I arrived half an hour early. Seeing as I have only done it once since we got the new sha I was asking questions …. no answers, no instructions. When it started I switched over to the combat tab (my norm during a boss fight, I want to see if my hits are landing but no time for chit-chat). Afterwards I switched my tab back and saw how toxic the chat (really? ppl have time to talk during battle?) had been. All sorts of complaining people were not doing one thing or another. I was playing a ranger and one thing was that rangers were not doing such-and-such …. well, it would have been handy if I knew to do it.
Is hat always like that now in map chat? When I am commanding at a boss fight I instruct first. I am not saying I would not get a bit testy the 10th time I have said the same thing in prep and the fight was a few minutes away with nobody listening (“umm, ppl, if nobody does defense teq will fail”), but these are things nobody had said before the event started.
Imo you should probably have communication of some sort open during a team based world meta event. You really don’t need to see a detail of your damage because it’s so insignificant compared to the total amount of players participating. Like, with 100+ players you are 1% for example, if you improve your dps by 20% by trying really hard that’s a +0.2% of the boss hp which is basically nothing considering most world bosses don’t really need cutting edge dps from everyone.
Basically, communication is far more important. That’s good design imo, it promotes social interaction and at least some level of teamwork.
What is the point of having comms open? It is not like I will have time to type anything, which is why I switch to combat …. if I want to know anything it will be ‘am I hitting this particular thing’. I could give a toss about what the actual number is. I would hide it to give me more screen real estate but occasionally the combat screen is handy, like when I am at extreme ranges. Which pretty much makes any of your damage numbers irrelevant?
No, social interaction is actually instructing people before the fight when you can be civil and they can ask questions. Not yelling at people during it for not doing it another way. Reread my post, I was asking people things before the fight and nobody was answering.
So you got to the fight so early that asking any questions was kinda pointless as most likely anyone who might have answered you hadn’t arrived yet. It’s also possible that those who were in the map at the time didn’t know the answers. I would have to make a few assumptions about your experience like: that you were constantly asking for info every two minutes and that you were explaining that you hadn’t done the fight before.
And then as the fight begins you shut down all forms of communication with the group just so you can watch your numbers fly by? So when you were hitting the Pulsing nodes for zero damage, what thought went through your mind? It’s entirely possible that someone was actually giving directions during the fight, but you wouldn’t have known it. Maybe the people who would have answered you were too busy making sure the pre-events got done.
I’m sorry if this feels like a personal attack but it really is your fault. You severed the communication link. As for the toxicity of the mapchat, well…can you blame them? I mean if they are trying to get people organized and get them to do one particular task but everyone is too busy plinking away at range to notice…to them it just looks like they are being ignored by people who don’t really care.
Yeah.Turning off map chat to look at your dps during a map meta event is unproductive
to say the least.
Especially in a event you don’t know that well yet.
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lose a pip,win 2 pips,lose a pip,lose a pip…………..-
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As for why you would want comms open…seriously??? Do you think that real world armies go into combat and then turn their radios off as they engage the enemy?
It’s called battlefield awareness…it helps to know when things are going poorly or maybe, I dunno…say a vital position is in need of assistance because they are taking more fire than was expected.
What is the point of having comms open? It is not like I will have time to type anything, which is why I switch to combat …. if I want to know anything it will be ‘am I hitting this particular thing’. I could give a toss about what the actual number is. I would hide it to give me more screen real estate but occasionally the combat screen is handy, like when I am at extreme ranges. Which pretty much makes any of your damage numbers irrelevant?
No, social interaction is actually instructing people before the fight when you can be civil and they can ask questions. Not yelling at people during it for not doing it another way. Reread my post, I was asking people things before the fight and nobody was answering.
You might not have time to chat/reply on the ground, but there are other players, especially in The Shatterer, who are in other areas of the fight that do have more free time to coordinate commands (Most notably the turrets and turret defense teams) who can see the battle and give directions quickly. If someone’s giving directions, listen to them – On the battlefield, it’s command and obey (even if the commands are just suggestions), not banter back and forth. Furthermore – sometimes a slight loss of personal DPS as you move to mouse-movement and autoattack is worth the greater effect of other players mobilizing to fill the commands.
You know if you’re hitting something because a number will pop up at the point of impact, regardless of range and in front of all intervening models and particle effects. You don’t need the combat log.
You posted the Teq def example here. Of course things like that should be organized beforehand, but I’ve seen alot of people who leave too early from defense or stay behind even if the timer falls below 10s with good health points on all batteries. Someone always is so nice to write “back”, “back at 20s” or maybe even “east needs more ppl” in the middle of the fight – you never know if everything goes smoothly or people are troubled elsewhere. Same happens sometimes with Vinewrath, commanders and other players do give advices during the battle if they notice a line struggles with something (explaining toxic on mid line, refilling ammo at top,…).
But people who stare at their dps won’t read those quick instructions, so they can’t help out where they are needed :/
You know if you’re hitting something because a number will pop up at the point of impact, regardless of range and in front of all intervening models and particle effects. You don’t need the combat log.
This is the point I wanted to make, so I’m pulling it out to highlight it. If all you are trying to see is if you hit your target, those floating numbers indicate the hit.
It’s not easy to see chat during combat when you’re focusing on the fight, but if you’re able to look at your combat tab, you’re able to look at Map chat. I did Shatterer last night and people were trying to take down the blue bar by setting a time frame for everyone going to the pads. It worked the first time, even, though sadly he flew up the next two times.
Even if you’d been told in advance “there will be a time when everyone who can get to a launch pad should so they can be ready to fly when the blue bar appears,” knowing exactly when that moment comes isn’t something you can figure out as someone new to the fight without seeing the calls for “to the pads!”
Ah internet, I love you. I come here asking about toxic map chat so people start blaming me because I do not read chat in battle.
My #1 thing to watch is a party or squad chat if I am in one and I make no excuses for that. The only reason I even had combat chat on at all this time was because I was standing somewhere different than normal and it was the fastest way to find my range while it started. My absolute last thing to watch is map chat during a fight. If you want a good map you need to arrive early so not talking at 30 minutes before the event is a pretty silly excuse. If people are asking questions then about the mechanics than do not be a johny-come-lately and yell after it starts that everyone is doing it wrong if you did not answer their questions.
But people who stare at their dps won’t read those quick instructions, so they can’t help out where they are needed :/
I do not stare at my dps. It is just something out of the corner of my eye to tell me something is wrong if I stop seeing movement.
My basic question is this. I arrived at a reasonable time before a daily boss to get a good map. I asked questions as the mechanics had changed but got no answers. Scrolling through chat from the fight later I could see people getting all kinds of upset that people were not ‘doing it right’. Is this normal for xhaterer now?
Even with the new fight, 30m is still crazy early to try to grab a map for Shatterer. Do Teq or TT start gathering that early?
I’m not going to defend people being kittens, ever. But I ran the event a lot after it dropped trying to get the CC achievements, and there were a lot of people that didn’t seem to get how the crystal healing phase worked. If people don’t split and CC for the crystals, you will fail the event, something I’ve had happen a lot. And I’ve been in a bunch of maps where he gains a lot of HP back with the first heal, a couple people get on the importance of the split/CC, and then the next round goes much more smoothly. Never mind getting breakbars after the first take-off, if that; those have pretty much always required someone tagging up and calling people back to the pads and then to launch.
But again, those calls should be “guys, we need more people east for the next crystals ASAP” or “make sure you switch to CC, we need to CC quickly or we WILL fail” or similar. Not trash talking.
Are the white numbers not indicative enough to tell you’re hitting your target? There’s other visual aids to help you understand if you’re doing damage, what kind of damage as well as how you can handle attacks coming your way.
So those white numbers that pop up, there’s a number size scale that also indicates if your attack critically hit. You’ll also see things like “Miss”, “Evaded”, “Blocked” and “Invulnerable” if the attacks were on target but a defensive action caused the damage to not occur. If nothing pops up, it’s likely because you don’t have anything targeted when you used the attack and thus it hit nothing. If you used an attack on a target and it says “Out of Range” or “Obstructed” then obviously the attack didn’t connect because of range or something is in the way of your attack.
I see absolutely no purpose of having combat tab open during a fight. It’s only really useful to see what happened in retrospect after the fight is over.
Why have comms open during a fight? You may not have time to type but someone else might have useful instructions and are in a position to type. People downed or rezzing, people working event objects, players traveling, etc.
Why is chat so toxic? IMO, that’s life. Best to just be a reasonable person willing to figure things out and try to help others and NOT add to the toxicity.
Yes, most chat is toxic for these events now. Most of the people the people on low pop, low tier maps are just there for their remaining achievements not necessarily tied to the meta (HPs etc). Those that do try the meta don’t have enough people to successfully do all the stages of the meta and as a result of it failing often blame whoever they can in map chat.
I’m sure it will get better soon, until then though, next time you show up to a map 30 minites prior to meta, open LFG and start looking for “Tier 4 insert map here” or “Organized insert map here.” Don’t ask questions at first, just follow the tag and do what everyone else does, of you’re doing something wrong, most people will tell you without being rude.
Ummm, the kitty-kat filter will not let me correctly type the name but this was today’s boss in ascalon ….. not the HOT meta. Good to know it is not just me encountering people doing this on map chat though.
I arrived half an hour early. Seeing as I have only done it once since we got the new sha I was asking questions …. no answers, no instructions. When it started I switched over to the combat tab (my norm during a boss fight, I want to see if my hits are landing but no time for chit-chat). Afterwards I switched my tab back and saw how toxic the chat (really? ppl have time to talk during battle?) had been. All sorts of complaining people were not doing one thing or another. I was playing a ranger and one thing was that rangers were not doing such-and-such …. well, it would have been handy if I knew to do it.
Is hat always like that now in map chat? When I am commanding at a boss fight I instruct first. I am not saying I would not get a bit testy the 10th time I have said the same thing in prep and the fight was a few minutes away with nobody listening (“umm, ppl, if nobody does defense teq will fail”), but these are things nobody had said before the event started.
if only there is a place where you can type in something you want to research and it gives you various solutions in matter of seconds.
You see your hits when you see numbers – no need to switch to combat log – I would be seriously annoyed by that at Teq because I land 10 hits per second plus poison, plus sigil procs – ugh the spam.
Anyway, it’s not like it used to be before megaservers – people aren’t really camping maps, so no one is there until a few minutes before the events start. Just think that no one knows you’re there – leave the map chat open and believe in the game mechanics that your shots will hit, read and learn. Or google and read everything about that fight beforehand.
And I pretty much doubt that the chat really was that toxic.
I was commander at teq today and no one killed the fingers and I couldn’t really jump around as I’m the point for the turret buffs – so I asked in say chat that people please kill the fingers – some might see that as toxic.
Also something you may not have been aware of is that there is a world boss train these days, usually the fights are over well in advance of the next boss…but not always. There have been times when the zerg hasn’t arrived at Lowland Burns until after the dragon lands.
Unfortunately, a lot of people just don’t pay attention at the world boss events. For example, every single time at the Shadow Behemoth, 90% of the people just stand there and don’t help close the portals, even when asked to.
Another example, at Teq people are told to warp back to the nearest WP if they die. Instead they just stay there and wait for people to rez them. It’s like people are just half asleep at these events, which can cause people to get annoyed.
Tbh I have to say you are at least 50% to blame here……there is just no way around it. Comms are important during such fights, even if you don’t reply back. Just knowing what is going on and where people need help is a pretty big thing. It’s really not THAT hard to multi-task in this game, not in this day and age anyway with what people are used to.
It sounds to me like you should probably go to a guide beforehand instead of “hoping” that people will be there 30 mins early to give you the info. I am not saying that the community is not helpful but a lot of people that do these events are usually doing all map metas and thus they only turn up just before it kicks off usually with only a few mins to spare. Yes it sucks for people like you but that’s just how it is I am afraid.
Since when did this business of being a hero become being a business?
After the 3300th ranger with a bearbow pointlessly knocking back a target, you stop being so cordial.
Ironically, the thing in the OP’s original quest that he mentions rangers “not doing” was probably not using Point Blank Shot on the healing crystals. I’ve lost track of how many times I’ve been trying to whittle down the break bar on one of them while a longbow ranger stands beside me autoattacking (or, even better, switching to staff to use that auto) and making no attempt to use PBS for one of the things it’s actually good for.
Also something you may not have been aware of is that there is a world boss train these days, usually the fights are over well in advance of the next boss…but not always. There have been times when the zerg hasn’t arrived at Lowland Burns until after the dragon lands.
There were plenty of people there well in advance.
So let me get this right.. during a fight.. you shut off all communication with you, and you walked in, not really knowing what to do? Wow.. just.. Wow.
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Ah internet, I love you. I come here asking about toxic map chat so people start blaming me because I do not read chat in battle.
My #1 thing to watch is a party or squad chat if I am in one and I make no excuses for that. The only reason I even had combat chat on at all this time was because I was standing somewhere different than normal and it was the fastest way to find my range while it started. My absolute last thing to watch is map chat during a fight. If you want a good map you need to arrive early so not talking at 30 minutes before the event is a pretty silly excuse. If people are asking questions then about the mechanics than do not be a johny-come-lately and yell after it starts that everyone is doing it wrong if you did not answer their questions.
ok. yes, you’re right. people should be answering questions and not raging when things are done wrong afterward. there is pretty much always a level of toxicity anywhere… people who QQ that their teammates suck in sPVP… people crying in WvW about poorly spent supply, misqueued upgrades (which thankfully is not an issue anymore), or lack of response to a scouts call… kitten talk and political/religious bs in open world zones everywhere from newb zones to 80th level zones to LA.
however, as a fellow ranger, i’m going to call you out on one thing… if you are doing a more complex world event like shatterer or teq, especially one you don’t know yet, DO NOT turn off map chat. yes, questions should have been answered ahead of time, and yes people may lose their kitten minds and get toxic if things start to go badly, but it’s never a good idea to shut off all method of communication during a large dynamic event that may have instructions called out at certain times. as others have said, the floating white numbers mid screen show if you’re hitting or not… you don’t need the combat log for that. heck, i never use my combat log unless i want to go back and see how much damage a particular hit did.
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It sounds like you asked questions in map chat. You did not get any answers. So you felt vindictive and turned map chat off in a passive-aggressive way: “Since no one is going to have the courtesy to answer me I am just going to shut them out.” This is how you are coming across and people here on the forums are going to take issue with that. I understand you are telling us otherwise but there really is no reason to turn off map chat in your situation. I understand your thread is about being toxic. In no way am I trying to be toxic here. I’m just being assertive while describing my take on the situation. In the future I would just recommend keeping map chat on. Yes map chat can become toxic but this becomes much more likely to happen when no one is listening. It’s frustrating when you ask questions and no one answers them before a fight. It is also frustrating when during a fight people are trying to coordinate and prevent a failed event and no one is listening.
No, I never look at map chat during a battle. I was not being passive-aggressive, that is SOP for when I enter a big battle. Think of it like how the military specifically designs jet kittenpits not to have too many alarms going off at once because they will get tuned out if not. Thank the idiots on other parts of the map that want to spam the map with things about their guild and such. I am way to busy to pick out the useful stuff that is said. If I am in a party or a squad I will turn to that as I know there is a high probability anything said in those windows will be things I need to see.
If I left map chat on it would do no good. I hyperfocus on a task at hand and do not even see chat during big boss battles, which is why I make sure to ask questions in advance if I need more information. I have done that boss since it changed, but I noticed people were all waiting in a different area now so was asking why before the action started.
You really don’t need to justify how you play to us. You want to filter out any possible useful information in an open world boss fight by turning off map chat that’s your business.
No it’s not like sitting in a jet fighter either…because you would be ignoring the voice in your earphones giving you information on where your firepower would do the most good.
I’ve noticed a little bit of toxic chat during some events but it happens, people get frustrated at constant failure because of a lack of cooperation or whatever they see it to be and since it is sooo easy to grief people in the game without any possible recourse. Well, it happens.
It seems you were also bothered by the fact that no one was answering your questions in mapchat before the fight. Maybe they felt you should go find the answers yourself since it would likely take them a while to give you a rundown of what happens and what is needed. Maybe they all thought someone else was helping you. Maybe they didn’t care since there are so many places to find the information they figured you’d find it if you cared to.
No, I never look at map chat during a battle. I was not being passive-aggressive, that is SOP for when I enter a big battle. Think of it like how the military specifically designs jet kittenpits not to have too many alarms going off at once because they will get tuned out if not. Thank the idiots on other parts of the map that want to spam the map with things about their guild and such. I am way to busy to pick out the useful stuff that is said. If I am in a party or a squad I will turn to that as I know there is a high probability anything said in those windows will be things I need to see.
If I left map chat on it would do no good. I hyperfocus on a task at hand and do not even see chat during big boss battles, which is why I make sure to ask questions in advance if I need more information. I have done that boss since it changed, but I noticed people were all waiting in a different area now so was asking why before the action started.
Well did you or did you not know what was going on in the event?
If you tend to know what’s going to happen or how things work, it’s okay to tune stuff out (for the most part). I do the same in fractals and when I did dungeons and I tend to do the same in Silverwastes most of the time. But seeing as I don’t really do all the meta events a whole bunch and I may have only done an event a couple of times (or even never in most HoT maps!) and I never use guides to get me through content, I try to expand my perception to include any helpful hints about what to do, including the little descriptions under the enemys’ names and map chat/team chat. But most of the time? Yeah, tune it out.
Good to know it is not just me encountering people doing this on map chat though.