Guild Wars 2

A. i feel as though the effort to obtain a precursor is perfectly reasonable. as Anet has stated and very very many people confer…legendaries are meant as LONG term goals and are merely cosmetic items.

B. how many people complaining that precursors are difficult to get spent hundreds of gold on lodestones and t6 mats? i guarantee you that nearly alot of many of the people purchased these items yet don’t come here to complain about those. You purchased them ages ago when they were cheap? well guess what, at that point in time there were equally as expensive except there was less money in the system so prices were lower. now that people have more money, it is only reasonable for prices to increase with wealth.

C. i personally farmed my dusk from dragons and spent a whole month doing nothing else. i think a month is a short time in comparison to the longevity this game will most likely have. I was lucky, but i also put in alot of time as a non casual player which would equate to a massive amount of time as a casual player

D. stop complaining on the forum and spend that time in game trying to get one

E. i know many people i see regularly at dragons that work hard to try and get a precursor and many that have indeed obtained one through their efforts.

i don’t think it fair that because some of you are
not lucky/not persistent/not wanting to activity farm one/wanting one right away cause YOU WANT IT NOW WAHHHH/only play a very short time a day,
my and very many others who spent a long time and were very dedicated to getting a precursor accomplishment should be reduced.

F. whats that? you say im a farmer? well guess what my 5 hours a day is exactly the same as your 1 hour a day, it just takes you 5 days to achieve the same amount of game play. thus, it should take you five times as long to achieve what i have. reasonable enough, no?

G. whats this? you want anet to step in and make changes to the precursor market? you think everyone with a precursor is a market manipulator and only wants to raise prices for the lulz(they lose 30-50g each time they try to raise the price, and hundreds of gold to try and raise legendaries a few hundred gold)?

what about those people that worked hard to get their precursors? what if that was you? what if anet decided to mess with the precursor market and reduce prices? would you want to be kittened out of your hard earned profit because a few people didn’t like the prices? what if you received dawn and wanted dusk? you would sell dawn to get dusk, wouldn’t you? now what if you can only get 100g for dawn? do you think that is right, do you think your effort is worth that little?

TL:DR Precursors are difficult to obtain and that is perfectly fine, just because you can get the rest of the gifts to make a legendary by throwing some gold at TP(dont lie, i bet you didn’t farm those loadstones) but don’t want to pay for a precursor, or investing minimal effort in spamming 1 dungeon or a jumping puzzle, DOES NOT MEAN everything should be easy. The most reasonable course of action is to make everything for the gifts as difficult to obtain as the precursor rather then making the precursor easier. Remember its a LONG TERM GOAL

imma get yelled at c; bother…just tired of all the threads complaining about precursors

It’s not that they’re difficult to obtain, they should be. It’s that the market for precursors is controlled by a few extremely wealthy people who are buying up all the precursors and reselling them for 100g more, meaning the price keeps going up and the supply remains the same.
I would really like to see the scavenger hunt they keep talking about. I don’t care if it takes me months to achieve it. I’d rather that than have to put 700g into the pocket of someone controlling the market in such a way, or flush 700g down the mystic toilet and get nothing.

It’s not really a long term goal when it depends on extreme luck or beating out market inflation to bypass RNG.
What happened to Anet doing stuff like this…
http://wiki.guildwars.com/wiki/Black_Moa_Chick
(-_-)?!?

not everyone is a market manipulator though, take the twilight market into consideration.

the prices rose from 2499 to 2799 in 2 days. this happened gradually going up 100g at a time….consider it costs 125-140g to list said twilight. all it takes is 1 person to undercut them and they lose out on hundreds of gold and lots of time, and that is exactly what occurred, in 1 day the prices dropped back down to 2499 then 2299. Those trying to raise the price took a huge loss. manipulators do not always win so don’t think of them as some almighty rulers of the market

I just want something that is actual progress. Not random chance. Random chance is merely frustrating.

They’re not “fine”. RNG breaks all of that, Person A can get it on the first try, Person B can get it after 1K tries, and Person C could never get it, as it is always a chance and never guaranteed. Being determined and working hard for it means nothing if the the numbers generated do not let the precursor drop. TP proces continue to rise, kicking the majority of casuals from obtaining one. Not everyone should have one, but the opportunity for a person to get one should be equal amongst all players. They can be obtained with little time or not at all, and thatisn’t righ.

Kumu Honua.2751:

I just want something that is actual progress. Not random chance. Random chance is merely frustrating.

And here is the keyword, “Random Chance”…It doesn’t matter how much effort you place trying to get the precusor. It may have took the OP 1 month farming dragons, while I know people that have been farming dragons AND trying his luck on the mystic toilet. Yes, he wasted tons and tons of gold AND time trying to get it for 5 months, and still no luck, is he not putting effort enough to get the precusor OP?

Dragon events are not hard. Sit at one spot and spam auto attack until its dead.

Exploits for the early precursors. Those were not removed.

Failed Karka event handing them out in mass.

No, they are not fine. Take away every single one that was given at the karka event or gained through the early exploits and I would have no problem with the current system.

xCrusadentx.2784:

They’re not “fine”. RNG breaks all of that, Person A can get it on the first try, Person B can get it after 1K tries, and Person C could never get it, as it is always a chance and never guaranteed. Being determined and working hard for it means nothing if the the numbers generated do not let the precursor drop. TP proces continue to rise, kicking the majority of casuals from obtaining one. Not everyone should have one, but the opportunity for a person to get one should be equal amongst all players. They can be obtained with little time or not at all, and thatisn’t righ.

do you think it only takes a small amount of time to amass 700g? gold buying aside, just because you can buy something off TP doesn’t mean it was easy for you to reach the point where you were able to afford it. Most people with a legendary are probably not casual players, they have invested a large amount of time in getting the money or farming the items to make a legendary. Why do you think your time spent as a casual player is more important then that of a non casual player. as i stated in the OP i spent 5 hours a day or so farming dragons, does your 1 hour a day mean you are entitled to the same rewards i attained? Playing casually is fine, just don’t expect to get something as fast as those who invested more time

Thoughtless, you’ve completely missed the point.

Everyone coming to the forums saying precursors are “ok” have already gotten their precursors through one form or another.
Say that to the person who has farmed 100s of dragon events, threw 100s of gold into the mystic forge, progressed to level 40 fractals, and has never gotten one.

i think they should do more events like karka. Even if you don’t get a precursor (like me) the prices would drop in TP and you’d be able to buy it.
So why not control the prices by one event each month.

The OP’s post can basically be summed up as “screw you, I gots mine”.

No one is arguing against people putting in more work getting things sooner than casual players. The issue is the amount of work and RNG at play to begin with. If they doubled the rate at which precursors dropped then people who spent 5 hours a day doing dungeons would still get them faster than casuals. The only difference is that casuals might be able to actually get one before the expansion comes out.

Redfeather.6401:

Thoughtless, you’ve completely missed the point.

do tell? what is the point?

casual players should be awarded just as much as non casual players?

that seems to be the overriding concept behind most complaints

Had to mention…

“i am not so good at conveying my point without insults so kitten you!”

Made me spit coffee

Thoughtless.7148:

Redfeather.6401:

Thoughtless, you’ve completely missed the point.

do tell? what is the point?

casual players should be awarded just as much as non casual players?

that seems to be the overriding concept behind most complaints

Will.9785:

The OP’s post can basically be summed up as “screw you, I gots mine”.

Quick Mouse.7635:

Everyone coming to the forums saying precursors are “ok” have already gotten their precursors through one form or another.
Say that to the person who has farmed 100s of dragon events, threw 100s of gold into the mystic forge, progressed to level 40 fractals, and has never gotten one.

and how many people on the forums have actually put in this much effort into obtaining one? i assure you most haven’t. and i probably did close to 600 dragons to get my dusk, not to mention the toilet and fractals.

Come on it’s not that important, just take your time, have fun and you’ll have enough gold eventually.

Precursor prices are absolutely fine. Those who complain about it just want things cheaper and easier.

Thoughtless.7148:

and how many people on the forums have actually put in this much effort into obtaining one? i assure you most haven’t. and i probably did close to 600 dragons to get my dusk, not to mention the toilet and fractals.

So basically you are saying that because you decided to put in the work that they should never ever make them easier to obtain? Why? Because it wouldn’t be fair (in your mind) to you? No one put a gun to your head and made you do 600 dungeons. That was your choice. The vast majority would prefer not to have to do that because the game was advertised as not grindy. There will be a change made a some point. Every MMO does it. Stuff always gets easier to get the longer the game has been out. You should have known that going in. If you didn’t that’s not anyone else’s problem. Stop trying to take away from other people’s enjoyment just so that you can feel superior.

Will.9785:

The OP’s post can basically be summed up as “screw you, I gots mine”.

No one is arguing against people putting in more work getting things sooner than casual players. The issue is the amount of work and RNG at play to begin with. If they doubled the rate at which precursors dropped then people who spent 5 hours a day doing dungeons would still get them faster than casuals. The only difference is that casuals might be able to actually get one before the expansion comes out.

actually, the op’s point, and im just guessing here…. is that how many have actually put in the massive effort to obtain one? i just feel people should do less Q.Q and more pewpew or FOR GRAPE JUSTICE as it were. sure there are those outliers who have spent countless hours trying to get one and haven’t, but that is the minority and i am extremely sorry for the poor luck you have with RNG. but most dont put in that effort

Kumu Honua.2751:

I just want something that is actual progress. Not random chance. Random chance is merely frustrating.

It has to be random chance because people are kittens. Someone would find an exploit, or speed run, or wall glitch that would make any game-y way of obtaining them and take it for all its worth. Then you would have “pre-cursor speed clears”.

I’ve seen it be suggested that the scavenger hunt be one per account like the Karka rewards, then people would scream that they wanted to do it on an alt.

Or make it once per character account bound, like the Black Moa Chick, then people would scream that they can’t make two for things like incinerator. Or roll alts, and have guildies run it and then trash the character to do it again.

Or just make the items account bound/soul bound on equip…then they would be farmed for ecto or forge since the chain is a guaranteed exotic.

If they weren’t rare drops, and depending on the implementation of the scavenger hunt, the items themselves would be worthless, legendaries would be as impressive as CoF armor but would have a notable visual degradation on the game. Its hard enough to see in a zerg anyways, now imagine them all shooting unicorns, impenetrable black clouds and hearing a constant stream of pew-pew, all while your frames tank trying to handle the extra swath of particles and shader effects.

Random as much as it is disliked is the best solution. If you want actual progress, then do other things in the game that could lend to getting the precursor as a side-effect. Dungeon runner, outfitting alts with dungeon tokens, Guild temple/dragon runs, Fractals. And in the process, save your rares to forge because why the hell not? That’s how I got my precursor. And I accomplished a lot in the process. Had I been doing everything for the purpose of “farming a precursor” I probably would have had less fun.

Will.9785:

Thoughtless.7148:

and how many people on the forums have actually put in this much effort into obtaining one? i assure you most haven’t. and i probably did close to 600 dragons to get my dusk, not to mention the toilet and fractals.

So basically you are saying that because you decided to put in the work that they should never ever make them easier to obtain? Why? Because it wouldn’t be fair (in your mind) to you? No one put a gun to your head and made you do 600 dungeons.

im guessing you havent farmed much? you are right, there was no gun to my head, it was my choice. BUT consider the time involved, 600 dragons over a month or over 5 monthes is still 600 dragons. why should everyone be able to get in 5 dragons down rthe line because a small group complained hard enough

edit: i see you edited your post, cool beans bro…

if they release an easier way to obtain legendaries then it should come out further down the line, you are correct. if anything it should come out with a game expansion, im not saying they shouldn’t implement some way to do it. i just don’t think its appropriate to reward those with the biggest mouths and the largest stack of unfinished paperwork

Vol.5241:

Precursor prices are absolutely fine. Those who complain about it just want things cheaper and easier.

And this is abnormal human behavior how?

Vol.5241:

Precursor prices are absolutely fine. Those who complain about it just want things cheaper and easier.

And? You are kitten right some want it cheaper and easier. Some of us weren’t around to take advantage of cheap lodestones and whatnot when the game came out and the inflation is running rampant.

You folks kill me. I wonder how you feel about prices dropping in the real world. When you pay $50k for a new car do you get mad when someone can buy the same car for less a year later?

Thoughtless.7148:

Quick Mouse.7635:

Everyone coming to the forums saying precursors are “ok” have already gotten their precursors through one form or another.
Say that to the person who has farmed 100s of dragon events, threw 100s of gold into the mystic forge, progressed to level 40 fractals, and has never gotten one.

and how many people on the forums have actually put in this much effort into obtaining one? i assure you most haven’t. and i probably did close to 600 dragons to get my dusk, not to mention the toilet and fractals.

I have. And many others have too. And I still don’t have “The Legend”
And every time I get close to being able to buy one off the TP, the price increases by another 100g. It has gotten to the point where the price on the TP is increasing faster than most people can make money.

Thoughtless.7148:

im guessing you havent farmed much? you are right, there was no gun to my head, it was my choice. BUT consider the time involved, 600 dragons over a month or over 5 monthes is still 600 dragons. why should everyone be able to get in 5 dragons down rthe line because a small group complained hard enough

I’ve farmed enough to know that something’s got to give. It isn’t a small group of people either. Most folks don’t have legendaries therefore I bet if you asked the majority would be in favor of such a change.

In my opinion prestige items should never be awarded for doing what bots do. It rewards the type of behaviour that games should be discouraging.

One of the things needed for a legendary, that I feel promotes a healthy gaming goal, is this…
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Gift_of_Exploration
Did a rocket scientist come up with that, because compared to the other legendary requirements GoE is the only one that required a developer typing more than an RNG% or amass 250 of X + 250 0f Y.

Will.9785:

Thoughtless.7148:

im guessing you havent farmed much? you are right, there was no gun to my head, it was my choice. BUT consider the time involved, 600 dragons over a month or over 5 monthes is still 600 dragons. why should everyone be able to get in 5 dragons down rthe line because a small group complained hard enough

I’ve farmed enough to know that something’s got to give. It isn’t a small group of people either. Most folks don’t have legendaries therefore I bet if you asked the majority would be in favor of such a change.

if everyone has it, is it really legendary? of course you want a Lamborghini for the price of a civic…everyone would jump at that chance.

edit: thats actually a bad comparison as a Lamborghini is far superior to a civic, where as legendaries are exactly the same as exotics. i guess it would be like buying a 3 bedroom house house in Beverly hills as opposed to one in pasadena. same house, just the prestige makes one cost hundreds of thousands if not milions more

Thoughtless.7148:

if everyone has it, is it really legendary? of course you want a Lamborghini for the price of a civic…everyone would jump at that chance.

Even if the price of precursors dropped to something more reasonable, say 200-300g,
they would still cost a fortune because of everything else required to make them.

Thoughtless.7148:

if everyone has it, is it really legendary? of course you want a Lamborghini for the price of a civic…everyone would jump at that chance.

So now we know why you really made this post, you made a legendary and you don’t want other people to get theirs because then you wouldn’t feel special. Tough. Why should the fact that other people have something affect your enjoyment of the game? Here’s a hint: it shouldn’t. You my friend may have what’s known as a superiority complex.

If you bought a car for 50k last year, should someone looking to buy the same car months or years down the line pay more than you did? That’s not how it works in the real world. Part of the reason people pay more when stuff is new is because there is a premium attached to new items. Its no different here. You paid a premium to get your legendary before most people. The premium was your time and money. And you got to use it for weeks/months before most other people. Now prices should come down.

Quick Mouse.7635:

Thoughtless.7148:

if everyone has it, is it really legendary? of course you want a Lamborghini for the price of a civic…everyone would jump at that chance.

Even if the price of precursors dropped to something more reasonable, say 200-300g,
they would still cost a fortune because of everything else required to make them.

why not invest that money into a precursor? everything for a legendary is farmable, as i stated people complain about the precursor while paying 500+ for the mats for the gifts…in for a penny in for a pound, wouldn’t you say

Thoughtless.7148:

Will.9785:

Thoughtless.7148:

im guessing you havent farmed much? you are right, there was no gun to my head, it was my choice. BUT consider the time involved, 600 dragons over a month or over 5 monthes is still 600 dragons. why should everyone be able to get in 5 dragons down rthe line because a small group complained hard enough

I’ve farmed enough to know that something’s got to give. It isn’t a small group of people either. Most folks don’t have legendaries therefore I bet if you asked the majority would be in favor of such a change.

if everyone has it, is it really legendary? of course you want a Lamborghini for the price of a civic…everyone would jump at that chance.

actually precursors arent rarer because they have random attached to them, they are just measured in a simple way.
This means Anet says for every 1000 man hours of play 1 precursor drops. One could design content that takes 1000 man hours, or created content that take 1000 man hours to master, or any number of ways.

Also the whole rarity thing is an illusion, a lot of people like things not because how much they cost, but because of what they represent, or the actual quality of the item, or they just like the item. If i like my lamborgini, i really dont care how many other people have it.

Anet has represented legendary as the endgame actvity to aim for for people who hit 80. Not surprising that people actually want to to be able to make concrete progress toward this goal

Thoughtless.7148:

why not invest that money into a precursor? everything for a legendary is farmable, as i stated people complain about the precursor while paying 500+ for the mats for the gifts…in for a penny in for a pound, wouldn’t you say

Because not everyone has 500g lying around? Have you been reading what folks have been typing? The prices are going up faster than people can save. And its not an investment if you aren’t going to sell it by the way. And why would he waste money on a precursor as an investment if it wasn’t the one that he wants? How does that get him any closer to his goal? As the precursor he boughts value increases so will the one that he actually wants (probably by more actually since he couldn’t afford it to begin with so the base prices was higher).

Will.9785:

Thoughtless.7148:

if everyone has it, is it really legendary? of course you want a Lamborghini for the price of a civic…everyone would jump at that chance.

So now we know why you really made this post, you made a legendary and you don’t want other people to get theirs because then you wouldn’t feel special. Tough. Why should the fact that other people have something affect your enjoyment of the game? Here’s a hint: it shouldn’t. You my friend may have what’s known as a superiority complex.

If you bought a car for 50k last year, should someone looking to buy the same car months or years down the line pay more than you did?

you are equating a legendary to a run of the mill chevy or ford that lose 40% of the value the second you are off the lot, it is not a normal every day item.

i don’t have a superiority complex, i am truely overjoyed when a person who has tried so hard visiting jormag for ages finally get there’s . i have seen at least 15 precursors drop over the last 2-3 months, 1 of which was mine. i don’t advocate for them to be impossible to get, they are not at this time. i know a few of the people on here who complain and let me tell you, they are the ones that complain about not being able to get SoR’s red locations in wvw when they are on jade quarry…they feel they are entitled to get things without effort, and i do not support that

NOTE: JQ is the top server on tier 1, they gain every location in all of wvw, maybe not at the same time, at least 3 times a week. it is extremely simple, with some patience to finish off all the wvw maps within a week if you are on jade quarry

Thoughtless.7148:

Quick Mouse.7635:

Thoughtless.7148:

if everyone has it, is it really legendary? of course you want a Lamborghini for the price of a civic…everyone would jump at that chance.

Even if the price of precursors dropped to something more reasonable, say 200-300g,
they would still cost a fortune because of everything else required to make them.

why not invest that money into a precursor? everything for a legendary is farmable, as i stated people complain about the precursor while paying 500+ for the mats for the gifts…in for a penny in for a pound, wouldn’t you say

I paid nothing but my time for my mats and gifts. All I need is the precursor and I will never buy it off the TP. That’s not legendary, that a cop out. They need to come up with something other than the mystic crapper (or the LOL AFK autoattack Dragon chests) to get this item.

You want to see real mythical/legendary items, check EQ when they were introduced. Then check EQ 2 when Mythicals were first introduced. That’s a true legendary, not this piece of crap luck system.

Thoughtless.7148:

NOTE: JQ is the top server on tier 1, they gain every location in all of wvw, maybe not at the same time, at least 3 times a week. it is extremely simple, with some patience to finish off all the wvw maps within a week if you are on jade quarry

This I will agree with…for the people on our server. I finished 4 alts in all the PvP zones last week (main was done quite a while ago).

However, there are many servers that will never hold those points and people should not have to pay to leave their server to finish map completion.

Heijincks.9267:

That comparison is a really bad one. Legendaries aren’t bound by such things. They’re static.

So if they released new legendaries the prices should drop? Is that what you are saying? Just curious if you think they should ever go down and at what point you think that should be.

Fact is, if they were truly static they prices wouldn’t keep going up nonsensically b/c of greedy players and flippers. They have the same stats as exotics. The only difference is the skin and right now, for most people the juice isn’t worth the squeeze and it is becoming less and less so as time goes on. I’m not saying they should go rock bottom, but there needs to be something in place to keep the prices in check. They need to drop more often.

Xaaz.8472:

Thoughtless.7148:

NOTE: JQ is the top server on tier 1, they gain every location in all of wvw, maybe not at the same time, at least 3 times a week. it is extremely simple, with some patience to finish off all the wvw maps within a week if you are on jade quarry

This I will agree with…for the people on our server. I finished 4 alts in all the PvP zones last week (main was done quite a while ago).

However, there are many servers that will never hold those points and people should not have to pay to leave their server to finish map completion.

i wholeheartedly agree with that as i had to transfer to finish my wvw map, but the point was that the majority of people who spend their time to kitten about how hard it is to get a precursor are probably not even putting in the effort as they don’t put that effort into accomplishing far easier tasks

let me reiterate that i know a few of the characters associated with the accounts that argue the points that precursors are too hard to get

Thoughtless.7148:

i have seen at least 15 precursors drop over the last 2-3 months, 1 of which was mine. i don’t advocate for them to be impossible to get, they are not at this time.

It’s not impossible to hit the lottery either.

By the way, the WvW complaints are valid as those requirements are not solely dependent on the player. I got my world completion but it took me several months. I did not cheat and switch servers to do it. I wasn’t able to get it until I was able to amass 50+ people who needed the same points that I did. Not an easy task and not something that should be required of anyone. You talk about patience but you yourself changed servers to get it done sooner. Pot, meet kettle?

Will.9785:

Thoughtless.7148:

i have seen at least 15 precursors drop over the last 2-3 months, 1 of which was mine. i don’t advocate for them to be impossible to get, they are not at this time.

It’s not impossible to hit the lottery either.

you are right, there are winners every week/day across the country and the world, its nice to see you understand that there are always people out there getting precursors, just because it’s not you doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist

Including wvw for map completion was the epitomy of wishful thinking on the developers part. Way too many factors beyond any players control, that can completely block all progress towards map completion. Excluding that snafu, I still think gift of exploration is a good requirement from a design perspective.

Redfeather.6401:

Including wvw for map completion was the epitomy of wishful thinking on the developers part. Way too many factors beyond any players control that can completely block all progress towards map completion.

i agree, i had to get me my 1800 gems to transfer to finish wvw maps, though it doesn’t have to do with precursors lol that is a different problem

Will.9785:

Thoughtless.7148:

im guessing you havent farmed much? you are right, there was no gun to my head, it was my choice. BUT consider the time involved, 600 dragons over a month or over 5 monthes is still 600 dragons. why should everyone be able to get in 5 dragons down rthe line because a small group complained hard enough

I’ve farmed enough to know that something’s got to give. It isn’t a small group of people either. Most folks don’t have legendaries therefore I bet if you asked the majority would be in favor of such a change.

Of course the vast majority would be in favor of a change if it made it easier to get. That does not make the vast majority in the “right.” So whats your argument here? Anyone can make general statements, but just because you are stating facts does not mean you have generated an argument from the facts.

Anet has stated that not everyone will be able to get a legendary. They have said that most casuals probably will not get that far. Is there anything wrong with this? No, because a legendary does not offer anything more than lowest costing lvl 80 exotic besides looks.

People always complain about the precursor, yet the other gifts required take just as much farm if not more farm depending on which legendary you want. Yesterday in another topic I calculated the price of the gift of fortune to be 509g if you receive average luck on RNG for the clovers. This price is above the costs of some of the precursors.

The gift of fortune is just as market dependent as the precursor is. Yet, people avoid complaining about it. People claim that precursors are controlled by a small few, yet they do not bring hard evidence to the table about this being so.

Thoughtless.7148:

Xaaz.8472:

Thoughtless.7148:

NOTE: JQ is the top server on tier 1, they gain every location in all of wvw, maybe not at the same time, at least 3 times a week. it is extremely simple, with some patience to finish off all the wvw maps within a week if you are on jade quarry

This I will agree with…for the people on our server. I finished 4 alts in all the PvP zones last week (main was done quite a while ago).

However, there are many servers that will never hold those points and people should not have to pay to leave their server to finish map completion.

i wholeheartedly agree with that as i had to transfer to finish my wvw map, but the point was that the majority of people who spend their time to kitten about how hard it is to get a precursor are probably not even putting in the effort as they don’t put that effort into accomplishing far easier tasks

let me reiterate that i know a few of the characters associated with the accounts that argue the points that precursors are too hard to get

Just want to pose a question to you…from someone who thinks precursors are out of whack.

Map completion complete on 3 characters – 100%, 2 others at 78ish (with WvW done), 1 noob alt with WvW done and about 14%.

All dungeons complete except Arah 4 (close but not quite finished)
Fractals 28 with 30 AR
More dungeon tokens than I know what to do with.
More Badges of Honor than I know what to do with.
Few hundred Dragons events

Never have seen a precursor as a drop, a chest, or a forge.

So, with the above info, would you say I have “played the game” enough to have a precursor?

If your answer is yes, the problem is with the game and the RNG. If your answer is no, I’d like to know “why” other than you are unlucky.

My only beef with precursor’s and well the majority of the legendary process is that it’s 100% rng/luck based, there is no skill what so ever involved with getting one, heck I saw someone the other day get a precursor off one of those exploding chickens that you can 1-2 shot in cursed shore, its get lucky or turn your self into a gold farmer to get a legendary, very lame in my opinion but non the less fairly easy to get in time.

Most games that have a Legendary or there version of “The” ultimate endgame weapon usually involves accomplishing an incredibly difficult feat, like mastering the hardest PvE content, or fighting the toughest opponents in pvp, or any variation of the 2 or other, but regardless of which path one takes its a symbol of a very accomplished skilled player, unlike here where its gratz you mastered farming!

Thoughtless.7148:

if everyone has it, is it really legendary? of course you want a Lamborghini for the price of a civic…everyone would jump at that chance.

What you have right now isnt a Legendary either.

You didnt work hard for it. You farmed dirt easy dragon events until you won the lottery. You did nothing that comes remotely close to “legendary”.

There’s no prestigious connotation with Legendaries anymore (like in your Lamborghini analogy). The only people with them are either lucky, no life farmers, or stupid and rich… none of them are legendary.

It doesn’t matter if you think they are fine, ArenaNet does not agree. They have said they don’t like the precursor market at the moment and they will do something to remedy it. Whether that’s scavenger hunt, drop rates, or something totally new remains to be seen. It is fairly obvious the ever increasing price was not an intended design decision.

Your whole position is based on the fact that you were lucky enough to get one and now justify it with how you “worked hard” to get it. Well there are a lot of people “working hard” to get it and if you were one of those people I seriously doubt you would be of the same opinion. This super RNG aspect of the legendary is just not fun and poorly designed, a relic of the past as it were. All the other steps are fine and allow for any player to slowly work their way up. But with precursors ever increasing prices, with no end in sight, the final step will be out of reach. The precursor should be some legendary style, long, maybe a little grindy quest. Something people actually remember, not “I bought it off the TP” or “I spammed 2 on easymode dragon fights” memories.

Finally, I find it laughable that you even consider dragon fights “work”, as you can literally afk/autoshoot and get your precursor. Not epic, bad game design. End of story.

Mr op, can we test ur luck on 1v1 to make sure if u deserve a legendary?

Current method of obtaining pre from mf is just bs, i have spend 400g total trying to get one, 200 with exotics, 200 with rares, right now i trying to farm one doing cof like zombie. Legendary progress yay.

We should have at least 10% chance to drop precurson from 40+ lv fractals, not everyone can get there, and believe me its takes a bit of skill.

EverythingXen.1835:

Thoughtless.7148:

if everyone has it, is it really legendary? of course you want a Lamborghini for the price of a civic…everyone would jump at that chance.

What you have right now isnt a Legendary either.

You didnt work hard for it. You farmed dirt easy dragon events until you won the lottery. You did nothing that comes remotely close to “legendary”.

There’s no prestigious connotation with Legendaries anymore (like in your Lamborghini analogy). The only people with them are either lucky, no life farmers, or stupid and rich… none of them are legendary.

I disagree. There are aspects of it that are prestigious, let’s not go crazy. The 100% map completion, dungeon tokens (although should be more), and WvW tokens to show that the player has done many different things. The precursor aspect of it is obviously not one of those prestigious things. The act that you can buy it straight off the TP does kill it a little, but how many can really afford to do that?