Guild Wars 2

FlamingFoxx.1305:

VidGhost.3215:

I’m going to keep playing as long as the game keeps bringing in ascended armor and new content. If the level cap is ever increased and everything i have then becomes void worthless.. That’s is when i will stop playing and go back to good old RTS games.

But so far this has not bee officially stated by Anet so all is well in the GW2 world..
Still the best game I’ve played in a very long time.

You realize the irony in that right?
You just said you will stop playing if your current gear becomes worthless. Yet that is EXACTLY what ascended gear does (and thus why so many people have a problem with it) (personally not a problem to me, I just hope they add it into crafting at some point because other it makes having 400 in crafting a bit pointless >.>).

Eh… no… the amulet, for example (Berserkers version) gives you an increase in damage of 0.55% over the exotic. That hardly makes the gear worthless.

What you people are playing here is a WoW clone with a twist. Anet has very clearly been comparing their game to WoW during development. This talk about “not being like WoW” is the kind of talk where they want to gain their own leverage – their model is WoW, but they are doing it better! During the first Guild Wars game they thought that the main problems were lack of persistent world, lack of progression and lack of jumping (which were, by the way, features of WoW).

It’s a whole different point of view to start designing games without preconceptions how it should be like. This is not the game for unique hipsters, it’s meant to be a contender among big names. Their dream is to show the world there can be successful MMO without monthly fee. Don’t take this message as offense, because I don’t mean it that way. I for one listened what the developers were saying and understood exactly what kind of game I was buying into. They wanted to move away from Magic the Gathering style that the first Guild Wars was about into world simulator.

Edit:
Adding to this post, I fully expect to see level cap increases, item power increases, new playable races and professions. Colin being coy around community doesn’t change the direction, but it may confuse some players into wishful thinking towards their own ideals.

Please do not increase the level cap.
First leveling in this game is not hard, it is fine the way it is. Increasing it is the same as bringing out new armour, your going to wreck your game and unbalance it. Please do not do that.

Second, if you just keep adding stats on then why not just let us unlock all the traits? Currently we have builds that use 70 triat points, if you keep adding to it 10 at a time or whatever then it gets out of hand. If I get given 10 more, why not 20? Why not just let me have the whole tree unlocked from the beginning of the game? Please do not do level cap increases or gear tread mills. There are other ways to keep people more interested in a game, for a longer period of time. Given that level cap increase and gear progression are just short term goals.

Elvahaduken.3609:

pls stfu and listen. This is an MMO. stat/gear progression is NEEDED to keep people wanting to play and hopefully for anet buy more diamonds There is a reason wow is so successful

If you want ZERO progression then pls go play a console game. kthx

Your position is extreme. People play many games for years that don’t have stat/gear progression.

Wow is indeed successful. Wow clones, on the other hand, struggle.

80 levels is 60 too many. No more, please.

There’s nothing wrong with a little vertical progression, just as long as it doesn’t completely overtake the focus of the endgame and toss us all on a monotonous gear treadmill. As someone once said in a similar thread: the difference between medicine and poison is the dose.

Honestly, aside from world map completion and a few laurel rewards, what does “horizontal progression” even mean, and how does it avoid grinding? Because from what I’m seeing, people are doing an AWFUL lot of grinding in dungeons, fractals, and in the never-ending quest for a Legendary weapon.

Vertical progression is about adding power. (e.g. more levels, better gear)

Horizontal progression is about adding options. (e.g more skills, new types of runes)

Grind has nothing to do with the topic as both systems can have large or small amounts of required grinding.

If they raise the level cap we are going to probably see the end of this title. Anything drastic happens right before the launch of Elder of Scrolls we will see it come even faster.

I’d love to see a level cap raise simply for access to new/fancier weapons/armor skins (think of the legendary armors and such that were hinted) and possibly either a few more trait points or new types of progression (think new “trait” points that you can only spend on a very wide variety of level 81+ minor stats or bonuses to help make your character more unique).

A level cap increase would also be the best way (imho) to introduce new areas but still keep everyone from just immediately flooding to the final areas to get to the new open world end game.

Orpheal.8263:

LOL, people posting they will leave GW2 if the cap gets increased are so ridiculous.
As if they would waste their accounts they have put in multiple hundreds of hours of effort inmto, or even real monney by buying gems, only to just throw the game and all this effort away, …

Yup, nobody ever quit an MMO before… or any hobby that they have invested time/money into for that matter…

Fyrebrand.4859:

Honestly, aside from world map completion and a few laurel rewards, what does “horizontal progression” even mean, and how does it avoid grinding? Because from what I’m seeing, people are doing an AWFUL lot of grinding in dungeons, fractals, and in the never-ending quest for a Legendary weapon.

Horizontal progression isn’t about preventing people from grinding. It is about making grind completely optional. My friend can grind for 300 hours to get a glowing sword while I do no grinding and look plain, but at the end of the day when a new dungeon is released we both play together on equal footing.

Vertical progression is an effort to chain people to the game. Some of course will be chained and others will prefer freedom.

The worry is not so much exotic needing to be replaced as much as it is ascended and legendary gear needing to be replaced. Has anyone even stooped to think about that?

Your level 80 legendary tough/vit/power is now nothing special your 100 gold ascended level 80 back piece, trinkets, armor & weapons are now just pointless skins as a level 100 blue item that cost 90 copper is better.

They intend to introduce a whole complement of ascended level 80 gear this year to have them all voided and replaced by level 100 gear at the end of the year with an expansion…

Now at 100g for each infused ascended item that’s not GOOD!

Because that’s the major issue to comment on at the moment….sigh

rootnode.9546:

Because that’s the major issue to comment on at the moment….sigh

Your thinking what I’m thinking mate

Bullshizle.2675:

rootnode.9546:

Because that’s the major issue to comment on at the moment….sigh

Your thinking what I’m thinking mate

Everyone is. And that’s the problem they tend to oversee over and over and over again.

Astralporing.1957:

Elvahaduken.3609:

pls stfu and listen. This is an MMO. stat/gear progression is NEEDED to keep people wanting to play and hopefully for anet buy more diamonds There is a reason wow is so successful

There’s a reason i don’t play WoW.

Hah! The game culture and those it attracted was a major reason for me to leave WoW and come to GW2. Vertical progression was an aspect of WoW that created many of the problems.

In regards to level cap, here’s a quote from a recent interview Colin did (Pay close attention to the underlined and bolded remarks):

Does that same assumption apply to any potentional expansion and the level cap? You’ve said the level cap went to 100. In my MMO history an increase in level means an increase in power and I’m not assuming that’s going to be case in Guild Wars 2 or…?

Colin: I don’t know at this point, we’re really not focused very much on that stuff. We’re really focused on just “how do we make the core live game we’ve got as strong as possible?” So we haven’t really looked at what the answers to those questions are. Certainly at some point we might raise the level cap and with that that could mean that your stats all go up another 10 levels, I think leveling is easy enough in Guild Wars ² that that’s not that big of a deal.

It was more of the “I’ve gone and got my exotic armor, I’ve gone to all the dungeons here, I leave the game for a few months and because of an expansion sudden I then have to go buy and farm all my gear again because the stats have gone up.”

Colin: I think in other games that’s super frustrating and I would hope we not do something along those lines. I think we can do things that are unique to Guild Wars ² that are different than that.

Source: See bottom of http://www.guildwars2guru.com/news/1034-qa-with-colin-johanson-part-ii/

TimeBomb:

Here’s hoping that Whoever this Colin guy is stick’s to what he has said!

A level cap of 100 could be doable with a gear cap of 80 with exception of Legendary armor & weapons being the top level 100 gear that are only there as long term goal would be awesome! Not many people would be able to get a full set of Legendary gear so it wouldn’t matter!

Too bad that this already went out of the window with the introduction of ascended eq.

Astralporing.1957:

Too bad that this already went out of the window with the introduction of ascended eq.

I don’t think anybody would be complaining if ascended was released at launch. Likewise, if rare was the highest tier at launch and exotic was released later, we’d get the same kittenstorm.

Martin Kerstein.3071:

To test pre-launch that our progression formula is working correctly, we used test items of higher levels. This is one of them. You can start breathing again.

Did you test all events, dungeons, fractal with this gear on 100lvl characters or higher?