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Posted by: Kirby.1564

Kirby.1564

maybe I missed it before, but it seems as of late GW2 is talking more and more about buying gold with gems. is this just no big deal or is GW2 hurting for $$ and trying to get people to buy diamonds to help out?

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Posted by: projectcedric.6951

projectcedric.6951

GW2 doesnt need $$$. Anet doesn’t need $$$. You’ll be surprised how functional an MMO can be with a skeleton crew.

Their investors demand $$$.

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Posted by: Taygus.4571

Taygus.4571

they’re gems not diamonds.

And all the buy gold with gems ads are for countering the goldsellers in game. (what anet don’t realise, is if they want this to be a real counter… you need to get more gold for your cash, than gem conversion currently give you.

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Posted by: Torvarren.6295

Torvarren.6295

MMOs need money like people need oxygen.

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Posted by: Garambola.2461

Garambola.2461

All businesses want/need money. Seriously though, I do believe that advert being there to remind people that there is a safe and legitimate way to get gold with real money.

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Posted by: Aidan Savage.2078

Aidan Savage.2078

maybe I missed it before, but it seems as of late GW2 is talking more and more about buying gold with gems. is this just no big deal or is GW2 hurting for $$ and trying to get people to buy diamonds to help out?

Havent you noticed? More and more people are getting their accounts jacked by gold companies due to stupid security practices (“kitten my passwurd’s passwurd123”). It’s in part to remind people that if they want to buy gold with cash, there’s a legitimate method that will not get your account in trouble.

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Posted by: TheDaiBish.9735

TheDaiBish.9735

GW2 doesnt need $$$. Anet doesn’t need $$$. You’ll be surprised how functional an MMO can be with a skeleton crew.

Their investors demand $$$.

Tell me; what happens when ANet stop making money for the investors?

Not only that, running an MMO requires money:

  • Staff
  • Servers
  • Building and Utilities
  • Hardware and Software
Life is a journey.
Time is a river.
The door is ajar.

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Posted by: Kirby.1564

Kirby.1564

I did not know that gold sellers were in this game….(forgo the insults please) i know its obvious…just didn’t notice or think about it

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Posted by: nolij.4327

nolij.4327

imagine how great this game could have been if they focused on creating/improving content, instead of practically begging people to throw money at it while continually making present content less rewarding

RIP GW2

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Posted by: DusK.3849

DusK.3849

Tell me; what happens when ANet stop making money for the investors?

Not only that, running an MMO requires money:

  • Staff
  • Servers
  • Building and Utilities
  • Hardware and Software

These costs are grossly overestimated today. If it were 2001, I’d be siding with you. But it’s 2014, and we now have the numbers to know that even WoW could have been sustainable on box sales alone.

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Posted by: projectcedric.6951

projectcedric.6951

GW2 doesnt need $$$. Anet doesn’t need $$$. You’ll be surprised how functional an MMO can be with a skeleton crew.

Their investors demand $$$.

Tell me; what happens when ANet stop making money for the investors?

Not only that, running an MMO requires money:

  • Staff
  • Servers
  • Building and Utilities
  • Hardware and Software

You missed my point dude. What OP actually meant is that is GW2 in need of $$$ more than it needs to function, which was probably already taken into consideration with their earnings from our initial purchase?

If not they wouldn’t have been so confident to proceed with a business model that heavily relies on initial purchase. Earnings taken from microtransactions based on cosmetics is more like just milking the cow.

Also, based on the current rate of bug fixing, content development, etc, I have reason to bet that GW2 itself is now running on a skeleton crew, even if Anet is still a pretty huge company.

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Posted by: rincewind.9528

rincewind.9528

Of couse not, they obviously do not need money.

If they want money they will be releasing in the gem shop things like cute swimsuits, school uniforms, miko outfits, maid outfits, things to pimp your home instance and make it a real home, more costumes with separate parts to mix and match… and things like that. Surely part of the playerbase is willing to spend real money in some of these.

I’m one, except for the temporal content issue.
I have put on hold any gem purchasing until I can see if anet will stick with temporary content and Plater vs Clock content or not.

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Posted by: TheDaiBish.9735

TheDaiBish.9735

You missed my point dude. What OP actually meant is that is GW2 in need of $$$ more than it needs to function, which was probably already taken into consideration with their earnings from our initial purchase?

Huh, I took it that the OP meant that ANet is running short of cash, given the wording of their post and how they mention that they are ‘hurting’ for cash.

Not to mention Anet trying to make more money than is needed to function on the basic level is needed, as demanded by the investors, as you said. If they didn’t, they’d be shut down. After all, you don’t pump money into a product to see no return on it.

I’d wager a guess that the only reason GW1 is still running is because of it’s connection to GW2.

If not they wouldn’t have been so confident to proceed with a business model that heavily relies on initial purchase. Earnings taken from microtransactions based on cosmetics is more like just milking the cow.

Box sales slow down, and as mentioned before, they still need to make a profit.

While they recently had a boost from China, they still need another form of income for the slow periods.

Also, based on the current rate of bug fixing, content development, etc, I have reason to bet that GW2 itself is now running on a skeleton crew, even if Anet is still a pretty huge company.

We have absolutely no idea how many of the >300 employed at ANet do what job, no idea what they are working on (and I can understand why they don’t tell us) and no idea how hard some of them bugs are to fix – after all, fixing them bugs may very well break another part of the game, and throwing more people at a problem doesn’t neccesserily get it fixed faster.

Also, I would say the rate of content development has only suffered while they were working on getting China ready. I’d be inclined to agree with you though come July if we don’t get quite a big update.

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Posted by: Kirby.1564

Kirby.1564

to put the question simple……is GW2 going to die from a lack of income? i came from WOW so a game with no sub fee is strange to me, and i am loving it. that said i worry every day this game will die or gain a sub fee due to lack of funding. that fear has ben reinforced by the you can buy gold with gems posts.

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Posted by: projectcedric.6951

projectcedric.6951

Huh, I took it that the OP meant that ANet is running short of cash, given the wording of their post and how they mention that they are ‘hurting’ for cash.

Not to mention Anet trying to make more money than is needed to function on the basic level is needed, as demanded by the investors, as you said. If they didn’t, they’d be shut down. After all, you don’t pump money into a product to see no return on it.

No, there’s a difference between the return of investment and basic resources needed to maintain a game. If you look at the list you provided above, that actually doesn’t require a lot (as another guy put it) in terms of maintenance, relative of course to how much they have earned for box sales.

One would normally assume that the business plan for setting up would have gone something like this: box sales as primary method of income should aim to cover return of investment, running overhead expenses for at least a year and some profit (something like that). Basically, if microtransacations were not intended as the main source of income, they should not be relying on it to survive. (That would be some kind of noob-kitten business decision making.)

It doesn’t seem like it is struggling to the dangerous point either. You’re right about them not telling us how they allocate their manpower, but one thing is for certain: for a company that has only one product line in the market, 300 people is kinda big to maintain.

So either they are on a tight spot financially but the top brass are really caring about their employees to let them go or… they are not on a tight spot financially and a chunk of that workforce are doing something else that is out of our concern. GW2 China maybe. Or maybe GW3.

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Posted by: Aeolus.3615

Aeolus.3615

MMOs need money like people need oxygen.

i need both!

1st April joke, when gw2 receives a “balance” update.

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Posted by: projectcedric.6951

projectcedric.6951

to put the question simple……is GW2 going to die from a lack of income? i came from WOW so a game with no sub fee is strange to me, and i am loving it. that said i worry every day this game will die or gain a sub fee due to lack of funding. that fear has ben reinforced by the you can buy gold with gems posts.

I think it will eventually die, as all thing do. But you can be quite certain as an individual, that will be after you’ve already lost interest and move on to another game.

For as long as there is a major interest in a game, the game itself has a way to survive. Even if Anet goes down financially (for whatever reason), some other company will likely buy the game and publish it themselves. Although there might be some fundamental changes in that they will have to monetize the game in some way (that is not being done by Anet for integrity/philosophical purposes), most likely the game will survive.

A lot of games by companies like NCSoft and Aeria are like this. Even Gravity had a lot of problems with Ragnarok, but the game still went on for years.

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Posted by: Kirby.1564

Kirby.1564

to put the question simple……is GW2 going to die from a lack of income? i came from WOW so a game with no sub fee is strange to me, and i am loving it. that said i worry every day this game will die or gain a sub fee due to lack of funding. that fear has ben reinforced by the you can buy gold with gems posts.

I think it will eventually die, as all thing do. But you can be quite certain as an individual, that will be after you’ve already lost interest and move on to another game.

For as long as there is a major interest in a game, the game itself has a way to survive. Even if Anet goes down financially (for whatever reason), some other company will likely buy the game and publish it themselves. Although there might be some fundamental changes in that they will have to monetize the game in some way (that is not being done by Anet for integrity/philosophical purposes), most likely the game will survive.

A lot of games by companies like NCSoft and Aeria are like this. Even Gravity had a lot of problems with Ragnarok, but the game still went on for years.

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Posted by: mrauls.6519

mrauls.6519

I don’t think a lot of people realize what financial managers of a company should aim to do. Their goal should be to focus on the investors. The most important ones being those that offer risk capital, a really scarce resource. It’s not just about breaking even or making a little profit.

That being said, I do wish this game was receiving the type of content it should be getting… There should have been an expansion w new dungeons, maps, and a continuation of the personal story. Of course new skins too. This is getting kind of ridiculous

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Posted by: projectcedric.6951

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I don’t think a lot of people realize what financial managers of a company should aim to do. Their goal should be to focus on the investors. The most important ones being those that offer risk capital, a really scarce resource. It’s not just about breaking even or making a little profit.

That being said, I do wish this game was receiving the type of content it should be getting… There should have been an expansion w new dungeons, maps, and a continuation of the personal story. Of course new skins too. This is getting kind of ridiculous

Yeah, but its not really our concern. For players its just the psychological security that the game will still be there, and hence breaking even at least.

In my experience too, cases like Zynga (who’ve struck an oil field) and Blizzard with their empire of games are quite rare, just as rare as prominent companies with big games going bankrupt in such a short notice. Most game companies, big and small, are really just these persistent so-so performers that are breaking even with some considerable profits.

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Posted by: tigirius.9014

tigirius.9014

I don’t think a lot of people realize what financial managers of a company should aim to do. Their goal should be to focus on the investors. The most important ones being those that offer risk capital, a really scarce resource. It’s not just about breaking even or making a little profit.

That being said, I do wish this game was receiving the type of content it should be getting… There should have been an expansion w new dungeons, maps, and a continuation of the personal story. Of course new skins too. This is getting kind of ridiculous

Yeah, but its not really our concern. For players its just the psychological security that the game will still be there, and hence breaking even at least.

In my experience too, cases like Zynga (who’ve struck an oil field) and Blizzard with their empire of games are quite rare, just as rare as prominent companies with big games going bankrupt in such a short notice. Most game companies, big and small, are really just these persistent so-so performers that are breaking even with some considerable profits.

There’s also the tendency of some players to think that the system they are using is both successful and profitable when history has shown otherwise. It keeps being said that the use of DR the focus on TP and the focus on the gold selling isn’t the method used by the most successful game economists but no one is listening to the seasoned players who have been around the block a couple of times and seen entire games go down because of terrible rewards systems and an AH focused rewards system with real money direct purchase ui elements.

No one is denying they need cash that’s not the issue at all, there are both sub only and F2P only games that have had record sales every year without these tactics. What’s really funny is even in games where the STORE is the focus and people complain about the store being the focus the sales are off the scale because the game is actually rewarding in those titles but still maintains the so called dreaded “nickle and diming” system people love to complain about but which receive much better financial support from the community because A: it doesn’t feel like a chore to login and play and B: the goals are actually achieveable and not outrageously lengthy or a second job in itself to achieve.

There are plenty of better ways out there without using extreme RNG and extreme DR measures to harm farmers.

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Posted by: CureForLiving.5360

CureForLiving.5360

Long long ago ANet posted a news article that stated they had a bunch of teams all working on different aspects of the game. I’m guessing that’s no longer the case, but I do believe there is still a separate gem store team responsible for gem store items and the weekly news posts. So I’m guessing the gem team goal is to make money. Not sure if this necessarily reflects on the main dev team through.

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Posted by: projectcedric.6951

projectcedric.6951

I don’t think a lot of people realize what financial managers of a company should aim to do. Their goal should be to focus on the investors. The most important ones being those that offer risk capital, a really scarce resource. It’s not just about breaking even or making a little profit.

That being said, I do wish this game was receiving the type of content it should be getting… There should have been an expansion w new dungeons, maps, and a continuation of the personal story. Of course new skins too. This is getting kind of ridiculous

Yeah, but its not really our concern. For players its just the psychological security that the game will still be there, and hence breaking even at least.

In my experience too, cases like Zynga (who’ve struck an oil field) and Blizzard with their empire of games are quite rare, just as rare as prominent companies with big games going bankrupt in such a short notice. Most game companies, big and small, are really just these persistent so-so performers that are breaking even with some considerable profits.

There’s also the tendency of some players to think that the system they are using is both successful and profitable when history has shown otherwise. It keeps being said that the use of DR the focus on TP and the focus on the gold selling isn’t the method used by the most successful game economists but no one is listening to the seasoned players who have been around the block a couple of times and seen entire games go down because of terrible rewards systems and an AH focused rewards system with real money direct purchase ui elements.

No one is denying they need cash that’s not the issue at all, there are both sub only and F2P only games that have had record sales every year without these tactics. What’s really funny is even in games where the STORE is the focus and people complain about the store being the focus the sales are off the scale because the game is actually rewarding in those titles but still maintains the so called dreaded “nickle and diming” system people love to complain about but which receive much better financial support from the community because A: it doesn’t feel like a chore to login and play and B: the goals are actually achieveable and not outrageously lengthy or a second job in itself to achieve.

There are plenty of better ways out there without using extreme RNG and extreme DR measures to harm farmers.

I don’t think this is about the flaws of the game leading to the company not surviving financially, man.

I mean, in another topic, maybe yes. But the things they’re selling us through gems are not even the kind of things that would help us go through the DR, nor has lack of avenue for effective gold farming has got anything to do with trying to sell us cosmetic stuffs.

Its just the kind of thing that, yknow, regardless of the quality of the game, this is just the business model that they decided to go with.

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Posted by: Rebound.3409

Rebound.3409

Problem is not them wanting $$ …problem is they don’t offer anything for $$…either that or bugged out content that they don’t seem to have a clue about how to fix.

Lately the updates they do only offer cash shop items. That tells a lot not about their needs but about their mentality.