Guild Wars 2

this is a question for anet about triple trouble

now i know that time and time again u have said that it is SUPPOSED to be very very hard, but is it? certainly very few people succeed at it, but is that because its hard? or because its exclusive?

as it stands now you either have a 100% chance to succeed if you get onto THE MAP or a 0% chance to succeed if you dont, why? because basically only 1 guild organizes it, and this guild forces all its members into one map, any1 who wants to get in that map has to join their teamspeak server or has no chance to get in

this is not fair not fun and not challenging, its also potentially dangerous. imagine the future if we are forced by private guilds to open 3rd party content to participate in the game, they might send us to their websites and steal our information, im not saying this one guild does do this….but consider it a possible future.

so is the triple trouble event working as anet intended?

SOLUTION
this thread has finally started to reach a constructive solution, what if we add a button to the open world content section of LFG system to suggest that an event will be up “soon” (for big event it gives more time cuz those need organization) and if you click this button it will extract a WP fee and port you to the instance that is currently filling up, ensuring that while these bosses are not changed AT ALL that people wanting organized attempts can find eachotehr easier.

It does need the coordination that teamspeak brings. It does need people who know it. It does not need one guild ( I know of about 3 that do it regularly though). Get two others and a teamspeak channel and you too can have an overwhelming number of people to do it with.

Duke Nukem.6783:

this is a question for anet about triple trouble

now i know that time and time again u have said that it is SUPPOSED to be very very hard, but is it? certainly very few people succeed at it, but is that because its hard? or because its exclusive?

as it stands now you either have a 100% chance to succeed if you get onto THE MAP or a 0% chance to succeed if you dont, why? because basically only 1 guild organizes it, and this guild forces all its members into one map, any1 who wants to get in that map has to join their teamspeak server or has no chance to get in

this is not fair not fun and not challenging, its also potentially dangerous. imagine the future if we are forced by private guilds to open 3rd party content to participate in the game, they might send us to their websites and steal our information, im not saying this one guild does do this….but consider it a possible future.

so is the triple trouble event working as anet intended?

Yes it is working as intended.

Yargesh.4965:

It does need the coordination that teamspeak brings. It does need people who know it. It does not need one guild ( I know of about 3 that do it regularly though). Get two others and a teamspeak channel and you too can have an overwhelming number of people to do it with.

it certainly needs some coordination but at present its either “use our products and our guild recogniton and do as we say or dont do the content” thats a problem

and i think your oversimplifying the problem if your telling me to get 2 other ppl and a teamspeak channel, im certain not every1 on the map needs to be in teamspeak for even the most complicated games ever made

kokiman.2364:

Duke Nukem.6783:

this is a question for anet about triple trouble

now i know that time and time again u have said that it is SUPPOSED to be very very hard, but is it? certainly very few people succeed at it, but is that because its hard? or because its exclusive?

as it stands now you either have a 100% chance to succeed if you get onto THE MAP or a 0% chance to succeed if you dont, why? because basically only 1 guild organizes it, and this guild forces all its members into one map, any1 who wants to get in that map has to join their teamspeak server or has no chance to get in

this is not fair not fun and not challenging, its also potentially dangerous. imagine the future if we are forced by private guilds to open 3rd party content to participate in the game, they might send us to their websites and steal our information, im not saying this one guild does do this….but consider it a possible future.

so is the triple trouble event working as anet intended?

Yes it is working as intended.

get on your anet mod account and tell me that

Duke Nukem.6783:

Yargesh.4965:

It does need the coordination that teamspeak brings. It does need people who know it. It does not need one guild ( I know of about 3 that do it regularly though). Get two others and a teamspeak channel and you too can have an overwhelming number of people to do it with.

it certainly needs some coordination but at present its either “use our products and our guild recogniton and do as we say or dont do the content” thats a problem

and i think your oversimplifying the problem if your telling me to get 2 other ppl and a teamspeak channel, im certain not every1 on the map needs to be in teamspeak for even the most complicated games ever made

Then it is even simpler than I wrote.

Yargesh.4965:

Duke Nukem.6783:

Yargesh.4965:

It does need the coordination that teamspeak brings. It does need people who know it. It does not need one guild ( I know of about 3 that do it regularly though). Get two others and a teamspeak channel and you too can have an overwhelming number of people to do it with.

it certainly needs some coordination but at present its either “use our products and our guild recogniton and do as we say or dont do the content” thats a problem

and i think your oversimplifying the problem if your telling me to get 2 other ppl and a teamspeak channel, im certain not every1 on the map needs to be in teamspeak for even the most complicated games ever made

Then it is even simpler than I wrote.

you arnt making alot of sense, this thread is about difficulty of access to the event (really it doesnt take much skill on an individual level) and the exclusionary powers of those that run it. its very difficult for newcomers to penetrate this content, to even make a first attempt at the wurm as every map is either totally empty or the 1 golden map, its not like you can walk away and say “good try this time guys we got a bit further and next time we will get the silver chest instead of the bronze” its all or nothing

TTS is not the only guild that does it on a regular basis. They are not the end all be all of guilds.

It needs people who know the fight. Teamspeak helps but isn’t actually entirely necessary if everyone knows what they’re doing all the time – which is almost never the case.

We did Triple Trouble in ‘Tribulation Mode’ the other day involving everyone in all three wurms being in one channel, so calling wurm attacks is impossible and coordinating zerg movements is difficult… but we still made the kill. Amber in particular was ready to decap with more than 3 minutes left, and killed the decapped wurm with 30+ seconds to spare, with little or no briefing. And the reason for this was that some people have already gotten bored with the fight being too easy when done under normal full-coordination conditions.

You don’t really get to complete the hardest content in the game without ever bothering to learn about it, though problematically at the moment it is not possible for a few good players to carry the fight – you really need nearly the entirety of the zerg to know what they’re doing. That’s hard without concentrating people who know what they’re doing on the same map – and every time triple trouble is cleared, it’s always under these concentrated conditions. TTS is pretty much the most open ‘guild’ to do these and dedicates time in every run to teach newcomers, though it isn’t by any means the only group capable of defeating the wurm. ‘Guild’ isn’t even really appropriate since the majority of people in the TTS guild swarm have other main guilds, and only rep the tag for the raid kills. It’s more like an alliance of raidhunters than anything else.

I totally understand the OP and we all know he is talking about the TTS guild.

These guys are like poison for the multiplayer aspect of the game..
They spread their guys out to find THE MAP, collect their guys and leech out
maps that are almost full.

That leaves people back with 15-20 players not having any chance to beat Tequatl or the Worms. Usually these are the people who waited for 40 minutes in a map to play a successful event.
Behavior like that belongs forbidden or somehow denied by A-Net.
You know things are wrong when people come into a map and ask “is this run by TTS?” and leave if it is.
I really feel bad for the people who waited such a long time just to be betrayed by a gang of clowns with a Team Speak server.

Please A-Net do something about this situation,the comunity is already poisoned.
We don’t need another battlefield

You are confusing me. You say that there are tons of people who can’t get in because a single guild is doing the event? Why not use those people to do the event if there are so many that are feeling excluded by a single guild? Each map caps at 150, so if there are more than 150 people in that one guild then those extras could do the event?

Sligh.2789:

TTS is not the only guild that does it on a regular basis. They are not the end all be all of guilds.

thats not really the point, even if its a few guilds its a very limited event to get inot, not hard to beat, just hard to get into

Yargesh.4965:

You are confusing me. You say that there are tons of people who can’t get in because a single guild is doing the event? Why not use those people to do the event if there are so many that are feeling excluded by a single guild? Each map caps at 150, so if there are more than 150 people in that one guild then those extras could do the event?

a few reasons, lots of people simply have given up because of how opaque the content is, i asked at the end of teq today who was still going to wurm and like 5 ppl were shocked to even hear that “ppl still do that” this is not good for the community to have half the game think the content is simply dead, and it pretty much is. also its more about organization than numbers and while i think if i did give myself and a small group of commanders 60 or 90 minutes to organize with practice that could work but wudnt it be better to break up the power block? many ppl wont even try to do the event with you if your not in tts, and no i dont wana join.

The way to break up the power block is to do as you yourself wrote, organize it yourself.

These events are as close as the development team seems willing to move towards a raid environment. I am not sure what you would expect in such an environment.

How many “end game” raids of other MMOs do you go solo?

Just to clarify my position on them, I don’t care for them, they are exclusive and whenever content feels exclusive I avoid it. That includes raids from other MMOs.

Yargesh.4965:

The way to break up the power block is to do as you yourself wrote, organize it yourself.

thats a temporary solution but as i just said the obstacles to that are enormous with brand recognition, and even so it still doesnt change the fact that in its present state the content is exclusionary with too much power into the big guilds, its similar to when someone says “this election is just a popularity contest” too much focus on who you can get with and not on your actual skill

GOSU.9574:

These events are as close as the development team seems willing to move towards a raid environment. I am not sure what you would expect in such an environment.

How many “end game” raids of other MMOs do you go solo?

Just to clarify my position on them, I don’t care for them, they are exclusive and whenever content feels exclusive I avoid it. That includes raids from other MMOs.

yea i duno what the solution would be either and i too avoid it for this same reason i was just hoping to hear someone from anet give their perspective

Yargesh.4965:

You are confusing me. You say that there are tons of people who can’t get in because a single guild is doing the event? Why not use those people to do the event if there are so many that are feeling excluded by a single guild? Each map caps at 150, so if there are more than 150 people in that one guild then those extras could do the event?

Brilliant……………………………………………….

And how are these people supposed to find with each other ???

Then all of those that can’t do it should create a guild and do the event. It’s not on farm status because it requires more coordination and timing unlike Tequatl which is still a map wide zerg fest.

I dont see any problem with wurm or kitten . My www guild together with another www guild do both bosses on weekend for loot/achies and casual activity . And it is working good maybe instead of crying that there are organised guilds try organise your own run ? You think that all theses guilds,tactics were created by itself ? It is a lot of work of some people to achieve community/guild like that .

Yargesh.4965:

The way to break up the power block is to do as you yourself wrote, organize it yourself.

This is impossible because TTS is filling 1-2 maps on purpose to open another empty map.
Then all of them jumping into and leaving a couple poor souls behind.
This is the real problem and not people are not organizing it.
It’s simply and plain a cheap and dirty monopoly use of TTS Team Speak.

I would like to see YOU organizing Tequatl or the Worms with 15-20 people.

Kurrilino.2706:

Yargesh.4965:

The way to break up the power block is to do as you yourself wrote, organize it yourself.

This is impossible because TTS is filling 1-2 maps on purpose to open another empty map.
Then all of them jumping into and leaving a couple poor souls behind.
This is the real problem and not people are not organizing it.
It’s simply and plain a cheap and dirty monopoly use of TTS Team Speak.

I would like to see YOU organizing Tequatl or the Worms with 15-20 people.

If you feel you should be able to do teq or wurm with 15-20 people I really can’t help you.

Ayrilana.1396:

Then all of those that can’t do it should create a guild and do the event. It’s not on farm status because it requires more coordination and timing unlike Tequatl which is still a map wide zerg fest.

make a guild? just for one event? now you must see how excessive that is and thus recognize my problem

Duke Nukem.6783:

Yargesh.4965:

It does need the coordination that teamspeak brings. It does need people who know it. It does not need one guild ( I know of about 3 that do it regularly though). Get two others and a teamspeak channel and you too can have an overwhelming number of people to do it with.

it certainly needs some coordination but at present its either “use our products and our guild recogniton and do as we say or dont do the content” thats a problem

and i think your oversimplifying the problem if your telling me to get 2 other ppl and a teamspeak channel, im certain not every1 on the map needs to be in teamspeak for even the most complicated games ever made

Yes it is for people who want more chalenging things.So you either do what the RL is telling you or else….
Raids were always like this in every other MMO out there.They have alwasy been the exclusives for 1% of the population.Get on TS.Know the fight.Come prepared with food potions,gear.If not you will be kicked.You don’t like it?So what?That doesn’t matter at all.80+ other people are doing what the RL wants from them.You won’t be the exception.

Duke Nukem.6783:

Ayrilana.1396:

Then all of those that can’t do it should create a guild and do the event. It’s not on farm status because it requires more coordination and timing unlike Tequatl which is still a map wide zerg fest.

make a guild? just for one event? now you must see how excessive that is and thus recognize my problem

Yes make your own guild.If you are not accepted in any.The question is why you are not accepted in that 1% of the guilds?

Duke Nukem.6783:

Ayrilana.1396:

Then all of those that can’t do it should create a guild and do the event. It’s not on farm status because it requires more coordination and timing unlike Tequatl which is still a map wide zerg fest.

make a guild? just for one event? now you must see how excessive that is and thus recognize my problem

The organized guilds did so I don’t see why you don’t have to. If you’re having issues getting into an instance to do it, or applying to one of those guilds, then you’re at a loss unless you create your own guild. These are just two events that were designed to require a large number of players to work together.

Yargesh.4965:

Kurrilino.2706:

Yargesh.4965:

The way to break up the power block is to do as you yourself wrote, organize it yourself.

This is impossible because TTS is filling 1-2 maps on purpose to open another empty map.
Then all of them jumping into and leaving a couple poor souls behind.
This is the real problem and not people are not organizing it.
It’s simply and plain a cheap and dirty monopoly use of TTS Team Speak.

I would like to see YOU organizing Tequatl or the Worms with 15-20 people.

If you feel you should be able to do teq or wurm with 15-20 people I really can’t help you.

Would you read my post before answering ?

It clearly said that the TTS action is leaving 15-20 people in an empty map behind and you told me the solution is to organize these people.

I can kind of understand why you’re bothered by it. Being in a guild that regularly completes “raids” in an organized fashion does not necessarily mean that the individuals involved are all top-notch players. In fact, I can pretty much guarantee you that most of them are mediocre and get by on a mixture of wearing high level gear and following directions like a herd of cattle.

But this has always been a problem with raids, in every game. Whether you are an excellent player or a mediocre one, you have to find some group that will bring you in and be competent enough to down the content.

There is, of course, the “organize it yourself” argument, but let’s be real here: Most people have no idea how to organize a bunch of players and/or have no desire to do so.

I don’t think it’s healthy for the community that wurm is an open-world boss and yet, because of the way maps work, it feels like an invite-only raid instance. But what can I say.. I’ve never bothered to seriously attempt wurm because of this and I’ll probably just keep ignoring it.

I just don’t want to commit the time for that kind of serious organization right now.

Kurrilino.2706:

I totally understand the OP and we all know he is talking about the TTS guild.

These guys are like poison for the multiplayer aspect of the game..
They spread their guys out to find THE MAP, collect their guys and leech out
maps that are almost full.

That leaves people back with 15-20 players not having any chance to beat Tequatl or the Worms. Usually these are the people who waited for 40 minutes in a map to play a successful event.
Behavior like that belongs forbidden or somehow denied by A-Net.
You know things are wrong when people come into a map and ask “is this run by TTS?” and leave if it is.
I really feel bad for the people who waited such a long time just to be betrayed by a gang of clowns with a Team Speak server.

Please A-Net do something about this situation,the comunity is already poisoned.
We don’t need another battlefield

Sorry but the game is already too casual.Why there can’t something harder for us too?I know atleast 4 Europe comunities that are doing the worm just fine.If you are not part of them then you have to try harder to get into their guilds.
When TxS is doing a run we want it smooth with experienced players.People being on TS listening and doing what is told to them.People coming with food and drinks.Good gear.They must know the fight.Yes the fight needs preparation.If you can’t do it then find someone who can.Not everything in this game is for the casual player.

I like the worm as it is.Why?Because i put an effort in it.You must do the same.Not every World boss has to be like the rest.Killed by numbers without 0 strategy only pressing 111111.

moiraine.2753:

Kurrilino.2706:

I totally understand the OP and we all know he is talking about the TTS guild.

These guys are like poison for the multiplayer aspect of the game..
They spread their guys out to find THE MAP, collect their guys and leech out
maps that are almost full.

That leaves people back with 15-20 players not having any chance to beat Tequatl or the Worms. Usually these are the people who waited for 40 minutes in a map to play a successful event.
Behavior like that belongs forbidden or somehow denied by A-Net.
You know things are wrong when people come into a map and ask “is this run by TTS?” and leave if it is.
I really feel bad for the people who waited such a long time just to be betrayed by a gang of clowns with a Team Speak server.

Please A-Net do something about this situation,the comunity is already poisoned.
We don’t need another battlefield

Sorry but the game is already too casual.Why there can’t something harder for us too?I know atleast 4 Europe comunities that are doing the worm just fine.If you are not part of them then you have to try harder to get into their guilds.
When TxS is doing a run we want it smooth with experienced players.People being on TS listening and doing what is told to them.People coming with food and drinks.Good gear.They must know the fight.Yes the fight needs preparation.If you can’t do it then find someone who can.Not everything in this game is for the casual player.

I like the worm as it is.Why?Because i put an effort in it.You must do the same.Not every World boss has to be like the rest.Killed by numbers without 0 strategy only pressing 111111.

dont make the mistake of thinking i dont want hard content, i do, i am not casual. i just dont want to use TS or download any third party stuff for this game, i had vent for domain of anguish in gw1 and it was totally unneeded , and that was just after nightfall came out, things got real in there, people cried and gave up 6 hours in.

but that content only took 8 ppl and you could get a party of 8 for it easy and fast, you might fail, but you had a chance….there is ZERO chance of organizing a party for htis wurm

Duke Nukem.6783:

Ayrilana.1396:

Then all of those that can’t do it should create a guild and do the event. It’s not on farm status because it requires more coordination and timing unlike Tequatl which is still a map wide zerg fest.

make a guild? just for one event? now you must see how excessive that is and thus recognize my problem

Or, you know, go to every map and do map chat to call on people and organize a raid by yourself… Your raid, your rules. You don’t like Teamspeak (I don’t know why it is such a big deal)? Don’t use teamspeak on your raid.

Or are you one of the persons that QQ but doesn’t want to take action by themselves? (ie: people who are complaining that zerk groups doesn’t want to take non-zerk in when they can look for their own group)

Yes it is for people who want more chalenging things.So you either do what the RL is telling you or else….
Raids were always like this in every other MMO out there.They have alwasy been the exclusives for 1% of the population.Get on TS.Know the fight.Come prepared with food potions,gear.If not you will be kicked.You don’t like it?So what?That doesn’t matter at all.80+ other people are doing what the RL wants from them.You won’t be the exception.

My question is: Since when does one person get to decide who has access to content in a game and who doesn’t? “Do what we say or gtfo?” really? Great community.

knives.6132:

Duke Nukem.6783:

Ayrilana.1396:

Then all of those that can’t do it should create a guild and do the event. It’s not on farm status because it requires more coordination and timing unlike Tequatl which is still a map wide zerg fest.

make a guild? just for one event? now you must see how excessive that is and thus recognize my problem

Or, you know, go to every map and do map chat to call on people and organize a raid by yourself… Your raid, your rules. You don’t like Teamspeak (I don’t know why it is such a big deal)? Don’t use teamspeak on your raid.

Or are you one of the persons that QQ but doesn’t want to take action by themselves? (ie: people who are complaining that zerk groups doesn’t want to take non-zerk in when they can look for their own group)

you would never get the people by calling in map chat for triple trouble and i thin you must know that , so are you ignorant on the subject or jsut deliberatley saying things that cant possibly be helpful?

Xander.9024:

Yes it is for people who want more chalenging things.So you either do what the RL is telling you or else….
Raids were always like this in every other MMO out there.They have alwasy been the exclusives for 1% of the population.Get on TS.Know the fight.Come prepared with food potions,gear.If not you will be kicked.You don’t like it?So what?That doesn’t matter at all.80+ other people are doing what the RL wants from them.You won’t be the exception.

My question is: Since when does one person get to decide who has access to content in a game and who doesn’t? “Do what we say or gtfo?” really? Great community.

Of course that is how a raid works.What do you expect?There are rulles that have to be followed.Those rules are made by the RL and everyone else has to follw them.If someone doesn’t like what the RL and assistants do it’s his fault.You joined a raid group that is not yours.If you don’t like it deal with it or make your own where you can say what will happen.It’s simple as that.
Only GW2 right now doesn’t have neither party leader nor RL.So there isn’t much controll over the group.It’s so limitted actually.

Xander.9024:

Yes it is for people who want more chalenging things.So you either do what the RL is telling you or else….
Raids were always like this in every other MMO out there.They have alwasy been the exclusives for 1% of the population.Get on TS.Know the fight.Come prepared with food potions,gear.If not you will be kicked.You don’t like it?So what?That doesn’t matter at all.80+ other people are doing what the RL wants from them.You won’t be the exception.

My question is: Since when does one person get to decide who has access to content in a game and who doesn’t? “Do what we say or gtfo?” really? Great community.

well they cant kick you out but maybe we need to think about “taxiing” as a possible problem in the mega server. i think that might be the solution that will force these guilds to divide their forces for the good of the community

The problem isn’t with TTS, it’s with people too lazy to organise their own runs, with Guild mates, allied Guilds & friends.

Neurochazm.5370:

The problem isn’t with TTS, it’s with people too lazy to organise their own runs, with Guild mates, allied Guilds & friends.

maybe but few guilds have the resources for , and if they try they would destroy their small guild charm, those big guilds are no fun to be in…..so blaming human nature (lazynes) is not a helpful direction to go in. how can we make this content still accessible (every1 can try it) and also challenging (your success is based on skill not wheather or not you got into the right map)

ANet built content for people who wanted more from a meta event than the existing events required. Players figured out the best way to do Teq and Wurms. Players decided which particular organizational structure works best in these events. ANet guided this process only by means of event design. Based on the results, ANet’s goal was to create events which are both less forgiving of mistakes and haphazard play and which required a greater degree of organization. In this, they succeeded.

If people are saying that these events are “easy” now, remember that this is relative. It’s likely they know the events cold and can now do them without stress. Very little PvE content remains difficult in the face of repetition. Oh, and Teq at least is often done with numbers greater than the 80 players the devs originally designed the event for.

Duke Nukem.6783:

knives.6132:

Duke Nukem.6783:

Ayrilana.1396:

Then all of those that can’t do it should create a guild and do the event. It’s not on farm status because it requires more coordination and timing unlike Tequatl which is still a map wide zerg fest.

make a guild? just for one event? now you must see how excessive that is and thus recognize my problem

Or, you know, go to every map and do map chat to call on people and organize a raid by yourself… Your raid, your rules. You don’t like Teamspeak (I don’t know why it is such a big deal)? Don’t use teamspeak on your raid.

Or are you one of the persons that QQ but doesn’t want to take action by themselves? (ie: people who are complaining that zerk groups doesn’t want to take non-zerk in when they can look for their own group)

you would never get the people by calling in map chat for triple trouble and i thin you must know that , so are you ignorant on the subject or jsut deliberatley saying things that cant possibly be helpful?

TTS does that when they can’t reach the number of people needed to organize a run. Or rather they turn in to lfg tool.

Problem with you is that you want to join the run but doesn’t want to play by the organizer’s rules. Then when presented with another solution, you QQ.

Let me get this straight – So basically, you want to join TTS organized raids, without either joining the guild or using TS or both. In short, you want people to carry you (since you’re not fully committed to the organized run).
A bit selfish/entitled on your part eh?

The trouble here is the design of these events, not TTS.

The events like Teq. and Triple Trouble we designed to need a very large percentage of the allowable players in an instance. I think triple trouble requires well over 100 out of a 150 limit of players in the instance. So to do the event you need people who know how, some means of communication, and a lot of people willing to participate. And that means whoever is organizing is going to pretty much have to control the map.

Unfortunately, the megaserver change also means that those organizing the event can no longer choose a world and tell everyone, “please come to this server for this event.” Now those who want to do the event together are randomly spawned into multiple instanced and if they want to get together the only way is to find a map and join one another, often abandoning other instances.

The would be a lot better if there were some way players could choose which map they wanted to enter when loading – like the world guesting used to be or like the drop down selection for major cities in GW1 was. Then organizers could inform people which instance they would be in and people who want to do the event could join that specific instance without bothering others. Back before megaservers, people could also just check the TTS website and see which world it was going to be on, guest to that world, and take part without actually being part of TTS itself.

TTS is just doing what they have to do to be able play together and do these events under the current restrictions. The only real solution would be for Anet to change the design of these events to give the player more control over which instance they will enter.

knives.6132:

Duke Nukem.6783:

knives.6132:

Duke Nukem.6783:

Ayrilana.1396:

Then all of those that can’t do it should create a guild and do the event. It’s not on farm status because it requires more coordination and timing unlike Tequatl which is still a map wide zerg fest.

make a guild? just for one event? now you must see how excessive that is and thus recognize my problem

Or, you know, go to every map and do map chat to call on people and organize a raid by yourself… Your raid, your rules. You don’t like Teamspeak (I don’t know why it is such a big deal)? Don’t use teamspeak on your raid.

Or are you one of the persons that QQ but doesn’t want to take action by themselves? (ie: people who are complaining that zerk groups doesn’t want to take non-zerk in when they can look for their own group)

you would never get the people by calling in map chat for triple trouble and i thin you must know that , so are you ignorant on the subject or jsut deliberatley saying things that cant possibly be helpful?

TTS does that when they can’t reach the number of people needed to organize a run.

Problem with you is that you want to join the run but doesn’t want to play by the organizer’s rules. Then when presented with another solution, you QQ.

Let me get this straight – So basically, you want to join TTS organized raids, without either joining the guild or using TS or both. In short, you want people to carry you (since you’re not fully committed to the organized run).
A bit selfish/entitled on your part eh?

I still don’t understand why Anet didn’t allow us to make 80+ groups.That way the controll over the group will be perfect.I and 80 other people came prepared we are not here to boost anyone.We are here to kill a boss with precision.
I really like the direction they have taken with the megaservers.Soon we will be able to move our entire raid in the same map from get go.Right now we still some problems with moving our entire raid(100+ people) in the same zone/map.

knives.6132:

Duke Nukem.6783:

knives.6132:

Duke Nukem.6783:

Ayrilana.1396:

Then all of those that can’t do it should create a guild and do the event. It’s not on farm status because it requires more coordination and timing unlike Tequatl which is still a map wide zerg fest.

make a guild? just for one event? now you must see how excessive that is and thus recognize my problem

Or, you know, go to every map and do map chat to call on people and organize a raid by yourself… Your raid, your rules. You don’t like Teamspeak (I don’t know why it is such a big deal)? Don’t use teamspeak on your raid.

Or are you one of the persons that QQ but doesn’t want to take action by themselves? (ie: people who are complaining that zerk groups doesn’t want to take non-zerk in when they can look for their own group)

you would never get the people by calling in map chat for triple trouble and i thin you must know that , so are you ignorant on the subject or jsut deliberatley saying things that cant possibly be helpful?

TTS does that when they can’t reach the number of people needed to organize a run. Or rather they turn in to lfg tool.

Problem with you is that you want to join the run but doesn’t want to play by the organizer’s rules. Then when presented with another solution, you QQ.

Let me get this straight – So basically, you want to join TTS organized raids, without either joining the guild or using TS or both. In short, you want people to carry you (since you’re not fully committed to the organized run).
A bit selfish/entitled on your part eh?

first off i know why they do it, im good at triple trouble and i understand it perfectly, i always volunteer for roles usualy ending up as one of the water ele in the escort team. im not saying its malicious or intentional on their part im saying its exclusionary and opaque.

so lets not try and analyze the “problems” with eachotehr, i am more complex then you are probably capable of understanding and its off topic anyways, dont be so hostile or make so many assumptions

moiraine.2753:

knives.6132:

Duke Nukem.6783:

knives.6132:

Duke Nukem.6783:

Ayrilana.1396:

Then all of those that can’t do it should create a guild and do the event. It’s not on farm status because it requires more coordination and timing unlike Tequatl which is still a map wide zerg fest.

make a guild? just for one event? now you must see how excessive that is and thus recognize my problem

Or, you know, go to every map and do map chat to call on people and organize a raid by yourself… Your raid, your rules. You don’t like Teamspeak (I don’t know why it is such a big deal)? Don’t use teamspeak on your raid.

Or are you one of the persons that QQ but doesn’t want to take action by themselves? (ie: people who are complaining that zerk groups doesn’t want to take non-zerk in when they can look for their own group)

you would never get the people by calling in map chat for triple trouble and i thin you must know that , so are you ignorant on the subject or jsut deliberatley saying things that cant possibly be helpful?

TTS does that when they can’t reach the number of people needed to organize a run.

Problem with you is that you want to join the run but doesn’t want to play by the organizer’s rules. Then when presented with another solution, you QQ.

Let me get this straight – So basically, you want to join TTS organized raids, without either joining the guild or using TS or both. In short, you want people to carry you (since you’re not fully committed to the organized run).
A bit selfish/entitled on your part eh?

I still don’t understand why Anet didn’t allow us to make 80+ raid groups.I really like the direction they moving with the megaservers.Soon we will be able to move our entire raid in the same map from get go.Right now we still some problems with moving our entire raid(100+ people) in the same zone/map.

I really want this too…

A lot, lot, lot, lot, lot of guilds could do this fight if it didn’t require +100 people

The problem isn’t guilds, its the number of people it requires. The majority of guilds can’t field the amount triple trouble needs 2-3 times a day, 7 days a week. Only the select few mega-guilds can.

How do you fix it? Allow an option to open the fight in your own overflow or temporarily seal off that area of the map where the fight is going on, sorta like queens gauntlet bosses were sealed off while players fought them.

Why? Its related to the problem of it requiring too many people. If the fight is designed around 20-40 people, thats great, but scaling. More people join, it either nerfs the fight into a zergy madness, or in the perfect world where everything(mechanics including), scales right, you are stuck with the problem of 20-40 out of 150 people actually being coordinated. If that happens, the fight fails.

knives.6132:

In short, you want people to carry you

If we’re going to go there, then I will say that you can easily be carried, even with making the commitment to get on a third party voice chat and listen to someone call out instructions in your ear.

Don’t act like it takes any great amount of personal skill to listen to a voice in your ear and follow the herd.

As far as I can tell, wurm requires a handful of skilled players, strong coordination to kill the heads at the right time, and a bunch of zerglings with good gear and the ability to follow instructions. Go ahead and correct me if I’m wrong, but I seriously doubt I am.

SkylightMoon.2098:

A lot, lot, lot, lot, lot of guilds could do this fight if it didn’t require +100 people

The problem isn’t guilds, its the number of people it requires. The majority of guilds can’t field the amount triple trouble needs 2-3 times a day, 7 days a week. Only the select few mega-guilds can.

How do you fix it? Allow an option to open the fight in your own overflow or temporarily seal off that area of the map where the fight is going on, sorta like queens gauntlet bosses were sealed off while players fought them.

Why? Its related to the problem of it requiring too many people. If the fight is designed around 20-40 people, thats great, but scaling. More people join, it either nerfs the fight into a zergy madness, or in the perfect world where everything(mechanics including), scales right, you are stuck with the problem of 20-40 out of 150 people actually being coordinated. If that happens, the fight fails.

i see what you mean sorta a pseudo instance, not a bad idea

Teamspeak should instal together with this game or should be build in .

Labjax.2465:

knives.6132:

In short, you want people to carry you

If we’re going to go there, then I will say that you can easily be carried, even with making the commitment to get on a third party voice chat and listen to someone call out instructions in your ear.

Don’t act like it takes any great amount of personal skill to listen to a voice in your ear and follow the herd.

As far as I can tell, wurm requires a handful of skilled players, strong coordination to kill the heads at the right time, and a bunch of zerglings with good gear and the ability to follow instructions. Go ahead and correct me if I’m wrong, but I seriously doubt I am.

All I’m saying is that if you are “joining” in an organized raid and you’re not the one organizing the raid, at least put an effort to follow the rules they set.

People who act like “I wanna do this but I don’t like going to TS but TS is required wa wa wa” annoys me. Show some respect to the organizers by following their instructions. Not like they are getting paid.

It’s like posting for lfg – “zerk only” and some cleric dude joins, got kicked and QQ’s that the party is elitist. Duh.

Labjax.2465:

knives.6132:

In short, you want people to carry you

If we’re going to go there, then I will say that you can easily be carried, even with making the commitment to get on a third party voice chat and listen to someone call out instructions in your ear.

Don’t act like it takes any great amount of personal skill to listen to a voice in your ear and follow the herd.

As far as I can tell, wurm requires a handful of skilled players, strong coordination to kill the heads at the right time, and a bunch of zerglings with good gear and the ability to follow instructions. Go ahead and correct me if I’m wrong, but I seriously doubt I am.

Minimum you need 3 *commanders’ who are in direct contact with each other for timed kill.
3 deboof
3 condi per head to kill husks unless you don’t need to (which I personally don’t like when it is done that way).
damage for when damage can be done.
If people where as good as they think then ts would never be needed. People are never as good as they think and mob mentality takes over when there are several people doing the same thing.

knives.6132:

Labjax.2465:

knives.6132:

In short, you want people to carry you

If we’re going to go there, then I will say that you can easily be carried, even with making the commitment to get on a third party voice chat and listen to someone call out instructions in your ear.

Don’t act like it takes any great amount of personal skill to listen to a voice in your ear and follow the herd.

As far as I can tell, wurm requires a handful of skilled players, strong coordination to kill the heads at the right time, and a bunch of zerglings with good gear and the ability to follow instructions. Go ahead and correct me if I’m wrong, but I seriously doubt I am.

All I’m saying is that if you are “joining” in an organized raid and you’re not the one organizing the raid, at least put an effort to follow the rules they set.

People who act like “I wanna do this but I don’t like going to TS but TS is required wa wa wa” annoys me. Show some respect to the organizers by following their instructions. Not like they are getting paid.

It’s like posting for lfg – “zerk only” and some cleric dude joins, got kicked and QQ’s that the party is elitist. Duh.

big guilds making rules like that is a dangerous trend to get into, today its voice chat maybe tomorrow its a malicious website, its an exploitable thing to have so much power in an outside organization

I’ve only ever attempted it twice, and the time I beat it I didn’t join TS or anything. I just ran with the group and figured it out.