Guild Wars 2

so I just killed the champion boar in queensdale and only got 245exp, 3 karma and 2 copper…what’s up with that? contribution level was gold.

Most likely it’s diminishing returns at work. How long have you been killing said Boar without doing something on a different character?

Damage threshold for getting credit in events are not the same as thresholds for getting credit for drops.

what Lindbur said.

it’s all about thresholds.

i have sometimes got a bronze contribution level and gained an exotic bag.

also, the xp-karma-money numbers are very low, this means you barely clipped boar even though you got gold contribution.

when you do the boar enough on the same character you can tell if youre getting your regular reward or not and work it out from there.

You didn’t kill a champion – you zerged a champion unless you were playing in very off hours. It kills me how people think they need a reward for pressing 1 and watching netflix.

That’s diminishing returns from mindlessly running in a circle and getting all the rewards for none of the work.

what level was OP when he get that reward/event medal ?

diminishing returns. More you kill something over and over again in a short time the less your going to receive. Its an anti bot/camper device. Just be thankful its ONLY effecting the event reward and not the boar drops.

For all those saying this is Diminishing Returns…

It Isn’t.

You can do Troll>Bandit>Oak>Spider>Boar>(Wasp) all day long if you want to and you will get zero DR.

You obviously dont do the Queensdale Train.

The reason the OP didnt get a Bag was because of the reasons that Lindbur and I stated.

I have personally killed that Boar over 3000 times, so i think i know more than a little about this particular subject.

this thread needs closing now.

Stop spreading misinformation here guys.

DR is a fact and influences your medal reward.

It does NOT impact your ability to get champion loot.

There is a damage threshold that you must cross in order to get credit. This theshold is dynamic and depends on the damage threshold of others as well, so you are competing for loot against others.

For example, lets say the damage threshold requires you to do 10% of the bosses health. If you only do 9 %, you get no loot.

Parties also matter since the threshold counts the party as a whole.

Mimizu.7340:

For all those saying this is Diminishing Returns…

It Isn’t.

You can do Troll>Bandit>Oak>Spider>Boar>(Wasp) all day long if you want to and you will get zero DR.

You obviously dont do the Queensdale Train.

The reason the OP didnt get a Bag was because of the reasons that Lindbur and I stated.

I have personally killed that Boar over 3000 times, so i think i know more than a little about this particular subject.

this thread needs closing now.

Sorry, you’re wrong. It was diminishing returns like the other guys said. It was because i was afk at boar for a while and came back to kill it 3 times in a row, causing diminishing returns. Other guys were right.

bloodletting wolf.2837:

You didn’t kill a champion – you zerged a champion unless you were playing in very off hours. It kills me how people think they need a reward for pressing 1 and watching netflix.

Is that the Player’s fault or the game’s design?

Your level of insensitivity is rather high as he may have raced to the event to get into it and lost out due to the zerg (no fault of his own other than being in the wrong spot at the wrong time).

The game sends mixed messages with the inconsistency between loot threshold, XP threshold, and event threshold. Personally I cannot get credit for the Dragon Shaman’s guards in the Maw event. I tag them and tag them hard — enough to get XP and loot drops, but never enough to get the event medal.

you cannot just hit F when the badge pops- sometimes you actually have to go over to the champ and then hit F
just saying

and no it is not DR.

the only time I have not got loot at a champ is if I get a bronze and I am on a low level character- in other word I raced in as he went down :p

Vol, “Parties also matter since the threshold counts the party as a whole.”

Not trying to troll here, but is there data to support that? I rarely am in a party. Been in many a large zerg. Maybe one in 30+ champs I will not receive the bag/box. I have tested with running in a group before and did not notice a difference.
I hear this comment a lot, and was just curious where the data is that supports it.

Nausiation.1469:

Mimizu.7340:

For all those saying this is Diminishing Returns…

It Isn’t.

You can do Troll>Bandit>Oak>Spider>Boar>(Wasp) all day long if you want to and you will get zero DR.

You obviously dont do the Queensdale Train.

The reason the OP didnt get a Bag was because of the reasons that Lindbur and I stated.

I have personally killed that Boar over 3000 times, so i think i know more than a little about this particular subject.

this thread needs closing now.

Sorry, you’re wrong. It was diminishing returns like the other guys said. It was because i was afk at boar for a while and came back to kill it 3 times in a row, causing diminishing returns. Other guys were right.

Sorry, but you and others are wrong. You don’t get DR just cause you afk for awhile and then kill it 3 times in a row.

And this issue isn’t even about DR to begin with. It’s about tagging and damage thresholds.

Why do you think people don’t get any loot when running metaevent trains? It’s cause people don’t do enough damage for loot credit.

danielrjones.8759:

Vol, “Parties also matter since the threshold counts the party as a whole.”

Not trying to troll here, but is there data to support that? I rarely am in a party. Been in many a large zerg. Maybe one in 30+ champs I will not receive the bag/box. I have tested with running in a group before and did not notice a difference.
I hear this comment a lot, and was just curious where the data is that supports it.

There is no data to support it, it’s just from experience farming over 3000 hours in this game. Anet will never release information on how DR works as that is counter intuitive for it’s purpose.

Being in a party alone won’t guarantee you loot. For one, everyone has to be doing their part with dealing DPS. For example, if I was a guardian in a party against Dwayna, I would not be using sceptre, I would be using GS so that it helps push the party up past the threshold. A lot of other players party up and they may even do more DPS than you, pushing you outside of the threshold.

I’m not sure why everyone is arguing about loot. The OP didn’t mention that he got, or didn’t get, loot. Just the event reward. Which can definitely be affected by DR. I have come across it before, doing the champ train. As soon as I changed characters, I resolved the issue. XP, Karma, and gold back up to normal.

Edit: Meant to type gold rather than loot. We aren’t discussing Loot rewards, but Event rewards here.

Oh, there is no doubt in my mind DR exist for farming in general, I was more interested in any data that supports being in a party increases overall damage threshold. Or any data that supports being in a party (all doing their part) increases amount of loot. And likewise I have over 3k hours prefer not so say how much as it just indicates my sad existence.
I just haven’t noticed any difference when in a party, yet I hear that comment almost everyday.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

I’m not sure why everyone is arguing about loot. The OP didn’t mention that he got, or didn’t get, loot. Just the event reward. Which can definitely be affected by DR. I have come across it before, doing the champ train. As soon as I changed characters, I resolved the issue. XP, Karma, and loot back up to normal.

My assumption from reading the title was that he didn’t get any reward, i.e. champ box despite the medal credit.

But looking over it, I suppose he was talking about the disparity between the xp/karma/coin reward not corresponding properly with the medal. It is DR.

there is no DR at work here.

i often stand at Boar for hours at a time, just chatting and waiting for the train to do its circuit.

I can do Boar multiple times (try 30 or more) whilst stood there and i get zero DR.

zero DR.

zero.

D.

R.

it’s all about the two distinct and seperate thresholds:

one threshold determines your contribution level the other determines your reward.

as i said earlier, going by the numbers on your screenshot, you did hardly any damage and so did not get a reward, regardless of contribution level.

Mimizu.7340:

there is no DR at work here.

i often stand at Boar for hours at a time, just chatting and waiting for the train to do its circuit.

I can do Boar multiple times (try 30 or more) whilst stood there and i get zero DR.

zero DR.

zero.

D.

R.

it’s all about the two distinct and seperate thresholds:

one threshold determines your contribution level the other determines your reward.

as i said earlier, going by the numbers on your screenshot, you did hardly any damage and so did not get a reward, regardless of contribution level.

DR.

i do the train all the time and get full rewards. The one time I did boar three times i did not get full rewards.

DR.

Nausiation.1469:

Mimizu.7340:

there is no DR at work here.

i often stand at Boar for hours at a time, just chatting and waiting for the train to do its circuit.

I can do Boar multiple times (try 30 or more) whilst stood there and i get zero DR.

zero DR.

zero.

D.

R.

it’s all about the two distinct and seperate thresholds:

one threshold determines your contribution level the other determines your reward.

as i said earlier, going by the numbers on your screenshot, you did hardly any damage and so did not get a reward, regardless of contribution level.

DR.

i do the train all the time and get full rewards. The one time I did boar three times i did not get full rewards.

DR.

okay, youre a brickwall and i give up.

btw, i am standing at boar right now and getting no DR.

Mimizu.7340:

Nausiation.1469:

Mimizu.7340:

there is no DR at work here.

i often stand at Boar for hours at a time, just chatting and waiting for the train to do its circuit.

I can do Boar multiple times (try 30 or more) whilst stood there and i get zero DR.

zero DR.

zero.

D.

R.

it’s all about the two distinct and seperate thresholds:

one threshold determines your contribution level the other determines your reward.

as i said earlier, going by the numbers on your screenshot, you did hardly any damage and so did not get a reward, regardless of contribution level.

DR.

i do the train all the time and get full rewards. The one time I did boar three times i did not get full rewards.

DR.

okay, youre a brickwall and i give up.

btw, i am standing at boar right now and getting no DR.

Well your explanation of me “not doing enough damage” is clearly not valid because I attacked for the full duration and have always done enough damage. Oh well, guess we’ll never know unless a dev tells us.

Morrigan.2809:

you cannot just hit F when the badge pops- sometimes you actually have to go over to the champ and then hit F
just saying

and no it is not DR.

the only time I have not got loot at a champ is if I get a bronze and I am on a low level character- in other word I raced in as he went down :p

or enable aoe looting

The funniest part of this thread was someone bragging he does Queensdale champ trains.

OK guys I think we need some clarification by OP.

What do you mean by no reward? You got no droppable loot? No champ box?

Or by no reward do you mean you got insufficient exp, karma and coin despite getting a gold medal?

Vol.7601:

OK guys I think we need some clarification by OP.

What do you mean by no reward? You got no droppable loot? No champ box?

Or by no reward do you mean you got insufficient exp, karma and coin despite getting a gold medal?

I DID get loot off the body, I got the bag like always. I did NOT get the normal amount of rewards for completing the evenr, as seen in the picture. I don’t rememer how much exp and karma you usually get but it is much more than what I recieved.

Nausiation.1469:

Vol.7601:

OK guys I think we need some clarification by OP.

What do you mean by no reward? You got no droppable loot? No champ box?

Or by no reward do you mean you got insufficient exp, karma and coin despite getting a gold medal?

I DID get loot off the body, I got the bag like always. I did NOT get the normal amount of rewards for completing the evenr, as seen in the picture. I don’t rememer how much exp and karma you usually get but it is much more than what I recieved.

As some of us said, and OP affirmed, it’s DR raising it’s unpopular head. Nothing about loot.

‘Dynamic Events use a DR system in order to limit players from excessively farming one area. DR is character specific, and switching between characters will bypass the effects of DR. DR is not event specific, but rather area specific. It is designed to prevent congestion in one particular map, and to discourage illegal activities such as botting. DR triggers after the player passes a set limit of events, usually after a player has cycled through events on a map for over three hours. Potential rewards are reduced dramatically right after the player bypasses the limit.’

Affected: Coin, Karma, Experience

Nausiation.1469:

Vol.7601:

OK guys I think we need some clarification by OP.

What do you mean by no reward? You got no droppable loot? No champ box?

Or by no reward do you mean you got insufficient exp, karma and coin despite getting a gold medal?

I DID get loot off the body, I got the bag like always. I did NOT get the normal amount of rewards for completing the evenr, as seen in the picture. I don’t rememer how much exp and karma you usually get but it is much more than what I recieved.

Yes, that is DR. You get it after you have done the same event X number of times. Doesn’t matter if you AFK’d or not. I’m unsure if that can be reset or if you have to wait X hours.