the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Genlog.4983

Genlog.4983

SWTOR have a better model what i like to see here to players that are premium get more out of this game but then again that game is F2P with allot of restrictions

so you are forced in a way to be a premium and it seems allot do that
so its rely up to how players want to spend there real cash ??

GW2 is B2P they sold many copies but will they stile gain money after that ??

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

SWTOR have a better model what i like to see here to players that are premium get more out of this game but then again that game is F2P with allot of restrictions

so you are forced in a way to be a premium and it seems allot do that
so its rely up to how players how they want to spend there real cash ??

GW2 is B2P they sold many copies but will they stile gain money after that ??

Yes, they’ll still gain money after that. If you go the way SWToR goes you’ll have a much smaller player base. People will, rightfully, see it as a betrayal and walk away.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Genlog.4983

Genlog.4983

SWTOR have a better model what i like to see here to players that are premium get more out of this game but then again that game is F2P with allot of restrictions

so you are forced in a way to be a premium and it seems allot do that
so its rely up to how players how they want to spend there real cash ??

GW2 is B2P they sold many copies but will they stile gain money after that ??

Yes, they’ll still gain money after that. If you go the way SWToR goes you’ll have a much smaller player base. People will, rightfully, see it as a betrayal and walk away.

true but its always hard for a companie to keep it good running its not cheap
to run a companie with so many pll that work there

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

SWTOR have a better model what i like to see here to players that are premium get more out of this game but then again that game is F2P with allot of restrictions

so you are forced in a way to be a premium and it seems allot do that
so its rely up to how players how they want to spend there real cash ??

GW2 is B2P they sold many copies but will they stile gain money after that ??

Yes, they’ll still gain money after that. If you go the way SWToR goes you’ll have a much smaller player base. People will, rightfully, see it as a betrayal and walk away.

true but its always hard for a companie to keep it good running its not cheap
to run a companie with so many pll that work there

It’s why they have a business plan and it’s why they have contingency plans. NcSoft and Anet aren’t new companies. They’re doing fine. Not spectacular, but fine. The way it is now, if they could keep this up, it’s maintainable.

But if they’re working on an expansion in the background, as some of us suspect, fixing the core game now (as in this feature patch) is really something important and takes on another context altogether.

I used to manage a store that made most of it’s money in five months out of the year. Seven months out of the year, we did quite badly, particularly over the summer months. Any quarterly report over the summer made us look really bad. Doesn’t meany anything because companies have to think ahead to longer than quarters.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Sunshine.4680

Sunshine.4680

Doesn’t anet count how many accounts they have and not active accounts?

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Nick.6972

Nick.6972

The game most likely isn’t losing players at alarming pace, that being said, I do believe that the number of active players are decreasing.
The “updates” are very lackluster and I find it hard to believe that different tag colors and new traps will bring back burnt our WvW players who were not satisfied with the stale and repetitive game play.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: phys.7689

phys.7689

SWTOR have a better model what i like to see here to players that are premium get more out of this game but then again that game is F2P with allot of restrictions

so you are forced in a way to be a premium and it seems allot do that
so its rely up to how players how they want to spend there real cash ??

GW2 is B2P they sold many copies but will they stile gain money after that ??

Yes, they’ll still gain money after that. If you go the way SWToR goes you’ll have a much smaller player base. People will, rightfully, see it as a betrayal and walk away.

true but its always hard for a companie to keep it good running its not cheap
to run a companie with so many pll that work there

It’s why they have a business plan and it’s why they have contingency plans. NcSoft and Anet aren’t new companies. They’re doing fine. Not spectacular, but fine. The way it is now, if they could keep this up, it’s maintainable.

But if they’re working on an expansion in the background, as some of us suspect, fixing the core game now (as in this feature patch) is really something important and takes on another context altogether.

I used to manage a store that made most of it’s money in five months out of the year. Seven months out of the year, we did quite badly, particularly over the summer months. Any quarterly report over the summer made us look really bad. Doesn’t meany anything because companies have to think ahead to longer than quarters.

what quarter do you expect to pick up revenue? for anet i mean. Barring an expansion my guess is it will soon fall behind blade and soul.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Sarrs.4831

Sarrs.4831

Thanks a bunch for the rewrite, XyAltAcc.

Conclusion:

Anet should find stuff that sells well and put lots of it on the gem store.
such business acumen
many genius
wow

More seriously, I don’t know what their bread and butter is. I don’t know how the gemstore purchased items break down. It’s really hard to make a conclusion as to where their profits come from without that. I’m gonna take a wild stab and say that ANet needs to focus on delivering more of their bread-and-butter items, which I’m guessing are new character customizations and armor skins. I’d love to see how well the new outfits have done compared to armor skins.

One thing I find interesting; keyfarming will be dead and that may be an avenue for them to encourage people to spend money in the gemstore.

Also @Vayne interesting points. GW2 definitely does need to be viewed in a wider lens than yearly income and per-product income, as it’s one feature of NCsoft’s lineup, not the whole thing.

Nalhadia – Kaineng

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

SWTOR have a better model what i like to see here to players that are premium get more out of this game but then again that game is F2P with allot of restrictions

so you are forced in a way to be a premium and it seems allot do that
so its rely up to how players how they want to spend there real cash ??

GW2 is B2P they sold many copies but will they stile gain money after that ??

Yes, they’ll still gain money after that. If you go the way SWToR goes you’ll have a much smaller player base. People will, rightfully, see it as a betrayal and walk away.

true but its always hard for a companie to keep it good running its not cheap
to run a companie with so many pll that work there

It’s why they have a business plan and it’s why they have contingency plans. NcSoft and Anet aren’t new companies. They’re doing fine. Not spectacular, but fine. The way it is now, if they could keep this up, it’s maintainable.

But if they’re working on an expansion in the background, as some of us suspect, fixing the core game now (as in this feature patch) is really something important and takes on another context altogether.

I used to manage a store that made most of it’s money in five months out of the year. Seven months out of the year, we did quite badly, particularly over the summer months. Any quarterly report over the summer made us look really bad. Doesn’t meany anything because companies have to think ahead to longer than quarters.

what quarter do you expect to pick up revenue? for anet i mean. Barring an expansion my guess is it will soon fall behind blade and soul.

It doesn’t work that way.

Let’s say that Anet is planning an expansion to be released in March of next year. They don’t NEED to make more and more profit until then. They need to make enough profit to get TO them.

In my old business it was a quarter by quarter thing. For MMOs it’s a release to expansion type thing.

For a two year old game that has no expansion even announced, this game is doing fine. I mean during five years of development they had high expenses and no income until the preorder, right? That was four years into development.

So now they’re doing fine, and have to last with the income they have until the expansion whenever it is.

If they don’t have an expansion planned, or some big plan to get new players in/old players back, then you’re right. But if they do, then this is about what I’d expect, just as WoW always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions.

The numbers don’t work unless an expansion is coming. If there is one coming, they work fine.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

Ok.. here is some break down from someone who comes from the financial sector.

A downgrade from 30 to 25 million is not slight downgrade.
It is a little under 5%

For people who don’t care it is not looking too much.
But if we keep in mind that the chinese launch created at least 6 million more accounts
this number is devastating.
I don’t know how many of them are really active but the fact that GW2 accounts almost doubled and create 5 million $ less is a horrible sign for the financial
aspect of the game and raises red flags.

I agree with most poster here who say the Gem Store items are incredible bad
and even if you want to spend money you can’t find something you like.
The game taking the opposite direction to what the fans want isn’t helping either.

if u check the report again u will find the chinese launch does not account in the 25million of Q2, its account for loyalty fee which is prepaid to ncsoft maybe in 2013.and report did say thanks to Wildstar in EU/NA and gw2 launch in china blah blah blah.there is a growth in whole of gw2 for ncsoft but not in the 25million cuz it doesnt make sense if they put china release into 25million and said thanks to it we get 25million from gw2 and it help us increase revenue but its not as much as it sold in Q1

Wait a minute… maybe i haven’t been clear.

This report DOESN’T include Chinas box sales.
But it includes all transactions made at the Gem Store.
And that also includes chinese accounts buying there.

So it’s not ajust a slight drop in gem store sales, it’s also dropping wiht having more active accounts.
That is what i tried to point out.
And if the number who are rumored are correct and NC-Soft just sold 1 million
accounts in china we are in trouble.
I expected at least around 6 millions

It’s a royalty situation. KongZhong has licensed the game from ANet. ANet simply gets a cut off KongZhong’s GW2 income which includes both CD key and gem sales. That’s it. It may even be a cut of the net and not gross. What ever the amount, it gets booked on NCSOFT’s quarterly reports as royalty income and not in the income attributed to GW2, that’s purely NA/EU at the moment.

I don’t know why you expected 6 million accounts in China. The game was marketed as buy first which is unheard of in China’s F2P MMO marketplace. Nobody ponies up money first for an MMO there. It was a hard sell. They gave away cars. They got a big name Chinese pop star for the launch and music video. KongZhong attributes lower earnings last quarter due to all the marketing costs for GW2 and World of Planes. Read the darn transcript of the conference call I linked to earlier.

It’s like you are going out of your way to say the wrong things intentionally so when corrected you can act all shocked and panicky so you can say “see, GW2 is in trouble”.

We are heroes. This is what we do!

RIP City of Heroes

(edited by Behellagh.1468)

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: BlueZone.4236

BlueZone.4236

But if they do, then this is about what I’d expect, just as WoW always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions.

That’s wrong about WoW “always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions”. There’s only been four expansions released, the subscription numbers had been increasing up to the end of Cataclysm where it peaked.
Vanilla -> BC = increasing
BC – >WotLK = increasing
WotLK -> Cata = unknown
Cata -> MoP = yes, drop before gaining

I doubt ANet is working on an expansion. They’ve already got their plates full.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Shockwave.1230

Shockwave.1230

But if they do, then this is about what I’d expect, just as WoW always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions.

That’s wrong about WoW “always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions”. There’s only been four expansions released, the subscription numbers had been increasing up to the end of Cataclysm where it peaked.
Vanilla -> BC = increasing
BC – >WotLK = increasing
WotLK -> Cata = unknown
Cata -> MoP = yes, drop before gaining

I doubt ANet is working on an expansion. They’ve already got their plates full.

The way I interpreted that was WoW does expansions when they’re losing big numbers of subscribers.

COuld be wrong

Sylvari Elementalist – Mystree Duskbloom (Lv 80)
Norn Guardian – Aurora Lustyr (Lv 80)
Mia A Shadows Glow – Human Thief (Lv 80)

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

But if they do, then this is about what I’d expect, just as WoW always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions.

That’s wrong about WoW “always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions”. There’s only been four expansions released, the subscription numbers had been increasing up to the end of Cataclysm where it peaked.
Vanilla -> BC = increasing
BC – >WotLK = increasing
WotLK -> Cata = unknown
Cata -> MoP = yes, drop before gaining

I doubt ANet is working on an expansion. They’ve already got their plates full.

We’ll see. The guy from massively came to the same conclusion I did.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: BlueZone.4236

BlueZone.4236

But if they do, then this is about what I’d expect, just as WoW always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions.

That’s wrong about WoW “always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions”. There’s only been four expansions released, the subscription numbers had been increasing up to the end of Cataclysm where it peaked.
Vanilla -> BC = increasing
BC – >WotLK = increasing
WotLK -> Cata = unknown
Cata -> MoP = yes, drop before gaining

I doubt ANet is working on an expansion. They’ve already got their plates full.

The way I interpreted that was WoW does expansions when they’re losing big numbers of subscribers.

COuld be wrong

That still doesn’t make sense since the first two expansion were announced where it showed no sign of losing subscribers.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Sarrs.4831

Sarrs.4831

The way I interpreted that was WoW does expansions when they’re losing big numbers of subscribers.

COuld be wrong

No; WoW loses subscribers during the gap because they’re putting those dev resources towards the new expansion pack rather than to making new content.

That still doesn’t make sense since the first two expansion were announced where it showed no sign of losing subscribers.

Raiding wasn’t as ‘formalized’ as it is now, I don’t think- You still had to progress through several raids before reaching endgame. Because of that, a lot of players still had content to chew on. The reason people unsubbed was because of a lack of relevant ‘new’ content, the new patching cycle which does see this problem has ‘catchup’ mechanics which trivialize the old content.

Nalhadia – Kaineng

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

But if they do, then this is about what I’d expect, just as WoW always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions.

That’s wrong about WoW “always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions”. There’s only been four expansions released, the subscription numbers had been increasing up to the end of Cataclysm where it peaked.
Vanilla -> BC = increasing
BC – >WotLK = increasing
WotLK -> Cata = unknown
Cata -> MoP = yes, drop before gaining

I doubt ANet is working on an expansion. They’ve already got their plates full.

The way I interpreted that was WoW does expansions when they’re losing big numbers of subscribers.

COuld be wrong

That still doesn’t make sense since the first two expansion were announced where it showed no sign of losing subscribers.

Yes back when it was the only game in town or almost the only game in town. This is today and I’m talking about MMOs today and what’s happening wtih WoW this days. Much more competition now. So of course, if content gets old, people that like MMOs play another one.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: BlueZone.4236

BlueZone.4236

But if they do, then this is about what I’d expect, just as WoW always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions.

That’s wrong about WoW “always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions”. There’s only been four expansions released, the subscription numbers had been increasing up to the end of Cataclysm where it peaked.
Vanilla -> BC = increasing
BC – >WotLK = increasing
WotLK -> Cata = unknown
Cata -> MoP = yes, drop before gaining

I doubt ANet is working on an expansion. They’ve already got their plates full.

The way I interpreted that was WoW does expansions when they’re losing big numbers of subscribers.

COuld be wrong

That still doesn’t make sense since the first two expansion were announced where it showed no sign of losing subscribers.

Yes back when it was the only game in town or almost the only game in town. This is today and I’m talking about MMOs today and what’s happening wtih WoW this days. Much more competition now. So of course, if content gets old, people that like MMOs play another one.

So not always, just nowadays.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

But if they do, then this is about what I’d expect, just as WoW always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions.

That’s wrong about WoW “always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions”. There’s only been four expansions released, the subscription numbers had been increasing up to the end of Cataclysm where it peaked.
Vanilla -> BC = increasing
BC – >WotLK = increasing
WotLK -> Cata = unknown
Cata -> MoP = yes, drop before gaining

I doubt ANet is working on an expansion. They’ve already got their plates full.

The way I interpreted that was WoW does expansions when they’re losing big numbers of subscribers.

COuld be wrong

That still doesn’t make sense since the first two expansion were announced where it showed no sign of losing subscribers.

Yes back when it was the only game in town or almost the only game in town. This is today and I’m talking about MMOs today and what’s happening wtih WoW this days. Much more competition now. So of course, if content gets old, people that like MMOs play another one.

So not always, just nowadays.

I’m pretty sure that Anet didn’t make a business plan for always. They made a business plan for Guild Wars 2, at a time when Guild Wars 2 was being planned out and worked on. That has to reflect the realities of nowadays. That’s a business fact.

This is a business that changes every couple of years and changes drastically every five, six years. What happened to WoW even three or four years ago is old news and doesn’t fit into the argument.

Yes, I’m talking about the CURRENT quarterly report and the CURRENT business plan for a game that launched two years ago. That’s exactly what I’m discussing.

Because nothing that WoW did 6 years ago has 1 lick of relevance to todays situation, accept perhaps in setting the tone for the present.

People look at this business report and claim it’s bad. They didn’t claim it was bad 8 years ago. They claim it’s bad now. I say that businesses often have planned lulls and expectations. No one in the stock world is saying that Guild Wars 2 is performing below expectation and if no one is saying it, it’s probably not.

(edited by Vayne.8563)

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: BlueZone.4236

BlueZone.4236

Just so we’re clear, WoW did not “always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions.”

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

Just so we’re clear, WoW did not “always loses a big number of players before it’s expansions.”

Honestly, I can’t really think back that far, so I’ll have to take your word for it, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it’s true. But even back then, I remember when playing WoW, people were bored and stopped playing before the next one game out. My sons were die hard WOW players and the population drop to the end of a cycle was noticable.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: BlueZone.4236

BlueZone.4236

It’s a fact, and easy to google “wow subscription numbers trends”.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Behellagh.1468

Behellagh.1468

Then be my guest and post the results as well as the links you pulled them from.

We are heroes. This is what we do!

RIP City of Heroes

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

It’s a fact, and easy to google “wow subscription numbers trends”.

Sure is. It’s absolutely easy. Except even if it was the rest of my argument would stand unchanged. At this time, this report is fine if Anet is coming out with an expansion. That’s all I’m really interested in. I’m a lot less interested in what WoW did four, five years ago.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Septemptus.7164

Septemptus.7164

I’m not sure where you are getting that china is not included. The presentation specifically says that profit is up on GW2 because of china…

they only made 25 million INCLUDING china’s launch.

Not really new information, we knew the game was in trouble, the devs just refuse to give the players what they want.

I don’t think it’s “refusal” I think it’s lack of manpower and time to make it happen. True they have their own agenda’s which aren’t exactly conducive to player needs, but I’d like to think that they would give us what we wanted if they could.

I would say we got a lot of things in GW2 Gem store that player wanted, so if they weren’t as you would wished for that’s another story.

For example:
- new looks (faces and hair styles)
- outfits and armors some similar to GW1
- at least cool looking weapons skins (some resembling those bes in GW1)
- gathering nodes in home instance
- teleport to home instance

Some things we wanted failed – like silver-fer-salvage, but I hope they will fix it.

Summary:
I really think that gem store makes nice items, but there is a need for more and more and every player has their needs. Its hard to do it all in one time and also if they did it I think it would more harm than steady monthly releases as they do now.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: morrolan.9608

morrolan.9608

Comparing a game with even an optional subscription to a game that has none is really not that good, which is why the meta data people always put SWToR and Guild Wars 2 on separate lists.

Yes but if you want to compare the performance of different models…………..

Jade Quarry [SoX]
Miranda Zero – Ele / Twitch Zero – Mes / Chargrin Soulboom – Engi
Aliera Zero – Guardian / Reaver Zero – Necro

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

Comparing a game with even an optional subscription to a game that has none is really not that good, which is why the meta data people always put SWToR and Guild Wars 2 on separate lists.

Yes but if you want to compare the performance of different models…………..

Then you run into other problems, because even comparing the performance of different models then wouldn’t account for a lot of other factors.

For example, there are X number of sub games and X number of free to play games. Some free to play games are pay to win and make more money from less people because of it, but then how much do those games cost to maintain? Guild Wars 2 is one of the few games that’s actually buy to play and there’s very little to compare it to in it’s own areas. It’s almost the only buy to play MMORPG that doesn’t have an optional subscription, in fact, I can’t think of any others off hand.

Comparing across lines like that would work better if the payment model was the main reason for a companies success or failure. I think most games tend to succeed or fail not based on the payment model.

It can be done…I just question the value of it.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Erukk.1408

Erukk.1408

I’m not all that surprised that Q2 profits dipped a bit. Other than the Feature Pack, April to June offered a whole lot of nothing really. I know I, and I’m sure many other players as well, took a long break from the game during that time, and the decrease in player activity would naturally lead to a decrease in gem sells.

Personally, I’m surprised the dip in profits wasn’t bigger.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

I’m not all that surprised that Q2 profits dipped a bit. Other than the Feature Pack, April to June offered a whole lot of nothing really. I know I, and I’m sure many other players as well, took a long break from the game during that time, and the decrease in player activity would naturally lead to a decrease in gem sells.

Personally, I’m surprised the dip in profits wasn’t bigger.

It’s not even that. April was the release of ESO (which isn’t doing all that well) and June was the release of Wildstar (which isn’t doing all that well). That means that within that quarter, two competing games were released and people went to check them out. Many have already left those games.

Now you’ll have the open beta for AA to be pulling people away for a bit. I’m not surprised it didn’t dip more because I believe there are a lot of people who ARE happy with this game and playing and buying gems. But obviously there are people who’ll go and check out the new games.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: BlueZone.4236

BlueZone.4236

Then be my guest and post the results as well as the links you pulled them from.

You’ll have to forgive me, as I’m giving Vayne the same respect he gave me whenever he never gives sources/links.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

Then be my guest and post the results as well as the links you pulled them from.

You’ll have to forgive me, as I’m giving Vayne the same respect he gave me whenever he never gives sources/links.

I give sources and links when I have the time and energy to do so. It has nothing to do with respect. It has to do with fatigue. Research was part of how I made my living. Looking stuff up to prove a point often doesn’t appeal to me. When you get paid to do something, you often want to do it less in your spare time.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: BlueZone.4236

BlueZone.4236

Then be my guest and post the results as well as the links you pulled them from.

You’ll have to forgive me, as I’m giving Vayne the same respect he gave me whenever he never gives sources/links.

I give sources and links when I have the time and energy to do so. It has nothing to do with respect. It has to do with fatigue. Research was part of how I made my living. Looking stuff up to prove a point often doesn’t appeal to me. When you get paid to do something, you often want to do it less in your spare time.

Ok, that’s pretty hypocritical that you keep preaching on about proofs and facts, yet here we are without your proofs.

Since “looking stuff up to prove a point often doesn’t appeal to” you, then I’m gonna claim this game is dying.
Thank you.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: KarlaGrey.5903

KarlaGrey.5903

Looking stuff up to prove a point often doesn’t appeal to me.

Because proving a point on the basis of personal beliefs and expectations is the way to go in a debate of facts (annual Q results, profit/loss) and elsewhere, amirite.

+1 to Blue. The double standards and hypocrisy is over 9000, really.

RIP ‘gf left me coz of ladderboard’ Total views: 71,688 Total posts: 363

(edited by KarlaGrey.5903)

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

Then be my guest and post the results as well as the links you pulled them from.

You’ll have to forgive me, as I’m giving Vayne the same respect he gave me whenever he never gives sources/links.

I give sources and links when I have the time and energy to do so. It has nothing to do with respect. It has to do with fatigue. Research was part of how I made my living. Looking stuff up to prove a point often doesn’t appeal to me. When you get paid to do something, you often want to do it less in your spare time.

Ok, that’s pretty hypocritical that you keep preaching on about proofs and facts, yet here we are without your proofs.

Since “looking stuff up to prove a point often doesn’t appeal to” you, then I’m gonna claim this game is dying.
Thank you.

Very often when I quote something, someone else thoughtfully provides a link. Some of what I say isn’t actually linkable, because it’s a combination of things I"ve learned over playing games for the years I’ve played. There’s no one link to that.

I firmly believe that hard core players are in the minority and I have seen in the past lots of devs say lots of things that lead me to believe that’s true. I say that this is my opinion and it seems to be backed up by what I’ve heard devs say. It doesn’t require a link. Because I’m talking about something I heard six months ago, last year, the year before, the year before, the year before. Links like that would be far buried and no matter what I provide, people will disagree anyway. That’s called a bad time investment.

You can say the game is dying and I’ll say it’s not and the quarterly report shows it’s not.

When I can furnish a link, I do. When I can’t I state what I believe to be true.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

Looking stuff up to prove a point often doesn’t appeal to me.

Because proving a point on the basis of personal beliefs and expectations is the way to go in a debate of facts, and elsewhere, amirite.

+1 to Blue.

Nothing I say will ever convince you. Last time I provided a link about what I was saying, it was scoffed at anyway. I’ve already provided the link on what that lotro dev said about raiders in at least two different threads.

I’ve provided links in the past. There’s nothing to provide a link to here, because what I’m saying here, straight up, is that companies have a business plan and without seeing that plan, you can’t tell how well they’re doing. What link would you suggest I provide for that.

Blue is mad because in my analysis I used the word “always” to refer to a situation, when it should have read “current”. Nothing else I’ve said changes in definition or truth.

Unless you think that somehow a single quarter of a business plan is somehow indicative of how well a company is doing, then you’d theoretically agree with me.

This is my statement on this topic so you can agree or disagree as you will.

“It is my opinion that if Anet is making an expansion, as I and some other people believe, than this report if perfectly fine. If they are not currently working on an expansion, this report would be more worrying.”

There you go. That’s the statement. Since we don’t know if they’re working on an expansion or not, we can’t know how to take this report.

If you have links to prove one way or another, feel free to present them.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

Then be my guest and post the results as well as the links you pulled them from.

You’ll have to forgive me, as I’m giving Vayne the same respect he gave me whenever he never gives sources/links.

I give sources and links when I have the time and energy to do so. It has nothing to do with respect. It has to do with fatigue. Research was part of how I made my living. Looking stuff up to prove a point often doesn’t appeal to me. When you get paid to do something, you often want to do it less in your spare time.

Ok, that’s pretty hypocritical that you keep preaching on about proofs and facts, yet here we are without your proofs.

Since “looking stuff up to prove a point often doesn’t appeal to” you, then I’m gonna claim this game is dying.
Thank you.

This isn’t a situation about proof and facts and not every situation is. There is one fact though.

Only NcSoft and Anet know what they’re planning and without knowing what they’re planning it’s quite impossible to determine how good or bad they’re doing from a quarterly report.

That’s a fact. I don’t have a link, because what link could anyone offer to make it a fact.

If an expansion is in the works, as many suspect, this is quite acceptable. If an expansion isn’t in the works, then this is a lot more worrisome.

There’s no links that you can give to illustrate the truth of these statements, but that doesn’t make them any less true.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: BlueZone.4236

BlueZone.4236

There’s actually many signs why an expansion isn’t in the works.

New classes and skills? Can’t break the game’s balance.
New races? Personal story is inconsistent with the current world state, not repeatable, the cut scenes & dialogue style has changed numerous times breaking consistency.
New maps? 6 months – 1 year to make per map.
New game modes or dungeons? Can’t spread the playerbase too thinly or modes that are not casual friendly.

Many people may believe they haven’t released an expansion worth of content (I’m one of them), but I can believe they’ve spent an expansion’s worth of development work.

Heck, the new trading post took nearly two years to make.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: MikaHR.1978

MikaHR.1978

“figures from mmorpg.com”

rofl

SWTOR made nowhere near 150m$, It made 5$. You see how easy it is to throw random numbers around.

Basing other games revenues on random internet numbers…well…yeah. EA hides SWTOR numbers (lumps it with games like FIFA franchise for revenue rofl), and, if you actually READ EAs FINACIAL REPORT youll find they indicated SWTOR as one of the games thats HOLDING BACK their microtransantions AND subscription revenue (mentioned specifically in bots sections)

So yeah….random internet numbers=bad.

Colin Johanson: “Everyone, including casual gamers, by level 80 should have the
best statistical loot in the game. We want everyone on an equal power base.”

(edited by MikaHR.1978)

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

There’s actually many signs why an expansion isn’t in the works.

New classes and skills? Can’t break the game’s balance.
New races? Personal story is inconsistent with the current world state, not repeatable, the cut scenes & dialogue style has changed numerous times breaking consistency.
New maps? 6 months – 1 year to make per map.
New game modes or dungeons? Can’t spread the playerbase too thinly or modes that are not casual friendly.

Many people may believe they haven’t released an expansion worth of content (I’m one of them), but I can believe they’ve spent an expansion’s worth of development work.

Heck, the new trading post took nearly two years to make.

Anet said it would release new skills and they really haven’t. Why not? Could it be they want to release new skills all at once?

Anet said they didn’t want to release new zones because it would depopulate old zones. But that’s why the mega server is being worked on and improved.

There’s no real point in creating a new leveling experience for the few new copies of the game they’re selling so why put time and energy into it, unless of course they’re expecting an influx of new people.

Personal story can certainly be done with a new race, because they’ll do what they did with existing races. I’m sure Tengu could be fit in to use Caledon Forest as a starting area. The experience would be the same as it is for people playing alts now.

In the most recent issue of Flame Seeker Chronicles on Massively (hold on let me get that link for you http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/09/02/flameseeker-chronicles-whats-next-for-guild-wars-2/ ) the author came to the same conclusion I did.

Oh and NCsoft announced that an expansion for Guild Wars 2 will be coming in 2015, even though Anet denies it (hang on let me find that link http://www.kdbdw.com/bbs/download/182450.pdf?attachmentId=182450 ).

Let me also paste the relevant line: However, NCsoft is scheduled to launch an
expansion pack for Guild Wars 2 in the US and Europe in 2015.

We will see.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Devata.6589

Devata.6589

NCsoft released their 2014 Q2 financial report.
(http://www.ncsoft.net/global/ir/earnings.aspx)

GW2 generated about 25 million dollars in the last 3 months, a little bit less compared to Q1(30 million $), which is almost the same as 2013 Q4. I don’t have early figures about the whole 2013 fiscal year, but here I can come up with some financial status about GW2. Yes it remains stable, and is probably going to reach 100 million dollars at the end of 2014. I know YoY2013 is a little bit decreasing, but if u take a look at other major MMOs on the market (swtor, wildstar, eso, ff14). I have done some research on these MMOs (each game forum, 3rd party figures from mmorpg.com), every figure I saw told me GW2 surely has the largest player base among those MMOs, but nearly gets the lowest revenue(swtor get 150million in 2013, which has the smallest player base among those MMOs above).

[snip for brevity]

Summary: Of all the mmos that was mentioned before, GW2 has largest player base, while making the lowest revenue (it’s still stable 2 years after launch which is good). Anet you really need to reconsider the stuff on gemstore and decide what to do next. Do it quickly.


English isn’t my native language but I gave it a try.

Good editing!

I think we can draw several conclusions from this data:

1. No hard data on other MMOs, just handwaving.

2. GW2 pricing model does not align ArenaNet’s interests with the interests of players who stay with the game. ArenaNet is incented to bring in new players (which is where most of their money comes in) but does not have the revenue stream to support continued development of content of the quality and depth of that which was in the game at release.

3. If we don’t see Wildstar revenue up next quarter, then Wildstar will have peaked at far fewer players than GW2 (even ignoring the China launch, which probably dwarfs the U.S. in player count already). However, if the average revenue per player per month of Wildstar dwarfs that of GW2, Wildstar will be able to provide at least some level of ongoing quality content in the way the GW2 business model cannot. It will be interesting to see whether GW2 or Wildstar has the higher revenue a year from now, after the initial box purchase effects of GW2-China and Wildstar release have passed.

4. I’d much rather have paid a sub for GW2 at release, and kept the people who originally developed the game in charge, doing expansions in the expected style of MMOs. In that sense the B2P financial model choice for GW2 has been a failure, not just for ArenaNet, but for its customers.

Stop calling the model they use B2P because it’s not. They now focus on the cash-shop to generate sales not on the game because if they would do that we would have had about 2 expansions by not to generate income. That would likely have been a bigger success as it was for GW1. If anything was not a success (not saying it was a failure form a financial viewpoint either) it’s the cash-shop model the shifted to.

It’s annoying if people name it B2P because it gives a bad name to B2P while it’s exactly the fact that it’s not a true B2P model that’s the problem here.

GW1 got about 100% of it’s original income at every expansion so with that income they should be able to keep up the high quality in stead of having to focus on getting people to buy gems to generate the needed income and having a lesser game for it.

About P2P. No I would want that. Not counting in games released lets say the last 1 / 2 years as they still have to proof themselves any game released after WoW (10 years ago) was not successful with the P2P model. It just does not seem to work any-more. Personally I don’t like it because I don’t like to have a timer over my head all the time.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: BlueZone.4236

BlueZone.4236

There’s actually many signs why an expansion isn’t in the works.

New classes and skills? Can’t break the game’s balance.
New races? Personal story is inconsistent with the current world state, not repeatable, the cut scenes & dialogue style has changed numerous times breaking consistency.
New maps? 6 months – 1 year to make per map.
New game modes or dungeons? Can’t spread the playerbase too thinly or modes that are not casual friendly.

Many people may believe they haven’t released an expansion worth of content (I’m one of them), but I can believe they’ve spent an expansion’s worth of development work.

Heck, the new trading post took nearly two years to make.

Anet said it would release new skills and they really haven’t. Why not? Could it be they want to release new skills all at once?

Anet said they didn’t want to release new zones because it would depopulate old zones. But that’s why the mega server is being worked on and improved.

There’s no real point in creating a new leveling experience for the few new copies of the game they’re selling so why put time and energy into it, unless of course they’re expecting an influx of new people.

Personal story can certainly be done with a new race, because they’ll do what they did with existing races. I’m sure Tengu could be fit in to use Caledon Forest as a starting area. The experience would be the same as it is for people playing alts now.

In the most recent issue of Flame Seeker Chronicles on Massively (hold on let me get that link for you http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/09/02/flameseeker-chronicles-whats-next-for-guild-wars-2/ ) the author came to the same conclusion I did.

Oh and NCsoft announced that an expansion for Guild Wars 2 will be coming in 2015, even though Anet denies it (hang on let me find that link http://www.kdbdw.com/bbs/download/182450.pdf?attachmentId=182450 ).

Let me also paste the relevant line: However, NCsoft is scheduled to launch an
expansion pack for Guild Wars 2 in the US and Europe in 2015.

We will see.

No, I doubt they’ll release a lot of skills all at once because
a) Too much to balance for them
b) They want to give each class specific roles.

Depopulation? Even more reasons to not give an expansion’s worth of maps.

Creating a new leveling experience? No idea what you’re talking about here, but they said they wanted to improve this area, hence what the upcoming feature pack intends to do (doubt it’ll be any good, though).

Again, with the personal story, I doubt they want to use the “old” technique. I’m sure players will be utterly confused over the difference in story telling techniques in the old personal story compared to the living story, or fractals, or ANet will use that excuse if needed.

Speculating from a game journalist means nothing, other than speculations.

Here’s something on your second link:

Disclaimers

This report is published by Daewoo Securities Co., Ltd. (“Daewoo”), a broker-dealer registered in the Republic of Korea and a member of the Korea Exchange.
Information and opinions contained herein have been compiled from sources believed to be reliable and in good faith, but such information has not been independently verified and Daewoo makes no guarantee, representation or warranty, express or implied, as to the fairness, accuracy, completeness or correctness of the information and opinions contained herein or of any translation into English from the Korean language.

NCSoft has made zero official announcements on an expansion.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: rapthorne.7345

rapthorne.7345

From a financial perspective, ArenaNet really do need to add better and more varied items to their cash shop. While some players against buying gems may object to this, it’s for the game’s health.

I suspect a large part of why GW2’s profits are so low is the inclusion of the gold > gem trading, which means anyone with enough gold can simply trade gold for gems, and it seems a large number of 80’s who have been around for a long time have several thousand gold on hand, enough to buy tens of thousands of gems (10g ~ 100 gems), which is a huge net loss in potential profits.

If anything should be done at all, I think the gold > gem exchange should be closed, to better the health of the game (selfish desires to get cash shop items for free aside), or modified to allow only people who have gems to barter with to put up their gems for sale to people wishing to buy (Similar to how Perfect World do it)

Resident smug Englishman on the NA servers, just because.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

There’s actually many signs why an expansion isn’t in the works.

New classes and skills? Can’t break the game’s balance.
New races? Personal story is inconsistent with the current world state, not repeatable, the cut scenes & dialogue style has changed numerous times breaking consistency.
New maps? 6 months – 1 year to make per map.
New game modes or dungeons? Can’t spread the playerbase too thinly or modes that are not casual friendly.

Many people may believe they haven’t released an expansion worth of content (I’m one of them), but I can believe they’ve spent an expansion’s worth of development work.

Heck, the new trading post took nearly two years to make.

Anet said it would release new skills and they really haven’t. Why not? Could it be they want to release new skills all at once?

Anet said they didn’t want to release new zones because it would depopulate old zones. But that’s why the mega server is being worked on and improved.

There’s no real point in creating a new leveling experience for the few new copies of the game they’re selling so why put time and energy into it, unless of course they’re expecting an influx of new people.

Personal story can certainly be done with a new race, because they’ll do what they did with existing races. I’m sure Tengu could be fit in to use Caledon Forest as a starting area. The experience would be the same as it is for people playing alts now.

In the most recent issue of Flame Seeker Chronicles on Massively (hold on let me get that link for you http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/09/02/flameseeker-chronicles-whats-next-for-guild-wars-2/ ) the author came to the same conclusion I did.

Oh and NCsoft announced that an expansion for Guild Wars 2 will be coming in 2015, even though Anet denies it (hang on let me find that link http://www.kdbdw.com/bbs/download/182450.pdf?attachmentId=182450 ).

Let me also paste the relevant line: However, NCsoft is scheduled to launch an
expansion pack for Guild Wars 2 in the US and Europe in 2015.

We will see.

No, I doubt they’ll release a lot of skills all at once because
a) Too much to balance for them
b) They want to give each class specific roles.

Depopulation? Even more reasons to not give an expansion’s worth of maps.

Creating a new leveling experience? No idea what you’re talking about here, but they said they wanted to improve this area, hence what the upcoming feature pack intends to do (doubt it’ll be any good, though).

Again, with the personal story, I doubt they want to use the “old” technique. I’m sure players will be utterly confused over the difference in story telling techniques in the old personal story compared to the living story, or fractals, or ANet will use that excuse if needed.

Speculating from a game journalist means nothing, other than speculations.

Here’s something on your second link:

Disclaimers

This report is published by Daewoo Securities Co., Ltd. (“Daewoo”), a broker-dealer registered in the Republic of Korea and a member of the Korea Exchange.
Information and opinions contained herein have been compiled from sources believed to be reliable and in good faith, but such information has not been independently verified and Daewoo makes no guarantee, representation or warranty, express or implied, as to the fairness, accuracy, completeness or correctness of the information and opinions contained herein or of any translation into English from the Korean language.

NCSoft has made zero official announcements on an expansion.

NcSoft at a much older stock call said, they’ll be announcing an expansion for Guild Wars 2 when it make sense to do so.

The information from Daewoo says an expansion is scheduled, not that they’re predicting it.

Edit: Here’s a link to another article that claims NCsoft has approved a Guild Wars 2 expansion and that it’s “being worked on”.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/13/4325904/guild-wars-2-expansion-pack-is-being-prepared-says-ncsoft

Edit 2: And another link to show that NcSoft said it.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x101h1d_ncsoft-is-prepping-an-expansion-pack-for-guild-wars-2_videogames

(edited by Vayne.8563)

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Tobias Trueflight.8350

Tobias Trueflight.8350

It’s slightly veering away from topic but:

Vayne . . . I messaged you before and I was serious. I don’t think what ANet is . . . (should) be banking on is an expansion. That’s not what made WoW big in the first place, after all. What made it big on entry were two things:

- It was fairly low with the system requirements. This meant a lot of people could play it on “toasters”, essentially. That’s something GW2 also has – you can play it on fairly simple-to-procure computers so long as you don’t mind it not running at high framerates all the time.

- It launched on a completely untapped market: people who had Mac OSX who could play the same MMO as their PC gamer friends. It’s not surprising it got some traction much like FF14:ARR has some traction due to having some people who have consoles who can play the same game as their PC-using friends.

ANet’s already working on optimization and trying to tweak that around. Given the sudden lack of updates on the OSX Beta Client . . . it is equally possible that is their next step rather than an expansion.

Of course it’s equally possible they could blow up Rata Sum introducing Primordius’ Destroyers again by having the Central Transfer Chamber realign a link to the wealth of asura gates in Rata Sum.

Seeking assistants for the Asuran Catapult Project. Applicants will be tested for aerodynamics.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Shockwave.1230

Shockwave.1230

All signs point to a large content expansion of some kind. Rebuilding the new player experience in a way that they could implement in NA and EU, which they didn’t have to do…

Why do that when most of your box sales occur during your initial launch? Especially when the leveling experience is a smaller part of an mmo the longer it gets in its life cycle?

Isn’t that value going to be completely missed by most of the player base?

Not if you launch an expansion that will have a new race and/or profession.

The earnings call where they mention the expansion is also pretty compelling lol. I remember reading that transcript.

Sylvari Elementalist – Mystree Duskbloom (Lv 80)
Norn Guardian – Aurora Lustyr (Lv 80)
Mia A Shadows Glow – Human Thief (Lv 80)

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: BlueZone.4236

BlueZone.4236

There’s actually many signs why an expansion isn’t in the works.

New classes and skills? Can’t break the game’s balance.
New races? Personal story is inconsistent with the current world state, not repeatable, the cut scenes & dialogue style has changed numerous times breaking consistency.
New maps? 6 months – 1 year to make per map.
New game modes or dungeons? Can’t spread the playerbase too thinly or modes that are not casual friendly.

Many people may believe they haven’t released an expansion worth of content (I’m one of them), but I can believe they’ve spent an expansion’s worth of development work.

Heck, the new trading post took nearly two years to make.

Anet said it would release new skills and they really haven’t. Why not? Could it be they want to release new skills all at once?

Anet said they didn’t want to release new zones because it would depopulate old zones. But that’s why the mega server is being worked on and improved.

There’s no real point in creating a new leveling experience for the few new copies of the game they’re selling so why put time and energy into it, unless of course they’re expecting an influx of new people.

Personal story can certainly be done with a new race, because they’ll do what they did with existing races. I’m sure Tengu could be fit in to use Caledon Forest as a starting area. The experience would be the same as it is for people playing alts now.

In the most recent issue of Flame Seeker Chronicles on Massively (hold on let me get that link for you http://massively.joystiq.com/2014/09/02/flameseeker-chronicles-whats-next-for-guild-wars-2/ ) the author came to the same conclusion I did.

Oh and NCsoft announced that an expansion for Guild Wars 2 will be coming in 2015, even though Anet denies it (hang on let me find that link http://www.kdbdw.com/bbs/download/182450.pdf?attachmentId=182450 ).

Let me also paste the relevant line: However, NCsoft is scheduled to launch an
expansion pack for Guild Wars 2 in the US and Europe in 2015.

We will see.

No, I doubt they’ll release a lot of skills all at once because
a) Too much to balance for them
b) They want to give each class specific roles.

Depopulation? Even more reasons to not give an expansion’s worth of maps.

Creating a new leveling experience? No idea what you’re talking about here, but they said they wanted to improve this area, hence what the upcoming feature pack intends to do (doubt it’ll be any good, though).

Again, with the personal story, I doubt they want to use the “old” technique. I’m sure players will be utterly confused over the difference in story telling techniques in the old personal story compared to the living story, or fractals, or ANet will use that excuse if needed.

Speculating from a game journalist means nothing, other than speculations.

Here’s something on your second link:

Disclaimers

This report is published by Daewoo Securities Co., Ltd. (“Daewoo”), a broker-dealer registered in the Republic of Korea and a member of the Korea Exchange.
Information and opinions contained herein have been compiled from sources believed to be reliable and in good faith, but such information has not been independently verified and Daewoo makes no guarantee, representation or warranty, express or implied, as to the fairness, accuracy, completeness or correctness of the information and opinions contained herein or of any translation into English from the Korean language.

NCSoft has made zero official announcements on an expansion.

NcSoft at a much older stock call said, they’ll be announcing an expansion for Guild Wars 2 when it make sense to do so.

The information from Daewoo says an expansion is scheduled, not that they’re predicting it.

Edit: Here’s a link to another article that claims NCsoft has approved a Guild Wars 2 expansion and that it’s “being worked on”.

http://www.polygon.com/2013/5/13/4325904/guild-wars-2-expansion-pack-is-being-prepared-says-ncsoft

Edit 2: And another link to show that NcSoft said it.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x101h1d_ncsoft-is-prepping-an-expansion-pack-for-guild-wars-2_videogames

Remember when they announced the precursor hunt and decided not to proceed with it. Yeah, probably the same deal here, but at least ANet and NCSoft did not make a public announcement on an expansion. That iterative company being iterative!

Also, here’s Daewoo’s latest article with a clear omission on GW2 expansion.
http://www.kdbdw.com/bbs/download/187891.pdf?attachmentId=187891
If you’re wondering why…well, I think we know why.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

The only question is how the expansion content will be delivered. I believe they’re working on at least 1 new profession and 1 new race. I believe they’re working on a skill pack. I believe they’re working on new areas to explore.

Will it be a boxed expansion? That I can’t say. Do I firmly believe this stuff is being worked on to be delivered into the game somehow.

I really do.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Shockwave.1230

Shockwave.1230

The only question is how the expansion content will be delivered. I believe they’re working on at least 1 new profession and 1 new race. I believe they’re working on a skill pack. I believe they’re working on new areas to explore.

Will it be a boxed expansion? That I can’t say. Do I firmly believe this stuff is being worked on to be delivered into the game somehow.

I really do.

I cant see them implementing this content slowly, via numerous smaller updates. If you release a full boxed expansion, it creates hype and the more hype the bigger the draw.

Now if they were to released a full box worth of expansion just for buying the base game… Would that create more hype than a b2p expansion to the point it’d be worth doing? Idk.

Sylvari Elementalist – Mystree Duskbloom (Lv 80)
Norn Guardian – Aurora Lustyr (Lv 80)
Mia A Shadows Glow – Human Thief (Lv 80)

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

The only question is how the expansion content will be delivered. I believe they’re working on at least 1 new profession and 1 new race. I believe they’re working on a skill pack. I believe they’re working on new areas to explore.

Will it be a boxed expansion? That I can’t say. Do I firmly believe this stuff is being worked on to be delivered into the game somehow.

I really do.

I cant see them implementing this content slowly, via numerous smaller updates. If you release a full boxed expansion, it creates hype and the more hype the bigger the draw.

Now if they were to released a full box worth of expansion just for buying the base game… Would that create more hype than a b2p expansion to the point it’d be worth doing? Idk.

From what I can tell, and this is ALL speculation. I don’t have proof. I have no links…

Anet wants to provide these updates through the living story, not a boxed update. The idea is that we then have all players on the same page, since everyone can use them. They believe keeping everyone playing is better than breaking them up by having one group buy the expansion, which would create a rift in the player base. Again just an opinion not fact.

I believe NcSoft, who has to shoulder the financial risk wants an actual tried and true expansion which is considered less risky.

Originally NcSoft said their would be an expansion. Then they said, we’ll see. They’re looking at numbers. If the sales of gems gets too small, then an actual boxed expansion will be how the content is released.

If the gem store sales remain strong enough, then we’ll probably see another delivery method.

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Shockwave.1230

Shockwave.1230

The only question is how the expansion content will be delivered. I believe they’re working on at least 1 new profession and 1 new race. I believe they’re working on a skill pack. I believe they’re working on new areas to explore.

Will it be a boxed expansion? That I can’t say. Do I firmly believe this stuff is being worked on to be delivered into the game somehow.

I really do.

I cant see them implementing this content slowly, via numerous smaller updates. If you release a full boxed expansion, it creates hype and the more hype the bigger the draw.

Now if they were to released a full box worth of expansion just for buying the base game… Would that create more hype than a b2p expansion to the point it’d be worth doing? Idk.

From what I can tell, and this is ALL speculation. I don’t have proof. I have no links…

Anet wants to provide these updates through the living story, not a boxed update. The idea is that we then have all players on the same page, since everyone can use them. They believe keeping everyone playing is better than breaking them up by having one group buy the expansion, which would create a rift in the player base. Again just an opinion not fact.

I believe NcSoft, who has to shoulder the financial risk wants an actual tried and true expansion which is considered less risky.

Originally NcSoft said their would be an expansion. Then they said, we’ll see. They’re looking at numbers. If the sales of gems gets too small, then an actual boxed expansion will be how the content is released.

If the gem store sales remain strong enough, then we’ll probably see another delivery method.

The thing about doing the living story is it doesn’t create excitement for NC Soft or investors. Which may be a problem.

But also as a player my experience has been disappointment numerous times with the living story releases, but the last 3 I’ve been content with. And the very last one I was very happy with.

Because I feel like ANet feels that people feel that releases until recently have been underwhelming, I think they would like to do a free release expansion. But they’d have to justify that to NC Soft somehow, and I don’t know how they’d do it.

Maybe some kind of compromise that is similar to if you missed a living story journal. But how do you market that properly to get new players involved too? Do a relaunch of GW2?

Sylvari Elementalist – Mystree Duskbloom (Lv 80)
Norn Guardian – Aurora Lustyr (Lv 80)
Mia A Shadows Glow – Human Thief (Lv 80)

the ncsoft finacial report surprised me alot

in Guild Wars 2 Discussion

Posted by: Vayne.8563

Vayne.8563

The only question is how the expansion content will be delivered. I believe they’re working on at least 1 new profession and 1 new race. I believe they’re working on a skill pack. I believe they’re working on new areas to explore.

Will it be a boxed expansion? That I can’t say. Do I firmly believe this stuff is being worked on to be delivered into the game somehow.

I really do.

I cant see them implementing this content slowly, via numerous smaller updates. If you release a full boxed expansion, it creates hype and the more hype the bigger the draw.

Now if they were to released a full box worth of expansion just for buying the base game… Would that create more hype than a b2p expansion to the point it’d be worth doing? Idk.

From what I can tell, and this is ALL speculation. I don’t have proof. I have no links…

Anet wants to provide these updates through the living story, not a boxed update. The idea is that we then have all players on the same page, since everyone can use them. They believe keeping everyone playing is better than breaking them up by having one group buy the expansion, which would create a rift in the player base. Again just an opinion not fact.

I believe NcSoft, who has to shoulder the financial risk wants an actual tried and true expansion which is considered less risky.

Originally NcSoft said their would be an expansion. Then they said, we’ll see. They’re looking at numbers. If the sales of gems gets too small, then an actual boxed expansion will be how the content is released.

If the gem store sales remain strong enough, then we’ll probably see another delivery method.

The thing about doing the living story is it doesn’t create excitement for NC Soft or investors. Which may be a problem.

But also as a player my experience has been disappointment numerous times with the living story releases, but the last 3 I’ve been content with. And the very last one I was very happy with.

Because I feel like ANet feels that people feel that relates until recently have been underwhelming, I think they would like to do a free release expansion. But they’d have to justify that to NC Soft somehow, and I don’t know how they’d do it.

Maybe some kind of compromise that is similar to if you missed a living story journal. But how do you market that properly to get new players involved too? Do a relaunch of GW2?

So how does this change when Anet says a new race or new profession is coming? No one will come to try it? No one will buy the game when they see we’re getting stuff like that for free?

I don’t have an answer to those questions, but I think Anet is banking in the idea that if they can provide for free what other’s charge for, that will start catching on and snowballing. I don’t know if they’re right. I don’t even know if I’m right about that’s their thinking. lol