Guild Wars 2

look like frooty pebbles

http://i.imgur.com/HswhpHz.png

hey they are having a meeting its called how to annoy others i think that every time i look at map and there more them one commander up. its like dudes calm down there isnt that much important stuff to warrant that many flags. done get me wrong i have my own comander tag but dont display it unless im really leading something which has been once in wvw when there was no other commander on any map

ricky markham.8173:

hey they are having a meeting its called how to annoy others i think that every time i look at map and there more them one commander up. its like dudes calm down there isnt that much important stuff to warrant that many flags. done get me wrong i have my own comander tag but dont display it unless im really leading something which has been once in wvw when there was no other commander on any map

hi thanks for the reply i think that’s one possibility but I also think that the original idea of a commander tag was to organize people and that the current implementation doesn’t achieve that for a number of reasons in fact i think it achieves the exact opposite, that is to say that the current implementation actually confuses people because the map marker, originally intended to be a functional indicator of where a commander was – with some in-game functionality and contextually assumed authority – in terms of the map and because most of the relevant maps (WvW borderlands, the main WvW maps, and now Edge of the Mists) are based on geography as a function of player movement speed – note how waypoints are restricted not only inherently but also as a function of upgrades and being under siege – that location was one of the singular most important advantages with regard to organization hence my assessment that the purpose and thus advantage of the commander tag was some inherent functionality whereas the realized use of the commander tag in the current meta is that of a vanity item because the tag itself appears not only on the minimap with the person’s name but also in the rendered game-world as a separate icon and that the old price of 100g quickly became irrelevant as inflation -mostly due to an individual player’s ability to amass gold through better gear and strategies that mitigated the main constraint of time as well as the second constraint of ‘difficulty’ – of which there is little in GW2 – allowed players to amass gold at a much higher rate than was likely orginally intended, although that doesn’t alleviate the problem that the game designers had intended to use the scarcity of gold – i.e. a high price – to ‘balance’ or somehow regulate the appearance of commander tags outside of their original purpose which is admittedly a common mistake, for example the EVE: Online designers had originally intended the ‘Titan’ class ships to be so expensive that an individual player would never be able to afford one and that the purchase, manufacture, and protection of such a vessel would be relegated to only the largest and most powerful of alliances, an assumption that would be thwarted by the increasing ability of individual players to amass ISK (the in-game currency) either by traditional means, the leverage of existing wealth (owing itself partially to the game’s persistence despite being ‘old’ by MMO standards) or by illicit means such as botting, all of which would render the initial notion that a ‘Titan’ would be scarce – a theory that would prove to be fatal as the aforementioned factors lead to multiple hundreds of the ships being produced to the end that they would themselves have their core functionality changed although i suppose that i’ve wandered somewhat off-track by talking about another game but the main idea that I was trying to get across was that you can’t use scarcity as a balancing factor at least not in the long run because as players develop new and more efficient ways of amassing whatever scarce resource is limiting the realization of the item in question the power of scarcity as a balancing factor is decreased.

Nerf wardrobe and home instances too!!!

*How do they ‘nerf’ something that has zero to do with game balance?

“Nerf” isn’t really the right word to use here. Usually that means a balance adjustment, and that’s just not…It doesn’t really make any sense here.

Hopefully they’ll add some options to deal with it. Personally, I’d like to see a drop-down in the options menu, with options like:

-Show All Commanders
-Show Squad Commander
-Show Guild Commanders
-Hide All Commanders

It’s a little bit tricky to solve, because if you restrict it to just the commander you’re following, it’s not very useful, but if you turn on all commanders, you see the ones who are actively commanding…swimming in a sea of commander tags. An option to show commanders in your guild is the best middle solution I’ve come up with, although I’d really like to hear some other ideas for it.

Blog Post

Moving forward, we’ll be evaluating future possibilities for recognizing experienced and prestigious commanders.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/big-changes-are-coming-to-the-commander-system/

This one’s also a puzzle, even if you figure out a way to identify useful commanders. They could do something visual to mark good commanders, like a special shape or effect, but that doesn’t solve the visual noise. I suppose they could implement some kind of commander ranking system, and then we could have an option to “hide commanders below [rank],” but that still has problems.

It’s interesting to think about.

Redenaz.8631:

“Nerf” isn’t really the right word to use here. Usually that means a balance adjustment, and that’s just not…It doesn’t really make any sense here.

Hopefully they’ll add some options to deal with it. Personally, I’d like to see a drop-down in the options menu, with options like:

-Show All Commanders
-Show Squad Commander
-Show Guild Commanders
-Hide All Commanders

Blog Post

Moving forward, we’ll be evaluating future possibilities for recognizing experienced and prestigious commanders.

https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/big-changes-are-coming-to-the-commander-system/

This one’s also a puzzle, even if you figure out a way to identify useful commanders. They could do something visual to mark good commanders, like a special shape or effect, but that doesn’t solve the visual noise. I suppose they could implement some kind of commander ranking system, and then we could have an option to “hide commanders below [rank],” but that still has problems.

It’s interesting to think about.

i like the ability to hide commander that you stated especially in places where there isnt needed unless your doing teq other dragon dont need more then one and thats to show where event is. i know where events are so i could hide all. so unless you need an organized group in pve i dont need to see a tag.

i dont like the thought about ranking commanders because people tend to be petty at times and will go out of their way to be petty. its sad cause one person disagrees with one comander they could get guild mates alliance mates to downvote maybe enough to classify then as un useful. i know the other day in wvw i had a commander who i thought was doing a great job but that one person keeep complaining so much in map chat about that comander i had to block that person and there was only one person. everyone didnt voice any opinion so im sure they were ok with commander. that one person is a big wvwer so im sure like all wvwer they belong to a wvw guild. they might have goten enough down votes from their guild to overide the positive votes they could have gotten from those following such commander

now if you state only the only one who can downvote or upvote a commander have to group with the person then im going to say what about those who follow but never group up. i do that alot so i wouldnt get any chance to vote on any commander although i wvw a lot

my thought is yes put an option button to see only certain commanders or none at all but leave out up voting or down voting

Watch all commander names.

Keep blacklist of commanders that do nothing

Use overwolf app to track active commanders.

I’m really loving the ’Where’s Waldo’ aspect to this.

Scenario: In Cursed Shores, a random big event is up/spawning.

Skittle#1093180 in map chat: <random big event is up/spawning on my tag>

/me spends 3-4 mins mousing over all the kittening tags on this particular map, finally locating Skittle #1093180 – WP to closest WP, haul kitten to get there in time. Mob/Event is already dead/despawned.

/me kicks the dirt in despair.

I honestly don’t mind the tags, I have one myself but have yet to utilize it. However, it’d be really nice if people could get their kittens in a basket and coordinate a bit better via map chat about tags and who’s leading what and anyone else who’s got a tag up just for bragging rights, do the decent thing and stop confusing people.

Suggestions such as Red tag = Guild Runs/Rushes – Yellow = Champ trains – Green = Drunk people, don’t bother following them – Purple = insert something useful here, you get my drift.

I edited out my own dang curse words you kittening filter! So ha!

Additionally; why not make it so that if a squadron that’s formed and isn’t at least 50% filled (insert arbitrary number of people needed for this) in a certain time period, the game does a /check function on it and disables the ability to put up another tag for 10 minutes. Unless you’re in a major town, where the likelihood of an event spawning is nil, but imagine all the people in LA scratching their heads wondering why there’s 100 tags up over by the MF.. New event, the Mystic Flush now randomly spawns a world boss when a certain combination of items are used.

Just food for thought.

Wanted to turn my mini-map off in Fields of Ruin Saturday. Lost count at 30 commander tags during a Champ take-down.

God forbid anyone in chat request some take them down…..“I paid good money and am going to use it all the time….” whut?

It was funny for about an hour….put the darn command tag down and step away from the game, sir….

Isn’t that picture one of a guild mission spot? Yes it is.

When you see something like that, it’s several guilds doing it all at the same time. Each party has 5 members and it’s useful for the leader of that party to put up a tag. It’s a lot easier for the party members to locate him, especially when they are doing bounties. It’s easier to say “bounty is at my tag” and be located by the other members of the guild. Or say “mission is at my tag,” for the new people on the guild who don’t know where it is.

It’s easy for people to sneer and say they are showing off and other remarks but here there is an actual use for these tags in this obvious situation.

When a commander tags up, he should have a short period of time(a minute or so?) to get at least 1 squad member, or his tag times out and goes down. People who just wanted a vanity tag should be allowed to get a refund, as a commander tag is not a vanity tag.(nor should it be used as one) This is just a rough solution. A better solution would be to qualify commanders somehow and classify them into 3 ranks:
unqualified – just paid for tag, nothing else
qualified – went through a tutorial,(and passed) no experience yet
veteran – passed tutorial, has commanded x number of events

For the commander tutorial, I would do something like the tutorials on how to command your heroes in GW1. Something simple that teaches you the basics. It would give you all the necessary information to pass a short quiz at the end, with pertinent questions:
How can a person join a squad?
Which of these is the Attack/Defend/Rally point?
How do you switch to squad chat?
etc…

For the Veteran commander rank, you’d either have to command so many missions, or there would be a rating system and you’d have to maintain a certain rating. This would be more complex and hard to implement, but probably would be better overall.

For commander icons, the vanity tag would be an entirely different shape and highly translucent. The commander icon would be a smaller or maybe translucent version of the veteran commander tag.

For map view/mini map view there should be an option to turn off display of vanity tags.

Astral Projections.7320:

Isn’t that picture one of a guild mission spot? Yes it is.

When you see something like that, it’s several guilds doing it all at the same time. Each party has 5 members and it’s useful for the leader of that party to put up a tag. It’s a lot easier for the party members to locate him, especially when they are doing bounties. It’s easier to say “bounty is at my tag” and be located by the other members of the guild. Or say “mission is at my tag,” for the new people on the guild who don’t know where it is.

It’s easy for people to sneer and say they are showing off and other remarks but here there is an actual use for these tags in this obvious situation.

i did a dragon event the other day i counted 15 commanders tag showing on the screen before i stopped counting. no dragon event needs that many tags seriously i dont care how many guild groups doing it. 90 percent are just showing off their tags and they dont need to do it its annoying. so yes when they do that im going to sneer and make remarks.

yes the tags are useful (especially in wvw) but when ive done the event enough and i know wheres its at and no event needs that many tags. i want to be able to turn off the tags on mini map. as for the who suggested that being able to turn of those who you classified i like that idea as long its my opinion what tags get turned off and no voting of commanders

ricky markham.8173:

Astral Projections.7320:

Isn’t that picture one of a guild mission spot? Yes it is.

When you see something like that, it’s several guilds doing it all at the same time. Each party has 5 members and it’s useful for the leader of that party to put up a tag. It’s a lot easier for the party members to locate him, especially when they are doing bounties. It’s easier to say “bounty is at my tag” and be located by the other members of the guild. Or say “mission is at my tag,” for the new people on the guild who don’t know where it is.

It’s easy for people to sneer and say they are showing off and other remarks but here there is an actual use for these tags in this obvious situation.

i did a dragon event the other day i counted 15 commanders tag showing on the screen before i stopped counting. no dragon event needs that many tags seriously i dont care how many guild groups doing it. 90 percent are just showing off their tags and they dont need to do it its annoying. so yes when they do that im going to sneer and make remarks.

yes the tags are useful (especially in wvw) but when ive done the event enough and i know wheres its at and no event needs that many tags. i want to be able to turn off the tags on mini map. as for the who suggested that being able to turn of those who you classified i like that idea as long its my opinion what tags get turned off and no voting of commanders

I was objecting specifically to the picture that OP showed. That picture is of a guild mission spot and while there may have been a couple of random tags in there, the other tags are up because those guilds asked those members to display the tags. If OP had shown numerous tags around LA or numerous tags around the Maw that would be different. But he showed an instance where the tags are being used for a specific purpose and then asked for a nerf of commanders, implying that all groups of tags are up for frivolous, vanity reasons.

One thing I will never understand EVER is why people feel so stressed, angered and aggressive towards anyone tagging up…don’t get me wrong, I tag up only when I must and extremely rarely, but personally, I don’t really see a problem if there are even 200000 tags around me. -except in WvW-
Thus, I can’t help but think that the hate comes from jealousy.

Silvia.9130:

One thing I will never understand EVER is why people feel so stressed, angered and aggressive towards anyone tagging up…don’t get me wrong, I tag up only when I must and extremely rarely, but personally, I don’t really see a problem if there are even 200000 tags around me. -except in WvW-
Thus, I can’t help but think that the hate comes from jealousy.

For me personally, all those Tags are usually just distracting, I wonder is there something going on I should rush to, other times they are just annoying like when I’m trying to WP but can’t because there are Tags completely covering the Wp with their multi color little triangles. I thought the whole purpose of tagging up was to Lead ppl in an event or help others when they need a hand in mapping or something like that. No jealousy involved just annoyance I would love the option to ignore all Tags and I hope Anet adds it soon.

Set a limit to how many people can use a commander tag at one given time per map,easy.

Just give me an option to turn off other players’ commander tags. I usually play solo or in small groups, and I don’t need or want them.

Silvia

One thing I will never understand EVER is why people feel so stressed, angered and aggressive towards anyone tagging up…don’t get me wrong, I tag up only when I must and extremely rarely, but personally, I don’t really see a problem if there are even 200000 tags around me. -except in WvW-
Thus, I can’t help but think that the hate comes from jealousy.

Why are you so stressed and angered about people being stressed and angered over others “tagging up?” I really don’t see a problem with me not seeing your commander tag, as it doesn’t affect you in any way, whereas your clutter gets automatically displayed on my screen, and I don’t get a choice.

Silvia.9130:

One thing I will never understand EVER is why people feel so stressed, angered and aggressive towards anyone tagging up…don’t get me wrong, I tag up only when I must and extremely rarely, but personally, I don’t really see a problem if there are even 200000 tags around me. -except in WvW-
Thus, I can’t help but think that the hate comes from jealousy.

Jealousy? Most people who played this game any decent amount of time could probably have afforded the 100 gold to buy it before the patch, as most of them did. I could have bought it but I am no leader and won’t ever wear it and I’m a very casual player. Kudos to you for not wearing yours unless your commanding though!
I don’t see a ton of rage over it in general.. just the request to be able to turn them off or turn off individuals tags that aren’t leading anything. Its a good system to have commanders but also Anet is putting too much faith in players to use it properly and clearly many they aren’t using it as it’s intended. This isn’t like a flashy legendary that you spend thousands of gold/ and or hours/ or both getting that should be flashy. It’s a bold colorful non-asthetically pleasing graphic that you can see everywhere on your map and on your screen anytime you’re around a lot of people, it takes a lot away from the art of the game.
That’s fine if it doesnt bother you personally, but you can’t just dismiss the reasons why it bothers other people and try to argue that everyone should be able to run around with commander tags. Defeats the purpose of it doesnt it if everyone did that? There’s reasons why most don’t.. and the ones who do let me turn them off.

Solitaire.3680:

Silvia.9130:

One thing I will never understand EVER is why people feel so stressed, angered and aggressive towards anyone tagging up…don’t get me wrong, I tag up only when I must and extremely rarely, but personally, I don’t really see a problem if there are even 200000 tags around me. -except in WvW-
Thus, I can’t help but think that the hate comes from jealousy.

Jealousy? Most people who played this game any decent amount of time could probably have afforded the 100 gold to buy it before the patch, as most of them did. I could have bought it but I am no leader and won’t ever wear it and I’m a very casual player. Kudos to you for not wearing yours unless your commanding though!
I don’t see a ton of rage over it in general.. just the request to be able to turn them off or turn off individuals tags that aren’t leading anything. Its a good system to have commanders but also Anet is putting too much faith in players to use it properly and clearly many they aren’t using it as it’s intended. This isn’t like a flashy legendary that you spend thousands of gold/ and or hours/ or both getting that should be flashy. It’s a bold colorful non-asthetically pleasing graphic that you can see everywhere on your map and on your screen anytime you’re around a lot of people, it takes a lot away from the art of the game.
That’s fine if it doesnt bother you personally, but you can’t just dismiss the reasons why it bothers other people and try to argue that everyone should be able to run around with commander tags. Defeats the purpose of it doesnt it if everyone did that? There’s reasons why most don’t.. and the ones who do let me turn them off.

Well said.

I think people just enjoy their colored tags too much for the time being. Its childish, and i would suspect that this color-tag-fever will die down in a few weeks, as it doesnt give anything to the game or the player who uses it. Its like a lame miniature thats supposed to be new and unique but so many other people have it that it should soon be meaningless, unless used as it was meant to be used, for commanding.

If its still a problem in the middle of October though with no noticable reduction, then write off a -1 for my faith in humanity…

It can be annoying in some specific cases where it obscures things like node markers, or when you’re trying to locate your guildie/friend’s specific tag inside the mess of other tags.

“Guys, look to see if my tag is there to tell if you’re in the right OF.”
“Hang on, I’m looking to see if you’re there amidst the cluster of 20 other tags…”

So, with that in mind, I do agree that greater customisation options need to be made available regarding tags. Probably a general option that says:

“Display Commander Tags on the minimap” – active by default

If this option is active, then there are several more sub-options beneath it:

- Show all Commander tags
- Show Commander tags from my Guild
- Show Commander tags from my Squad
- Show Commander tags in my Party

So if you want to hide all Commander tags, just leave the main option disabled. If you don’t want to see all Commander tags, but only the ones from your guild etc., disable the first sub-option, and enable the other relevant options.

Astral Projections.7320:

ricky markham.8173:

Astral Projections.7320:

Isn’t that picture one of a guild mission spot? Yes it is.

When you see something like that, it’s several guilds doing it all at the same time. Each party has 5 members and it’s useful for the leader of that party to put up a tag. It’s a lot easier for the party members to locate him, especially when they are doing bounties. It’s easier to say “bounty is at my tag” and be located by the other members of the guild. Or say “mission is at my tag,” for the new people on the guild who don’t know where it is.

It’s easy for people to sneer and say they are showing off and other remarks but here there is an actual use for these tags in this obvious situation.

i did a dragon event the other day i counted 15 commanders tag showing on the screen before i stopped counting. no dragon event needs that many tags seriously i dont care how many guild groups doing it. 90 percent are just showing off their tags and they dont need to do it its annoying. so yes when they do that im going to sneer and make remarks.

yes the tags are useful (especially in wvw) but when ive done the event enough and i know wheres its at and no event needs that many tags. i want to be able to turn off the tags on mini map. as for the who suggested that being able to turn of those who you classified i like that idea as long its my opinion what tags get turned off and no voting of commanders

I was objecting specifically to the picture that OP showed. That picture is of a guild mission spot and while there may have been a couple of random tags in there, the other tags are up because those guilds asked those members to display the tags. If OP had shown numerous tags around LA or numerous tags around the Maw that would be different. But he showed an instance where the tags are being used for a specific purpose and then asked for a nerf of commanders, implying that all groups of tags are up for frivolous, vanity reasons.

i could have shown you almost the same scenaro anywhere else in the world at times ive seen as many tags as there was there and they werent needed. it might have been a guild event but any dragon gets half that number at least and a couple ive seen more then pictured there. im telling you also they werent needed there either

ctags are fine the way they are… why even pay attention to them in pve? I tag up in pve just to tag up.

just give obtion to disable all Comander Tags

when i wanna follow an comander i can activate it and join his squad

simple

Nilgoow.1037:

look like frooty pebbles

http://i.imgur.com/HswhpHz.png

Yes please! More nerfs because thats what this game needs! Moar nerfs everywhere! Nerf drops too make more whites and greens drop while you’re at it! If you don’t like all the commanders on one map then join one of their squads and you’ll only see one, deal with it don’t force people to play the way you want them to. Stop it i am sick of these posts because anet actually listens to them and then ends up breaking stuff in the game.

No.

The only thing needed when it comes to that is being able to hide tags by blocking the owner.

Nothing else.

1. That’s a guildmission-spot. They will leave as soon as the mission there is over. They probably tagged up just for fun.

2. If you are annoyed by so many tags, just join the squad of one of them and you’ll only see one tag on the whole map. Problem solved.

3. If you want to follow a specific commander but can’t find his tag due to so many active tags, type “/squadjoin nameofcommander”… this way you’ll instantly only see his tag on the map. Leaving a squad can be done with “/squadleave nameofcommander”.

See, there’s actually not really any problem here. Just use the options which the game already provides.

ricky markham.8173:

i could have shown you almost the same scenaro anywhere else in the world at times ive seen as many tags as there was there and they werent needed.

Maybe you could, but what you did show was mostly legitimate tag use. This clearly shows that you are overreacting. Calm down, take a deep breath. Those tags are not hurting you. Besides, the vanity tag use is already going slowly out of fashion – most of those will disappear in the next week ot two.

I don’t even pay attention to tags in PvE.

Right, let’s nerf the skittle tags!!!. See the rainbow, touch the rainbow.

Astralporing.1957:

ricky markham.8173:

i could have shown you almost the same scenaro anywhere else in the world at times ive seen as many tags as there was there and they werent needed.

Maybe you could, but what you did show was mostly legitimate tag use. This clearly shows that you are overreacting. Calm down, take a deep breath. Those tags are not hurting you. Besides, the vanity tag use is already going slowly out of fashion – most of those will disappear in the next week ot two.

all im stating id like an option to hide the tags and yes they do bother me everytime i open the map and see all them and looking for something that i want to tag for chat and cant cause there too many tags in area that i cant tag the waypoint ot poi

Saturn.6591:

1. That’s a guildmission-spot. They will leave as soon as the mission there is over. They probably tagged up just for fun.

2. If you are annoyed by so many tags, just join the squad of one of them and you’ll only see one tag on the whole map. Problem solved.

3. If you want to follow a specific commander but can’t find his tag due to so many active tags, type “/squadjoin nameofcommander”… this way you’ll instantly only see his tag on the map. Leaving a squad can be done with “/squadleave nameofcommander”.

See, there’s actually not really any problem here. Just use the options which the game already provides.

why should i be forced to join someones squad just to make the tags go away. i follow tags in wvw but hardly ever join their squads mainly im on ts so i dont see reason to join their group. i just want an option to turn of the tag if dont want to see them cluttering up my map

Sokia.3710:

I don’t even pay attention to tags in PvE.

i try not too i see no reason for them in pve. i find it irritating when im at a dragon event and go to the map to send to my friend who messaged me in chat asking where i am

MithranArkanere.8957:

No.

The only thing needed when it comes to that is being able to hide tags by blocking the owner.

Nothing else.

i agree with that

Commander tags are now meaningless. We should implement something else for 500g maybe a sword tag or a shield tag