Guild Wars 2

I just noticed that there is a “hole” lorewise into the timing of LA rebuild.

As far as we were told, we are “Frozen” in time from the end of Season 2 until the launch of the expansion, since the expansion is set right after the end of the last chapter of season 2 .

So, if we are Frozen in time, how does one city get completely rebuilt in beween those 2 points of the lore? (End of last chapter/Start up of expansion).

Well, I am not that sort of nerd into the universe of tyria, but still, i found quite interesting how this don’t make sense at all x)

EDIT: Anet, please get rid of all those cats. Since when “Hole” is a censured word? “Hole” =/= Kitten.

Because Chronomancers.

MauricioCezar.2673:

EDIT: Anet, please get rid of all those cats. Since when “Hole” is a censured word? “Hole” =/= Kitten.

It isn’t censoring “hole” it is censoring that word plus the letter ‘A’ that you have before it, which is short for a curse word.

Remove the ‘A’ by clicking “Edit Title” below the title of the thread and it won’t be censored any longer.

Regarding the subject of the thread, I do not understand it either. I stopped trying to make sense of pretty much everything they do any longer, sadly.

Thank You Stin, removed that pesky cat from the title

Only the story is in said ‘time freeze’ – the rest of Tyria is still living.

It’s a bit of a brain-teaser though I agree – as a Piken Square Roleplayer in my mind I consider that Living Story happened – but the news of the disaster of the Pact Invasion of Mordremoth hasn’t reached the rest of Tyria yet.

Others may disagree though as it is a very grey area

I think it’s one of those weird video game timing things. Nothing actually progresses in real time in most games, even ones with long-term progression like this, instead things kind of leap-frog.

So right now the Living Story is frozen in time at the end of Season 2, but the rebuilding of LA has been frozen in it’s early stages for about a year, since the Battle of LA ended.

If the game was able to run in real time the stage we’re at now would have happened weeks or months ago (and there would have been a gradual progression from the early stage to where we are now, to the final rebuilding) and it would just happen that the official end of the rebuilding would coincide with the Pact assault on Mordremoth.

I think of it as working like how I used to play The Sims before they added their awkward ‘real time’ thing in Sims 3. All my families were in the same town and I wanted them to progress together, but that wouldn’t actually happen. So I’d play one for a week of in-game time, then switch to another and catch them up, then switch to a 3rd, and so on. Some events would happen out of sync (two kids who are supposed to be born at the same time would actually be born a week apart for example), but I knew how the story actually ran in my head, and once I’d caught all the families up it all matched up properly.

So at the moment the Living Story has been running for a few months and is ahead, but now it’s frozen and LA is playing catch-up. Then LA will be frozen again and maybe the story will progress or maybe other areas will catch up (it’d be nice to see the clean-up in Kessex Hills getting somewhere for example). Then one will push ahead, and so on.

It gets even more complicated then this.

All maps are in a certain timeframe. Queensdale is frozen in time right after the hero of shaemoor stopped the Champion Modniir High Sage and saved the town.

Cursed shore is frozen in time just when we start to attack the gates of Arah.

The Silverwastes is frozen in time just before the pact fleet sets off to the heart of the jungle.

As for LA. Technically it is frozen in time just bout the time where the pact was formed

You might wonder now how come the town is destroyed (or why mordremoth is attacking in the iron marches). The point is that there are two timelines needed.

1: the official timeline. These are the events as they are happening.
2: the personal timeline. (as the PC is experiencing it).

For example. My guardian has been here from day one and killed Zhaithan, then participated in all the living stories. She more or less followed the official timeline.

My ranger started just recently. He woke up when LA was allready destroyed. He forgedt the pact in a destroyed LA and though Zhaithan while mordremoth was allready awake. Now he has turned his attention to mordremoth and is experiencing the issue that waypoints are being affected by moremoths vines.

It is a consequence of a non-linear MMORPG. To facilitate the fact that not all players are playing content at the same time, and cause development cost time, you need to accept certain things and ignore them. That is also part of role playing.

We are not frozen in time.

It’s more like Tyria is a jumble of fractals.

Some parts of a map are stuck at one point in time, others are looping in time, some parts advance in time while the rest stays in the past, some are fractured and different for each character.

So there’s no hole.

LA is simply advancing at its own pace.

MauricioCezar.2673:

I just noticed that there is a “hole” lorewise into the timing of LA rebuild.

As far as we were told, we are “Frozen” in time from the end of Season 2 until the launch of the expansion, since the expansion is set right after the end of the last chapter of season 2 .

So, if we are Frozen in time, how does one city get completely rebuilt in beween those 2 points of the lore? (End of last chapter/Start up of expansion).

Well, I am not that sort of nerd into the universe of tyria, but still, i found quite interesting how this don’t make sense at all x)

EDIT: Anet, please get rid of all those cats. Since when “Hole” is a censured word? “Hole” =/= Kitten.

A wizard did it.

@Danikat : I assumed that too =P, likely as if we are “Getting back on time” to live what happened on Lion’s arch while the pact was fighting mordremoth. But then, happened to me to notice that Lions arch was also affected by mordremoth (Aka destroying his mains Waypoint), so it still break lore timeline.

@mercury : You are assuming I am talking about every plotlines in game, but no. I am talking only on the main storyline focused on the “Living story”. Lions arch destruction and rebuilding is very tied with living story over all =P

The real plothole is that Hero-Tron is trying to hide that he used to be Job-O-Tron of the Consortium. So, what does he do? Call in a bunch of Consortium workers to guide the reconstruction. There’s no way that NONE of them will recognize him, back to doing his old job.

What was shown in the video at the end of season 2 hasn’t happened yet. HoT will begin with the Pact assault failing.

What is frozen in time is just that. The Pact is readying their assault.

I think technically we don’t know the fate of the pact assault yet. Maybe it is a multi month journey into the jungle, and the rebuilding of LA is continuing on schedule while we wait for news of the assault. LA will finish rebuilding, and we will wonder why there has been no news from the assault. We will send a small team in (us) to kitten the progress and find it in ruins, thus beginning the expansion.

@Healix / Zudet : I think you guys didn’t followed close the interviews / presentations for anet. They’ve stated multiple times that hot is set right after the end of the last chapter of season 2. And that is why when we enter on jungle, we can see the pact airships very recently broken with even smoke and flames around.

^^

Its the Constortium that’s rebuilding Lion’s Arch. They explained that it took awhile for them to finalize on an actual design plans. But the Constortium are not just constructing in LA, they are building off-site and dropping in buildings into LA from the sky via airships (look up in LA and gander at the spectacle). It’s safe to assume they have been building offsite all this time.

And also, MAGIC.

It’s magic. It’s a magic game where magic happens and where asura do science with magic. MAGIC. Sorted

A wizard did it.

People assume that time is a strict progression from cause to effect, but …

Was it ever stated that the rebuilding of LA occurred right after the destruction of the pact fleet? There’s no reason that this couldn’t have happened during the timeline that Season 2 took place.

it’s magic……………..

@ChochoBo : After the cronomancer awnser, I think yours is the most close to be true :’).

@Ayrilana : what you are proposing, is the same explication that Danikat made a couple posts above, but as I’ve awnsered, there is also a problem with this theory : Lions arch was also “Attacked” on the course of s2 (Aka waypoint destructed), so this thoery also have kitten on it .

I think that there’s sadly no aceptable theory at all, but I am still loving to see all the possible situations until I get someone to convince me it was not pure trough “Magic”.

MauricioCezar.2673:

@ChochoBo : After the cronomancer awnser, I think yours is the most close to be true :’).

@Ayrilana : what you are proposing, is the same explication that Danikat made a couple posts above, but as I’ve awnsered, there is also a problem with this theory : Lions arch was also “Attacked” on the course of s2 (Aka waypoint destructed), so this thoery also have kitten on it .

I think that there’s sadly no aceptable theory at all, but I am still loving to see all the possible situations until I get someone to convince me it was not pure trough “Magic”.

So the WP was destroyed right when the pact fleet got destroyed?

No Ayrilana…

It happened parallel to the ls s2 history. parallel, so when pact got destoyed, was a few days after the past chapters where the vines attacked.

Still, its not like it is impossible that we are back tracking on history to see Lions arch rebuilding, but it breaks the narrative structure anet is trying on gw2 ^^

MauricioCezar.2673:

@mercury : You are assuming I am talking about every plotlines in game, but no. I am talking only on the main storyline focused on the “Living story”. Lions arch destruction and rebuilding is very tied with living story over all =P

Then you missed my point, that there isn’t a physical place in the game currently “frozen” between lS S2 and HoT. All maps are in different points in time. So is Lion’s Arch. the main point I’m making is that the destruction of Lion’s Arch itself is actually set in a solid timeframe, while the rest of the world is not. The reason is that the destruction is not repeatable. So it is actually the only thing that is always in the past (atleast untill they release season one as repeatable content, as they once said they would do).

So while the destruction is firmly in the past, LA itself is not set in a firm timeframe and the city itself exist in different moments in time at the same time.

MauricioCezar.2673:

No Ayrilana…

It happened parallel to the ls s2 history. parallel, so when pact got destoyed, was a few days after the past chapters where the vines attacked.

Still, its not like it is impossible that we are back tracking on history to see Lions arch rebuilding, but it breaks the narrative structure anet is trying on gw2 ^^

So now you’re accepting of it occurring parallel when you were not before? Which is it? You disputed the possibility of the rebuilding of LA occurring due to the WP getting destroyed at some point during Season 2. It was at the end of last July by the way so perhaps after episode 2.

A lot has happened since then and I don’t believe it was stated how much in game time has elapsed since then. The reconstruction also could have behind the scenes as they’ve (the slacker NPC’s) have been working on it since early last year. It was just never updated for us to see the results.

I did understood your point, I think you didn’t understood mine =P .

Its okay that each piece of tyria have its own point on time, BUT, lions arch destruction/rebuild is tied on living story very tight. so, it should have the same timeline as the living story at all. =)

EDIT: @ Ayrilana : wut? I think you didn’t made sense on this post, or maybe I just didn’t understood yu right. parallel == at same time, side by side. At least, thats what I meant ;\