Guild Wars 2

is there any way to get the high level champ train farming out of queensdales.you so much as look at a champ withy out the train and you get blasted by the whole train.but cant blame them why go any where else when you can get high level loot in starting zone.its alot easier then fighting high level champs for same loot.but if you have to farm in starting area be nice we have new players on all the timethey wont know not to activate the champ troll its thier area let them have fun

If level 80s are farming the champ train in Queensdale, they don’t know how to farm. It’s 100x more efficient to farm in Frostgorge. The only reason to farm champ trains in Queensdale is to level up your low level characters. It’s a waste of time otherwise.

What Galtrix said. If they are truly concerned about farming they should go somewhere more efficient, like Frostgorge.
But also they don’t own the map. Do what you want. If the champs up and there’s enough of you to do it…then do it.

I am getting a bit tired of these posts as they come off to me as trolling attempts to get things removed they don’t care to participate in. But instead of eating an infraction by calling a troll post a troll post, I will instead lend you some insight.

Do you have any idea how underused these low level maps are when there is no content there for higher level characters to utilize? The maps are DEAD. The people who complain about champ farms are the same who complain about how dead maps are, when there is no content for higher level characters to return to that map for.

Now, with the champ thing going on, you have a choice of methods to level your character. You can LEVEL your character via the champ train, or do the whole heart/discovery thing if you are truely new to the game.

Do you know what happens to truely new players that take on the Troll champ? They faceroll die in 2-3 seconds.

Nuff said.

At least on my server, a large amount of the folks there do so to level, or to generate money to gear whilst leveling. Others will do so because it’s easier to reach the champs than at Frostgorge (I have a very new machine and can keep up so FGS is where I usually go to farm, but I do dailies in Queensdale), and yet others do so because they can hit many events and thus work on karma.

The OP should notice that it’s usually only one or two folks who complain about champs getting killed; I’ve never seen a whole group of farmers on these champ farms tear into non-farmers. I do, however, see someone who gets grief from one or two people claim that the whole zerg is going after them, even when many in said zerg tell the person hollering that they need to simmer down and chill.

OP needs to simmer down and chill. Just report folks who are rude, ANet deals with them.

GOSU.9574:

Do you have any idea how underused these low level maps are when there is no content there for higher level characters to utilize? The maps are DEAD. The people who complain about champ farms are the same who complain about how dead maps are, when there is no content for higher level characters to return to that map for.

This is true…..except for the map in question. Queensdale is always populated. It was long before champ trains, due to the commonly popping events especially around Vale Waypoint. Now if we were talking Caladan Forest or Plains Of Ashford, then you’d have a valid point. If there’s going to be trains on one low level map, the others should have them too to spread these around instead on condensing even more into Queensdale. You’d swear the way some people play, Queensdale is the only map in the game.

This Queensdale farming probably wouldn’t be happening if Anet hadn’t made Pent-Shelt in Cursed Shores impossible to do. This is just a replacement for that.

Folks in Queensdale are normally not farming for gold/mats.

They are there for events.

The champ train in Frostgorge does not fulfill the event requirement for dailies/monthly.

This has been posted before, but threads move very quickly here and get buried.

I often pop into Queensdale when the daily requires events, there are folks from my server community that I know will be there and enjoy being social in chat. (I also often head to the other lowbie zones – including Ashford and Wayfarer being very careful not to overdo my damage if I happen to be playing a level 80.) I am most often on an alt also leveling.

In Queensdale, folks new to the game find a busy zone, have opportunities to ask questions, get help, join guilds, and yes, even this week, I had a chance to explain to several new folks how to start the Boar and the Troll events. I’ve seen more groups forming for CM again (with at level players.)

Yes, there have been the days when someone decides to try and solo champs. Yes, they have the right to play the game the way they want. Yes, there have been unpleasant chat discussions. A reminder that the community is a community usually gets things back on track fairly quickly and chat subsides.

Yes, I was one of the first folks concerned about the negative impact on new players and lowbies back when laurel rewards for dailies was implemented. And one of the first to voice that concern on this forum. And there are still issues sometimes when champs get pulled too quickly before everyone can arrive to get credit. A reminder in chat to slow down often fixes that.

I’ve also seen repeated instances of new folks being delighted with the ease and fun of joining the champ train and the questions about whether it is the best way to level. The response is almost always that doing hearts and stories is better and often leads into discussions about crafting, exploring, WvW and other areas that help inform new players.

@OP: I agree that being rude in chat, name calling etcetera is not acceptable. Report where necessary. /block is always an option. And understanding and being tolerant of folks who may not know about the zerg custom is a good opportunity to share info and let them make their own decisions about joining or not. Certainly prepares them, somewhat, for the train in Frostgorge. Which also often comes up in chat.

I use the train to finish off my monthlies. It’s pretty low profit in comparison to anything else in the game and is only used to finish dailies/ monthlies and level up. More efficient way to finish the monthly is to catch a scarlet invasion, but scarlet comes up every 3 hours and most days I have under an hour that I can spend gaming.
To the OP. It’s not the trains fault, but select individuals in the train fault. If they’re being rude to you report them in.

The Queensdale champs count as events and drop Karma – the Frostgorge ones don’t. 80’s running Queensdale are doing so for events (to finish monthlies and dailies) and Karma.

Okay, that said – OP needs to report champ runners who are acting in a kitteny manner. A lot of us get that the champs don’t just belong to us and if another player or group killed it, that’s totally cool. We’ll just move to the next and if the whole “train” isn’t working, we’ll just take a break and try again later.

Also, OP, make use of the most wonderful tool Anet gave you – the block button.

robert.3475:

is there any way to get the high level champ train farming out of queensdales.you so much as look at a champ withy out the train and you get blasted by the whole train.but cant blame them why go any where else when you can get high level loot in starting zone.its alot easier then fighting high level champs for same loot.but if you have to farm in starting area be nice we have new players on all the timethey wont know not to activate the champ troll its thier area let them have fun

There’s another way to look at this: traditional MMOs (think EQ 10 years ago) had long respawn cycles (sometimes days) on bosses that dropped better loot, and those bosses would drop only a few such pieces of loot, for which players would then need to agree on the recipient. This put not just individual players, but sometimes groups, guilds, or raids in competition with each other for those spawns and therefore that loot.

GW2 bosses drop loot to individuals, not a guaranteed Exotic of course, but much more generously than one piece per kill of a Tequatl class boss. GW2 bosses spawn far more frequently. Seems the more people engage the boss, the more total loot will drop.

So we’re now in a situation where the community as a whole benefits (ie gets more loot, not to mention champion-kill-count credit, group-event-count credit, zone-event-count credit, and event-count credit toward dailies and monthlies) if more of us are involved in the killing of an every-x-minutes-spawn champ or zone boss.

This is about teamwork and community — maximizing rewards to the community as a whole.

As to combat, I agree the champ train is shooting fish in a barrel. So are a lot of other things in GW2, such as leveling to 80 doing hearts, events, dailies, and zone completions in below-level zones. There are essentially no at level players capable of taking the Queensdale champs in a group of less than 10, and I haven’t seen an organized group of 10 or more at level players in Queensdale since the first week after release. So this is about above level players who want to take below level champs solo or in small groups, as a challenge — or who object to shooting fish in a barrel. For such people, I offer a wide variety of champs in Orr and mid level zones which have been underutilized since a few weeks after release.

As to the dailies and monthlies, I consider those taxes on my time to be paid at the least cost in time. I become part of the Queensdale champ train to efficiently meet certain daily and monthly kill and event quotas. Yes, that’s shooting fish in a barrel. It’s also sharing the limited spawn resource efficiently across the community, and minimizing my time to pay those taxes.

bewhatever.2390:

So we’re now in a situation where the community as a whole benefits (ie gets more loot, not to mention champion-kill-count credit, group-event-count credit, zone-event-count credit, and event-count credit toward dailies and monthlies) if more of us are involved in the killing of an every-x-minutes-spawn champ or zone boss.

This is about teamwork and community — maximizing rewards to the community as a whole.

This is a constant source of conflict on my server, Sea of Sorrows.

Many of the things in bewhatever’s post are the arguments that take place in map chat every day. “It’s about community,” “the good of the train > the good for an individual,” and so on and so forth. Following the zerg is suddenly the path to enlightenment and the moral high ground.

It’s a valid point to say that “if everyone follows the zerg, then more people reap the benefits,” but GW2 is a game, and the entire point of a game is to have fun. People should be allowed to play how they like—particularly in a beginner zone—without causing a massive argument about how selfish they are.

Imagi.4561:

bewhatever.2390:

So we’re now in a situation where the community as a whole benefits (ie gets more loot, not to mention champion-kill-count credit, group-event-count credit, zone-event-count credit, and event-count credit toward dailies and monthlies) if more of us are involved in the killing of an every-x-minutes-spawn champ or zone boss.

This is about teamwork and community — maximizing rewards to the community as a whole.

This is a constant source of conflict on my server, Sea of Sorrows.

Many of the things in bewhatever’s post are the arguments that take place in map chat every day. “It’s about community,” “the good of the train > the good for an individual,” and so on and so forth. Following the zerg is suddenly the path to enlightenment and the moral high ground.

It’s a valid point to say that “if everyone follows the zerg, then more people reap the benefits,” but GW2 is a game, and the entire point of a game is to have fun. People should be allowed to play how they like—particularly in a beginner zone—without causing a massive argument about how selfish they are.

You are correct, yes, there is conflict over the Queensdale champ train, with very strong (and valid) feelings on all sides. Well, except griefers, they can go hang.

I think it’s a testament to ArenaNet that this conflict is over the style in which lowbie zone champions are taken down, and not about rare spawns (EQ) or loot distribution (WoW raiding in the early days comes to mind, but this was the custom in MMOs a decade ago).

But yes, having incentives which cause 80s to champ train the lowbie zone perhaps wasn’t well thought through. On the whole, I’d rather have this problem than a lot of others I’ve seen in 8 previous MMOs.

One thing to bear in mind is that the mentality of people in the train will vary between servers (and be different on different days).

I’ve guested on a lot of different EU servers and I’ve seen everything from trains who don’t seem to care – if a champ is taken down without them they just adjust their rotation, to servers where one or more people were regularly warning everyone in the map that if they’re not in the train they should not do those events at all, should ideally stay completely out of the areas where they occur and if they’re not a new player with a new character they should go to a different map all together to keep out the way. You can imagine how it went over when someone didn’t follow their rules…

On most servers it’s probably not a problem most of the time, but some people can get really horrible about it and especially in a starter zone where there’s a good chance this will be a new players first impression of the community that’s not good.