Guild Wars 2

Hey
im abit confused if its my MF or if i just have very bad luck.
i recently did alot of farming in SW ( 500 embroided pouches). and i was abit confused to see that the only exos i got was 2 twisted in a jar which is very bad
so i dont really know if its my MF that effects it or just uncommon bad luck

MF does not affect the contents of bags, including champ bags. But the Twiser in a Jar only drops from the bandit chests and buried chests (in SW and Dry Top, respectively), not from your champ bags. MF from the Perseverance buff in SW DOES affect bandit chests.

okay thanks.
Then i must be really unlucky i guess xD

wiki says mf affects champ bags and chests from pvp reward track

Ragion.2831:

wiki says mf affects champ bags and chests from pvp reward track

Nope and Yep.

" Magic Find is both an account bonus and a character attribute that increases the chance to receive higher-quality loot from slain foes. With a couple exceptions, it does not affect containers (including champion loot bags), chests, or any other source of loot.^{1 2} The exceptions are: Containers received from structured PvP reward tracks; Bandit chests in The Silverwastes [citation needed]"

MF basically works the moment you pick something up.

Once its in your inventory it doesnt work outside of a few specific cases like the Event bags we have at the moment and the pvp reward stuff.

There is one other exception that the Wiki doesn’t note. The new loot bags that you obtain from Living Story Season 2 instances operate similarly to the Structured PvP loot bags, simulating a number of rolls on the loot tables of certain creature types. As such, Magic Find will affect those as well.

Basically, if you open a bag and get junk items like Sprockets or Globs of Gooey Goop, then that’s a bag that Magic Find effects.

Xiahou Mao.9701:

There is one other exception that the Wiki doesn’t note. The new loot bags that you obtain from Living Story Season 2 instances operate similarly to the Structured PvP loot bags, simulating a number of rolls on the loot tables of certain creature types. As such, Magic Find will affect those as well.

Basically, if you open a bag and get junk items like Sprockets or Globs of Gooey Goop, then that’s a bag that Magic Find effects.

Is there any dev statement or proof of this, or is it just speculation?

I guess a more pertinent question would be ‘why’ do you suppose it works that way? Why did they choose not to allow magic find to improve your chances at getting better loot from boxes you open?

I don’t know if it’s ever outright been stated by the devs, but it’s pretty obvious from looking at the contents of the loot bags that that’s what it is. They aren’t like champ bags where you get “1 green or better, crafting items, occasionally Unidentified Object/1 Scroll of Experience/1 Champ Bag Exotic”. The things you get out of them are purely random with just a few exceptions, such as the guaranteed Ecto per bag from the instance where Marjory gets her greatsword, and the guaranteed rare from the episode-ending achievement bags.

Like, whenever you get the Mordrem bags, you usually get a few Potent Venom Sacs in them, but sometimes you’d get a Powerful Venom Sac. That’s the same as getting a Veteran Snow Troll container from Shiverpeaks track PvP, and usually getting Potent Blood but sometimes getting Powerful Blood in it.

Xiahou Mao.9701:

There is one other exception that the Wiki doesn’t note. The new loot bags that you obtain from Living Story Season 2 instances operate similarly to the Structured PvP loot bags, simulating a number of rolls on the loot tables of certain creature types. As such, Magic Find will affect those as well.

Basically, if you open a bag and get junk items like Sprockets or Globs of Gooey Goop, then that’s a bag that Magic Find effects.

This is not true.

There’s bags not affected by MF that will drop junk. Including champion bags.

In short, what’s affected by MF is defeated enemy bodies, things replacing defeated enemy bodies and things specifically indicated to be affected by MF.

That includes, for example:

• Anything that can be looted with the AoE autoloot, like corpses, Bags of Loot in WvW, Wooden Chests and Steel Chests.
• Bags of Loot from story, but none of the other bags, regardless of name or rarity.
• Reward packages from PvP tracks, but not the bags inside those packages.
• Lost chests in silverwastes.
• Red envelopes.

But it does not include, for example:

• Anything you have to move next to and use to activate or open like World boss and jumping puzzle chests.
• Champion reward bags from drops or story.
• Bonus chests appearing on screen.
• The Mystic Forge.

Xiahou Mao.9701:

I don’t know if it’s ever outright been stated by the devs, but it’s pretty obvious from looking at the contents of the loot bags that that’s what it is. They aren’t like champ bags where you get “1 green or better, crafting items, occasionally Unidentified Object/1 Scroll of Experience/1 Champ Bag Exotic”. The things you get out of them are purely random with just a few exceptions, such as the guaranteed Ecto per bag from the instance where Marjory gets her greatsword, and the guaranteed rare from the episode-ending achievement bags.

Like, whenever you get the Mordrem bags, you usually get a few Potent Venom Sacs in them, but sometimes you’d get a Powerful Venom Sac. That’s the same as getting a Veteran Snow Troll container from Shiverpeaks track PvP, and usually getting Potent Blood but sometimes getting Powerful Blood in it.

That’s not proof at all of MF affecting those bags. Containers have a set loot table of items that can drop. RNG determines what items you get of each “category” provided in the bag when you open it. With the exception of containers from PvP, MF doesn’t affect the contents you get.

RoseofGilead.8907:

With the exception of containers from PvP, MF doesn’t affect the contents you get.

And that’s the relevant part. “With the exception of containers from PvP”. When PvP Reward Tracks were introduced in April, we were told that the containers you earn from the would be affected by Magic Find, because the containers simulated drop rolls for X number of killed NPCs. So, say, a Veteran Inquest Golemancer Container would have the contents of 5 or 10 dead Inquest Golemancer enemies inside, giving you 3-9 items of varying quality, from junk trophies to Bags of Alchemical Materials to salvage items to blue and green equipment (or, if you’re lucky, better).

And that’s exactly what the Living Story instance rewards do too. Enemies in the Living Story instances don’t drop any loot, no matter how many of them you kill. Instead, when you finish an instance for the first time on a character, you get loot bags related to the NPCs that you fought in the instance. Ghost loot bags for when you help Rytlock fight Duke Barradin, Mordrem loot bags for most of the instances, Inquest loot bags for some of the early Dry Top instances, and so on. And those work just like the PvP containers. The Ghost loot bags contain Dust and ghost junk items and equipment, but never bags inside bags, because ghosts don’t drop bags. The Inquest ones, on the other hand, can drop the various crafting materials Inquest drop (Totems/etc.) but can also drop Bags of Alchemical Materials, just like an Inquest PvP container can drop. But you’ll never see a champion loot bag drop a Bag of Alchemical Materials.

You’ll need to trust me here. I’m not one of those loonies who says that Magic Find affects world boss chest loot or champion loot bags or jumping puzzle/dungeon chests. When they introduced Reward Tracks, they created a new type of loot that could be affected by Magic Find to fill a void in a part of the game where Magic Find didn’t currently affect anything. Going forward from there, when they brought in the new system for Living Story Season 2, when they made the choice to stop enemies in the instances from dropping loot, they took their new loot system from PvP and applied it there as well.

It’s pretty easy to test. Save up the containers from a few instances and bring them to the Silverwastes to open along with your PvP goodies. You’ll notice the difference.