Guild Wars 2

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Swoo.5079:

GW2 is way bigger than Prophecies was at release.

Interestingly people like to throw around tons of numbers
Those are called facts, it’s what people tend to use in arguments
but they don’t like to throw number of professions and number of races.
gw1 had more professions… not at release no, but gw2 is not at release, it’s been out for over a year
They also don’t like to talk about crafting.
Because it’s boring as kitten
GW1 added very few in terms of free content.
And that’s why the content added in gw1 vastly superior. Free =/= better
People just don’t understand that GW1 basically had a tiny Live Team while GW2 has a decently sized live team.
Indeed, gw2 has a lot more developers working on it. So why are we getting less?

Guild Wars 2 at release has indeed more content than Guild Wars 1 at release. But in the end, gw1 got tons more content and guild wars 2 is not at release anymore.

Guild wars 2 was bigger than guild wars 1 after all it’s updates.

You are comparing GW2 to GW Prophecies right? I would hope so.

Guild wars 2 to all of gw1.

timmyf.1490:

Nat.4029:

Asumita.2174:

timmyf.1490:

Does anybody else think it’s possible that they have a huge content addition sitting around and waiting for the releases of TESO/Wildstart/EQN and they’ll drop it at the same time to keep people around?

I get the feeling that they’re building something and just not talking about it.

That’s exactly what wow does, and it works. Expansion release around other prominent titles is like using heat to cook. No heat, you can’t cook, period.

It’s all a matter of when. Mists of Pandaria hit not long after GW2 launched right? And it was announced a good bit before that. If they are wanting something to hit when these new MMOs do, then they need to start announcing. And as far as Wildstar goes…isn’t it published by NCSoft? They aren’t going to let GW2 take away any of it’s glory.

Yeah, so this is a really good point. I would say this: boxed expansions require substantial notification and lead time because you have to get the boxes to retailers. Gem Store expansions would not require much lead time. Free expansions would not require much lead time.

Can you imagine if, the week before Wildstar and ESO hit, ArenaNet says “Boom. Travel to Elona unlocked next week. Enjoy.”

That would be amazingly awesome, but I put the probability of that happening at about .0000002%. Or the drop rate of a precursor.

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Swoo.5079:

GW2 is way bigger than Prophecies was at release.

Interestingly people like to throw around tons of numbers
Those are called facts, it’s what people tend to use in arguments
but they don’t like to throw number of professions and number of races.
gw1 had more professions… not at release no, but gw2 is not at release, it’s been out for over a year
They also don’t like to talk about crafting.
Because it’s boring as kitten
GW1 added very few in terms of free content.
And that’s why the content added in gw1 vastly superior. Free =/= better
People just don’t understand that GW1 basically had a tiny Live Team while GW2 has a decently sized live team.
Indeed, gw2 has a lot more developers working on it. So why are we getting less?

Guild Wars 2 at release has indeed more content than Guild Wars 1 at release. But in the end, gw1 got tons more content and guild wars 2 is not at release anymore.

Guild wars 2 was bigger than guild wars 1 after all it’s updates.

You are comparing GW2 to GW Prophecies right? I would hope so.

Guild wars 2 to all of gw1.

LOL, you’re funny. I’ve been having a crappy day at work. I needed that.

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Swoo.5079:

GW2 is way bigger than Prophecies was at release.

Interestingly people like to throw around tons of numbers
Those are called facts, it’s what people tend to use in arguments
but they don’t like to throw number of professions and number of races.
gw1 had more professions… not at release no, but gw2 is not at release, it’s been out for over a year
They also don’t like to talk about crafting.
Because it’s boring as kitten
GW1 added very few in terms of free content.
And that’s why the content added in gw1 vastly superior. Free =/= better
People just don’t understand that GW1 basically had a tiny Live Team while GW2 has a decently sized live team.
Indeed, gw2 has a lot more developers working on it. So why are we getting less?

Guild Wars 2 at release has indeed more content than Guild Wars 1 at release. But in the end, gw1 got tons more content and guild wars 2 is not at release anymore.

Guild wars 2 was bigger than guild wars 1 after all it’s updates.

You are comparing GW2 to GW Prophecies right? I would hope so.

Guild wars 2 to all of gw1.

LOL, you’re funny. I’ve been having a crappy day at work. I needed that.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

Nat.4029:

timmyf.1490:

Nat.4029:

Asumita.2174:

timmyf.1490:

Does anybody else think it’s possible that they have a huge content addition sitting around and waiting for the releases of TESO/Wildstart/EQN and they’ll drop it at the same time to keep people around?

I get the feeling that they’re building something and just not talking about it.

That’s exactly what wow does, and it works. Expansion release around other prominent titles is like using heat to cook. No heat, you can’t cook, period.

It’s all a matter of when. Mists of Pandaria hit not long after GW2 launched right? And it was announced a good bit before that. If they are wanting something to hit when these new MMOs do, then they need to start announcing. And as far as Wildstar goes…isn’t it published by NCSoft? They aren’t going to let GW2 take away any of it’s glory.

Yeah, so this is a really good point. I would say this: boxed expansions require substantial notification and lead time because you have to get the boxes to retailers. Gem Store expansions would not require much lead time. Free expansions would not require much lead time.

Can you imagine if, the week before Wildstar and ESO hit, ArenaNet says “Boom. Travel to Elona unlocked next week. Enjoy.”

That would be amazingly awesome, but I put the probability of that happening at about .0000002%. Or the drop rate of a precursor.

You’re probably right. Of course, that’s also what we would have said about the probability of destroying Lion’s Arch three months ago.

I think they could do it in stages: we start off on Istan but can’t get to the mainland yet. We need to build up reinforcements, yada yada. A couple months later, we can head into the mainland, but we slowly, over 4-6 months, have to fight our way inland.

I know, I know, I’m dreaming… but they seriously could do this. If I can think of it, I’m sure they’ve thought about it…

Nat.4029:

timmyf.1490:

Nat.4029:

Asumita.2174:

timmyf.1490:

Does anybody else think it’s possible that they have a huge content addition sitting around and waiting for the releases of TESO/Wildstart/EQN and they’ll drop it at the same time to keep people around?

I get the feeling that they’re building something and just not talking about it.

That’s exactly what wow does, and it works. Expansion release around other prominent titles is like using heat to cook. No heat, you can’t cook, period.

It’s all a matter of when. Mists of Pandaria hit not long after GW2 launched right? And it was announced a good bit before that. If they are wanting something to hit when these new MMOs do, then they need to start announcing. And as far as Wildstar goes…isn’t it published by NCSoft? They aren’t going to let GW2 take away any of it’s glory.

Yeah, so this is a really good point. I would say this: boxed expansions require substantial notification and lead time because you have to get the boxes to retailers. Gem Store expansions would not require much lead time. Free expansions would not require much lead time.

Can you imagine if, the week before Wildstar and ESO hit, ArenaNet says “Boom. Travel to Elona unlocked next week. Enjoy.”

That would be amazingly awesome, but I put the probability of that happening at about .0000002%. Or the drop rate of a precursor.

People will so stick with the game if that happens. But it will make too much sense. They rather play with the gem market.

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Swoo.5079:

GW2 is way bigger than Prophecies was at release.

Interestingly people like to throw around tons of numbers
Those are called facts, it’s what people tend to use in arguments
but they don’t like to throw number of professions and number of races.
gw1 had more professions… not at release no, but gw2 is not at release, it’s been out for over a year
They also don’t like to talk about crafting.
Because it’s boring as kitten
GW1 added very few in terms of free content.
And that’s why the content added in gw1 vastly superior. Free =/= better
People just don’t understand that GW1 basically had a tiny Live Team while GW2 has a decently sized live team.
Indeed, gw2 has a lot more developers working on it. So why are we getting less?

Guild Wars 2 at release has indeed more content than Guild Wars 1 at release. But in the end, gw1 got tons more content and guild wars 2 is not at release anymore.

Guild wars 2 was bigger than guild wars 1 after all it’s updates.

You are comparing GW2 to GW Prophecies right? I would hope so.

Guild wars 2 to all of gw1.

LOL, you’re funny. I’ve been having a crappy day at work. I needed that.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I played GW1 for 4000 hours, and didn’t do everything there was to do. It has at least twice the amount of content that GW2 has at present. Tyria+EotN expansion areas, Elona, Cantha. As I said…

You’re a funny guy, Sully.

GW1’s titles were more fun to work towards too. It took me quite a while to get the Legendary Vanquisher title. GW2 needs more things like that to work toward in the end game.

silvermember.8941:

Guild wars 2 was bigger than guild wars 1 after all it’s updates.

Yeah… after reading that part I can’t take anything else you said seriously anymore.

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Swoo.5079:

GW2 is way bigger than Prophecies was at release.

Interestingly people like to throw around tons of numbers
Those are called facts, it’s what people tend to use in arguments
but they don’t like to throw number of professions and number of races.
gw1 had more professions… not at release no, but gw2 is not at release, it’s been out for over a year
They also don’t like to talk about crafting.
Because it’s boring as kitten
GW1 added very few in terms of free content.
And that’s why the content added in gw1 vastly superior. Free =/= better
People just don’t understand that GW1 basically had a tiny Live Team while GW2 has a decently sized live team.
Indeed, gw2 has a lot more developers working on it. So why are we getting less?

Guild Wars 2 at release has indeed more content than Guild Wars 1 at release. But in the end, gw1 got tons more content and guild wars 2 is not at release anymore.

Guild wars 2 was bigger than guild wars 1 after all it’s updates.

You are comparing GW2 to GW Prophecies right? I would hope so.

Guild wars 2 to all of gw1.

LOL, you’re funny. I’ve been having a crappy day at work. I needed that.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I played GW1 for 4000 hours, and didn’t do everything there was to do. It has at least twice the amount of content that GW2 has at present. Tyria+EotN expansion areas, Elona, Cantha. As I said…

You’re a funny guy, Sully.

You are right, guild wars 2 at release guild wars 2 was only bigger than phophecies + 1 stand alone. so they got only 5 more years to get more “content” than gw 1.

Edit: Never mind i was right. guild wars 2 is bigger than all of guild wars 1 including the expansion. Assuming you trust what Colin had to say about it.

CJ: From a sheer content perspective, volume of game space and stuff you can do, the first Guild Wars with all the expansion packs is about the same size as Guild Wars 2 will be on release – it’s massive.

Proof

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Swoo.5079:

GW2 is way bigger than Prophecies was at release.

Interestingly people like to throw around tons of numbers
Those are called facts, it’s what people tend to use in arguments
but they don’t like to throw number of professions and number of races.
gw1 had more professions… not at release no, but gw2 is not at release, it’s been out for over a year
They also don’t like to talk about crafting.
Because it’s boring as kitten
GW1 added very few in terms of free content.
And that’s why the content added in gw1 vastly superior. Free =/= better
People just don’t understand that GW1 basically had a tiny Live Team while GW2 has a decently sized live team.
Indeed, gw2 has a lot more developers working on it. So why are we getting less?

Guild Wars 2 at release has indeed more content than Guild Wars 1 at release. But in the end, gw1 got tons more content and guild wars 2 is not at release anymore.

Guild wars 2 was bigger than guild wars 1 after all it’s updates.

You are comparing GW2 to GW Prophecies right? I would hope so.

Guild wars 2 to all of gw1.

LOL, you’re funny. I’ve been having a crappy day at work. I needed that.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I played GW1 for 4000 hours, and didn’t do everything there was to do. It has at least twice the amount of content that GW2 has at present. Tyria+EotN expansion areas, Elona, Cantha. As I said…

You’re a funny guy, Sully.

You are right, guild wars 2 at release guild wars 2 was only bigger than phophecies + 1 stand alone. so they got only 5 more years to get more “content” than gw 1.

That’s all we want. And I’d say GW2 at present(not at release) has more content than GW Prophecies + about half of Factions. But we can argue this all day…. I hope GW2’s content ends up more than doubling that of GW1 in the long run.

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Swoo.5079:

GW2 is way bigger than Prophecies was at release.

Interestingly people like to throw around tons of numbers
Those are called facts, it’s what people tend to use in arguments
but they don’t like to throw number of professions and number of races.
gw1 had more professions… not at release no, but gw2 is not at release, it’s been out for over a year
They also don’t like to talk about crafting.
Because it’s boring as kitten
GW1 added very few in terms of free content.
And that’s why the content added in gw1 vastly superior. Free =/= better
People just don’t understand that GW1 basically had a tiny Live Team while GW2 has a decently sized live team.
Indeed, gw2 has a lot more developers working on it. So why are we getting less?

Guild Wars 2 at release has indeed more content than Guild Wars 1 at release. But in the end, gw1 got tons more content and guild wars 2 is not at release anymore.

Guild wars 2 was bigger than guild wars 1 after all it’s updates.

You are comparing GW2 to GW Prophecies right? I would hope so.

Guild wars 2 to all of gw1.

LOL, you’re funny. I’ve been having a crappy day at work. I needed that.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I played GW1 for 4000 hours, and didn’t do everything there was to do. It has at least twice the amount of content that GW2 has at present. Tyria+EotN expansion areas, Elona, Cantha. As I said…

You’re a funny guy, Sully.

You are right, guild wars 2 at release guild wars 2 was only bigger than phophecies + 1 stand alone. so they got only 5 more years to get more “content” than gw 1.

That’s all we want. And I’d say GW2 at present(not at release) has more content than GW Prophecies + about half of Factions. But we can argue this all day…. I hope GW2’s content ends up more than doubling that of GW1 in the long run.

Actually, i was right. Colin before release said guild wars 2 at release was bigger than ALL of guild wars 1.

So there. Read above for the link and proof.

Nice try though.

silvermember.8941:

Actually, i was right. Colin before release said guild wars 2 at release was bigger than ALL of guild wars 1.

So there. Read above for the link and proof.

Thanks for playing.

If Colin said that, I’m going to have to disagree with him. (I don’t see your link.)

To me, GW2 is roughly the size of GW1 after Factions came out. I think most of us just had higher expectations for the velocity of new content in GW2 and have been a bit disappointed that we haven’t gotten to explore more of the world.

stale.9785:

Speak for yourself. I had far more fun in GW1 than I’ve had so far in GW2. I’m still waiting because the potential is there. Soon enough alternatives will be on the market, and lots of folks won’t have to wait – they’ll just move on.

Amen!

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Swoo.5079:

GW2 is way bigger than Prophecies was at release.

Interestingly people like to throw around tons of numbers
Those are called facts, it’s what people tend to use in arguments
but they don’t like to throw number of professions and number of races.
gw1 had more professions… not at release no, but gw2 is not at release, it’s been out for over a year
They also don’t like to talk about crafting.
Because it’s boring as kitten
GW1 added very few in terms of free content.
And that’s why the content added in gw1 vastly superior. Free =/= better
People just don’t understand that GW1 basically had a tiny Live Team while GW2 has a decently sized live team.
Indeed, gw2 has a lot more developers working on it. So why are we getting less?

Guild Wars 2 at release has indeed more content than Guild Wars 1 at release. But in the end, gw1 got tons more content and guild wars 2 is not at release anymore.

Guild wars 2 was bigger than guild wars 1 after all it’s updates.

You are comparing GW2 to GW Prophecies right? I would hope so.

Guild wars 2 to all of gw1.

LOL, you’re funny. I’ve been having a crappy day at work. I needed that.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I played GW1 for 4000 hours, and didn’t do everything there was to do. It has at least twice the amount of content that GW2 has at present. Tyria+EotN expansion areas, Elona, Cantha. As I said…

You’re a funny guy, Sully.

You are right, guild wars 2 at release guild wars 2 was only bigger than phophecies + 1 stand alone. so they got only 5 more years to get more “content” than gw 1.

That’s all we want. And I’d say GW2 at present(not at release) has more content than GW Prophecies + about half of Factions. But we can argue this all day…. I hope GW2’s content ends up more than doubling that of GW1 in the long run.

Actually, i was right. Colin before release said guild wars 2 at release was bigger than ALL of guild wars 1.

So there. Read above for the link and proof.

Nice try though.

I remember seeing that quote. It’s all in the marketing. Of course they would say something like that, while using wording like “about the size”. They want everyone to think it IS more massive. So GW fanboys (like myself) and newcomers alike will be drooling… “Just as big as ALL of Guild Wars??? faints”

I’ve played through both games and that’s complete BS. GW2 is a large game, and it’s a game that I like a lot. (although it could be improved tenfold) I can honestly say though, that right now, it does not have the amount that GW1 had. It just doesn’t. That’s all delusional marketing that worked on me and many others.

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Swoo.5079:

GW2 is way bigger than Prophecies was at release.

Interestingly people like to throw around tons of numbers
Those are called facts, it’s what people tend to use in arguments
but they don’t like to throw number of professions and number of races.
gw1 had more professions… not at release no, but gw2 is not at release, it’s been out for over a year
They also don’t like to talk about crafting.
Because it’s boring as kitten
GW1 added very few in terms of free content.
And that’s why the content added in gw1 vastly superior. Free =/= better
People just don’t understand that GW1 basically had a tiny Live Team while GW2 has a decently sized live team.
Indeed, gw2 has a lot more developers working on it. So why are we getting less?

Guild Wars 2 at release has indeed more content than Guild Wars 1 at release. But in the end, gw1 got tons more content and guild wars 2 is not at release anymore.

Guild wars 2 was bigger than guild wars 1 after all it’s updates.

You are comparing GW2 to GW Prophecies right? I would hope so.

Guild wars 2 to all of gw1.

LOL, you’re funny. I’ve been having a crappy day at work. I needed that.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I played GW1 for 4000 hours, and didn’t do everything there was to do. It has at least twice the amount of content that GW2 has at present. Tyria+EotN expansion areas, Elona, Cantha. As I said…

You’re a funny guy, Sully.

You are right, guild wars 2 at release guild wars 2 was only bigger than phophecies + 1 stand alone. so they got only 5 more years to get more “content” than gw 1.

That’s all we want. And I’d say GW2 at present(not at release) has more content than GW Prophecies + about half of Factions. But we can argue this all day…. I hope GW2’s content ends up more than doubling that of GW1 in the long run.

Actually, i was right. Colin before release said guild wars 2 at release was bigger than ALL of guild wars 1.

So there. Read above for the link and proof.

Nice try though.

I remember seeing that quote. It’s all in the marketing. Of course they would say something like that, while using wording like “about the size”. They want everyone to think it IS more massive. So GW fanboys (like myself) and newcomers alike will be drooling… “Just as big as ALL of Guild Wars??? faints”

I’ve played through both games and that’s complete BS. GW2 is a large game, and it’s a game that I like a lot. (although it could be improved tenfold) I can honestly say though, that right now, it does not have the amount that GW1 had. It just doesn’t. That’s all delusional marketing that worked on me and many others.

I see, so when it suits your purpose fact is fact, but when it goes against your belief it is marketing.

I want to say I am sorry for backing up my claims with facts. I keep forgetting that certain people once they made up their minds it cannot be changed and facts be kitten ed.

By any chance do you subscribe the Fox News?

ADDED: anyways, i m going to peace out here because we can both agree arguing on this forum is a bigger waste of time than doing absolutely nothing.

silvermember.8941:

Actually, i was right. Colin before release said guild wars 2 at release was bigger than ALL of guild wars 1.

So there. Read above for the link and proof.

Thanks for playing.

First off “Someone said that..” is not proof. Colin is wrong, plain and simple.
Second, they are talking about Guild Wars 2 PvP, not the entire game.

Nice try though.

Did you know I have wings? Yes that’s right, I can breath fire and read minds too. And since I know myself better than anyone else it must be the truth right? After all, I said so.

See what I did there?

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Swoo.5079:

GW2 is way bigger than Prophecies was at release.

Interestingly people like to throw around tons of numbers
Those are called facts, it’s what people tend to use in arguments
but they don’t like to throw number of professions and number of races.
gw1 had more professions… not at release no, but gw2 is not at release, it’s been out for over a year
They also don’t like to talk about crafting.
Because it’s boring as kitten
GW1 added very few in terms of free content.
And that’s why the content added in gw1 vastly superior. Free =/= better
People just don’t understand that GW1 basically had a tiny Live Team while GW2 has a decently sized live team.
Indeed, gw2 has a lot more developers working on it. So why are we getting less?

Guild Wars 2 at release has indeed more content than Guild Wars 1 at release. But in the end, gw1 got tons more content and guild wars 2 is not at release anymore.

Guild wars 2 was bigger than guild wars 1 after all it’s updates.

You are comparing GW2 to GW Prophecies right? I would hope so.

Guild wars 2 to all of gw1.

LOL, you’re funny. I’ve been having a crappy day at work. I needed that.

Whatever helps you sleep at night.

I played GW1 for 4000 hours, and didn’t do everything there was to do. It has at least twice the amount of content that GW2 has at present. Tyria+EotN expansion areas, Elona, Cantha. As I said…

You’re a funny guy, Sully.

You are right, guild wars 2 at release guild wars 2 was only bigger than phophecies + 1 stand alone. so they got only 5 more years to get more “content” than gw 1.

That’s all we want. And I’d say GW2 at present(not at release) has more content than GW Prophecies + about half of Factions. But we can argue this all day…. I hope GW2’s content ends up more than doubling that of GW1 in the long run.

Actually, i was right. Colin before release said guild wars 2 at release was bigger than ALL of guild wars 1.

So there. Read above for the link and proof.

Nice try though.

I remember seeing that quote. It’s all in the marketing. Of course they would say something like that, while using wording like “about the size”. They want everyone to think it IS more massive. So GW fanboys (like myself) and newcomers alike will be drooling… “Just as big as ALL of Guild Wars??? faints”

I’ve played through both games and that’s complete BS. GW2 is a large game, and it’s a game that I like a lot. (although it could be improved tenfold) I can honestly say though, that right now, it does not have the amount that GW1 had. It just doesn’t. That’s all delusional marketing that worked on me and many others.

I see, so when it suits your purpose fact is fact, but when it goes against your belief it is marketing.

I want to say I am sorry for backing up my claims with facts. I keep forgetting that certain people once they made up their minds it cannot be changed and facts be kitten ed.

By any chance do you subscribe the Fox News?

ADDED: anyways, i m going to peace out here because we can both agree arguing on this forum is a bigger waste of time than doing absolutely nothing.

The problem is, there were no facts stated in your “proof”. It was just Colin saying “Oh yeah GW2 is MASSIVE. I mean…it’s about the same size…thereabouts….as GW1. We think…I mean don’t we? We think that right? Yeah, that’s what we’re going with. It’s MASSIVE!”

I just love how people compare GW1 a game where you couldn’t venture out of a city with more than eight people, a game that is a fraction of the complexity that its successor is to GW2 which is larger and has way more moving parts than GW1 would ever have hoped for. Then you complain why Guild Wars 2 hasn’t received the same amount content, scratch that even more content in the same period of time.This just underlines the fact that people are extremely ignorant about game development. They do not understand that the bigger and more complex a game is, the longer it takes to develop content. Guild Wars 2 has been out for just over a year, it will get massive permanent content updates, or even an expansion. Give it time, and please don’t compare this game and its content to GW1 a game that was released in 2005.

And yes Guild Wars 2, in terms of map size, is roughly the same as its predecessor. Having said the the complexity and scope, the amount of moving parts, and the detail of those areas is exponentially larger. Include that into the actual gameplay elements and Guild Wars 2 as a whole game is infinitely larger than GW1.

Ikorolch.8421:

I just love how people compare GW1 a game where you couldn’t venture out of a city with more than eight people, a game that is a fraction of the complexity that its successor is to GW2 which is larger and has way more moving parts than GW1 would ever have hoped for. Then you complain why Guild Wars 2 hasn’t received the same amount content, scratch that even more content in the same period of time.This just underlines the fact that people are extremely ignorant about game development. They do not understand that the bigger and more complex a game is, the longer it takes to develop content. Guild Wars 2 has been out for just over a year, it will get massive permanent content updates, or even an expansion. Give it time, and please don’t compare this game and its content to GW1 a game that was released in 2005.

If you would have read the entire discussion, you would have known we already adressed the “but it’s a different game” argument.

In any case, I think it’s about time I’m gonna split. Everything has been said on both sides and most people that enter the discussion now are just coming up with arguments that have already been crushe.. I mean discussed.

Peace everyone.

Ikorolch.8421:

I just love how people compare GW1 a game where you couldn’t venture out of a city with more than eight people, a game that is a fraction of the complexity that its successor is to GW2 which is larger and has way more moving parts than GW1 would ever have hoped for. Then you complain why Guild Wars 2 hasn’t received the same amount content, scratch that even more content in the same period of time.This just underlines the fact that people are extremely ignorant about game development. They do not understand that the bigger and more complex a game is, the longer it takes to develop content. Guild Wars 2 has been out for just over a year, it will get massive permanent content updates, or even an expansion. Give it time, and please don’t compare this game and its content to GW1 a game that was released in 2005.

I’m going to say this politely: I think you are confused. I am not a game developer, but I do have an engineering background. GW2 is almost certainly more complicated than GW1, but that does not mean it takes longer to develop content.

In reality, it probably takes longer to develop content because of choices that ArenaNet has made. Voice Over work takes forever. Text needs to be translated into 4 languages. Any artwork for the PC needs to fit 5 races (though some use the same mesh, so the work is likely reduced.) Textures must be in a higher resolution. etc.

That said, the live team for this game is considerably larger. The toolsets, if you listen to the teams themselves, are much better.

We can perhaps rephrase our criticism: it’s not the amount of content that is the problem necessarily, but the choice of content. It was a CHOICE for the Living World to consist of temporary events in existing zones. That was a design decision. The Living World could just have easily been “we will push north in the Shiverpeaks to open up new zones and a new permanent dungeon fight with Jormag.”

When people like myself – a huge fan of the game who is happy, plays daily, and spends real money on the gemstore – have complaints about content, it’s not QQing or raging or thinking ArenaNet can make miracles happen. What we’re complaining about is the CHOICE that player fragmentation is the #1 enemy and the LW should confine itself mostly to the zones we already have.

I think we’ve seen that people will zerg to the new content no matter where it is and leave most of the rest of the game empty, so why not give us some new places to go while we zerg around?

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

There fixed. Don’t act like waiting for an expansion is suddenly a bad thing. If guild wars 2 had a traditional expansion model we would have had an expansion by now before the game became a “boring grind”. Which is exactly what the game is now because of LS.

Maybe. It’s possible that the Living Story came about mostly because of NCSoft pulling the plug on Cantha and telling them, “Nope, unacceptable. Start over” shortly before they went to beta, and they needed to keep players occupied while they rebuilt everything mostly from scratch.

I honestly do NOT believe that we would have seen an expansion by this point anyway. It’s a LOT more time-consuming to put together content that is more open-world on three axis than the narrow path, 2 axis content of Guild Wars 1. I suppose it’s POSSIBLE, but I am wholly unconvinced of the claim.

Vol.7601:

stale.9785:

To clarify from my last post. In GW1, at 18 months, we had:

Prophecies
-they added Sorrows Furnace
-they added FoW and UW

Factions was out
- Hundred of new skills, complete new continents, two new professions

Nightfall was only 2-3 months away.
- hundreds of more skills, another whole continent, two new professions.

Compared to GW2, where after 18 months we have.

- Fractals
- two new skills
- one new dungeon path, but they removed the old one.
- nothing else that’s been permanent.

This is the complaint.

You can keep comparing these two games all you want, but one of them is an MMO and another is not. That’s a big difference in design.

GW1 is an MMO, wiki already states the same.
also, if GW1 isn’t an MMO, what is rusty heart or vindictus or all the other instance based games?
exactly, they are considered an MMO, so in conclusion GW1 is an MMO.

This restless fan must have forgotten this is free2play without a subscription — and the last time I’ve checked they continue to roll out content.

that restless fan actually knows it’s not free2play, it’s buy2play so he payed money to play this game just like everybody else.

PSA Reminder In flat square mileage GW2 is Smaller than Vanilla WoW, Vanilla WoW is but a Grain of Sand in GW1.

chemiclord.3978:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

There fixed. Don’t act like waiting for an expansion is suddenly a bad thing. If guild wars 2 had a traditional expansion model we would have had an expansion by now before the game became a “boring grind”. Which is exactly what the game is now because of LS.

Maybe. It’s possible that the Living Story came about mostly because of NCSoft pulling the plug on Cantha and telling them, “Nope, unacceptable. Start over” shortly before they went to beta, and they needed to keep players occupied while they rebuilt everything mostly from scratch.

I honestly do NOT believe that we would have seen an expansion by this point anyway. It’s a LOT more time-consuming to put together content that is more open-world on three axis than the narrow path, 2 axis content of Guild Wars 1. I suppose it’s POSSIBLE, but I am wholly unconvinced of the claim.

then let me, an environmental artist, claim that it’s actually just as easy if not easier then GW1.
for one, in GW1 the devs need to keep in mind everything is seen flat regardless how high or low you are from the enemies, in GW2 they have allot more freedom making the map allot more dynamic because enemies below you can’t see you.

Judge Banks.9018:

PSA Reminder In flat square mileage GW2 is Smaller than Vanilla WoW, Vanilla WoW is but a Grain of Sand in GW1.

Actually you are so wrong it is funny. The people that actualy care about this stuff
listed
vanilla WoW as 80 sq mi
guild wars 1 nightfall at 15k sq mi

Considering that guild wars 2 is bigger than all of guild wars 1. What you said is so ridiculous.

http://kotaku.com/5533787/its-not-the-size-of-the-game-world-but-how-you-use-it

silvermember.8941:

Judge Banks.9018:

PSA Reminder In flat square mileage GW2 is Smaller than Vanilla WoW, Vanilla WoW is but a Grain of Sand in GW1.

Actually you are so wrong it is funny. The people that actualy care about this stuff
listed
vanilla WoW as 80 sq mi
guild wars 1 nightfall at 15k sq mi

Considering that guild wars 2 is bigger than all of guild wars 1. What you said is so ridiculous.

http://kotaku.com/5533787/its-not-the-size-of-the-game-world-but-how-you-use-it

actually, even with the Z , GW1 is still bigger then GW2.
you can only take half of EotN as Z, the rest is the same as proph.
so in a way GW2 is proph minus the fire isle, GW1 is still bigger.

sorudo.9054:

silvermember.8941:

Judge Banks.9018:

PSA Reminder In flat square mileage GW2 is Smaller than Vanilla WoW, Vanilla WoW is but a Grain of Sand in GW1.

Actually you are so wrong it is funny. The people that actualy care about this stuff
listed
vanilla WoW as 80 sq mi
guild wars 1 nightfall at 15k sq mi

Considering that guild wars 2 is bigger than all of guild wars 1. What you said is so ridiculous.

http://kotaku.com/5533787/its-not-the-size-of-the-game-world-but-how-you-use-it

actually, even with the Z , GW1 is still bigger then GW2.
you can only take half of EotN as Z, the rest is the same as proph.
so in a way GW2 is proph minus the fire isle, GW1 is still bigger.

Actually, according to colin. Guild wars 2 is bigger than all of guild wars 1. So I m going to take the word of colin over let’s say you.

silvermember.8941:

sorudo.9054:

silvermember.8941:

Judge Banks.9018:

PSA Reminder In flat square mileage GW2 is Smaller than Vanilla WoW, Vanilla WoW is but a Grain of Sand in GW1.

Actually you are so wrong it is funny. The people that actualy care about this stuff
listed
vanilla WoW as 80 sq mi
guild wars 1 nightfall at 15k sq mi

Considering that guild wars 2 is bigger than all of guild wars 1. What you said is so ridiculous.

http://kotaku.com/5533787/its-not-the-size-of-the-game-world-but-how-you-use-it

actually, even with the Z , GW1 is still bigger then GW2.
you can only take half of EotN as Z, the rest is the same as proph.
so in a way GW2 is proph minus the fire isle, GW1 is still bigger.

Actually, according to colin. Guild wars 2 is bigger than all of guild wars 1. So I m going to take the word of colin over let’s say you.

Look, I’m done arguing with you. Here’s a map of just Tyria (the continent) with points from both games on it. http://zoom.it/vxe1

silvermember.8941:

sorudo.9054:

silvermember.8941:

Judge Banks.9018:

PSA Reminder In flat square mileage GW2 is Smaller than Vanilla WoW, Vanilla WoW is but a Grain of Sand in GW1.

Actually you are so wrong it is funny. The people that actualy care about this stuff
listed
vanilla WoW as 80 sq mi
guild wars 1 nightfall at 15k sq mi

Considering that guild wars 2 is bigger than all of guild wars 1. What you said is so ridiculous.

http://kotaku.com/5533787/its-not-the-size-of-the-game-world-but-how-you-use-it

actually, even with the Z , GW1 is still bigger then GW2.
you can only take half of EotN as Z, the rest is the same as proph.
so in a way GW2 is proph minus the fire isle, GW1 is still bigger.

Actually, according to colin. Guild wars 2 is bigger than all of guild wars 1. So I m going to take the word of colin over let’s say you.

Just out of curiously Silver, have you played through all of GW1?

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Swoo.5079:

GW2 is way bigger than Prophecies was at release.

Interestingly people like to throw around tons of numbers
Those are called facts, it’s what people tend to use in arguments
but they don’t like to throw number of professions and number of races.
gw1 had more professions… not at release no, but gw2 is not at release, it’s been out for over a year
They also don’t like to talk about crafting.
Because it’s boring as kitten
GW1 added very few in terms of free content.
And that’s why the content added in gw1 vastly superior. Free =/= better
People just don’t understand that GW1 basically had a tiny Live Team while GW2 has a decently sized live team.
Indeed, gw2 has a lot more developers working on it. So why are we getting less?

Guild Wars 2 at release has indeed more content than Guild Wars 1 at release. But in the end, gw1 got tons more content and guild wars 2 is not at release anymore.

Guild wars 2 was bigger than guild wars 1 after all it’s updates.

You are comparing GW2 to GW Prophecies right? I would hope so.

Actually Guild Wars 2 is bigger than Prophecies, Factions, and NF as far as content goes, if you just look at content. The quality of the content if vastly different, but the amount of content is objectively greater in Guild Wars 2.

Look at the number of quests in total in the three games, and add it up together. It’s under 1000 quests. Add in about 70 missions, and a five elite areas. That’s the content.

Guild Wars 2 has 1500 dynamic events, which is more than the quests in all 3 games put together. That’s not including hearts. And while I prefer the missions in Guild Wars 1 to the story quests in Guild Wars 2 over all, there are still more story quests than there were missions. Then there are not only 8 dungeons and fractals, but each dungeon has multiple paths.

The only way Guild Wars 1 was really superior, and it was superior, was in PvP. Guild Wars 1 was a PvPer’s paradise. Guild Wars 2 not so much.

But in PvE content alone….there really is no comparison, no matter which game you liked best.

Don’t get me wrong, I loved games like Factions, but you know, you could beat it in a day.

silvermember.8941:

Nat.4029:

silvermember.8941:

Windu The Forbidden One.6045:

Swoo.5079:

GW2 is way bigger than Prophecies was at release.

Interestingly people like to throw around tons of numbers
Those are called facts, it’s what people tend to use in arguments
but they don’t like to throw number of professions and number of races.
gw1 had more professions… not at release no, but gw2 is not at release, it’s been out for over a year
They also don’t like to talk about crafting.
Because it’s boring as kitten
GW1 added very few in terms of free content.
And that’s why the content added in gw1 vastly superior. Free =/= better
People just don’t understand that GW1 basically had a tiny Live Team while GW2 has a decently sized live team.
Indeed, gw2 has a lot more developers working on it. So why are we getting less?

Guild Wars 2 at release has indeed more content than Guild Wars 1 at release. But in the end, gw1 got tons more content and guild wars 2 is not at release anymore.

Guild wars 2 was bigger than guild wars 1 after all it’s updates.

You are comparing GW2 to GW Prophecies right? I would hope so.

Guild wars 2 to all of gw1.