Guild Wars 2

I think it would be a really really really great feature to allow veteran players to purchase laurels somehow.

From whom, each other or an NPC? And for how much? Considering one laurel is worth 3 T6 mats or about one gold, it would need to start off there. If you log in daily and chose the laurel chest at the 28th day, you’ll get 55 laurels/28 days, almost 2/day.

The reason GW2 has so many different currencies is to ensure players have to do different things to earn the rewards and cannot simply farm or buy gold and then buy everything.

On that basis I think it’s highly unlikely they’re going to add the option to buy laurels, or WvW tokens, or any other currency.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

From whom, each other or an NPC? And for how much? Considering one laurel is worth 3 T6 mats or about one gold, it would need to start off there. If you log in daily and chose the laurel chest at the 28th day, you’ll get 55 laurels/28 days, almost 2/day.

from like the bltc or a vedor. I don’t really care how much, that’s not my concern right now. sure, starting at 1 gold seems like a good number to work with. I am fully aware of the monthly allotment.

Danikat.8537:

The reason GW2 has so many different currencies is to ensure players have to do different things to earn the rewards and cannot simply farm or buy gold and then buy everything.

On that basis I think it’s highly unlikely they’re going to add the option to buy laurels, or WvW tokens, or any other currency.

In general, I agree and dont expect Laurels to be made available via any kind of trade.

However, they already made other currency available for gold with t7 mats from trick or treat bags and wintersday gifts.

As those mats were especially introduced to make sure you complete certain content in order to craft ascended gear, I was quite surprised they put them into those containers as it completely defeats their original purpose, unless you categorize opening containers as “content”.

Just out of curiosity what would be the benefit of this system? What does the laurel vendor sell that you can’t get elsewhere and can’t wait to save up laurels for?

Swagger.1459:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

From whom, each other or an NPC? And for how much? Considering one laurel is worth 3 T6 mats or about one gold, it would need to start off there. If you log in daily and chose the laurel chest at the 28th day, you’ll get 55 laurels/28 days, almost 2/day.

from like the bltc or a vedor. I don’t really care how much, that’s not my concern right now. sure, starting at 1 gold seems like a good number to work with. I am fully aware of the monthly allotment.

If it’s from a vendor then it could lead to an increase in T6 mats, and then a decrease in their drop rate to compensate, so, imo, no. Maybe from other players, but I don’t see ANet allowing laurels to be sellable.

Swagger.1459:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

From whom, each other or an NPC? And for how much? Considering one laurel is worth 3 T6 mats or about one gold, it would need to start off there. If you log in daily and chose the laurel chest at the 28th day, you’ll get 55 laurels/28 days, almost 2/day.

from like the bltc or a vedor. I don’t really care how much, that’s not my concern right now. sure, starting at 1 gold seems like a good number to work with. I am fully aware of the monthly allotment.

What would never happen is them being made available for a fixed gold price from a vendor.

Because that would basically hard-cap the average price of t6 mats (and all the other tier mats). I dont think that would be desirable in a free economy.

Wanze.8410:

Swagger.1459:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

From whom, each other or an NPC? And for how much? Considering one laurel is worth 3 T6 mats or about one gold, it would need to start off there. If you log in daily and chose the laurel chest at the 28th day, you’ll get 55 laurels/28 days, almost 2/day.

from like the bltc or a vedor. I don’t really care how much, that’s not my concern right now. sure, starting at 1 gold seems like a good number to work with. I am fully aware of the monthly allotment.

What would never happen is them being made available for a fixed gold price from a vendor.

Because that would basically hard-cap the average price of t6 mats (and all the other tier mats). I dont think that would be desirable in a free economy.

then maybe gold and some skill pts/new “forge currency” or whatever. there are a bunch of workable options so just dropping the idea.

What do you think Anet would prefer, people logging in every day to get laurels or just buying them with gold?

They are specificly designed as a loyalty currency – the number of laurels is proportional to how many times you log into gw2.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

Swagger.1459:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

From whom, each other or an NPC? And for how much? Considering one laurel is worth 3 T6 mats or about one gold, it would need to start off there. If you log in daily and chose the laurel chest at the 28th day, you’ll get 55 laurels/28 days, almost 2/day.

from like the bltc or a vedor. I don’t really care how much, that’s not my concern right now. sure, starting at 1 gold seems like a good number to work with. I am fully aware of the monthly allotment.

If it’s from a vendor then it could lead to an increase in T6 mats, and then a decrease in their drop rate to compensate, so, imo, no. Maybe from other players, but I don’t see ANet allowing laurels to be sellable.

I am not even sure, if you Anet was even considering the additional influx of t6 mats through laurels that are coming from alt accounts bought during the 75% rebate sales.

I dunno, that kind of eliminates the point of Laurels. It’s pretty much there to give you time-gated rewards for logging in and playing frequently.

I actually think a better solution is to provide an alternate source of ascended infusions and trinkets (Like Grandmaster Jewelcrafting) so that the only things that are exclusive to laurel based purchases are cosmetic items and toys like tonics or the old living world skins, etc.

(and on a similar note to Jewlcrafting, I think it should go two ways and make it possible to buy ascended armor with laurels too. Just set the prices for them starting at around 100 laurels, so it’ll still be a long-term goal type thing)

The point of laurels is to reward logging in regularly. Purchasing laurels with currency (none of which I’m hearing workable or viable options for yet), defeats that very objective.

What exact currency would use for purchasing?
What would replace laurels for logging in since that will become redundant.
Also, why do you want to buy laurels? It can’t be for t6 mats, since those are purchasable. Is it for the minis/LS1 rewards? Having additional ways to purchase laurels for these makes little sense. If anything having alternative acquistion methods would be preferable.

To be honest, I think the system works pretty well now. Short – medium term goals for inessential items, which you have to decide what you want rather than buy it all at once. Seems to be working exactly as it should

Danikat.8537:

Just out of curiosity what would be the benefit of this system? What does the laurel vendor sell that you can’t get elsewhere and can’t wait to save up laurels for?

Cat tonics.

I’m in the no camp. Why? Laurels time gate items. And I really don’t want something else taking up space in my bags. But that’s just me. If they do make them tradable, it should be on the TP.

Swagger.1459:

Wanze.8410:

Swagger.1459:

Just a flesh wound.3589:

From whom, each other or an NPC? And for how much? Considering one laurel is worth 3 T6 mats or about one gold, it would need to start off there. If you log in daily and chose the laurel chest at the 28th day, you’ll get 55 laurels/28 days, almost 2/day.

from like the bltc or a vedor. I don’t really care how much, that’s not my concern right now. sure, starting at 1 gold seems like a good number to work with. I am fully aware of the monthly allotment.

What would never happen is them being made available for a fixed gold price from a vendor.

Because that would basically hard-cap the average price of t6 mats (and all the other tier mats). I dont think that would be desirable in a free economy.

then maybe gold and some skill pts/new “forge currency” or whatever. there are a bunch of workable options so just dropping the idea.

As a big time trader, I actually have lots of fun finding ways to monetize my other account bound currencies, so personally, I would really like, if they were tradeable on the tp. I am just not convinced that it will be an improvement for the average player.

Prices would probably stabilize around 1g for the moment and even though I have 432 laurels atm, I would probably invest a great deal of gold into buying more.
First of all, because I think their value would rise to 1.5-2g once new sinks for laurels will be introduced (presumably with HoT) and second of all because they dont require any inventory space.

Randulf.7614:

The point of laurels is to reward logging in regularly. Purchasing laurels with currency (none of which I’m hearing workable or viable options for yet), defeats that very objective.

What exact currency would use for purchasing?
What would replace laurels for logging in since that will become redundant.
Also, why do you want to buy laurels? It can’t be for t6 mats, since those are purchasable. Is it for the minis/LS1 rewards? Having additional ways to purchase laurels for these makes little sense. If anything having alternative acquistion methods would be preferable.

To be honest, I think the system works pretty well now. Short – medium term goals for inessential items, which you have to decide what you want rather than buy it all at once. Seems to be working exactly as it should

I am fully aware they are daily log in rewards.

Well, I just decked out my 3rd character in full ascended gear and thought to myself that it would be nice to have a feature for veteran players (I know I didn’t specify the veteran part in my op, but I will change it). Particularly when I would like to have a bunch of different builds to play and other alts I’d like to make. I’m tossing hundreds of dollars to buy gems and covert to gold so I can buy all the mats and stuff, and just thinking it would be great to have an additional laurel option.

I didn’t sit here and think about the costs why and hows, just thinking it would be a great feature to add in for us vets.

The monthly allotment of laurels would not be invalidated while having an extra “purchased in some way” method of obtaining them for vets.

You need laurels to purchase ascended trinkets and stuff, ascended recipes, infusions…

Nah each currency should be separate, you can convert each currency into gold, but not gold into currency, nor should they be inter-convertable.

It prevents someone who’s managed to amass a large quantity of one currency from taking advantage of it in other aspects of the game.

I.E take Wanze for example he’s played the TP a lot and has amassed a significant quantity of gold and gems. But he must still wait for laurels and guild commendations, he must still do PvP/dungeons/fractals to get tokens/rank, he has to still go to the silverwastes/drytop to get their currencies etc etc. It prevents him from completely invalidating other peoples time and work with a singular currency.

EDIT

I’m tossing hundreds of dollars to buy gems and covert to gold so I can buy all the mats and stuff, and just thinking it would be great to have an additional laurel option.

It’s specifically in place to stop you doing that, so you can’t just dump 5000$ into the game and go bam got everything instantly.

Swagger.1459:

Randulf.7614:

The point of laurels is to reward logging in regularly. Purchasing laurels with currency (none of which I’m hearing workable or viable options for yet), defeats that very objective.

What exact currency would use for purchasing?
What would replace laurels for logging in since that will become redundant.
Also, why do you want to buy laurels? It can’t be for t6 mats, since those are purchasable. Is it for the minis/LS1 rewards? Having additional ways to purchase laurels for these makes little sense. If anything having alternative acquistion methods would be preferable.

To be honest, I think the system works pretty well now. Short – medium term goals for inessential items, which you have to decide what you want rather than buy it all at once. Seems to be working exactly as it should

I am fully aware they are daily log in rewards.

Well, I just decked out my 3rd character in full ascended gear and thought to myself that it would be nice to have a feature for veteran players (I know I didn’t specify the veteran part in my op, but I will change it). Particularly when I would like to have a bunch of different builds to play and other alts I’d like to make. I’m tossing hundreds of dollars to buy gems and covert to gold so I can buy all the mats and stuff, and just thinking it would be great to have an additional laurel option.

I didn’t sit here and think about the costs why and hows, just thinking it would be a great feature to add in for us vets.

The monthly allotment of laurels would not be invalidated while having an extra “purchased in some way” method of obtaining them for vets.

You need laurels to purchase ascended trinkets and stuff, ascended recipes, infusions…

Its a time gated, log in every day for it, currency. Its literally designed to not be achieved instantly in bulk. You might have some patience issues if you’re buying gems to get extra ascended armours, I’d take a minute to think about what you’re doing.

The only way I could see laurels being purchasable is if you ‘missed’ some of the ones you’d get with dailies because of not logging as much as others, and you’d be able to get them with gems.

So if you login daily, you get them for free, and if you didn’t, you must pay gems, but you’ll never be able to get more than someone who logged in daily.

Swagger.1459:

Randulf.7614:

The point of laurels is to reward logging in regularly. Purchasing laurels with currency (none of which I’m hearing workable or viable options for yet), defeats that very objective.

What exact currency would use for purchasing?
What would replace laurels for logging in since that will become redundant.
Also, why do you want to buy laurels? It can’t be for t6 mats, since those are purchasable. Is it for the minis/LS1 rewards? Having additional ways to purchase laurels for these makes little sense. If anything having alternative acquistion methods would be preferable.

To be honest, I think the system works pretty well now. Short – medium term goals for inessential items, which you have to decide what you want rather than buy it all at once. Seems to be working exactly as it should

I am fully aware they are daily log in rewards.

Well, I just decked out my 3rd character in full ascended gear and thought to myself that it would be nice to have a feature for veteran players (I know I didn’t specify the veteran part in my op, but I will change it). Particularly when I would like to have a bunch of different builds to play and other alts I’d like to make. I’m tossing hundreds of dollars to buy gems and covert to gold so I can buy all the mats and stuff, and just thinking it would be great to have an additional laurel option.

I didn’t sit here and think about the costs why and hows, just thinking it would be a great feature to add in for us vets.

The monthly allotment of laurels would not be invalidated while having an extra “purchased in some way” method of obtaining them for vets.

You need laurels to purchase ascended trinkets and stuff, ascended recipes, infusions…

I crafted 5 ascended armor and weapon sets over a period of 5 months last year. Gold isnt really an issue for me but during the 3rd set, i started running short on laurels for the recipes and dragonite ore for the gear.

Even though i dont need more laurels atm, i wouldnt mind to have the chance to buy some with gold, if I should run short again.
Its convenient for veteran players like us but for every one of us that would be happy with this change, 10 other players would cry out because they feel their loyalty to the game is being devalued by making laurel exclusive rewards available for gold purchase.

Coulter.2315:

Swagger.1459:

Randulf.7614:

The point of laurels is to reward logging in regularly. Purchasing laurels with currency (none of which I’m hearing workable or viable options for yet), defeats that very objective.

What exact currency would use for purchasing?
What would replace laurels for logging in since that will become redundant.
Also, why do you want to buy laurels? It can’t be for t6 mats, since those are purchasable. Is it for the minis/LS1 rewards? Having additional ways to purchase laurels for these makes little sense. If anything having alternative acquistion methods would be preferable.

To be honest, I think the system works pretty well now. Short – medium term goals for inessential items, which you have to decide what you want rather than buy it all at once. Seems to be working exactly as it should

I am fully aware they are daily log in rewards.

Well, I just decked out my 3rd character in full ascended gear and thought to myself that it would be nice to have a feature for veteran players (I know I didn’t specify the veteran part in my op, but I will change it). Particularly when I would like to have a bunch of different builds to play and other alts I’d like to make. I’m tossing hundreds of dollars to buy gems and covert to gold so I can buy all the mats and stuff, and just thinking it would be great to have an additional laurel option.

I didn’t sit here and think about the costs why and hows, just thinking it would be a great feature to add in for us vets.

The monthly allotment of laurels would not be invalidated while having an extra “purchased in some way” method of obtaining them for vets.

You need laurels to purchase ascended trinkets and stuff, ascended recipes, infusions…

Its a time gated, log in every day for it, currency. Its literally designed to not be achieved instantly in bulk. You might have some patience issues if you’re buying gems to get extra ascended armours, I’d take a minute to think about what you’re doing.

Well, it’s my money and I’m sure anet likes it when players buy gems right?… You should take a minute to think about that…

It’s kinda silly that a veteran player can sit there and buy everything else for ascended gear with real cash, but then we have to wait for laurel hand outs.

I’m pretty sure there would be a lot of vets on board with this idea if it were implemented for them.

Wanze.8410:

Even though i dont need more laurels atm, i wouldnt mind to have the chance to buy some with gold, if I should run short again.
Its convenient for veteran players like us but for every one of us that would be happy with this change, 10 other players would cry out because they feel their loyalty to the game is being devalued by making laurel exclusive rewards available for gold purchase.

You don’t understand, anet is buying OUR loyalty. Do you know what happens when people get “all da armourz!”? They quit. So many people left before Ascended was added because anet didn’t expect the speed at which people would get full exotic gear, but aha! this time they were ready with a MOUNTAIN of time gates.

Having something you need “for completeness” that forces you to log in each day holds you to the game for longer because people have brains and they are easy to manipulate.

So letting people skip that isn’t in our (playerbase would shrink or get bored) or their (less browses of the gemstore) interests – its a bad idea.

PS I’m a veteran (who thinks)

Swagger.1459:

Well, it’s my money and I’m sure anet likes it when players buy gems right?… You should take a minute to think about that…

It’s kinda silly that a veteran player can sit there and buy everything else for ascended gear with real cash, but then we have to wait for laurel hand outs.

I’m pretty sure there would be a lot of vets on board with this idea if it were implemented for them.

Veteran player here, would certainly not be happy. Also pretty poor planning not to keep a stockpile of laurels at all times…. (450 stockpiled atm).

You keep waving money around as an excuse to do whatever, it isn’t. If you throw large sums of money at the game but are bad at it or don’t play too often you should still be second place to any player who’s good at it or has played more. Otherwise you just have a “how much disposable income I have” simulator. Skill>Time>Money.

Swagger.1459:

Randulf.7614:

The point of laurels is to reward logging in regularly. Purchasing laurels with currency (none of which I’m hearing workable or viable options for yet), defeats that very objective.

What exact currency would use for purchasing?
What would replace laurels for logging in since that will become redundant.
Also, why do you want to buy laurels? It can’t be for t6 mats, since those are purchasable. Is it for the minis/LS1 rewards? Having additional ways to purchase laurels for these makes little sense. If anything having alternative acquistion methods would be preferable.

To be honest, I think the system works pretty well now. Short – medium term goals for inessential items, which you have to decide what you want rather than buy it all at once. Seems to be working exactly as it should

I am fully aware they are daily log in rewards.

Well, I just decked out my 3rd character in full ascended gear and thought to myself that it would be nice to have a feature for veteran players (I know I didn’t specify the veteran part in my op, but I will change it). Particularly when I would like to have a bunch of different builds to play and other alts I’d like to make. I’m tossing hundreds of dollars to buy gems and covert to gold so I can buy all the mats and stuff, and just thinking it would be great to have an additional laurel option.

I didn’t sit here and think about the costs why and hows, just thinking it would be a great feature to add in for us vets.

The monthly allotment of laurels would not be invalidated while having an extra “purchased in some way” method of obtaining them for vets.

You need laurels to purchase ascended trinkets and stuff, ascended recipes, infusions…

As a vet I am not in total agreement. I’m also not seeing a convincing argument for why buying laurels is a good idea Vs the problems it will cause.

However if ascended is the issue, then I agree partly on what you are saying. This isn’t the answer though. A better solution directly would be to simply lower the costs. for recipes and infusions etc.
Or improve ascended drops from group content like Teq, Wurm, Fractals or whatever HoT brings. And rather than have a random stat box drop, have it so you can choose what ascended pops up out of that box stat wise.

MithranArkanere.8957:

The only way I could see laurels being purchasable is if you ‘missed’ some of the ones you’d get with dailies because of not logging as much as others, and you’d be able to get them with gems.

So if you login daily, you get them for free, and if you didn’t, you must pay gems, but you’ll never be able to get more than someone who logged in daily.

Good suggestion but it would be hard to implement with the current login rewards.
It would also not stop someone who logged in a couple of times right after launch to be able to purchase as much laurels as a player who logged in on a daily basis, if he decides to come back to the game now.

It might work, if you are only able to buy as much additional laurels as you have earned yourself.

So someone who rejoins the game, can double his pace of acquisition but wount be instantly be able to catch up with loyal players.

The next question would be, if they will be available for gold (and maybe additional currencies) from a vendor or on the TP from other players.

I would tend to the tp solution because it wouldnt create additional laurel supply and would be another way to reward players for their loyalty.

Coulter.2315:

Wanze.8410:

Even though i dont need more laurels atm, i wouldnt mind to have the chance to buy some with gold, if I should run short again.
Its convenient for veteran players like us but for every one of us that would be happy with this change, 10 other players would cry out because they feel their loyalty to the game is being devalued by making laurel exclusive rewards available for gold purchase.

You don’t understand, anet is buying OUR loyalty. Do you know what happens when people get “all da armourz!”? They quit. So many people left before Ascended was added because anet didn’t expect the speed at which people would get full exotic gear, but aha! this time they were ready with a MOUNTAIN of time gates.

Having something you need “for completeness” that forces you to log in each day holds you to the game for longer because people have brains and they are easy to manipulate.

So letting people skip that isn’t in our (playerbase would shrink or get bored) or their (less browses of the gemstore) interests – its a bad idea.

PS I’m a veteran (who thinks)

Hmmm, I crafted my last ascended set over 8 months ago, and since then never found myself in a pinch for any kind of currency to get what i wanted. But I didnt leave the game and still play as much as before.

Wanze.8410:

Coulter.2315:

Wanze.8410:

Even though i dont need more laurels atm, i wouldnt mind to have the chance to buy some with gold, if I should run short again.
Its convenient for veteran players like us but for every one of us that would be happy with this change, 10 other players would cry out because they feel their loyalty to the game is being devalued by making laurel exclusive rewards available for gold purchase.

You don’t understand, anet is buying OUR loyalty. Do you know what happens when people get “all da armourz!”? They quit. So many people left before Ascended was added because anet didn’t expect the speed at which people would get full exotic gear, but aha! this time they were ready with a MOUNTAIN of time gates.

Having something you need “for completeness” that forces you to log in each day holds you to the game for longer because people have brains and they are easy to manipulate.

So letting people skip that isn’t in our (playerbase would shrink or get bored) or their (less browses of the gemstore) interests – its a bad idea.

PS I’m a veteran (who thinks)

Hmmm, I crafted my last ascended set over 8 months ago, and since then never found myself in a pinch for any kind of currency to get what i wanted. But I didnt leave the game and still play as much as before.

It was a generalisation it doesn’t apply to everyone but it clearly applies to a lot. Also do you see people who just log in for dailies?

Coulter.2315:

Wanze.8410:

Coulter.2315:

Wanze.8410:

Even though i dont need more laurels atm, i wouldnt mind to have the chance to buy some with gold, if I should run short again.
Its convenient for veteran players like us but for every one of us that would be happy with this change, 10 other players would cry out because they feel their loyalty to the game is being devalued by making laurel exclusive rewards available for gold purchase.

You don’t understand, anet is buying OUR loyalty. Do you know what happens when people get “all da armourz!”? They quit. So many people left before Ascended was added because anet didn’t expect the speed at which people would get full exotic gear, but aha! this time they were ready with a MOUNTAIN of time gates.

Having something you need “for completeness” that forces you to log in each day holds you to the game for longer because people have brains and they are easy to manipulate.

So letting people skip that isn’t in our (playerbase would shrink or get bored) or their (less browses of the gemstore) interests – its a bad idea.

PS I’m a veteran (who thinks)

Hmmm, I crafted my last ascended set over 8 months ago, and since then never found myself in a pinch for any kind of currency to get what i wanted. But I didnt leave the game and still play as much as before.

It was a generalisation it doesn’t apply to everyone but it clearly applies to a lot. Also do you see people who just log in for dailies?

If it was a generalisation, i dont know why you quoted me directly, told me that I dont understand and claim that you are the veteran who is thinking.

“veterans” are the subset of players that dont need laurels. theres not much point in making them more available to those players, cuz they have 432 after buying everything from the shop twice.

Wanze.8410:

Coulter.2315:

Wanze.8410:

Coulter.2315:

Wanze.8410:

Even though i dont need more laurels atm, i wouldnt mind to have the chance to buy some with gold, if I should run short again.
Its convenient for veteran players like us but for every one of us that would be happy with this change, 10 other players would cry out because they feel their loyalty to the game is being devalued by making laurel exclusive rewards available for gold purchase.

You don’t understand, anet is buying OUR loyalty. Do you know what happens when people get “all da armourz!”? They quit. So many people left before Ascended was added because anet didn’t expect the speed at which people would get full exotic gear, but aha! this time they were ready with a MOUNTAIN of time gates.

Having something you need “for completeness” that forces you to log in each day holds you to the game for longer because people have brains and they are easy to manipulate.

So letting people skip that isn’t in our (playerbase would shrink or get bored) or their (less browses of the gemstore) interests – its a bad idea.

PS I’m a veteran (who thinks)

Hmmm, I crafted my last ascended set over 8 months ago, and since then never found myself in a pinch for any kind of currency to get what i wanted. But I didnt leave the game and still play as much as before.

It was a generalisation it doesn’t apply to everyone but it clearly applies to a lot. Also do you see people who just log in for dailies?

If it was a generalisation, i dont know why you quoted me directly, told me that I dont understand and claim that you are the veteran who is thinking.

Because I’m thinking about whats best for the game, not just best for me.

clear no if you call your self a veteran player log in like every one
if you have all possibl laurels from the past and from AP-reward traks the maximum atm is around 1500
i missed some and used some (screen)
there was also another player with nearly all i believe it was “mr” smooth penguin who posted a screen not sure but who cares

for me there are only 3 items worth to buy
1.the unique ones (endless cat tonicand stuff)
2. ascendet reciepes (but only if you need/whant them because exotic is not enough for ya)
3 ascende amulet with Utility infusions to get more of not good working magicfind or karma train buff (i don t care on the fractal or wvwvw infusions )

if you use yours to get some materials for gold fine
i don t do that because i am in no need for gold or materials
if you buy rings there you should play fractals instead and for acessorie guild mission
there still space for new items
utility rings/acessorie ? but maybe they go in jeweler 500 who knows

if anet change this i call them “stupid” because laurels where introduce not to be able to buy them and only EARN them (daily monthly first and now log in)
if they change it now i blame them because they could uses mystic coins instead and introduce laures would be a complet FAIL
and i can not believe wanze supports this suggestion
come on there is all rdy enough stuff to invest our gold out there …

Riesty.9075:

and i can not believe wanze supports this suggestion

hmmm…….

Wanze.8410:

I am just not convinced that it will be an improvement for the average player.

Coulter.2315:

Wanze.8410:

Coulter.2315:

Wanze.8410:

Coulter.2315:

Wanze.8410:

Even though i dont need more laurels atm, i wouldnt mind to have the chance to buy some with gold, if I should run short again.
Its convenient for veteran players like us but for every one of us that would be happy with this change, 10 other players would cry out because they feel their loyalty to the game is being devalued by making laurel exclusive rewards available for gold purchase.

You don’t understand, anet is buying OUR loyalty. Do you know what happens when people get “all da armourz!”? They quit. So many people left before Ascended was added because anet didn’t expect the speed at which people would get full exotic gear, but aha! this time they were ready with a MOUNTAIN of time gates.

Having something you need “for completeness” that forces you to log in each day holds you to the game for longer because people have brains and they are easy to manipulate.

So letting people skip that isn’t in our (playerbase would shrink or get bored) or their (less browses of the gemstore) interests – its a bad idea.

PS I’m a veteran (who thinks)

Hmmm, I crafted my last ascended set over 8 months ago, and since then never found myself in a pinch for any kind of currency to get what i wanted. But I didnt leave the game and still play as much as before.

It was a generalisation it doesn’t apply to everyone but it clearly applies to a lot. Also do you see people who just log in for dailies?

If it was a generalisation, i dont know why you quoted me directly, told me that I dont understand and claim that you are the veteran who is thinking.

Because I’m thinking about whats best for the game, not just best for me.

What does thinking about whats best for the game have to with calling specific and personal statements a generalisation?

kitten i wish i had that many laurels, id be able to make both my legendarys….

Still dont think this is a good idea though.

Wanze.8410:

Riesty.9075:

and i can not believe wanze supports this suggestion

hmmm…….

Wanze.8410:

I am just not convinced that it will be an improvement for the average player.

uhm okay sry about that i should read all postes complet but i fly over this tread
but thats not a clear no or yes
and if they do rly something stupid like this
i probably do the same buying some more

Laurels are a currency you get by showing up (at least now it is, was dailies/monthlies before). It’s a reward for attendance, so no. If you can’t bother showing up then no laurels for you.

Edit: Now selling a package of Laurels at the Gem Shop for cash rich, time poor players would be acceptable.

Behellagh.1468:

Laurels are a currency you get by showing up (at least now it is, was dailies/monthlies before). It’s a reward for attendance, so no. If you can’t bother showing up then no laurels for you.

Edit: Now selling a package of Laurels at the Gem Shop for cash rich, time poor players would be acceptable.

paying to not show up? whats the point…

insanemaniac.2456:

Behellagh.1468:

Laurels are a currency you get by showing up (at least now it is, was dailies/monthlies before). It’s a reward for attendance, so no. If you can’t bother showing up then no laurels for you.

Edit: Now selling a package of Laurels at the Gem Shop for cash rich, time poor players would be acceptable.

paying to not show up? whats the point…

getting rewarded for being there, while being somewhere else, of course.

Wanze.8410:

insanemaniac.2456:

Behellagh.1468:

Laurels are a currency you get by showing up (at least now it is, was dailies/monthlies before). It’s a reward for attendance, so no. If you can’t bother showing up then no laurels for you.

Edit: Now selling a package of Laurels at the Gem Shop for cash rich, time poor players would be acceptable.

paying to not show up? whats the point…

getting rewarded for being there, while being somewhere else, of course.

well i guess p2w always works even if it makes your players hate you

i agree with OP that we should be able to get laurels some other way besides waiting weeks to get enough laurels to buy stuff. It’s very annoying having to wait so long. Above somebody said we get about 2/day, so the game should just give 2 per day instead of a bunch every few days.

I love the rounding. Use to be, best case, 485-486 a year, now roughly kitten -717 a year depending how often you take the chest of laurels. 730 a year (2 a day)?. Ah, how about no.

The laurel rewards scale up across the 28 day login reward cycle. Your totals on day 2, 7, 9, 16, 21, 23 are 1, 11, 13, 16, 31, 35 respectively with the optional 20 on day 28 for 55 laurels in total if you take it. Otherwise it’s 1.25 laurels per day on average.

My previous suggestion about gem purchased laurels has to do with attempting to resolve the dichotomy of the game targeting casual play with a reward based on frequency of playing. The Gem to Gold exchange is there for those who don’t have the time to earn gold in game so why not something for laurels?

Using similar ratios for bulk keys we could have 1 laurel for 12 gems, 5 laurels for 45 gems and 25 laurels for 200 gems. And I’m pricing generously here.

Behellagh.1468:

Edit: Now selling a package of Laurels at the Gem Shop for cash rich, time poor players would be acceptable.

That might be beneficial in the short term but long term the benefits are a bit more murky. It comes back to the same old issue of “player gets everything, player gets bored, player stops playing”.

Behellagh.1468:

My previous suggestion about gem purchased laurels has to do with attempting to resolve the dichotomy of the game targeting casual play with a reward based on frequency of playing. The Gem to Gold exchange is there for those who don’t have the time to earn gold in game so why not something for laurels?

I don’t see that being a conflict with casual play. I guess it hinges on what casual actually means to you.

Really don’t know what to think of this; I’m neutral trying to understand both sides.. But I’m leaning more on the:

This is a loyalty currency (Laurels). ANet is a business. A business needs to make money, therefore a loyalty currency reward delivers both the reward over a period of time whilst keeping players PLAYING and LOGGING IN to the game. Upsetting this balance by making a loyalty currency available to be bought outright would lead to players logging in for ONE DAY buying any/all the Laurels they need and be done with it completely avoiding the notion of rewards over a set period of time etc and ruining the plan of logging in each day etc.

My 2 cents:

I agree with what other(s) have stated above on the way exchanging gold to gems and vice versa is allowed. Mayhaps the only solution would be, if ever, ANet makes Laurels a purchasable currency via the Gem Store’s exchanges (pay gold or gems for Laurels).

Ask yourself this now… If that was the case then do you think T6 mats etc would plummet? It’s a ripple effect… Anything bought with Laurels that can be sold on the TP is going to make an impact on a lot of stock/balance if Laurels can simply be bought as easily as gems to gold.

The biggest question of all – What determines the price of Laurels? T6 mats? And if everyone and their mum’s brown dog has them due to Laurels being so easily obtained now?

Zephyra.4709:

Ask yourself this now… If that was the case then do you think T6 mats etc would plummet? It’s a ripple effect… Anything bought with Laurels that can be sold on the TP is going to make an impact on a lot of stock/balance if Laurels can simply be bought as easily as gems to gold.

This makes no sense. If they implement buyable laurel’s via gems, why would they compete with their own gems < – > gold exchange?

Best case:
you get more gold back from buying laurels with gems then trading the gems in directly for gold -> makes no sense since now anet is creating competition to their own exchange

Worst case:
you get less gold for buying laurels with gems and then converting them to gold.
-> while there would be some “xxxxx” who aren’t smart enough to figure this out, 99.9% of the players would catch on fast that it’s a bad idea and would not do it, so why implement it.

I think most people don’t understand WHY loyalty currencies are getting implemented accross most games currently (be it handy games, MMOs, other multiplayer games, consols etc.). The current belief in the gaming industry is that having people come back to your game regularly (even if only in small chunks) creates more of a bond.

Whether this is true or not, it’s the current modus operandi in game design and I doubt anet will sabotage their own loyalty currency.

Cyninja.2954:

I think most people don’t understand WHY loyalty currencies are getting implemented accross most games currently (be it handy games, MMOs, other multiplayer games, consols etc.). The current belief in the gaming industry is that having people come back to your game regularly (even if only in small chunks) creates more of a bond.

Whether this is true or not, it’s the current modus operandi in game design and I doubt anet will sabotage their own loyalty currency.

Well at the very least it creates the impression of a live and active game.

There are also people who just focus on a single game. If you don’t give a reason for them to revisit they’ll just slowly drift away to other games.