Guild Wars 2

no subscription fee or so called F2P, tried many of them ( not naming so wont give handle to anet to delete the post) none were actually free and when you want to play them seriously then you realize there are number of limitation and you might end up paying even more than sub fee.
that being said. if it takes subscription fee to have quality content and support and also expansion every 2 years at least like some tradition mmos then by all means ANET please do it. i would gladly pay 15 euro a month to get bug fixes update asap (world boss mess for example) to get better living story content with more permanent effect and on top of all expansion.
i think it is fair for both players and devs because devs get stable income and we get better polish game and more and better content.
if so called B2P means silence on state of the game after 20 moths.
if so called B2P means addressing bugs days or even weeks after rather than asap fix.
if so called B2P means no expansion in 2014
if so called B2P means i have no right to ask for those thing and if i do it is whining.
then by all means go P2P anet BUT make gw2 one of the best games out there.

How many p2p games were succesfull ? And dont name that “One”…All other p2p’s have failed miserably and will continue to do so.

If you feel that way, I suggest each month you purchase gems. I have a family and responsibilities in real life. I will not be leached monetarily in real life for entertainment. Now, that being said, I have on occasion purchased gem cards(because I like and want to support GW2). So, if you feel that you should spend a monthly fee, then please purchase Gems. If Anet feels that they are not making a enough money to support the game, then the game will die. So far I have been playing since Beta, and Anet has made many changes since that time. So no complaints here about content updates.

This is not an attack on the OP, but rather a difference in view.

If Im gonna play a new game after Gw2, I will start lookin for subbing games. Im not sure I would sub gw2 if the choice comes up in the future, as Im not a big fan of some of the changes that has been done lately. But who knows.
I didnt buy gw2 because it was a “free” game, I bought it because I found it interesting and I wanted to try it. A sub back then wouldnt made any difference.

Totally agree. If there is one thing that GW2 has taught me it is that you need a sub to have a decent game experience.

I will never play a game without a sub again after this one. It had such potential but was ruined by the gem store.

JoeytheHutt.1742:

If Im gonna play a new game after Gw2, I will start lookin for subbing games. Im not sure I would sub gw2 if the choice comes up in the future, as Im not a big fan of some of the changes that has been done lately. But who knows.
I didnt buy gw2 because it was a “free” game, I bought it because I found it interesting and I wanted to try it. A sub back then wouldnt made any difference.

Trust me the sub games aren’t as developed or as good as GW2 cough ESO cough. If one game developer that uses the sub business model, they need to put out as much content and patches as A.Net does for a B2P game. Many sub games have gone F2P with CS or Freemium – SWTOR, TERA, RIFT, TSW, etc.

GW2 won’t have enough players willing to pay to play. The reason so many of us still play is because it’s free, so we can do things at our own pace and ArenaNet can be irregular with content updates.

If players had to pay to play, most would either migrate to other P2P games which are better, or find other free options.

People seems to assume that subs automatically makes a game awesome.
Actual fact on the other hand would suggest otherwise.

There are very few sub-based games that are successful.

If subs automatically make a game awesome….

…what the heck happened to ESO? Cause ‘awesome’ has not been a word I’ve heard used to describe it…

JoeytheHutt.1742:

If Im gonna play a new game after Gw2, I will start lookin for subbing games. Im not sure I would sub gw2 if the choice comes up in the future, as Im not a big fan of some of the changes that has been done lately. But who knows.
I didnt buy gw2 because it was a “free” game, I bought it because I found it interesting and I wanted to try it. A sub back then wouldnt made any difference.

i really like gw2 but i think i am going for sub based games with quality content and support not sub based games which are sucking money out of players as much as they can and then they will go F2P like the latest addition to mmo world you can guess which game.
i am playing games to be entertained rather than wasting time and mess around in games and say it is free at least. for people who are actually from NA/EU they know 15 euro/dollar a month is nothing and ppl pay way more than that for things they like.
but unfortunately the lie of F2P goes well with lot of poor gamers. and well i think they are in majority hence you get low quality content and support instead free to play.

All that (most) sub games do is gating content since they want you to sub as looooong as possible.

Oh .. want into that Dungeon ? Not before you have been into those other 5 dungeons 100 of times to gear up.

Want to buy this ? Not until you have grinded at least 1 million faction for random faction x …

Lol sub… thankfully gw1 still running. still dont have enough obby’s

tldr

No.

The problems that this game are facing are NOT a lack of funding or cash. When will people learn that throwing money at things does not always fix them? If you ask me I think that Anet enjoys the model of this game simply for the fact that it does NOT create an urgency or demand on them from the players to do this, do that NOW because we are paying them cash. I think they ENJOY the semi freedom that they do have. I seriously doubt this will ever change.

I won’t play another sub game again. It doesn’t matter though because they would never do that, suddenly ask for sub fees after like 2 years without.

to all guys saying P2P suck. first all those games like rift, swtor. eso… it is not the sub fee which brought them down, it was low quality of content and support that made people to say the game does not worth a sub. AND none of them is actually free i played them all.
there are successful sub based games like FINAL FANTASY XIV with over 2 million subscribers, why i am not there because i do not like the graphics and on top of all unholy trinity. but the game is pretty good over all for many people.
IT IS ALL ABOUT YOU. ask for better game and have will to pay for good game.

saye.9304:

JoeytheHutt.1742:

If Im gonna play a new game after Gw2, I will start lookin for subbing games. Im not sure I would sub gw2 if the choice comes up in the future, as Im not a big fan of some of the changes that has been done lately. But who knows.
I didnt buy gw2 because it was a “free” game, I bought it because I found it interesting and I wanted to try it. A sub back then wouldnt made any difference.

i really like gw2 but i think i am going for sub based games with quality content and support not sub based games which are sucking money out of players as much as they can and then they will go F2P like the latest addition to mmo world you can guess which game.
i am playing games to be entertained rather than wasting time and mess around in games and say it is free at least. for people who are actually from NA/EU they know 15 euro/dollar a month is nothing and ppl pay way more than that for things they like.
but unfortunately the lie of F2P goes well with lot of poor gamers. and well i think they are in majority hence you get low quality content and support instead free to play.

The thing is ‘A fool and his money are often parted’. You don’t have to buy anything from the CS to play – PERIOD. It is all ‘luxury’ items and none are really needed to play the game. You can play this game without anything from the CS and do just as well or even better than people who buy stuff in the CS.

Understand it – they are ‘frivolous items’ not really needed to play.

ESO is a classic examples of a sub game. They have gated so much of the content – One race you pay extra for. Want the fastest mount in game, it will cost you, etc. That is more of a cash grab than GW2 ever will be. The same can be said for the other sub games that went F2P recently.

saye.9304:

to all guys saying P2P suck. first all those games like rift, swtor. eso… it is not the sub fee which brought them down, it was low quality of content and support that made people to say the game does not worth a sub. AND none of them is actually free i played them all.
there are successful sub based games like FINAL FANTASY XIV with over 2 million subscribers, why i am not there because i do not like the graphics and on top of all unholy trinity. but the game is pretty good over all for many people.
IT IS ALL ABOUT YOU. ask for better game and have will to pay for good game.

Well,then how did a p2p model change anything from Rift or swotr not being polished ? You just basically claimed yourself,that it doesnt matter if a game is p2p or b2p,its up to the devs to polish a game…..And being p2p doesnt change squat about that.

saye.9304:

to all guys saying P2P suck. first all those games like rift, swtor. eso… it is not the sub fee which brought them down, it was low quality of content and support that made people to say the game does not worth a sub. AND none of them is actually free i played them all.
there are successful sub based games like FINAL FANTASY XIV with over 2 million subscribers, why i am not there because i do not like the graphics and on top of all unholy trinity. but the game is pretty good over all for many people.
IT IS ALL ABOUT YOU. ask for better game and have will to pay for good game.

But isn’t the argument for P2P games here always that they have sooo much better content and better support ?

And FF XIV ? I doubt it has 2 millions in the west .. i’m not even shure if i can play it her .. lol
And asian market is a whole other beast, since else we must call game like Lineage I and II as some of the most successfull MMOs ever. And AION also is still very strong there.

saye.9304:

to all guys saying P2P suck. first all those games like rift, swtor. eso… it is not the sub fee which brought them down, it was low quality of content and support that made people to say the game does not worth a sub. AND none of them is actually free i played them all.
there are successful sub based games like FINAL FANTASY XIV with over 2 million subscribers, why i am not there because i do not like the graphics and on top of all unholy trinity. but the game is pretty good over all for many people.
IT IS ALL ABOUT YOU. ask for better game and have will to pay for good game.

FF in my opinion, is not worth the sub either. There is not enough content to really make the game worth subbing for. But people like the FF games, I myself despise them. Also, the number of subscribers listed is world wide, including China and Korea – that is not so many. GW2 is just being released in China and sold about as many games as FF14 did (based on numbers from NCSoft). Also, Lineage 2 has that many subscribers in Asia alone – so don’t be impressed with that number.

People want the games that these developers are putting out. If they didn’t, they developers would not be in business any more.

saye.9304:

The thing is ‘A fool and his money are often parted’. You don’t have to buy anything from the CS to play – PERIOD. It is all ‘luxury’ items and none are really needed to play the game. You can play this game without anything from the CS and do just as well or even better than people who buy stuff in the CS.

Understand it – they are ‘frivolous items’ not really needed to play.

ESO is a classic examples of a sub game. They have gated so much of the content – One race you pay extra for. Want the fastest mount in game, it will cost you, etc. That is more of a cash grab than GW2 ever will be. The same can be said for the other sub games that went F2P recently.

a lifeless fool with all the time he has, just like you but you better know this fool, without fool like me and my money who buys stuff from gem store there wont be game for lifeless fool to play so you should thank me that i am exist or like i said no game for lifeless leechers like you, you are problem of gaming world go find job or something so you can afford 15 a month, cheep fool.[/quote]

I paid for the game upfront – period. Yes I am cheap because I can get cable TV for 4 sub games which has way more content, see the problem with your argument? There is not enough content in these games to make a sub viable any more.

Thanks for the abuse – it was ignored.

saye.9304:

The thing is ‘A fool and his money are often parted’. You don’t have to buy anything from the CS to play – PERIOD. It is all ‘luxury’ items and none are really needed to play the game. You can play this game without anything from the CS and do just as well or even better than people who buy stuff in the CS.

Understand it – they are ‘frivolous items’ not really needed to play.

ESO is a classic examples of a sub game. They have gated so much of the content – One race you pay extra for. Want the fastest mount in game, it will cost you, etc. That is more of a cash grab than GW2 ever will be. The same can be said for the other sub games that went F2P recently.

a lifeless fool with all the time he has, just like you but you better know this fool, without fool like me and my money who buys stuff from gem store there wont be game for lifeless fool to play so you should thank me that i am exist or like i said no game for lifeless leechers like you, you are problem of gaming world go find job or something so you can afford 15 a month, cheep fool.

And there it is, the “I pay money to play a game thus I am better than those who don’t” attitude. I guess next you will want higher stat armour in game that can give you advantages over other players?

Face the fact that this game was brought out and hoped to change the mmo meta and how their models work. Face it, this is a different game than those others, if you want those games, go play them. For the record I am not against pay to play games 100% myself either, in fact I am playing one right now alongside this game. I just don’t think that this game needs it and you know what? That is also what anet thinks as well.

Yesterday i also saw somewhere here a page linked, that showed the cash-shop revenue of F2P games. Funny thing was that WoW !! was on place 7 there, and i think it was the only MMO in that list.

Dusty Moon.4382:

JoeytheHutt.1742:

If Im gonna play a new game after Gw2, I will start lookin for subbing games. Im not sure I would sub gw2 if the choice comes up in the future, as Im not a big fan of some of the changes that has been done lately. But who knows.
I didnt buy gw2 because it was a “free” game, I bought it because I found it interesting and I wanted to try it. A sub back then wouldnt made any difference.

Trust me the sub games aren’t as developed or as good as GW2 cough ESO cough. If one game developer that uses the sub business model, they need to put out as much content and patches as A.Net does for a B2P game. Many sub games have gone F2P with CS or Freemium – SWTOR, TERA, RIFT, TSW, etc.

Many have said there will not be any really good games anymore, because the money isnt there any longer. Too many half-decent games spreads the playerbase, and companies like to start earning money at once rather than investing another year in development.
I guess we just have to wait and see.
Subbing to get rid of the impact a gemsshop has is a major point for me. Sometimes gw2 makes me think of a beautiful old city, with interesting history, stunning views and generally a place I want to spend time in, learning and experiencing, get to know.
But instead of paying for the trip and a place to stay while Im there, there is this guy following 5 mtrs behind me, everywhere with offers, special deals and “you DID bring your credit card, right?”

Dusty Moon.4382:

saye.9304:

The thing is ‘A fool and his money are often parted’. You don’t have to buy anything from the CS to play – PERIOD. It is all ‘luxury’ items and none are really needed to play the game. You can play this game without anything from the CS and do just as well or even better than people who buy stuff in the CS.

Understand it – they are ‘frivolous items’ not really needed to play.

ESO is a classic examples of a sub game. They have gated so much of the content – One race you pay extra for. Want the fastest mount in game, it will cost you, etc. That is more of a cash grab than GW2 ever will be. The same can be said for the other sub games that went F2P recently.

a lifeless fool with all the time he has, just like you but you better know this fool, without fool like me and my money who buys stuff from gem store there wont be game for lifeless fool to play so you should thank me that i am exist or like i said no game for lifeless leechers like you, you are problem of gaming world go find job or something so you can afford 15 a month, cheep fool.

I paid for the game upfront – period. Yes I am cheap because I can get cable TV for 4 sub games which has way more content, see the problem with your argument? There is not enough content in these games to make a sub viable any more.

Thanks for the abuse – it was ignored.[/quote]

i posted that answer twice for you to read it twice. wait didnt you just say sub based games are not better but you have 4 sub based games already , whats going on with you ? do you even understand what you are saying yourself. you are against sub but you got 4 of them.
I SAID: it is up to us to ask anet for quality content and support even if it takes subscription,
WTH are u talking about?

saye.9304:

Dusty Moon.4382:

saye.9304:

The thing is ‘A fool and his money are often parted’. You don’t have to buy anything from the CS to play – PERIOD. It is all ‘luxury’ items and none are really needed to play the game. You can play this game without anything from the CS and do just as well or even better than people who buy stuff in the CS.

Understand it – they are ‘frivolous items’ not really needed to play.

ESO is a classic examples of a sub game. They have gated so much of the content – One race you pay extra for. Want the fastest mount in game, it will cost you, etc. That is more of a cash grab than GW2 ever will be. The same can be said for the other sub games that went F2P recently.

a lifeless fool with all the time he has, just like you but you better know this fool, without fool like me and my money who buys stuff from gem store there wont be game for lifeless fool to play so you should thank me that i am exist or like i said no game for lifeless leechers like you, you are problem of gaming world go find job or something so you can afford 15 a month, cheep fool.

I paid for the game upfront – period. Yes I am cheap because I can get cable TV for 4 sub games which has way more content, see the problem with your argument? There is not enough content in these games to make a sub viable any more.

Thanks for the abuse – it was ignored.

i posted that answer twice for you to read it twice. wait didnt you just say sub based games are not better but you have 4 sub based games already , what going on with you ? do you even understand what you are saying yourself. you are against sub but you got 4 of them.
I SAID: it is up to us to ask anet for quality content and support even if it takes subscription,
WTH are talking about?
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For not 4 – please read it right – hit the wrong key. No need to fly off the handle.

WSJ makes a decent argument against games going p2p
http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/SB10001424052702304788404579521891600063538

Caedmon.6798:

How many p2p games were succesfull ? And dont name that “One”…All other p2p’s have failed miserably and will continue to do so.

How are you measuring success and failure.. some of the better P2P MMO’s that have been around as long as “that one” if not longer, are still out there in the marketplace only they now cater for all business models to keep as many hooks out there.
There are some very obvious failures out there of course, but some of those also include F2P and B2P.. its not necessarily the payment model that causes MMO’s to tank or fly high.
I think its a misconceived opinion that if games are F2P/B2P then quality and quantity of content/support are lessened much the same as thinking you get more and better if there is a subscription.
It all comes down to choices and not just financial ones. One prime example comes to mind.. recent’ish MMO, huge IP, very large budget, content ok but bug wridden and terrible performance issues right off the bat… game becomes a ghost town across the hundreds of servers … soon goes F2P got a bit better (cudn’t get any worse) but still offers subscription – make ya choice

saye.9304:

to all guys saying P2P suck. first all those games like rift, swtor. eso… it is not the sub fee which brought them down, it was low quality of content and support that made people to say the game does not worth a sub. AND none of them is actually free i played them all.
there are successful sub based games like FINAL FANTASY XIV with over 2 million subscribers, why i am not there because i do not like the graphics and on top of all unholy trinity. but the game is pretty good over all for many people.
IT IS ALL ABOUT YOU. ask for better game and have will to pay for good game.

I refuse to believe that every subscription game save for WoW did everything wrong.
Subscription cost in my opinion was always a factor. Thing is $15 is not much for a lot people sure. But when you look back and see that $15 growing to $200, $300, $500, $1000 etc.. you start feeling the wait. All it takes is one bad month and that decision to hit the unsubscribe button. Those $15 you have to pay again and that picturing how that can grow to $200, $300 etc.. will make you think twice about resubscribing. So with a few exceptions mainly WoW and EvE most MMOs experianced a decline year after year. There comes a point when the extra players and better retention that F2P brings will get you more money then your current subscription base. Thats when you go F2P. It has very little to do with your game being bad and more to do with people need breaks. Its already hard to get big numbers with subs. Most games start in the 1m area and simply go down month after month.

Now you might mention how FFXIV is an example of a game that went well above that 1m number but i am not so sure because small clarification to your statement FFXIV never claimed 2 million subs they claimed 2 million registered accounts. Which leads me to thing they’re trying to “cheat” by counting even players who didnt resubscribe. Dont get me wrong I am not saying FFXIV is doing badly, in the same statemnet they did say they have 500k people logging in each day. All I am saying like other MMOs their true number is probably closer the 1m then the 2m but thats just speculation on my part.

It doesn’t there are plenty of historic examples SWTOR is a quick one that comes to mind immediately as one of the best examples of not having a good QC system despite having a mandatory subscription early in it’s design.

That’s an aside of all of the examples of just where subscription money goes that Arenanet themselves had a hand in proving didn’t really make a difference in a game’s system of support and QC.

Now with that being said, could they get some better people in charge over there? Sure! I for one would love something akin to a Community Players Council, of particularly realistic individuals who have access to the new content before it’s released on their test servers that can act as voices of the community prior to patchs like this last update so that they can better iron out the problems in the game before the rest of us see it. 8-10 individuals would be good 2 for each community PVE open world, PVE dungeons, RP, WvW, PVP tournaments would be what I’d choose to help them with their content.

I’d hope they’d choose people who really aren’t complimentary to everything they do so that they’d get a real view of how the community would react to something they are putting in the game prior to release.

saye.9304:

no subscription fee or so called F2P, tried many of them ( not naming so wont give handle to anet to delete the post) none were actually free and when you want to play them seriously then you realize there are number of limitation and you might end up paying even more than sub fee.
that being said. if it takes subscription fee to have quality content and support and also expansion every 2 years at least like some tradition mmos then by all means ANET please do it. i would gladly pay 15 euro a month to get bug fixes update asap (world boss mess for example) to get better living story content with more permanent effect and on top of all expansion.
i think it is fair for both players and devs because devs get stable income and we get better polish game and more and better content.
if so called B2P means silence on state of the game after 20 moths.
if so called B2P means addressing bugs days or even weeks after rather than asap fix.
if so called B2P means no expansion in 2014
if so called B2P means i have no right to ask for those thing and if i do it is whining.
then by all means go P2P anet BUT make gw2 one of the best games out there.

Totally agree with you.

Wasn’t there an extract from an interview with one of ANet or NCSoft members who said that “they would never again create a b2p/f2p game”? It would sound reasonable, tbh.

Something that ppl do not seem to get is money dose not = better games. ESO will go F2P about the time when the PS4 / xbox one version is out Wildstar is going to be F2P in a way when it comes out EQ: Next more then likely is going to be B2P the only games that are P2P tend to be money grabs off of hype that tend to stay small or go F2P with in there first year.

The thing is about small P2P games they often have very long lag time for updates and feed back from there player base a lot of the time these games stay the same from there release not all that much is added other then major box updates that tend to cost the price of the full game that often come out once every 1 to 2 years. That not really worth the money you pay (mind you that the money you pay for P2P games are for server spaces not the updates.)

I am not sure what mmo game is worth P2P and how P2P would help a B2P game.

Galen Grey.4709:

saye.9304:

to all guys saying P2P suck. first all those games like rift, swtor. eso… it is not the sub fee which brought them down, it was low quality of content and support that made people to say the game does not worth a sub. AND none of them is actually free i played them all.
there are successful sub based games like FINAL FANTASY XIV with over 2 million subscribers, why i am not there because i do not like the graphics and on top of all unholy trinity. but the game is pretty good over all for many people.
IT IS ALL ABOUT YOU. ask for better game and have will to pay for good game.

I refuse to believe that every subscription game save for WoW did everything wrong.
Subscription cost in my opinion was always a factor. Thing is $15 is not much for a lot people sure. But when you look back and see that $15 growing to $200, $300, $500, $1000 etc.. you start feeling the wait. All it takes is one bad month and that decision to hit the unsubscribe button. Those $15 you have to pay again and that picturing how that can grow to $200, $300 etc.. will make you think twice about resubscribing. So with a few exceptions mainly WoW and EvE most MMOs experianced a decline year after year. There comes a point when the extra players and better retention that F2P brings will get you more money then your current subscription base. Thats when you go F2P. It has very little to do with your game being bad and more to do with people need breaks. Its already hard to get big numbers with subs. Most games start in the 1m area and simply go down month after month.

Now you might mention how FFXIV is an example of a game that went well above that 1m number but i am not so sure because small clarification to your statement FFXIV never claimed 2 million subs they claimed 2 million registered accounts. Which leads me to thing they’re trying to “cheat” by counting even players who didnt resubscribe. Dont get me wrong I am not saying FFXIV is doing badly, in the same statemnet they did say they have 500k people logging in each day. All I am saying like other MMOs their true number is probably closer the 1m then the 2m but thats just speculation on my part.

FFXIV second redo (remember it was a re-release we are talking about) said 1.8 million registered users and if they get 35% retention they would be happy and that is 630 thousand subbed.

The problem being with new servers getting faster and cheaper, it doesn’t make sense to have a sub any more. One of WoW’s reasons for a sub is they rented all their server equipment at first – then they slowly transitioned to owning the servers. People feel they shouldn’t have to pay for upkeep on servers they don’t own.

Some of the arguments here are a joke. At least I hope so… I don’t want to think people could speak such nonsense.

Not sure if anyone has done this, I haven’t, but the only way justify the OP is to compare 2 year revenue between Guild Wars 2 and Generic Subcription MMO.

If GW2 has similar revenue to the sub MMO you think is quality (get more than just Wow by the way) , then it’s not revenue that’s the issue. It’s the opinion or expectation people have.

Shockwave.1230:

Not sure if anyone has done this, I haven’t, but the only way justify the OP is to compare 2 year revenue between Guild Wars 2 and Generic Subcription MMO.

If GW2 has similar revenue to the sub MMO you think is quality (get more than just Wow by the way) , then it’s not revenue that’s the issue. It’s the opinion or expectation people have.

Yes it is the expectation. I think I recall a post about a year ago where they talked about how the revenue from the way they set up the game equalled or exceeded the projected revenue of having a sub based game. I don’t have a link and it may be a figment of my imagination.

Introduce a subscription and I stop playing. I won’t be the only one. I don’t like other people deciding that I want a better product by paying for it.

you guys missing my point i am saying :
YOU ARE THE BOSS. anet and ncsoft are working for you, without you there wont be ncsoft or anet or gw2.
how to improve the game and get anet back to working hard? first: BY ASKING BETTER QUALITY CONTENT AND SUPPORT second: BY WILLING TO PAY FOR IT.
just like any other industry in the world.
would you wear pants which has whole in the back just because somebody gave it to you for free. no you will fix it if you want to wear it and it will cost a little bit of money.

To date, the only F2P game that has gotten it right is Marvel Heroes, but not everyone likes isometric ARPGs. Actually, Smite and LoL are good too, but MOBAs are a whole different kettle of fish.

I’ve not long been playing GW2, but I think the quality for a B2P game is excellent, way more content than a similarily priced normal game would offer.

I played WoW for 2 years on release, and whilst I enjoyed it, because of the sub I felt I HAD to play, rather than play when I wanted too. Once it got to large guild raids, things started to feel more like a second job than a game, and I was paying to work that job.

I think part of the problem is that people burn out on games. I rotate things, currently bouncing between GW2, Marvel Heroes, The Witcher 2 and the DLC for Bioshock Infinite. Recently finished Stick of Truth too. I find doing so keeps you from becoming a bitter, burnt-out husk of a gamer.

This game doesn’t have enough content to merit a subscription.

saye.9304:

you guys missing my point i am saying :
YOU ARE THE BOSS. anet and ncsoft are working for you, without you there wont be ncsoft or anet or gw2.
how to improve the game and get anet back to working hard? first: BY ASKING BETTER QUALITY CONTENT AND SUPPORT second: BY WILLING TO PAY FOR IT.
just like any other industry in the world.
would you wear pants which has whole in the back just because somebody gave it to you for free. no you will fix it if you want to wear it and it will cost a little bit of money.

ArenaNet is already making more money from this game than if they had charged a subscription.

The only thing you are guaranteed to get from a subscription game is a monthly bill.

ArenaNet is putting out the type of content that is profitable in today’s MMO marketplace. If you want something else, you will probably have to start your own company and make it.

I would pay once for an expansion. I agree with Dark on the not enough content.

Personally I’ve spent twice the dollar amount of an average p2p game in Gem Store purchases (11 character slots, unlimited gather tools, etc.) over the past 18 months or so. As far as GW2 goes, the only thing that would make me happier about the game is if they turned back the clock prior to 4/15 with the Megazerger. At this point a 3 year old could be successful with the game. But that won’t happen.

With my guild of 500 from a year ago in GW2, about 1/2 stopped playing or moved on to other guilds, and at least 100 went to FF XIV, and the guild there has gained 200 more in game, there’s only 20 of us left in GW2. But I play both. FFXiv is much more challenging than GW2, the world is more realistic including Characters, their Dev’s /Producer Yoshi are constantly giving feedback to players (even tho FF XIV is releasing in China as well). Just being in game, there are many servers from which to choose so I can play with my EU friends during the day, and NA friends/guildmates at nite. Looking at the amount of players thruout the servers, I’d say SE is doing well. (Have many alts in different worlds.)

I don’t think making GW2 P2P is the answer to new content or improving the game. They’ve had good ideas, poorly implemented (i.e. LS 1).

Guys, I think those for and against the sub fee for GW2 share one, most important thing: both of these groups agree that GW2 lacks expansion-worthy content. It’s 2 years old. It won’t keep the remainder of the people playing here without anything fresh, new AND permanent. It doesn’t matter, free or subbased, if the game lacks anything new for too long ( GW2 case ), it will simply die off ‘cos I don’t think people can have as miserable lives as to waste their time playing a game that hasn’t changed for 2 years.
Just my opinion, ofc.

saye.9304:

if so called B2P means silence on state of the game after 20 moths.

You sure it was 20? They have moth balls to solve that problem.

I think the current model can work but they just haven’t figured it out yet.

Also a lot of people who would support the game through gen store purchased won’t because they feel things are broken in the game. It’s hard for me to justify throwing money on X when I feel that the pve scene is in shambles and devs aren’t making the changes fast enough.

Corpus Christi.2057:

Guys, I think those for and against the sub fee for GW2 share one, most important thing: both of these groups agree that GW2 lacks expansion-worthy content. It’s 2 years old. It won’t keep the remainder of the people playing here without anything fresh, new AND permanent. It doesn’t matter, free or subbased, if the game lacks anything new for too long ( GW2 case ), it will simply die off ‘cos I don’t think people can have as miserable lives as to waste their time playing a game that hasn’t changed for 2 years.
Just my opinion, ofc.

Ragnarok Online before the transcendent (I think that’s what they were called) jobs would beg to differ. :P

dkspins.4670:

Personally I’ve spent twice the dollar amount of an average p2p game in Gem Store purchases (11 character slots, unlimited gather tools, etc.) over the past 18 months or so. As far as GW2 goes, the only thing that would make me happier about the game is if they turned back the clock prior to 4/15 with the Megazerger. At this point a 3 year old could be successful with the game. But that won’t happen.

With my guild of 500 from a year ago in GW2, about 1/2 stopped playing or moved on to other guilds, and at least 100 went to FF XIV, and the guild there has gained 200 more in game, there’s only 20 of us left in GW2. But I play both. FFXiv is much more challenging than GW2, the world is more realistic including Characters, their Dev’s /Producer Yoshi are constantly giving feedback to players (even tho FF XIV is releasing in China as well). Just being in game, there are many servers from which to choose so I can play with my EU friends during the day, and NA friends/guildmates at nite. Looking at the amount of players thruout the servers, I’d say SE is doing well. (Have many alts in different worlds.)

I don’t think making GW2 P2P is the answer to new content or improving the game. They’ve had good ideas, poorly implemented (i.e. LS 1).

the easiness of the game brought serious problem with it and that is exploits, just look at arah or ac lfg page there is almost a seller or 2 (at least) available 24/7, imo it destroys the very concept of an mmo which is playing together and makes the game a heaven for grinders.
but my point is i am not saying give sub fee to devs blindly, what i am saying is to ask them to work hard and fix all those issues but if it takes sub fee to make anet back to hard work again then i am willing to pay but i repeat only if part of this money goes to hard work and part of it taken as profit. not most of it as profit.

I am not sure why this inane argument is even raised about this game. If you want a monthly subscription based game, there are tons out there to pick from. If you want to keep playing this game, and want a monthly sub, then just buy 20 bucks worth of gems every month.

Problem solved.

Dusty Moon.4382:

JoeytheHutt.1742:

If Im gonna play a new game after Gw2, I will start lookin for subbing games. Im not sure I would sub gw2 if the choice comes up in the future, as Im not a big fan of some of the changes that has been done lately. But who knows.
I didnt buy gw2 because it was a “free” game, I bought it because I found it interesting and I wanted to try it. A sub back then wouldnt made any difference.

Trust me the sub games aren’t as developed or as good as GW2 cough ESO cough. If one game developer that uses the sub business model, they need to put out as much content and patches as A.Net does for a B2P game. Many sub games have gone F2P with CS or Freemium – SWTOR, TERA, RIFT, TSW, etc.

They go F2P or Freemium because its more profitable, not because it increases the quality of the game. Implying that games improve because they go F2P is pretty ridiculous, actually. GW2’s quality isn’t better because its B2P. I’d say GW2’s quality is on par with other MMOs, except ANet has a lot more stubbornness and incompetence than other developers.