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Posted by: Deimos Tel Arin.7391

Deimos Tel Arin.7391

from here:
http://dulfy.net/2013/09/26/gw2-eurogamer-expo-livestream-notes/

the last line:
Q: I got bored with a lot of the content coming out, any plans to raise level caps/expansions?

A: Features you would find in an xpac are stuff we can release with Living World teams. Nothing is off the table – xpac, new playable races/level caps etc.

“Nothing is off the table – xpac, new playable races/level caps etc. "
what does that mean?

what does it mean about level caps being not off the table?

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Posted by: Requiem.8769

Requiem.8769

Nothing. Edit: As in, that statement means absolutely nothing. It’s just a way of responding without confirming or denying, which means that there are probably no current plans whatsoever.

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Posted by: Deimos Tel Arin.7391

Deimos Tel Arin.7391

Nothing.

it gotta mean something!

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Deimos Tel Arin.7391

so they will not confirm there will be level caps or no level caps etc?

for example,

1. we will raise level caps.
2. we will not raise level caps.

its neither?

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Posted by: Requiem.8769

Requiem.8769

so they will not confirm there will be level caps or no level caps etc?

for example,

1. we will raise level caps.
2. we will not raise level caps.

its neither?

I would assume it means they have no plans for it. Yet, at the same time, they don’t want to exclude the possibility, if they find out players want it. Thus, it’s “on the table”; as in, definitely not completely impossible.

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Posted by: ShadowPuppet.3746

ShadowPuppet.3746

so they will not confirm there will be level caps or no level caps etc?

for example,

1. we will raise level caps.
2. we will not raise level caps.

its neither?

Basically they are taking a stance of non committal to a specific position. It is a common tactic used in Public Relations in every sector you can conceive of and is not specific to just games or even Anet specifically. The officials in Washington DC often use this tactic so that later they can practice plausible deniability if something goes awry. Sound familiar?

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Posted by: Deimos Tel Arin.7391

Deimos Tel Arin.7391

so they will not confirm there will be level caps or no level caps etc?

for example,

1. we will raise level caps.
2. we will not raise level caps.

its neither?

I would assume it means they have no plans for it. Yet, at the same time, they don’t want to exclude the possibility, if they find out players want it. Thus, it’s “on the table”; as in, definitely not completely impossible.

ooo i see. thanks!

hmmm well i dun want a level cap increase.
hopefully the rest of the players feel the same.

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Posted by: Tagus Eleuthera.7305

Tagus Eleuthera.7305

Well, my take on it is this. Imagine that there’s a table. Then imagine that everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, is on that table. That’s what it means.

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Posted by: Deimos Tel Arin.7391

Deimos Tel Arin.7391

^ah i see.

well, i sure hope level cap is off the table.

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Posted by: IndigoSundown.5419

IndigoSundown.5419

Nothing.

it gotta mean something!

It’s just ANet hedging its statements. Classic PR Speak. It’s like the government saying, “We can neither confirm nor deny…”

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Posted by: Lord Kuru.3685

Lord Kuru.3685

It means they are intending to raise the level cap but are afraid to say so because if players knew right now that the grind that they’re putting into Ascended weapons and (soon to be) Ascended armor will have to be repeated again for higher level gear, many would quit immediately.

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Posted by: Morrigan.2809

Morrigan.2809

It is saying we can’t take a stand at the risk of offending anyone so we will attempt to please everyone.
Meaning they won’t commit to one direction over another and are hedging their bets.

Honestly, just coming out and saying what you are actually planning in an honest manner with less PR speak would make a lot of people feel a whole lot better about your game because currently many of us feel taken for a ride a bit.

As good as the game is, your communication strategy really needs work.

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Posted by: Meglobob.8620

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nothing is off the table? what does it mean?

They have this HUGE and I mean HUGE oak table at Anet HQ and its piled with a mountain of stuff, that’s ‘on the table’. You should see it, its like a 8th wonder of the world. They are opening it up as a tourist site soon, so gamers from all around the world can marvel at the table of endless things…

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Posted by: Galen Grey.4709

Galen Grey.4709

Well sounded to me like he misunderstood the question a bit, he thought it was primarily about the expansion rather then a raised level cap.

But anyhow its an expected answer, they’re not taking the game in a single direction, they’re adapting to their player wants/needs. As with anything else thats both good and bad I guess. In a way its not good to commit to a specific course and not deviate no matter the circumstance. For example they’ve been saying they plan to increase the level cap since at least 2010 but hopefully community feedback will make them change their minds on that fingers crossed Of course it has its bad as well because sometimes the direction is great and the new course might be less then ideal for some players.

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Posted by: Tagus Eleuthera.7305

Tagus Eleuthera.7305

That would have to be a pretty cluttered table. I heard the way it originated was, Colin was sitting at the table eating lunch. He gets up to leave without throwing out his trash. The rest of the dev team is sitting there, and Mike Z goes, “Hey Colin, could you clean up your garbage? Everybody’s getting tired of you leaving your stuff here every day.” Colin just looks him dead in the eyes and says, “Mike…… NOTHING comes off the table.” And then he just walks out into the sunset.

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Posted by: Onshidesigns.1069

Onshidesigns.1069

He explained on another video that as old people leave and new ones take their place. Different decisions may be made if there is a different management.

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Posted by: tigirius.9014

tigirius.9014

It means that if it means more profitability they’ll do anything but we’re not talking directly about it at this time.

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Posted by: marnick.4305

marnick.4305

It means you, personally, are on the table. When something is discussed, they’ll discuss about all possible angles including, but not limited to tigirius, me, vayne, OP, ascended tier 5, world peace, third world famines, aids pandemic and lunar landing hoaxes.

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Posted by: haviz.1340

haviz.1340

It means they have no clue what to do next.

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Posted by: locoman.1974

locoman.1974

It means they have a really big table, actually all of the Anet offices are on top of the table.

More seriously, it means:
a) We’re not doing anything about it yet, but might or might not in the future, we don’t know
b) We’re doing something about it, but not sure it’ll work so we won’t talk about it for now
c) We’re doing something and it’s going to be on live, but we don’t want to talk about it for now (it may take longer than we think or any other reason)
d) We won’t be doing anything about it but we don’t want to say it outright because of bad press.

Use your RNG generator of choice and pick which one applies to each question..

It’s a pile of Elonian protection magic, mixed with a little monk training,
wrapped up in some crazy ritualist hoo-ha from Cantha.
A real grab bag of ‘you can’t hurt me. They’re called Guardians.

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Posted by: Windu The Forbidden One.6045

Windu The Forbidden One.6045

It’s a typical corporate/PR response.

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Posted by: Lothirieth.3408

Lothirieth.3408

I dunno who was giving those answers, but Colin is very good at answering with non-answers. ‘Not off the table’, ’we’re listening’, ’we’re considering’, ’we’re looking at’, etc etc.. it’s all a way to respond without giving an actual answer. :P It all means that they may or may not do something about x at some unknown point in time.

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Posted by: LanfearShadowflame.3189

LanfearShadowflame.3189

“Not off the table” means that they are still options they are considering. Expansions, level raise, etc are not things they have ruled out at this time, they are “still on the table” – ie still being discussed, still viable, etc. Its an indirect way of saying nothings been ruled at this time without making any commits to doing, or not doing something.

Don’t look at me like that. Whatever you’ve heard, it’s probably not true.

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Posted by: Rouven.7409

Rouven.7409

I’ve seen such a nice gif recently that showcases things being on the table and then wiped off quite nicely. Going to try to find it…

Edit: An older one but same idea *lol
https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/gw2/Is-GW2-moving-away-from-PvE/first#post2352077

“Whose Kitten is this?” – “It’s a Charr baby.”
“Whose Charr is this?”- “Ted’s.”
“Who’s Ted?”- “Ted’s dead, baby. Ted’s dead.”

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Posted by: Gibson.4036

Gibson.4036

It means the table legs shattered.

It means we passed the little town of Bold Vision For a New Kind of MMORPG several miles back and are now stuck in stop and go traffic trying to figure out how to get the GPS online while trying random off-ramps in hopes one will get us to Everybody’s Happy Street in the shining city of WoW-Killer.

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Posted by: timmyf.1490

timmyf.1490

Here’s what it means: “Because you kittens keep trying to hold us to statements we made three years ago, everything we say must be true now and forever. Right now we have no interest in raising the level cap, but we can’t say that in case we make that decision I’m three years and all you kittens QQ over it.”

This is why we can’t have nice things.

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Posted by: Randulf.7614

Randulf.7614

People jump on what they say and take it as gospel and then rant at Anet about broken promises. So they are deliberately being vague so as not to cause themselves issues down the line. When they say " we probably wont", many interpret that as a “defintely 100% wont”, which is of course utterly wrong. I suspect when/if the more vocal side of the community calm themselves somewhat, they will become less reticent to communicate their plans in detail.

As for level cap, well there is already a sep thread discussing that in the genereal discussion subforum. Personally I wouldn’t expect (or want) to see it happen.

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Posted by: Jski.6180

Jski.6180

I want to see them use “when its done” i think that the best response!

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Posted by: Gibson.4036

Gibson.4036

I suspect when/if the more vocal side of the community calm themselves somewhat, they will become less reticent to communicate their plans in detail.

I doubt it.

IMO, this has very little to do with the community and our forum habits. Back before there was an official forum, there was GW2Guru, where ANet read community feedback and even had a presence with developers talking back to us. People were crazy vocal back then, dissecting every new announcement about development of the game and usually providing heavy criticism of every little choice.

And yet, ANet still happily continued making bold statements about what they wanted the game to be.

I don’t think it’s the community that’s changed. What’s changed, is that excited developers are happy to wax poetic about their dreams when they are designing, and the money people are happy to let them when everything’s up in the air. Then a game launches, and a revenue stream kicks in, and it’s time to get business like. Suddenly supervisors are taking designers aside to have private conversations about not saying too much in public.

I saw this happen in Allods Online. Like many pure F2P games it had a ridiculously long “beta” that was really a soft launch. People were gaga over how grind-free it was at the beginning. It didn’t have the hallmarks of a bad F2P game. Then, several months in, they implemented the cash shop. After a brief honeymoon period, a new level cap was introduced with terrible grind just to get the next few levels past the old cap. Everything went drastically downhill. You could see the work of game designers trying to make a great game in the early months. In later months, the game was clearly being influenced by the people who watch the bottom line.

I don’t think the Manifesto consists of lies at all. I think it is a picture of enthusiastic game designers who really want to make the game they want to play, being allowed to gush about their vision while the practical people stand quietly back and let them, knowing it is great PR.

Then the game launches, and it’s a very different story.

I don’t do much work in the game industry, but I’ve experienced this very thing as an artist in other entertainment industries. It’s worth noting that I have a lot of respect for the people who do the producer kind of work. It’s not the kind of thing I’m good at, and would hate doing. Someone has to make sure the books balance at the end of the day, and I’m glad someone else has that job so I can do my crazy dreaming, even if it occasionally has to be tempered by budgets and audience retention.

Still, I do think it would be healthy for the game and the community if we could hear a restating of the vision for this game as it now has evolved. We need a new Manifesto, not to set up unrealistic expectations, but to give us the big picture of what ArenaNet wants the game to be. So much communication from them at this point is focused on details. Features they want to implement, things that they know needs fixing. We’ve been talking about the trees for a while now, but haven’t stepped back to look at the forest for a good long time.

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Posted by: Necrochild.1497

Necrochild.1497

It means that they have a very cluttered table.

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Posted by: lordkrall.7241

lordkrall.7241

They are simply not telling us stuff in absolutes anymore due to the extreme kittenstorm that happens every single time a statement is made and something changes several years later.

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Posted by: Gibson.4036

Gibson.4036

It means the Chinese restaurant is willing to serve Americanized Chinese food no one actually eats in China as well as more authentic dishes that aren’t listed on their menu if you know to ask for them. They’ll also serve sushi, even though it’s from an entirely different country, not to mention steak and fries for the family member that lost the vote on where to have dinner and macaroni and cheese for the kids.

And for good measure, there will be a vaguely pizza-like thing on the buffet, because, hey, who doesn’t like pizza? And of course there will be ice cream and fudge sauce for dessert.

No one will claim it’s a great restaurant, but hopefully they’ll leave with a nice over-full feeling and a craving for MSG that will bring them back again.

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Posted by: Yumiko Ishida.3769

Yumiko Ishida.3769

I want a level cap! I got to 80 too fast and gear grinding is boring.

I rather level grind than gear grind any day!

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Posted by: Gibson.4036

Gibson.4036

I want a level cap! I got to 80 too fast and gear grinding is boring.

I rather level grind than gear grind any day!

What a breath of fresh common sense. I needed that.

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Posted by: Antara.3189

Antara.3189

They are simply not telling us stuff in absolutes anymore due to the extreme kittenstorm that happens every single time a statement is made and something changes several years later.

Well, sorry to break it to you, but they always like to tell people, It’s a game for the players, and they want the players to determine the future.

That means players are going to tell you how they fell about aspects of the game. Even worse is when they make a statement like the above, but then fail to tell the players what their plans are.

If you’re someone who likes to be productive, then you will probably have a lot of goals, ideas, and things you would like to accomplish. Which is all good and well, but if you just think about all the things you want to do, you end up with a ton of goals and ideas, but never buckle down and narrow your sights on knocking them out.

The interview was a great marketing ploy, it doesn’t limit any ideas, but also doesn’t give anyone any real idea what they have in mind.

The one thing I know they are doing and will continue to do, is Living Story, they love the idea and are sticking to it. Not everyone loves it, but regardless they are saying “Hey, this is what we think is best, and this is our intentions with the story”. Straight forward, it might break hearts at first, but it’s better than smoke screens and leading someone on.

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Posted by: Eridani.8317

Eridani.8317

so they will not confirm there will be level caps or no level caps etc?

for example,

1. we will raise level caps.
2. we will not raise level caps.

its neither?

Schrodinger’s Cat.

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Posted by: timmyf.1490

timmyf.1490

Schrodinger’s Cap.

Fixed that for you.

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Posted by: Erick Alastor.3917

Erick Alastor.3917

I doubt it.
IMO, this has very little to do with the community and our forum habits…

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This is what ANet was supposed to be
7:48 if it doesn’t load correctly.

“Otherwise, your MMO becomes all about grinding to get the best gear. We don’t make grindy games.”
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Posted by: IndigoSundown.5419

IndigoSundown.5419

I want a level cap! I got to 80 too fast and gear grinding is boring.

I rather level grind than gear grind any day!

What a breath of fresh common sense. I needed that.

Except that a cap increase is unlikely to come out without higher level gear being added…

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Posted by: danbuter.2314

danbuter.2314

Raising the level cap is an absolutely horrible idea.

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Posted by: Calae.1738

Calae.1738

Game developers in charge of PR are like politicians. They have to be careful to not actually say anything. You can’t say yes and you can’t say no.

It’s always amusing to hear them talk.

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Posted by: Fungalfoot.7213

Fungalfoot.7213

It means they have no real vision for the future of the game.

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Posted by: Calae.1738

Calae.1738

It means they have no real vision for the future of the game.

Yes that too. Complete lack of vision. Which probably means they’ll copy other people’s ideas and steer the ship to where the money is.

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Posted by: Wanderer.3248

Wanderer.3248

He explained on another video that as old people leave and new ones take their place. Different decisions may be made if there is a different management.

Some things change, some stay the same.

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Posted by: Khal Drogo.9631

Khal Drogo.9631

It means they have no real vision for the future of the game.

Yes that too. Complete lack of vision. Which probably means they’ll copy other people’s ideas and steer the ship to where the money is.

Thats the problem; they may not make the money by doing so – ask Microsoft vis-a-vis Ipod and IPad.

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Posted by: Requiem.8769

Requiem.8769

It means they have no real vision for the future of the game.

Yes that too. Complete lack of vision. Which probably means they’ll copy other people’s ideas and steer the ship to where the money is.

Thats the problem; they may not make the money by doing so – ask Microsoft vis-a-vis Ipod and IPad.

Hush Khal Drogo, you're dead.

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Posted by: Kaizer.7135

Kaizer.7135

It means they’re going to increase the level cap so when people whine and complain they’ll use the quote and anet will go: “WE DIDnt SAY WE WERENT GOING TO RAISE THE LVL CAP TROLOLOLOL”

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Posted by: Assyrian.4827

Assyrian.4827

We wanted the level caps to be in the game at release but we didn’t have time.

Ascended ;-)

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Posted by: Daywolf.2630

Daywolf.2630

Nothing is off the table?
Well, I was walking down Hollywood Blvd one day, and this woman approached me and asked if I were lookin fur ah good tiiime.
Well, that’s sort of like that, I think. See?? when they say things to be left open for interpretation, you get this! heh

edit: btw I think her name was WoW, maybe the night elf mohawk tipped me off.

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