Guild Wars 2

Ok I did a search for it, but couldn’t find the info I needed. So do I have to do all the Vistas in order to get world completion, and if so why? I plan on playing for a very long time, but I cannot complete any jumping puzzles beyond the most simple (even with guides). This is due to a mixture of poor reflexes and old age. So if I have to do these in order to complete the world it seems extremely unfair to rule me (and many others) out for a legendary ANY time down the road, Thanks.

The vistas are much easier than jumping puzzles, and only vistas are required. They are the little maps floating around the place. Jumping puzzles are the 5-20 minute challenging puzzles that give an achievement and chest reward at the end.

Vistas are simple? Try the ones in the eternal battlegrounds or cursed shores. But thanks for answering my question. I’ll just have to settle for not bothering with them…. anyone want to buy a few mystic clovers.

Just look up the points you are having issues with on Youtube; plenty of videos.

I will agree some Vistas are annoyingly hard, but most are not near as bad as the jumping puzzles. Actually, some Vistas are jumping puzzles, all of 3 of them I think. One in Ascalon area, and one in Malchor’s leap that I can recall.

The videos really help though

I appreciate your reply Katreyn, but even the best videos won’t help me to jump from one little plank to another (3 times) with no room for error. I don’t mind to much, but I think it would be much more fair to long time players to have alternate paths to the legendaries.

Tommyknocker: As I understand it, you have to complete the Vistas to have map completion. When you complete all waypoints, vistas, heart quests, and points of interest, you get 1 “reward”: some stuff and some coinage. Also, when you clear an area, (like all of the Norn area, for example) you get an additional title achievement.

I totally relate with you regarding the vistas: some ARE like jumping puzzles, and I frickin HATE jumping puzzles. BUT, if you look at it like I do, (“I only have to do this crap ONCE!”), it might not be so bad!

I find that turning off the double-tap to evade helps A LOT (I remapped it to mouse 4). This allows you to do minute tapping to move around tight ledges and the like. I can’t remember how many times on a jumping puzzle I double-tapped and fell to my doom.

IMO the vistas in the starting areas were sufficient to see the surrounding areas (most of these I have completed btw). Once you get into the higher level areas it almost seems that ANet was putting a deliberate roadblock in the way of some players ever getting the best skins. I realize that their are many bumps in the road to legendary, but none of them require the players to be as dexterous in order to complete.

edit: oh and IceBlink I have tuned off my double tap to dodge, I am just not dexterous enough to do anything over the most simplistic ones.

i would recommend “hiring” a mesmer to do the vistas for you and then port you. it’s an alternative to giving up on legendaries and negates the stress from things.

That will be my only option I’m sure, fortunately I believe I have a few friend/contact Mesmers I could call on to help. Now I just have to figure out what to pay them.

What the…“I can’t achieve something, can you please lower the bar so I can attain it.”

Try your best at it. Watch videos. Take it slowly. Focus on making one jump at a time.

I have no idea what you mean by “not dextrous enough.” Perhaps you use a custom keyboard input configuration that is plain inefficient? All you need for jumping puzzles are wasd, space, and your mouse. Left hand, middle 3 fingers stay on wad, and thumb on space, while right hand controls mouse. There isn’t some crazy dexterity involved.

You don’t even need to do all this at once too. Take your time, move your mouse to a camera angle most optimal, then do the jump even, if you are unable to control the mouse/jump at the same time.

If you can’t even do this, I question your ability to do other things required to get a legendary. IE do dungeons, many of them which requires lots of dodging and such.

Thanks for your reply Ursan; my only hope is that you never grow old enough to know what bad nerves are like. As for dungeons and other combat situations, I do well enough as pressing one key at a time is a far cry from having to judge/time out a distance over and over again. Btw dexterity according to Webster’s is the readiness and grace in physical activity; especially : skill and ease in using the hands <manual dexterity>.

edit: Nayru – other options and I have found one with the Mesmer suggestion. thanks.

The Mesmer option is a smart one, but all the same, I don’t think you should count yourself out just yet. If you work at it, you can do it! You should have seen the first time I tried to play a game with a mouse, but now I can’t live without it. Best of luck whatever you decide to do.

Tommyknocker.6089:

Thanks for your reply Ursan; my only hope is that you never grow old enough to know what bad nerves are like. As for dungeons and other combat situations, I do well enough as pressing one key at a time is a far cry from having to judge/time out a distance over and over again. Btw dexterity according to Webster’s is the readiness and grace in physical activity; especially : skill and ease in using the hands <manual dexterity>.

edit: Nayru – other options and I have found one with the Mesmer suggestion. thanks.

So your problem is judging distances? That’s not the same thing as dexterity then.

Watch videos for each vista. Look at each jump, look at where the person is making the jump from. Orient your character. Then space + w.

Most vistas don’t punish you for missing jumps. For those, you can just iterate. Jump from one spot, and if you don’t make the jump, try from a different spot.

The vistas that do punish you are usually those where you have to jump from one platform to another, non-connected platform. Same thing. Look at videos, see where they are jumping from. Try to get to the edge of the platform if you can. if you fall, just learn where you fell from and try with a more conservative estimate of where the edge is.

Forgive me if I sound annoyed, but I have a hard time imagining you’ve put in any effort into these jumping puzzles. There’s a few hard ones, yes, but most of them can be done if you iterate enough times: they are not that hard at all, especially when you have videos to rely on to know what the correct path is.

If you simply still cannot do it, I guess getting a legendary is out of the question for you then. If you get a 85% grade in a class where 90% is the threshold is an A, do you cry out it’s unfair? No, you just didn’t have what it takes to achieve that 90% grade.

Thanks to all that replied. I have taken into consideration what has been suggested and as such I will ONLY hire a mesmer after I have tried for at least a half an hour on the tougher ones. I just won’t concede the point of having an 85 percentile being considered a fail and although it isn’t 90% it would still be a passing grade anywhere.

Hello Tommyknocker (Great book by Steven King by the way).
I don’t consider myself old but I to had some big issues with judging distance especially when having to jump from narrow beam to beam. What really helped is to turn the angle of your camera so you viewing each jump from above. That will make it a lot easier on knowing when to release the forward key. I’m sorry I did not roll a Mesmer or else I would have helped you out. Good luck on your endevour.

I’m an old guy too and yes, the EB vistas are really really irritating. I finally managed the one you’re talking about with the little plank hops but it took me at least an hour.

Don’t worry though, the world completion isn’t the thing that will stop you getting the legendary, it is the horrible WvW badge farming.

Tommyknocker.6089:

Thanks to all that replied. I have taken into consideration what has been suggested and as such I will ONLY hire a mesmer after I have tried for at least a half an hour on the tougher ones. I just won’t concede the point of having an 85 percentile being considered a fail and although it isn’t 90% it would still be a passing grade anywhere.

Please don’t torture yourself based on some rude responses here.

Making jumping a requirement, doesn’t make any more sense than making a PhD level math test a requirement for 100% map.

And I would like to apologize for the awful comments on behalf on those who won’t apologize for themselves.

Requiring vistas for map completion makes perfect sense, they’re a part of the map. There are maybe 2 vista’s that are actually difficult.

How about this, you don’t need vista’s for map completion, and I wont need hearts for map completion? Ridiculous? I thought so too.

Tommyknocker.6089:

I just won’t concede the point of having an 85 percentile being considered a fail and although it isn’t 90% it would still be a passing grade anywhere.

Either you completely missed my point in the analogy,

or…

You think not getting an A grade is a failure (which it isn’t). And not getting a legendary is considered a failure (which it also isn’t).

The point is, if you don’t reach that threshold for an A, you don’t get that A. If you can’t complete the requirements for a legendary, you won’t get that legendary.

Unless you do manage to get the Vistas with the many helpful tips in this thread. If you do it, then yes, hopefully you will get that legendary someday in the future.

But please, none of that stuff about being “unfair” or this being a “roadblock.” Is it hard? Perhaps for you. Is it impossible? No, not if you put in the effort.

Phy.2913:

Requiring vistas for map completion makes perfect sense, they’re a part of the map. There are maybe 2 vista’s that are actually difficult.

How about this, you don’t need vista’s for map completion, and I wont need hearts for map completion? Ridiculous? I thought so too.

Figures. I said nothing about vistas, I said jumping. There was no need to turn Vistas into Mario Brothers AND make that a requirement for map completions. They could have just made a hard to find way to walk to them.

And while we’re at it, it would make perfect sense to require a reading comprehension test before posting on the forums, so why don’t we have one of those?

You’re right, how dare they add minimal difficulty to something that’s already easy to do. Space bar is hard to reach sometimes.

If you need some inspiration, my father is nearly 70 and had never played any games beyond Mario. He has managed to complete the vistas himself, but with difficulty of course. You shouldn’t concede defeat and then make an excuse as to why you were defeated. Where there is a will, there is a way. (cliche, I know)

I’m not sure what about being old would make the vistas especially difficult. If you can drive a car, then you can do a vista. If you are unable to drive a car, then I apologize.

You may also be one of the individuals who have trouble gauging distance due to the limited field of view in this game, which can distort distances.

Never.6014:

The vistas are much easier than jumping puzzles, and only vistas are required. They are the little maps floating around the place. Jumping puzzles are the 5-20 minute challenging puzzles that give an achievement and chest reward at the end.

Some vistas are in the same place of jumping puzzles.

rtommaso.3120:

Never.6014:

The vistas are much easier than jumping puzzles, and only vistas are required. They are the little maps floating around the place. Jumping puzzles are the 5-20 minute challenging puzzles that give an achievement and chest reward at the end.

Some vistas are in the same place of jumping puzzles.

1 Vista is like this, maybe 2. It’s not this widespread issue people make it out to be.

Ingmar.7530:

I’m an old guy too and yes, the EB vistas are really really irritating. I finally managed the one you’re talking about with the little plank hops but it took me at least an hour.

Whew and I thought I was bad taking like 15 minutes and probably 20+ tries to do that one. It was the first plank that really got me. After I made that a couple times I finished with no trouble. It was definitely frustrating though and there’s no way I could have kept trying for an hour. Kudos on your fortitude.

I am not an old guy though, just bad at jumping (and getting like 10fps on my laptop doesn’t help).

It was the last thing I needed for 100% so I could hardly give up there.

The worst part of 100% completion are usually the hearts, since they take forever to complete if no DEs start triggering around you, which is a problem with the game’s very limited content and harsh leveling system. Vistas are the least of your concerns.

No one is going to fail hearts because they have poor reflexes or twitchy fingers though. I’ve never seen the suggestion to hire a mes to portal someone to the top of a heart area.

Not that I think vistas should be removed from map completion, just that they probably are far and away the hardest part for some people.

I have an excellent tip for you regarding the Eternal Battleground vistas, that require you to jump from plank to plank in a circle.

Whilst in the plank, edge yourself to the edge of the plank. Then turn your character to face the wall, where the next plank is jutting out of the wall, and jump as far as you can. It’s impossible to over-extend your jump because the wall stops you. Then, walk to the edge of the next plank, and then jump back inwards to the wall again, like a zig-zag fashion.

Btw, the hysterical nature of your thread comes across as being a little pathetic, and I don’t mean that as an insult. But honestly, is this your attitude in real life too? I can’t do it, so this is unfair. Life isn’t fair, and nobody is equal. These are lessons you should have learnt in your ‘old age’.

My best advice is to keep practising until you can do it. It took me over an hour in Eternal Battlegrounds with that vista until it ‘clicked’ with me and I had the idea of using the wall as a buffer.

Grow a pair of balls!

Tommyknocker.6089:

That will be my only option I’m sure, fortunately I believe I have a few friend/contact Mesmers I could call on to help. Now I just have to figure out what to pay them.

Start by narrowing down the list of vistas you need help with as much as possible.

This is NOT how you do jumping puzzles. Just saying.

You serious? Those are kittening simple…

I have completed all vistas twice in the game now. From memory there are about 3-5 that were a problem for me. I can see how frustrating it is for other players if even the not so difficult ones for myself are such for them. I have also helped a friend learn how to do jumping puzzles/vistas a bit better too because she too was really not so great at doing them and was super struggling and getting very angry lol.

Another tip I could give you Tommy to help with vistas and jump puzzles alike is to do them on an Engineer class using a rifle. They have a jump skill that lets you pinpoint exactly where you land. I have found this to be helpful in about 99% of jump puzzles and vistas that I was really struggling with.

I would sugest doing as quickly as you can tho if you go down that path before Anet decides to “nerf” said skill….

Good luck!