Guild Wars 2

Well about my title it is very simple.

I am going to give all of you some basic calculations here you decide and I want to have a statement of a person who was responsible for these arrangements.

Let us take a look at Dawn:
Direct purchase price atm 740g
highest ordered price atm 660g

Now let us take a look at the collection:
For rank 1 you have to collect 14 tokens with various means and then you have to create a prototype sword.
You need 30 Deldrimor Steel Ingots and 10 Elonian Leather Squares and some other tokens like the PVP and WVW tokens to create this sword.

For rank 2 you have to craft a ton of practice stuff for at least 3000 Mithril Ingot.
Then you have to create a special sword forging tool where you need 250 Mithril Ingot 100 Orichalcum Ingot and again 10 Deldrimor Steel. Then you have to create 10 Greatsword Blades and 10 Greatsword Hilts of kinda every type of ingot there is including Deldrimor Steel Ingots again. Since 1 Blade/Hilt is 3 Ingots each we arrive at an additional 60 Deldrimor Steel Ingots. After this you have to hand in a new Daysowrd Hilt and Blade. I do not know how much ingot you need here. But we can assume at least 5 or mots likely 15 like we needed for the Blade and Hilt of Rank 1.

So we add it up:
3250 Mithril Ingot (Stack about 2 g each: 13 Stack is 26g)
10 Elonian Leather Squares (price if you order it is aboce 5,5g so 55g)
3 Settings for Steel:
-100 Deldrimor Steel Ingots (most optimal setting if the new Hilt and Blade are free for whatever reason. Deldrimor Steel Ingots is abve 5,25g if you order it so 525g)
-110 Deldrimor Steel Ingots (super cheap Hilt and Blade 577,5g)
-130 Deldrimor Steel Ingots (setting i think is most likely 682,5g)
And let us assume you spend about 50g for the other ingots you need and also the PVP and WVW tokens (I know 50g is at this moment not enough but let us assume token price will drop sharply after a few days since there will be more on the market)

This brings us to a price for the different scenarios of:
1. 656 g (scenario free new hilt and blade since i do not know how much it costs really)
2. 708,5 g (scenario 5 ingot hilt and blade)
3. 813,5 g (scenario 15 ingot hilt and blade like rank 1)

Reminder for COMPLETE PRECURSOR purchase from auction house:
Direct purchase price atm 740g
highest ordered price atm 660g

So in the most ideal scenario it is 4g cheaper than the one you order and in the worst scenario it is more than 50g MORE expensive than the one you purchase.

You still have to farm 1000 Bandit crests and a few other things (which I also do not know since you have to complete Bandit Crests before this one to see the following ones). If we assume you only have to farm things you can not buy the price does not increase.

But now think about it.
We have now only finished rank 2 of 3 ranks. We still miss a WHOLE rank. And we spent a kitten ton of time already running around the map doing part 1 and farming whatever not for rank 2.

Btw I made the prices a bit lower than they actually are for the sake of nicer numbers to calculate and the possibility that the price could decrease in the next 1-2 days.

So if you do think about it now. You have to spend MORE gold if you do try to get the precursor with the collection than if you just buy it in the Trading Post. And you have to spend hours running around.

So why should we even do it this way?
Well some collections might be cheaper than directly buying it like Dusk since it does cost more. ( 1150g direct purchase 950g order)
Or because you do not need Deldrimor Steel Ingot.
Some people might say you do not have to purchase ingredients but you can farm them yourself. But this does not mean you get the item for free. You still have the value of the item you use to craft. So you just acquire the value otherwise than direct purchase trough Trading post and you might be 15% cheaper because you do not have the fees but you would need at least 100 days just to finish rank 2 (since Deldrimor Steel Ingot is kinda once per day) and you still would have to run around farming everything which does cost time and time is money. ^^

So what is the reason we should do the collections?
Well I do not know other collections but we can assume they work the same way. So you do need at least 110 ascended crafting materials of any kind. So the price should not be all that different. If we use simple math the only precursor collections you could save money of are the ones for the most valuable ones like Dusk.

I really feel cheated. I build the rank 1 sword so I have to finish it if i want the precursor otherwise I would have wasted even more money.

I am really disappointed since i thought that the whole point of this collection was to save some money on the Precursor while I get to see some nice scavenger hunt and compensate the gold i safe with time I play to finish the collection.

If possible I would love to reverse everything I did for the collection. I now wasted gold for no reason at all and I do not even want to start on the playtime. (And I am quite sure the prices of ascended crafting material will only rise and not fall since there are now a ton of people who need the materials in the hundreds because of the Precursor collection. And there will still be people who build ascended armor themselves.

So guys think about the pros and cons of the collection. I am toying with the idea of stopping to play since well I wasted the gold I saved up on something that does cost more time and does cost more than just buying it directly. I do not have a ton of time to play so the gold I spend does really ruin me practically. Unfortunately there is no medicine for remorse.

But I would really like to hear, what the people who are in charge of designing these Precursor collections have to say about the stuff I mentioned here. If someone does find some calculation error please point it out.

Thanks for reading all this.

Yeap what other way Anet could’ve have made precursor collection more exciting than to add in more purchasable expensive kitten that you got to gather in bulk to craft. Again not about the experience to get the precursor it’s more of how much gold you have.

If this is true then.. wow.
I was getting all excited with starting my legendary journey soon.
Now I might just not start at all and save my time and gold.
Though, its all about the experience I guess. Going through all that rather than just buying it from the TP or hoping the Mystic Toilet poops one out for you.
Hoped that this system was an exchange between more time and less gold, boo.

You either spend time to grind for the materials, or you spend gold to buy the materials. It’s pretty much everything I expected from precursor crafting.

yep, I sold all my crafting materials and decided to just grind the Silverwastes for gold to eventually buy a legendary from the TP.

It seems to be easier and faster that way.

It keep the old precursor price in check so it useful to have this option when you want to craft legendary,without this option dawn would cost lot more ;D

So i pretty much got a crap load of experience to unlock Legendary Masteries just to read this thread…

Ok then thanks for playing.

Ah that times when I was watching live stream where Devs were excited about ADVENTURE, EXPLORING, FUN while doing precursor crafting. I had so much hope ill exchange time i would spend on grinding money on some really exciting traveling around Tyria. Of course i didnt expect it to be totally free but at least 50% discount in compare to TP.

And as we find out that adventure, exploring and fun is gonna be on Silverwastes.

The point of the system is to give you an alternative to farming gold to get the precursor. You aren’t supposed to just buy all the items off the TP.

Way to miss the purpose entirely.

And as far as the cost goes, HoT just launched. Everyone is trying out the new system causing the price of things to go up with demand which is why precursor prices are falling because less people are just buying a completed one.

The point of the changes was to give an option of bypassing the trading post and RNG entirely. Anyone who thought this would be easy or a short method was kidding themselves.

Just kicks and kittens:

To craft a rare greatsword, you need 12 mithril ingots, 4 elder wood planks and 15 t5 fine mats.

With ingots at 0.8s, planks at 1.4s and t5 fine mats at 0.5s, so thats not even 23s.

On average, you need 2k greatswords to forge a precursor, which would be 460g atm.

Substance E.4852:

The point of the system is to give you an alternative to farming gold to get the precursor. You aren’t supposed to just buy all the items off the TP.

Way to miss the purpose entirely.

And as far as the cost goes, HoT just launched. Everyone is trying out the new system causing the price of things to go up with demand which is why precursor prices are falling because less people are just buying a completed one.

The point of the changes was to give an option of bypassing the trading post and RNG entirely. Anyone who thought this would be easy or a short method was kidding themselves.

Good point, despite the condescending tone of your post. Players are expected to gather most of the materials themselves throughout their adventures, not just buy everything from the TP. If you’re gonna do that, then you might as well just buy the legendary itself.

Substance E.4852:

Anyone who thought this would be easy or a short method was kidding themselves.

I’m pretty sure none of us thought that precursor crafting was easy or short.
You are missing the points that players are making in this thread.

Woah, chill dude. I know GW2 is all about being the prettiest princess and all, but you still have to consider that Legendaries are only a minor inprovement over exotic as far as stats go.
Thus the only issue that I can see people having is, not having the prettiest weapon skin.

Simply put, get the kitten over it its only a skin. If you want the dang skin work for it, its optional so stop complaining. Geez. The kittening entitled kittens.

The problem with gold is that there is no real sink for it in game, other then the TP, but that is not Anet regulated. by reducing the gold reward for dungeons they are trying to offset the inflation in game.

Oh w/e.

Kazuto.2798:

Substance E.4852:

Anyone who thought this would be easy or a short method was kidding themselves.

I’m pretty sure none of us thought that precursor crafting was easy or short.
You are missing the points that players are making in this thread.

No I understand the point completely. It’s stupid expensive to TP the materials directly.

You weren’t expected to do this. It was supposed to be a method that would let you make tangible progress through general play.

The only problem that really exists is the need for otherwise time-gated materials.

TP cost only matters if you are looking to buy the mats instead of gathering them. One only does this to speed up the crafting process.

Gathering far less stuff through the exact same general play and selling it to make the gold you need to buy a precursor off the TP sounds like a better idea. I don’t see an upside in spending more time and resources.

If two people can spend all of their time in the game playing side by side with each other , literally doing everything together, except one of them is saving up to craft his precursor while the other one just buys one ready-made as soon as he can afford one which happens to be far sooner, what is the point of crafting it yourself?

Substance E.4852:

Kazuto.2798:

Substance E.4852:

Anyone who thought this would be easy or a short method was kidding themselves.

I’m pretty sure none of us thought that precursor crafting was easy or short.
You are missing the points that players are making in this thread.

No I understand the point completely. It’s stupid expensive to TP the materials directly.

You weren’t expected to do this. It was supposed to be a method that would let you make tangible progress through general play.

The only problem that really exists is the need for otherwise time-gated materials.

TP cost only matters if you are looking to buy the mats instead of gathering them. One only does this to speed up the crafting process.

Still not comparable in the least, when one method costs 1.2k gold and is faster, and the other costs 2k gold and requires you to scavenge around looking for random crap too, there’s something not right.

If anything the precursor collection should cost LESS because you’re also putting in the effort to scavenge and hunt for things as well as wait on time gated materials.

The bifrost precursor has it right, it’s costing on average about 100-150g less to do it from the collection.

They’re just not comparable at all, The Legend is currently costing roughly 550-600g to craft via the collection system, where-as other 2handed weapons are costing around 2k to craft, a whopping 800-900g more than they’re selling for on the TP.

Wow, that sounds like a nightmare. Glad I didn’t buy the expansion. This typical GW2 nonsense.

Precursors are just expensive. It doesn’t matter though what price Anet set the precursor cost at, the TP would adjust to match it.

The rip off is:
Do the journey, gather all materials, SELL THOSE MATERIALS on the tp, and buy precursor.
-> Cheaper.

What anet is trying to do is INFLATE the price of dropped precursors to what THEY think is the worth.

Without obviously taking in account that they are currently seriously breaking the inflation rate of gold with killing dungeon runs. Making gold more and more valuable, thereby inflating precursor prices not just to a set amount in worth, but also inflating that amount of worth itself.

This kind of things happen A LOT with anet, since their matching process of several projects and departments just honestly sucks.

And I totally forgot to mention it:
Taking the time you would spent on that journey to precursor, and instead just farming SW or whatever for that amount of time, will roughly wield you enough for 1.5 to 2 precursors.

Have fun on your legendary journey. I personally will absolutely NOT rush it, or even especially look for it, instead just playing the game normally and being happy about everything that gets unlocked while I have fun.

Some of you are missing the point:
the materials you need to gather to make the precursor actually can be sold for more gold than the precursor costs on the market. That amount of gold is also more than the cost of rares to flush down the mystic toilet (though there is the danger of getting nothing). so you pay substantially more for a sure thing.

It is not a trade of playing time for gold – it’s more gold and more time.

Don’t worry, ANet will reduce precursor droprates as reponse so that they will stay more expensive than crafting!

I find these threads always so funny.

So many people seem to never actually have paid attention to what arenanet promised and just interpreted they communication with their own subjective views.

Everyone who believed precursor crafting would be cheaper than the mystic forge congratulate yourself. You completely missed the point of precursor crafting. Arenanet have always communicated that this was supposed to be an alternativ to:

A.) the huge amount of rng that comes with the mf
B.) having to save up hundreds of gold since the sense of progress is very little (and because a vast majority of players/people have no ability to control themselves and are wasteful spenders the moment gold/money enters their possession)

The one thing precursor crafting does (and what it was designed for), is to break up the process of saving gold into smaller chunks so players can actually work towards a goal and circumvent rng. You are unhappy and not having fun with this process? Options A and B are still open to you (granted not for the new legendarys, but here arenanet are addressing the issue of “every body has one” or “just spend enough gold on the TP” players had been whining about).

tl;dr: Precursor crafting is exactly what arenanet promised it would be. People building up expectations due to adding subjective views and a scary inability to comprehend intent in writen word.

Sounds to me like someone putting a lot of effort into propping up the precursor market..

I bought all the level 1 .. recipies? .. just so I could get the achievement points for completing them!

Most precursor craftings are slightly cheaper than the actual TP price of the precursor. But, you’re able to sell it on TP when it’s completed.

I would have much rather preferred a 3 month long process that was relatively cheap with lots of account bound things, than what we got now. There’s nothing epic about pumping gold into a collection.

Alaya.8765:

Then you have to create 10 Greatsword Blades and 10 Greatsword Hilts of kinda every type of ingot there is including Deldrimor Steel Ingots again.

Wow, that sounds like SO MUCH FUN.

Amazing it took that long for ArenaNet to add precursor crafting, only for them to make it as much a grind as everything else they have added with HoT.

The “legendary journey” is just a badly designed legendary grind.

Substance E.4852:

The point of the system is to give you an alternative to farming gold to get the precursor. You aren’t supposed to just buy all the items off the TP.

Way to miss the purpose entirely.

And as far as the cost goes, HoT just launched. Everyone is trying out the new system causing the price of things to go up with demand which is why precursor prices are falling because less people are just buying a completed one.

The point of the changes was to give an option of bypassing the trading post and RNG entirely. Anyone who thought this would be easy or a short method was kidding themselves.

This.

ChrizZcE.5981:

yep, I sold all my crafting materials and decided to just grind the Silverwastes for gold to eventually buy a legendary from the TP.

It seems to be easier and faster that way.

What about the new legendary weapon? Like hope

Ashen.2907:

Substance E.4852:

The point of the system is to give you an alternative to farming gold to get the precursor. You aren’t supposed to just buy all the items off the TP.

Way to miss the purpose entirely.

And as far as the cost goes, HoT just launched. Everyone is trying out the new system causing the price of things to go up with demand which is why precursor prices are falling because less people are just buying a completed one.

The point of the changes was to give an option of bypassing the trading post and RNG entirely. Anyone who thought this would be easy or a short method was kidding themselves.

This.

Neither of you read the post, let me Tl;DR for you. YOU CAN farm that all you want and take your time. BUT IT WILL ALWAYS be cheaper to get it on the tp. by selling the materials you get for your pre. That’ss obviously too hard to understand.

When they talked about the precursor crafting, they stated they wanted to keep the overall cost similar to the cost on the TP. I disagree with this approach, since there’s a decent time investment, and these collections don’t take that into consideration. Plus, we still have the rest of the legendary materials to get, and that cost hasn’t changed.

Substance E.4852:

The point of the system is to give you an alternative to farming gold to get the precursor. You aren’t supposed to just buy all the items off the TP.

Way to miss the purpose entirely.

And as far as the cost goes, HoT just launched. Everyone is trying out the new system causing the price of things to go up with demand which is why precursor prices are falling because less people are just buying a completed one.

The point of the changes was to give an option of bypassing the trading post and RNG entirely. Anyone who thought this would be easy or a short method was kidding themselves.

I’ve been bypassing the RNG already by grinding the key ingredient: gold. I’m still left with the choice of whether to spend it on ascended, precursor, or anything else.

This system wasn’t meant to be easy, it was meant to help people get to their precursor in small steps of progression. If you want your precursor in 1 day, buy it of the TP, it saves you allot of time and effort. If you can’t afford this, do the collection, progress a bit every week to eventually get it.

This is supposed to bridge the huge goldgap of a precursor by adding small stepping stones, but in the end, it’s not gonna be easier or cheaper. If you expected that then you were kidding yourself.

After this post is seen by the TP Sellers, Precursors is going to go up again… probably more since it is much easier to just buy it than craft it. Lol.

The point of precursor crafting wasnt so that you can save money, it was to have a 100% sure way of geting it without to rely on rng from drops or mf.

its also a way where you progress bit by bit in diferent ways.

you either spam farming or dungeons all day every day till you get those 700g for dawn from tp or you spen a few gold here and a few gold there while runing around doing different stuff.

it might cost more gold but youre spending time doing various things instead farming forgold tgat you build up slowly and spend all at once

At this point, is there any doubt – any at all – that every single decision ArenaNet makes is designed very specifically to drive cash shop purchases? In this case, they quite clearly want to make the purchase of gems to be converted to gold to buy the materials required to obtain a precursor a far less painful route than earning one in-game.

darkace.8925:

At this point, is there any doubt – any at all – that every single decision ArenaNet makes is designed very specifically to drive cash shop purchases? In this case, they quite clearly want to make the purchase of gems to be converted to gold to buy the materials required to obtain a precursor a far less painful route than earning one in-game.

Yup, that’s why not going to give ANET anymore money. I will still play the base game and stop when something better comes along.

Substance E.4852:

Anyone who thought this would be easy or a short method was kidding themselves.

I didn’t think it would either easy or short and I was totally ok with that. But these numbers have me concerned. Why bother going through the hassle of putting together a precursor if you’re only saving 4 gold from buying it off the TP? You have to do a lot of work to make this happen. Shouldn’t the price be commensurately lower?

Blaine Tog.8304:

Substance E.4852:

Anyone who thought this would be easy or a short method was kidding themselves.

I didn’t think it would either easy or short and I was totally ok with that. But these numbers have me concerned. Why bother going through the hassle of putting together a precursor if you’re only saving 4 gold from buying it off the TP? You have to do a lot of work to make this happen. Shouldn’t the price be commensurately lower?

Anet has no control over TP pricing. It remains to be seen where prices will settle now that HoT has gone live.

Fox.3469:

This system wasn’t meant to be easy, it was meant to help people get to their precursor in small steps of progression. If you want your precursor in 1 day, buy it of the TP, it saves you allot of time and effort. If you can’t afford this, do the collection, progress a bit every week to eventually get it.

This is supposed to bridge the huge goldgap of a precursor by adding small stepping stones, but in the end, it’s not gonna be easier or cheaper. If you expected that then you were kidding yourself.

Yeah, its going to take longer and cost more. So its a step back in every way. Whats the point then.

Lobo Dela Noche.5127:

Fox.3469:

This system wasn’t meant to be easy, it was meant to help people get to their precursor in small steps of progression. If you want your precursor in 1 day, buy it of the TP, it saves you allot of time and effort. If you can’t afford this, do the collection, progress a bit every week to eventually get it.

This is supposed to bridge the huge goldgap of a precursor by adding small stepping stones, but in the end, it’s not gonna be easier or cheaper. If you expected that then you were kidding yourself.

Yeah, its going to take longer and cost more. So its a step back in every way. Whats the point then.

From what has been said, the point is to be able to bypass the precursor drop RNG.

That’s it.

SirDrygan.1823:

darkace.8925:

At this point, is there any doubt – any at all – that every single decision ArenaNet makes is designed very specifically to drive cash shop purchases? In this case, they quite clearly want to make the purchase of gems to be converted to gold to buy the materials required to obtain a precursor a far less painful route than earning one in-game.

Yup, that’s why not going to give ANET anymore money. I will still play the base game and stop when something better comes along.

Yep.

Look at what they did to the small guilds to make them so much less viable; and also, now you can’t even make banners, etc without buying the expansion to train “scribe”! Seriously – who would do business with a company that treats folks like that? Not me.

Ashen.2907:

Blaine Tog.8304:

Substance E.4852:

Anyone who thought this would be easy or a short method was kidding themselves.

I didn’t think it would either easy or short and I was totally ok with that. But these numbers have me concerned. Why bother going through the hassle of putting together a precursor if you’re only saving 4 gold from buying it off the TP? You have to do a lot of work to make this happen. Shouldn’t the price be commensurately lower?

Anet has no control over TP pricing. It remains to be seen where prices will settle now that HoT has gone live.

I call shenanigans. Anet sets the terms for supple and they can affect demand by releasing new recipes requiring large amounts of a given mat. They know how much precursors have historically gone for and they apparently calibrated the materials cost to be pretty close to the cost of precursors. That wasn’t a coincidence.

So are precursors still dropping from the mystic forge or not?

Seabreeze.8437:

Substance E.4852:

The point of the system is to give you an alternative to farming gold to get the precursor. You aren’t supposed to just buy all the items off the TP.

Way to miss the purpose entirely.

And as far as the cost goes, HoT just launched. Everyone is trying out the new system causing the price of things to go up with demand which is why precursor prices are falling because less people are just buying a completed one.

The point of the changes was to give an option of bypassing the trading post and RNG entirely. Anyone who thought this would be easy or a short method was kidding themselves.

Good point, despite the condescending tone of your post. Players are expected to gather most of the materials themselves throughout their adventures, not just buy everything from the TP. If you’re gonna do that, then you might as well just buy the legendary itself.

Or, just sell all the stuff you gather yourself, and then buy the precursor for cheaper off of the TP.

#liquidity

Personally I don’t mind the grind. I mind the fact that basically it is just buying the precursors in a convoluted way.

I expected to use alternate currencies karma,, tokens, or achievement bars of some kind (kill so many grawl, etc). Then you could eliminate RNG and market forces. You could make a set exchange: so much time = precursor.

I noticed it was said above, but I want to restate it: the point is not to be cheaper or easier, the point is to sidestep both the pRNG and the anticlimactic “buy from the Trading Post.”

Beyond that, it’s to add to the journey of acquiring the legendary weapon. I’ve completed the first collection for The Legend and I’m half way through Spark, and from those alone I’ve made a story for these legendary weapons that I wouldn’t trade for anything. Why? Because I met other people looking for these things. We puzzled through the hints and found all the bits together. Only thing I had to look up were the locations the hints referenced (turns out my memory of Dredgehaunt Cliffs is pretty poor!)

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

(kill so many grawl, etc)

You know this is the kind of grinding they worked hard to excise from the genre, right?

Well I read everything you wrote.
Some of you missed my point some got it.

To sum it up again and to include the things said here.

1. Some said it is to bypass the rng and tp effect.
Well honestly I am no Role Play mmorgp player. I could care less if the way I acquire the precursor is epic. But OK let us jump the train. Sure it is interesting to complete the journey but well. Let us translate in a simpler term.

You want to eat bread because you are hungry. You can either hope a loaf drops from the sky (rng), or you can go to a store and buy it (tp). But you also could buy a field. Then farm it. After about half a year you have wheat (just enough for 1 loaf) and you have to get the rest of the ingredients. Then you still have to bake it in a stove which you also have to either build or buy. Then after all this work and lets just figuratively say a price that is higher (since time spent for this = time you can not spend to earn money) you have the loaf you want to eat. But oh well it is half a year late. But do not despair instead of spending half a year for this whole ordeal you can also buy the wheat and everything else. But oh no it is still more price than just getting it from the store.

Like I said if you love this principle then sure go ahead. It might be a nice way for people who are not able to save up money and who get the urge to buy useless crap if the number of gold they see in their inventory is to high so they never are able to save up enough for the big tp chunk. I am not. I am able to save it up ^^

2. Blaine Tog.8304’s argument of :
“I call shenanigans. Anet sets the terms for supple and they can affect demand by releasing new recipes requiring large amounts of a given mat. They know how much precursors have historically gone for and they apparently calibrated the materials cost to be pretty close to the cost of precursors. That wasn’t a coincidence.”

Well if they calibrated the price shame on them. They must have used the price before it became now that you need a ton of let us say ascended leather and ascended steel the prices exploded. Just look at gw2tp. Look at how the prices exploded. If they are like well we looked at the prices before and it seemed like a fair deal then wow shame on them. If so I am amazed they managed to stay on the market with their game long enough because this is simple economics to think that higher demand raises the prices. And if you introduce something that costs about 100+ mats which you needed before in a magnitude of like 5-10 for a single piece of equip then well it is a given the demand rises.

Well honestly just farming the mats is not the problem like someone mentioned the time gated stuff is the problem. If you do everything yourself you need well 100 days + and tp purchases are almost exclusively to shorten the time. Most of the extra money you spend on this one should be that you purchase the time gate other people used to craft it.

3. The stuff about being able to make progress while doing other things. Well if you are a causal player. Lets just say you farm the mats and craft 1 ingot a day and to everything else like this 2. You have to run around at least half an hour to gather everything you need for this ingot and this only if you go to places where you can farm it faster. You also have teleport costs. I do not really see the you can farm if slowly while doing other stuff idea. Well you can bulk farm the stuff once a week but not if you are casual player with a lower amount of time ^.^. And I personally was already tired of it after farming enough for my ascended armor and weapons I would have gone crazy if I would have to do it like 4-5 times the time i already did. It does restrict you. If you just play what you like and sell all the stuff you do not need you will have enough money to buy the prec at one point to and you will not be bound by the same routine.

Someone also said something about anet telling in advance it will not be cheaper but could be more expensive and harder etc. Could you please post the post you read this in?

Well lastly about the negative input.

I did not expect it to be like 90% off or in a way I can complete it in a single day.
But I did expect it to be at least a little kitteneaper than the complete one since you have to invest a lot of time. Everyone who still says it is about the adventure read point 1 our loaf adventure again. I am amazed that you whoever you may be have such nice masochist tendency (I have not)

Well I am simply bitter about it being an option that costs me more time and money than simply buying a complete one.

P.S. I did never drop a precursor and people who had the luck to get 1 or even more of them will likely fail to get my whole point since they either did not have the problem of acquiring the precursor or could sell the one they dropped to have either all the money they needed for the one they wanted or were close to it. And even if someone thinks well it is only bling bling. I simply want to have it to myself. I liked it the moment i saw it and did work for it little by little. Since you should not forget you also have 3 gifts you need to craft and there is not only the precursor you need. The ton of t6 mats the Icy Runestone the Karma and even the world completion are all things you had to do slowly. It just does not ring the right bell inside me that i have a chance to acquire my precursor the same way i did for the 3 gifts but it does cost more than to just buy it in the tp ^^. Since if the thread would have been either farm t6 mats for gift or buy them everyone would have said: your decision. Because dropping them is nice etc but it is unbelievable time consuming to really farm them all yourself ^^

My issue is not the price, but how it doesn’t really feel like a ‘Legendary Journey’.

Artanis.4963:

Blood Red Arachnid.2493:

(kill so many grawl, etc)

You know this is the kind of grinding they worked hard to excise from the genre, right?

Yeah, it’s so much better to have to stand somewhere and wait for specific dynamic events to kick off so you can complete your “collection” of heroic deeds.

I completed the first tier Dawn collection this weekend. I spent more time waiting around and chatting to kill time than actually playing. And when I say “more time”, I mean more by orders of magnitude. As much as 40 minutes of waiting for trivial events that last seconds.

So much for exiting and fun quests. And now I’d have to compound the terrible gameplay with spending excessive amounts of resources. No thanks. I bought my Dawn on the TP after all that and I’ll regard the collection I finished as just another dull way to earn some AP.

I waited for the precursor hunt because I wanted to experience a more involved way to get a precursor, not because they’re too expensive. I could buy one of each right now and have plenty of gold to spare. Alas, the crafting route is neither involved, nor fun, nor worth it for financial reasons. It’s shameful non-content.

Nick Lentz.6982:

YOU CAN farm that all you want and take your time. BUT IT WILL ALWAYS be cheaper to get it on the tp. by selling the materials you get for your pre.

Who cares?

A few weeks ago, a friend of mine who likes to gamble at the forge had a streak and pulled out several “the legend” in a moderately short timespan. He didn’t intend to craft the Bifrost himself and was getting tired of putting them on the tp, so he offered one of them to me as a gift, knowing that I was thinking about crafting it.

I declined, just like I never considered getting one off the trading post, even if I’ve got enough resources to buy one out-right. Yet I’m very much considering doing the Bifrost precursor collections once I’ve gone through some of the other HoT content, simply because it looks like a fun way to occupy my time.

Getting in-game shinies is nice, but over three years of casual play I’ve collected enough shinies to get a heap of gold should I care to liquidate my assets, yet I don’t do it. Just as I don’t spend my time wondering about the “gold worth” of the activities I do in-game.

I’m a grown up with family and job that keep me occupied a lot. This game is my hobby, the time I spend to relax and enjoy myself. I don’t care to farm materials just to put them on the TP and exchange them for random gold. I don’t care to spend gold on shinies just to have a status symbol. I do care to spend my time playing stuff that amuses me, and precursor crafting looks just like the kind of stuff I’d enjoy, slowly gathering what I need during my play-time.

To me, a fun activity is infinitely more worth than efficient gold-gain that doesn’t amuse me. I don’t care if it’s cheaper to buy a pre than collect its pieces. Even if I got the precursor for free I’d still prefer the collection, since my fun is in collecting and crafting, not in possession.

Rasimir.6239:

Yet I’m very much considering doing the Bifrost precursor collections once I’ve gone through some of the other HoT content, simply because it looks like a fun way to occupy my time.

Don’t count on it being fun.

Chaos Gun is 400g on TP and its crafting method requires entry into 5-6 different fractal bosses. In this new fractal island system it was high impossible to get a group that didn’t break up after a single fractal or daily. Then it was back to square one didn’t see why such a personnel journey required such a great deal of group work or farming modes I have literraly no interest in. Coupled with the costs I just bought the thing on the TP since its dropped over 100g since crafting was announced. Top prices will no doubt skyrocket when more people learn the journey costs are either higher or comparable with added grinding.