Guild Wars 2

Im not kidding, i sent a report in about bugged drops mostly from champions and vets which in the nov 15th patch they said would always drop loot.

And the response was to check my system clock and make sure it matched the server clock, even down to the min/sec if possible.

So who knows i havent had a chance to try this yet but perhaps checking your clocks might be a good idea if you are one of the players getting really screwed by the RNG/DR for your loot drops.

However i have to think this is a complete BS answer, no game i have ever seen in the last 15 years at least would use the system clock for anything at all ever over there own server clock……..

But if any of you have had issues and the system clock was off and the issues went away after fixing the clock pleae post here im very interested to see if this does work.

I’ve killed many vets and champions without any loot, vets I can somewhat understand. But champions? I killed one last night solo and didn’t even get anything.

As for other loot, DR is again ~ forcing me to quit the game. Just did a fotm 10 daily, and got…1 molten core. Probably earned <1g for the entire run – simply amazing really, and not in a good way.

Rifter.6591:

However i have to think this is a complete BS answer, no game i have ever seen in the last 15 years at least would use the system clock for anything at all ever over there own server clock……..

Generating pseudo-random numbers.

My clock is set by the internet, so unless the time server is wrong, then my time is correct.

Ruin.3461:

Rifter.6591:

However i have to think this is a complete BS answer, no game i have ever seen in the last 15 years at least would use the system clock for anything at all ever over there own server clock……..

Generating pseudo-random numbers.

obviously, but you could use the server clock for that, i would think the RNG is being run on the server anyways, because if it isnt then holy security and exploit issues if the RNG is client side………..

So how do you check the server clock/your system clock? Is it the minimap clock and your desktop toolbar clock? If so my desktop clock is 7 sec faster than my ig clock.

Olfinbedwere.5049:

So how do you check the server clock/your system clock? Is it the minimap clock and your desktop toolbar clock? If so my desktop clock is 7 sec faster than my ig clock.

yes i believe that is how you would check it.

ok, checked the in game clock against my phone and computer.

My phone uses the phone companies time, and it is 4sec faster than ingame server time.

My computer uses apple time server and is 5 seconds faster than ingame server time.

Is the time difference the reason for bad loot?

Last week, I purchased a new router and the front panel LEDs did not work. I called tech support, in India, and the tech told me to “taker the power cord and plug/unplug it as fast as you can for as many times as you can for 20 seconds”. I thought that’s was nuts. After I finished, the panel LEDs still didn’t work. The tech then told me “since the router works ok, you don’t really need the front panel LEDs anyway”. Really? I couldn’t believe he told me that.

My point being…..sounds like a bs answer to a problem they have no clue about.
Oh, and I returned the router to the store.

This has to be a joke.

I heard GW2 tracks anything you do while using your computer and counts it towards your DR. So only turn on your computer when playing GW2 or you’ll be “hobbled” (but remember to let it cool off a bit before you shut it down again). If that don’t help, try pointing at it and cursing… Or eating a jam sandwich..

The voices tell me these things. You should listen.

Villious.8530:

Last week, I purchased a new router and the front panel LEDs did not work. I called tech support, in India, and the tech told me to “taker the power cord and plug/unplug it as fast as you can for as many times as you can for 20 seconds”. I thought that’s was nuts. After I finished, the panel LEDs still didn’t work. The tech then told me “since the router works ok, you don’t really need the front panel LEDs anyway”. Really? I couldn’t believe he told me that.

My point being…..sounds like a bs answer to a problem they have no clue about.
Oh, and I returned the router to the store.

You got trolled

CobaltSixty.1542:

This has to be a joke.

I can provide a screenshot of the e-mail if you wish i just wasnt sure if that was against the rules to post communucations with support publicly. However if you PM me your e-mail address i can forward it to you they have no way to verify that.

Never heard of this before. What? Why? Uhm…

Confused.

This is the solution to people who do their dailies and it is not being updated. Dailies monthlies are set up long before hand and the server sends out which to do, if your date time is out of sync for your region towards the server time you get the wrong information and you cannot advance. The customer care person did not know what they where talking about which is sad but happens. Send in a ticket so that they will hopefully improve the knowledge of the staff.

Edit: next monthly the WvWvW kills comes back yet again. I am not getting my monthly next month it seems unless they change this.

Most random numbers generated by computers, especially by games, are, in actuality, only psuedo-random.

For more information about that, check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudorandom_number_generator

But basically, the psuedo random number generators use a seed to generate a random number. The most efficient way to get a seed is just to use the computer’s system time (or a variation that still, in some way, uses the time).

It doesn’t make sense that any server-sided mechanic would use the client’s system time for pretty much anything, especially something as integral as the RND system. While it may be (a lot) more difficult to exploit than one may initially imagine, if someone is able to find a specific time slot wherein RND appears to be consistently higher, it could be used to exploit the system, i.e. get constantly high loot rates.

tl;dr Yes, computers use the system time to help generate random numbers. No, it (hopefully) isn’t your computer’s time – it’s the server’s time.

Please DO post a screenshot of your email with support. I’m most curious about this.

CobaltSixty.1542:

This has to be a joke.

My exact thought…and the punchline is all the people that might actually believe it

/puts on tinfoil hat

ok guys, when i get home in a few hours ill post a screenshot, I just tried from my work comp but apparantly the draconian sytem admin doesnt allow it via the conventional method and the vista snipping tool is even disabled by group policy….

Im not screwing with you guys though this is for real, will have evidence up in less than 120 min.

Wait… my drops depend on my… windows clock???
I’m not really sure I want to set my clock to server time, I use my PC clock to look at the time.

I think we could really use an official answer on this.

Red Falcon.8257:

Wait… my drops depend on my… windows clock???
I’m not really sure I want to set my clock to server time, I use my PC clock to look at the time.

I think we could really use an official answer on this.

Well i have a response from support i will post screenshot of soon, if thats not official i dont know what is.

My batteries died on my clock…is that why my loot sucks?

Rifter.6591:

Well i have a response from support i will post screenshot of soon, if thats not official i dont know what is.

Please do so ASAP as possible.

Post the screenshot. Perhaps the CSR misunderstood your question.

I really never doubted you. Just doubted the theory. The fact that they would provide this as an answer is just making me believe that there is indeed a bigfoot.

Did they happen to say what time loot drops?

Apparently in Gendarrian and Queensdale I’m getting loot from champions and vets I got a lv 80 yellow spear gun form the champion wasp. I’m also getting reports of exotics dropping in the lower level areas from random creatures and bosses.

Also young karkas dropped 5 greens in a two hour farm and in a smaller farm the night before, 1 yellow and a few greens.

I have no idea what you guys problems are, farm other areas?

Oh boy.

Who’s willing to research how different discrepancies between your system clock and server clock affect your loot?

I’m gonna assume that the maximal discrepancy is 30 minutes, ‘cause if some players are kittened by the RNG just because of their timezone, well, I’d be very disappoint.

Aaaand the censorship wagon rolled in.

This…is the best conspiracy theory ever

I didn’t wanna buy into this, but I thought it was worth a try anyway. I had my system clock adjusted by a massive 30secs (haven’t sync’d it in a good few months) thanks to Atomic Clock Sync, I kicked on GW2 again and waited for the clocks to advance a minute. It seems that while mine is the ‘correct’ time, Anet’s time is behind by 5 seconds.

Conspiracy theorists, read into this whatever you will.

it is possible to use a clock in certain calculations.

when your clock is way off( and i mean way off like on 2000) certain certificates
wil not function either (gmail for instance wont work sometimes , certificate based wifi wont function, stuff like that)

but i never heard that a few seconds of even minutes will matter

But then again, no one (or maybe im wrong ) reverse engenered gw2 to check what calcs they do and how they do it

its quite funny and may i add “showing the true color of mmo players”
that a random, ahem “fishy” post like this, get that many views and replies.

LOOT !

i think you see wrong.

i dont give a kitten about loot

Jason King.2647:

Hey everyone, I’m here to help clear up some of the confusion on this issue!

First, our apologies for the inaccurate response: your system clock does not affect your loot drops (sorry, conspiracy theorists). We’ve corrected this information for future responses.

If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.

Thank you for bringing this up!

I thought getting exp means getting kill credit?

Jason King.2647:

Hey everyone, I’m here to help clear up some of the confusion on this issue!

First, our apologies for the inaccurate response: your system clock does not affect your loot drops (sorry, conspiracy theorists). We’ve corrected this information for future responses.

If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.

Thank you for bringing this up!

So how exactly does kill credit work?

Scenerio:
I solo’d a champion spider and received no loot at all.
This reason for no loot is no kill credit?
If solo killing the champion/vet doesn’t provide kill credit what will?

Jason King.2647:

If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.

Hope that also includes the situation for solo kills, and not just partial credit kills.

I can see how a contribution in a group might not be high enough to pass the threshold for a reward.

However, I’ve killed veterans in many zones which dropped nothing at all, even when I killed them without any other players around me.

Jason King.2647:

Hey everyone, I’m here to help clear up some of the confusion on this issue!

First, our apologies for the inaccurate response: your system clock does not affect your loot drops (sorry, conspiracy theorists). We’ve corrected this information for future responses.

If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.

Thank you for bringing this up!

How about correcting the supposed fix that happend last year.

I two/three man a champ no loot, I solo a champ no loot.

I run straight by champs because it’s a waste of time, no loot.

If you are not getting loot, it’s most likely from a broken system, not the player

“If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit.”

Oh I just had to respond to this. Killed the Blood Witch yesterday in Kessex Hills map along with three other players. I tagged the Boss first and we beat him/her down. All I got was a soiled rag for my trouble. Killed all the Vets inside the cave, got a big repair bill but no loot. The barracudas dropped better loot than the boss. Nonsense.

Did many events yesterday including the Behemoth Boss in God’s Lost Swamp twice. best reward out of it? Copper dubloon, everything else was blue armor/weapon that I couldn’t even use for my character. Thanks. (Yes that is sarcasm).

If not getting kill credit is the reason for not getting loot, then i’d really like to know just what in blazes does give you kill credit, because apparently i was wrong and have no clue.

Jason King.2647:

If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit.

Orly? Even if I soloed the champ/vet ?

Jason King.2647:

Hey everyone, I’m here to help clear up some of the confusion on this issue!

First, our apologies for the inaccurate response: your system clock does not affect your loot drops (sorry, conspiracy theorists). We’ve corrected this information for future responses.

If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.

Thank you for bringing this up!

I can shot a Dragon a few times and get loot credit, but I can’t solo or even group kill with considerable more hits?

I’m going to try to keep this as respectful as possible.
There is something obviously wrong with the coding in this game. There are literally hundreds of posts about terrible loot drops, all which started with the November 15, 2012 patch, so I suggest Anet look there first. Something is rotten in GW2 and it’s not the players. When you have a consensus of hundreds, if not thousands of customers complaining about a specific issue and you (Anet) chalk it up to not getting kill credit, RNG or bad luck then it seems something is quite wrong here.

i think i know,

when you solo a vet or champ , it gets a sheer heart attack at the last second
so it essentially kills itself.

erm your post has been……

Jason King.2647:

Hey everyone, I’m here to help clear up some of the confusion on this issue!

First, our apologies for the inaccurate response: your system clock does not affect your loot drops (sorry, conspiracy theorists). We’ve corrected this information for future responses.

If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit. We’re currently working on some improvements to this so that it will be easier to get rewards when you kill a creature.

Thank you for bringing this up!

kill creddit = exp.
yes or no?
short answer pls

TsukasaHiiragi.9730:

I’ve killed many vets and champions without any loot, vets I can somewhat understand. But champions? I killed one last night solo and didn’t even get anything.

As for other loot, DR is again ~ forcing me to quit the game. Just did a fotm 10 daily, and got…1 molten core. Probably earned <1g for the entire run – simply amazing really, and not in a good way.

DR is pushing many away. Did a 17 and 18 last night and got 1 yellow shoulder (no ectos after breaking) for the entire time. I’ve pretty much had it at this point.

Jason King.2647:

If you’re not receiving loot from a champ/vet, it’s most likely because you’re not getting kill credit.

I’m sorry but this just isn’t an acceptable answer and quite frankly it smells like BS to me. How do you not get kill credit soloing a champ?

Did u see the new chests they added when you get a rare or higher item? Did you see most of the time they have garbage instead of a rare or higher? That’s right! Its not really a bug, actually you really got a rare but the game DR replaced with garbage!

I love getting greys out of those chests. Makes me feel all warm and fuzzy.

wow! even the dev is checking it and adding up to the hype of the (funny?) thread.

solid