed everytime.

i was repairing post signs, but then realize they suddenly stop, so i didnt get to see where the refugees come from (but thats probably later in the story).

all in all, i didnt feel heroic.
my head couldnt create a cool story with that.
there was also a flame legion camp near the road.
i stormed it. stayed in the center, pulled everybody and spin to win.
spit on the corpses, took a few trinkets, copper pieces, and went back to check if the elementals had spawn back.

im all for the open world stuff, but unfortunately it doesnt cut it as endgame.
instead the prelude could have been an instanced mini area/dungeon in which everybody is pumped to 80 (a mini fractal).

and it would have been better imo.

Avatar.1923:

yeah its true.
i was waiting for those earth elementals to spawn so i could kill them in 2-3 swings of GS.

i was letting the refugees get hurt so i could heal them because if i defend them they will succeed everytime.

i was repairing post signs, but then realize they suddenly stop, so i didnt get to see where the refugees come from (but thats probably later in the story).

all in all, i didnt feel heroic.
my head couldnt create a cool story with that.
there was also a flame legion camp near the road.
i stormed it. stayed in the center, pulled everybody and spin to win.
spit on the corpses, took a few trinkets, copper pieces, and went back to check if the elementals had spawn back.

im all for the open world stuff, but unfortunately it doesnt cut it as endgame.
instead the prelude could have been an instanced mini area/dungeon in which everybody is pumped to 80 (a mini fractal).

and it would have been better imo.

true story.

how are you supposed to feel heroic when the event re trigger every 20 minute?

Peasant : Help ! There’s a giant attacking our town!

Hero : *kills the giant *

Peasant : oh thank you, kind sir ! you are a true hero!

Hero : no worries, mate. I’m just a good Samaritan passing by. So long!

(comes back 10 minute later and found the town in ruin.)

Hero : wtf didn’t i just kill the giant?

Peasant : It came back…

#(!#)&!#

Yeah erm… heroic!

I quit doing dailies and monthlies a very long time ago. But then again, I haven’t actually logged in to play the game in the last 2 months either.

and why?

1 reason.

Avatar.1923:

and why?

1 reason.

house got burnt down.

IMO dailies don’t really take that long to complete so if you want dem laurels just do it and move on to whatever else you want to do. Hit up any starter area for 15-20 minutes and you’re done. I recommend Caledon Forest.

Dradiin.8935:

It is a choice to decide to do the dailies, no one is forcing you or anyone else to complete them.

Just like it is a choice to acquire Legendary weapon skins.

I do not feel forced into doing any of these things, if i want the reward for there completion then i will work on completing it.

Oh stop it around with ‘its a choice’ arguments. They are old and overused and a logical fallacy since a game should not be considered a chore now should it?. This game should be fun not a chore, don’t forget the OP main point.

@revolution
whats your idea of fun?

mine is challenging pve content.
the dailies arent that to me, so i critic.

now your turn:

Revolution.6301:

Dradiin.8935:

It is a choice to decide to do the dailies, no one is forcing you or anyone else to complete them.

Just like it is a choice to acquire Legendary weapon skins.

I do not feel forced into doing any of these things, if i want the reward for there completion then i will work on completing it.

Oh stop it around with ‘its a choice’ arguments. They are old and overused and a logical fallacy since a game should not be considered a chore now should it?. This game should be fun not a chore, don’t forget the OP main point.

Man once said: “If you can eat all the biscuits, where’s the fun in biscuits?” That man was an idiot. But he was right. Perhaps their parrents are letting them play too much.

the arguement i keep hearing is “its easy , i just do it then get on with what i want to be doing”
but this kinda validates my point. gaming shouldnt be about doing your chores before being able to have fun. maybe this is coming from folk who are under the control of parents etc that make them do some chores before being allowed to game. So they accept it.
I mean i have to go to work , pick my son up from school , get him to bed etc . before i have time to game. So i dislike then having the game make me do chores to tick off the daily before i can just get on with how i like to play.

nothing in game should feel like a chore , everything should be fun , and while i accept fun is subjective. I’m not hearing much " i find the dailys fun" feedback.
if you find doig the daily fun then thats cool. none of this debate applys to you.

my point is that the daily should be 100% organic a by product of having fun the way you like to play. Not a chore that makes you stop what you like to do cos you want to complete random chores in a set time.

The problem with Avatar.1923 is that guard and warr are OP for most open world pve. Avatar, i would like to see you try that same stunt with a mesmer, ele or necro (not full exo yet) and tell me how well u got on. Just because your class tanks and spanks doesn’t mean everyone else does.

It used to take me up to 30 mins to do a daily on any non-Orr map (kill variety and nodes making me wander) but it’s a bit longer now they have changed things up. I have 2 characters logged at dragons and a roamer, so it’s awkward to do the crafting one but i’m still levelling chef and armoursmith so it’s relevant to that character.

ginzo.8792:

the arguement i keep hearing is “its easy , i just do it then get on with what i want to be doing”
but this kinda validates my point. gaming shouldnt be about doing your chores before being able to have fun. maybe this is coming from folk who are under the control of parents etc that make them do some chores before being allowed to game. So they accept it.
I mean i have to go to work , pick my son up from school , get him to bed etc . before i have time to game. So i dislike then having the game make me do chores to tick off the daily before i can just get on with how i like to play.

nothing in game should feel like a chore , everything should be fun , and while i accept fun is subjective. I’m not hearing much " i find the dailys fun" feedback.
if you find doig the daily fun then thats cool. none of this debate applys to you.

my point is that the daily should be 100% organic a by product of having fun the way you like to play. Not a chore that makes you stop what you like to do cos you want to complete random chores in a set time.

Fair enough. In your case it probably would be better to remove the daily entirely because you’re under the impression that Daily is the game – not the act of doing daily themselves.

Anet is trying to encourage different type of plays with their daily rotation. Pvpers who dislike anything pve will have incentive to go out and kill stuff ( then come on forum to complain about daily), just as pve player now has incentive to pvp.

Daily is not the game. To complete your daily is not the goal of your play – having fun is. If for any reason you feel like a certain daily ain’t worth your time you can and should just stop doing them. You are never obliged to finish dailies, nor do you need to as you can obtain max gear in this game quickly enough and every reward after you get exotic/ascended is pretty superficial imo. The dailys are only there so people will go out of their way to try different things.

Daily is not a chore and shouldn’t be. Daily is " hey you get this if you do this". You don’t get penalty for not doing them and they reset everyday. You can do the ones you like and leave the ones you hate. Dislike everything? don’t do em.

And since dailies apparently “forces” (massive quotation marks there) SOME people out of their preferred style of play, naturally people thought they’re boring.

Really, if today Anet make new dailies tailored to your needs, others will be crying about it just like you are because it’s “forcing” them to play according to your playstyle – so really no adjustment will ever please everyone.