Guild Wars 2

e-sports not going to happen for gw2???

LOL everytime I hear that word I laugh.
Sorry XD

It’ll happen when Anet makes observer mode and a paid tournament. Not until.

not in this game. sorry

casual-fests arent made for esports…

BadHabitZz.1856:

casual-fests arent made for esports…

sad but true.

MMO’s generally do not become e-sports. Guild Wars 2 will never be an exception.

As of now, we do not really know if sPvP is balanced as it has not been picked up competitively. There are no tournaments with monetary prizes and as such no one has gone “pro” in it. If it ever did, I guarantee some combination of classes/builds would be discovered and abused. Anet would have to keep up with patching sPvP and updating it with new content about every week to keep people hooked. sPvP will become vastly different than PvE, which is something Anet is against. This will never happen.

The other issue occurs in match length and actual interest by observers in the match. Playing sPvP is interesting, but watching it is a real snooze fest and does not generate much excitement. Do you see players with large viewer counts playing sPvP on twich? Nope, hardly anyone streams this game and nobody of interest does. There is absolutely no interest in watching other people play the game. That is a big problem if you want to make it an e-sport.

The last major issue is competition. Anet would have severe competition with other e-sport games and unless they spent a ton of money promoting the game as an e-sport, they will only just be pushed out by bigger e-sport games.

Moral: Leave e-sports to the arena games.

I can see the S.A.B. mechanics, if taken to SAB pvp, become an e-sport. After all, no balancing to do – everyone has the exact same skills!
Wouldn’t that be something?

Cross.1678:

e-sports not going to happen for gw2???

No. Not even close.

Diviner.7405:

MMO’s generally do not become e-sports. Guild Wars 2 will never be an exception.

As of now, we do not really know if sPvP is balanced as it has not been picked up competitively. There are no tournaments with monetary prizes and as such no one has gone “pro” in it. If it ever did, I guarantee some combination of classes/builds would be discovered and abused. Anet would have to keep up with patching sPvP and updating it with new content about every week to keep people hooked. sPvP will become vastly different than PvE, which is something Anet is against. This will never happen.

The other issue occurs in match length and actual interest by observers in the match. Playing sPvP is interesting, but watching it is a real snooze fest and does not generate much excitement. Do you see players with large viewer counts playing sPvP on twich? Nope, hardly anyone streams this game and nobody of interest does. There is absolutely no interest in watching other people play the game. That is a big problem if you want to make it an e-sport.

The last major issue is competition. Anet would have severe competition with other e-sport games and unless they spent a ton of money promoting the game as an e-sport, they will only just be pushed out by bigger e-sport games.

Moral: Leave e-sports to the arena games.

MMO’s generally do not become e-sports. Guild Wars 2 will never be an exception.

Looks at EVE Online.

lol without more variation is skill options I think not. For something to be an esport, the whole thing must revolve around pvp and making it competitive, but they care more about their bad storyline apparently. He has the ability to change possibly, but it’s so little. I’m guessing it was something they said to make the competitive audience interested, but have no follow through.

Rizzy.8293:

LOL everytime I hear that word I laugh.
Sorry XD

Made me laugh but I also find the name kinda inapproriate. How can you name sitting behind your computer playing a game a sport?

How many games truly qualify for the title of e-sport anyway?

all I can think of are Starcraft, LoL and a few fighting games.

Vayne.8563:

It’ll happen when Anet makes observer mode and a paid tournament. Not until.

Is there any game where people pay money to see them? Maybe if they introduce betting with gems but that is probably illigal in the states.

Vayne.8563:

It’ll happen when Anet makes observer mode and a paid tournament. Not until.

Ya observer mode is a major thing when it comes to these e-sports so there no way with out that.
In time Spvp will become bigger it just takes time.

Something a bit beyond this point has the gaming community gotten to the point where its better to play games that ppl like to watch vs playing games ppl like to play?

beren.6048:

Rizzy.8293:

LOL everytime I hear that word I laugh.
Sorry XD

Made me laugh but I also find the name kinda inapproriate. How can you name sitting behind your computer playing a game a sport?

Sports aren’t necessarily about physical activity. Sports, going back to the original Olympics are basically wargames.. Which culture / village has the best warriors. When we fought with sticks and stones, throwing things, running, and grappling were the epitome of a warrior and the basis for sports. As our warfare has evolved so too should our sports.

While no one is controlling a virtual norn on the field of battle today, group tactics, unit placement, and the hand eye coordination to virtually control a drone/combatant are becoming more and more important. I’d say e-sports are more valid sports than most physical sports these days.

Vayne.8563:

It’ll happen when Anet makes observer mode and a paid tournament. Not until.

Observer mode would be huge.

Some new objectives like king of the hill, team deathmatch and relic runs would be beneficial as well.

Also, it looks like they are working on separating skills for PvP and PvE more and more – so that would be good to have more balance for 5v5 than what we have now.

GrandmaFunk.3052:

How many games truly qualify for the title of e-sport anyway?

all I can think of are Starcraft, LoL and a few fighting games.

Dota 2, Counter Strike (trying), Tribes (trying), whichever CoD they’e playing now (also trying).

GrandmaFunk.3052:

How many games truly qualify for the title of e-sport anyway?

all I can think of are Starcraft, LoL and a few fighting games.

Someone says eSports, the first thing in my mind is Counter-Strike. Not that it’s designed for it, but it was the big thing for quite a while.

There is also competitive scene for some console fighting games like Tekken. Briefly checking the sites of Razer and SteelSeries tells me that they’re also sponsoring teams playing DOTA2, Fifa, WoW, Quake Live, Halo and Warcraft 3.

But honestly, I cannot say that I don’t see why companies would want a piece of that cake. With some luck, you get TV rights and massive press in gaming blogs, websites and magazines.

As for GW2, I think that for an MMORPG, they’re looking better than most MMORPGs for competitive play. The sPvP system with everyone having the same pool of gear and equal access to skills and traits kills off the biggest fall of PvP in MMORPGs: winning due to gear or level difference.

However, sPvP still lacks in terms of competitive modes. Heck, if they had deathmatches with player-set rules, e.g. first-to-5/10/inserthere kills, that would make it a lot more fitting.

For something to be an e-sport it needs to be simple enough in mechanics that someone watching who has NO idea about the game can follow the action. GW2 doesn’t have this. There is way too many buffs, debuffs, combos, etc flying around. The game is simply too actiony and chaotic.

Secondly, it needs to be easily viewable to follow the action. This would require some sort of spectator mode that also provides the ability to watch replays or call your attention to something significant happening. MOBAs work well with their top-down wide camera views and very significant events such as players dying(it actually means something in a MOBA and can make the difference in the outcome of the game), towers being taken down, jungle mobs being killed, etc.

There are other factors that come into play as well, but these two HAVE to exist. They currently do not in GW2, therefore no e-sport.

I don’t know if it’s just me, but watching LoL makes me want to tear my eyes out. It’s one of the reasons I haven’t bothered to download the game even though I know a ton of people from GW1 play it.

Anyone else feel this way?

Rhysati.4932:

For something to be an e-sport it needs to be simple enough in mechanics that someone watching who has NO idea about the game can follow the action. GW2 doesn’t have this. There is way too many buffs, debuffs, combos, etc flying around. The game is simply too actiony and chaotic.

Secondly, it needs to be easily viewable to follow the action. This would require some sort of spectator mode that also provides the ability to watch replays or call your attention to something significant happening. MOBAs work well with their top-down wide camera views and very significant events such as players dying(it actually means something in a MOBA and can make the difference in the outcome of the game), towers being taken down, jungle mobs being killed, etc.

There are other factors that come into play as well, but these two HAVE to exist. They currently do not in GW2, therefore no e-sport.

I don’t know, I think you should say “For something to be a commercially successful e-sport…” In that sense I think you’d be absolutely correct. Most mmo-style pvp, be it in guild wars or not consist of a bunch of characters jumping around with a lot of flashes. Doesn’t make for good television, there’s no plot, only climax.

However not being commercially successful, doesn’t make something not a sport. Take polo for instance, that never really caught on. Since only nobility could be knights, only nobility or those with enough money to act as nobility acts, ran around practicing the ability to cut someone’s head off from horseback. To an observer it’s just a bunch of giant horses running around with the occasional glimpse of the relatively microscopic speck which is the ball. No good T.V. there either. Unless of course you happen to play polo. It’s still considered a sport though, just not a popular one.

Rhysati.4932:

For something to be an e-sport it needs to be simple enough in mechanics that someone watching who has NO idea about the game can follow the action. GW2 doesn’t have this. There is way too many buffs, debuffs, combos, etc flying around. The game is simply too actiony and chaotic.

Not really true. As an example, you can perfectly well follow competitive play of Tekken without knowing about the details that go into the moves. Similarly, you wouldn’t necessarily need to know all the boons, conditions, combo fields and combo effects in GW2 to follow the play.

Secondly, it needs to be easily viewable to follow the action. This would require some sort of spectator mode that also provides the ability to watch replays or call your attention to something significant happening. MOBAs work well with their top-down wide camera views and very significant events such as players dying(it actually means something in a MOBA and can make the difference in the outcome of the game), towers being taken down, jungle mobs being killed, etc.

Competitive footage on FPS games tends to focus on either team for a specific duration of the match, often sticking with a specific member of the team from the start of the round until they die (or the round ends).

Adding in a spectator mode wouldn’t be too difficult.

I hope it does only if the SPvP can be balanced and if the gaming community as a whole can consider it as one.