Guild Wars 2

The TD meta has a 2 hour cooldown before it begins again, and my latest attempt at it lasted for 8 minutes and 18 seconds. I hadn’t even finished the first song in my music playlist before the event failed.

So much for ArenaNet’s “No waiting to have fun.” statements. I hate how the devs aren’t bothered with commenting with their thoughts on the event, yet they’re willing to throw out whole blog posts about e-sports, which only 1%-2% of the community actually enter and take part in.

You know there is a whole set of other events before/after that fight? ANet can’t help you if you decide to ignore content.

@Kecal.3964 – Completing TD Meta events to push the map to T4 take 30 minutes. It’s also best way to maximize the accumulation of ley crystals. It’s stupid but, it’s how it is. If you actually played the content, you’d know. Then again, forum PvP based on ignorance is more fun than game.

By comparison, the Matterhorn Bobsleds ride at Disneyland lasts just a little over two minutes, and on a really busy day, you might have to wait a couple of hours in line (though probably not).

So think of it like waiting in line for an amusement park ride, only longer, and less fun.

TD is by far the worst meta out of all of them IMHO. Only because the fail-rate is so kitten high.

Not everything can be instant. You’ll always have to wait for something. I quite like how challenging it is, as it gives you something to work towards. The only issue I see is how collections are locked behind it’s completion.

Majic.4801:

By comparison, the Matterhorn Bobsleds ride at Disneyland lasts just a little over two minutes, and on a really busy day, you might have to wait a couple of hours in line (though probably not).

So think of it like waiting in line for an amusement park ride, only longer, and less fun.

hehe but at least when you finally get on the ride you complete it. Imagine if you had to wait in line for the ride, you get seated, it moves 3 feet then stops and everyone gets off because some mechanism failed.

briggah.7910:

Majic.4801:

By comparison, the Matterhorn Bobsleds ride at Disneyland lasts just a little over two minutes, and on a really busy day, you might have to wait a couple of hours in line (though probably not).

So think of it like waiting in line for an amusement park ride, only longer, and less fun.

hehe but at least when you finally get on the ride you complete it. Imagine if you had to wait in line for the ride, you get seated, it moves 3 feet and stops and everyone gets off because some mechanism failed.

Or better yet someone on the roller coaster (another lane) is not feeling well and pukes (fails), thus causing the operator to stop your ride (loot).

Argon.1563:

The TD meta has a 2 hour cooldown before it begins again, and my latest attempt at it lasted for 8 minutes and 18 seconds. I hadn’t even finished the first song in my music playlist before the event failed.

So much for ArenaNet’s “No waiting to have fun.” statements. I hate how the devs aren’t bothered with commenting with their thoughts on the event, yet they’re willing to throw out whole blog posts about e-sports, which only 1%-2% of the community actually enter and take part in.

Um, you CHOSE to wait for this event so blaming Anet for you deciding to wait is nonsense. If you knew it was going to start in 2 hours, why didn’t you go do something else … oh right, because it would have been a less awesome QQ thread if you did that.

HoT is pathetic, frustrating and pointless. An exercise in how not to design a game.

Since WvW has been decimated, small guilds kicked to the curb, dungeons abandonded and all of my guilds now have less active players than before HoT…. it is fact.

There really isn’t a two hour wait for the TD meta event. To be completely honest it’s more like half an hour of actual waiting if you get in a map trying to organise. While the two hours is counting down you could be defending tarir, killing the mouth of mordremoth or doing outposts in verdant brink. There’s loads of content to do in that 2 hours. It is only a wait if you choose to stay in TD.
I would say, for someone not interested in anything else, a one and a half hour wait would be better (one hour do do events, half an hour to organise), but I think the wait is good as it gives me time to do other stuff and it also gives enough time to organise the event, which is essential with events as hard as the chak gerent is.

Grim West.3194:

Since WvW has been decimated, small guilds kicked to the curb, dungeons abandonded and all of my guilds now have less active players than before HoT…. it is fact.

It’s a fact for you, which make it you’re overblown opinion about the game as a whole. And of course, it’s you’re evil intent to spread hate about how your opinion is ‘fact’ because you feel betrayed.

Lol, that is your opinion. Your white knighting of a game that has been turned into a blatant cash grab is pathetic. And since HoT there has been a never ending stream of criticism about this garbage. That is also fact.

Why do you think the devs are hiding? If HoT was a good expansion they would be here celebrating with us.

HoT is garbage.

I haven’t white knighted anything … I’m just correcting your ‘facts’. Not everyone feels like you. I get it’s hard to see through your cloud of hateful expression but some people like the expansion and still enjoy the core game as well. I get your whole ploy: Sensationalize how bad you think the game is into a ‘fact’ so Anet does something or at least making it a more miserable experience for everyone else that doesn’t see things your way.

So WvW hasn’t been decimated?

Dungeons haven’t been abandoned?

Small guilds haven’t been kicked to the curb?

Take off your blinders.

I don’t really know what you’re going on about; this thread isn’t about any of those things and my opinion about what has changed with those game elements isn’t relevant to the thread or any more ‘fact-like’ than your own.

You attacked my post, I’m just answering your nonsense.

I don’t see how your posts are relevant to the thread, nor do I see how your thoughts are ‘facts’ relevant to the game as a whole, just like anyone else’s opinions aren’t facts either.

If you want to ‘answer’ my posts in a mature manner, it would be reasonable for you to explain yourself a little better than responding with random statements and irrelevant questions that aren’t related to what I’ve said.

That’s your opinion.

Obtena.7952:

Argon.1563:

The TD meta has a 2 hour cooldown before it begins again, and my latest attempt at it lasted for 8 minutes and 18 seconds. I hadn’t even finished the first song in my music playlist before the event failed.

So much for ArenaNet’s “No waiting to have fun.” statements. I hate how the devs aren’t bothered with commenting with their thoughts on the event, yet they’re willing to throw out whole blog posts about e-sports, which only 1%-2% of the community actually enter and take part in.

Um, you CHOSE to wait for this event so blaming Anet for you deciding to wait is nonsense. If you knew it was going to start in 2 hours, why didn’t you go do something else … oh right, because it would have been a less awesome QQ thread if you did that.

No offense but clearly you have no clue how the map wide events work in HoT… if you don’t get in early and fast you get locked out from map cap.

I know how it works. I also have enough reading comprehension to know that the OP was complaining about the WAIT (which is easily addressed by DOING STUFF), not being locked out of map cap.

Grim West.3194:

That’s your opinion.

Dungeons haven’t been abandoned. If you think liquid gold was your only source of income you are sorely wrong. Combined with the fact that you can run some dungeons in 10 minutes or less, it’s fine. Just because people don’t like the way the new WvW maps were implemented doesn’t mean it’s been kicked to the curb. Like holy crap, everyone expects an instant patch on EVERY aspect of the game that they don’t agree with, and if there’s no patch, oh no, the apocalypse is here. AND the borderlands rotate, so it hardly matters if you don’t like the new borderlands. As for small guilds, you should not expect to be able to get everything a large guild has. I’ve had only 3-4 people in my guild giving resources and we’re doing fine. Combined with the fact that people are posting about doing a solo/duo guild hall up to level 20+, I feel like the only issue is people losing some of the things they worked hard for before (which can still be fixed, just give it time- ANet listens to feedback, just look at the upcoming fractal updates). Yes, maybe guilds don’t have as much access to WvW benefits as before, but this can still be fixed and probably isn’t as kittenome people make it it to be.

I’m tired of this whole doom and gloom thing. People seem to think that the game is changing and there’s no place for solo and blah blah blah, while these are just specific instances. The whole game has NOT changed, and I’m pretty sure ANet is capable of fixing things they’ve done that people haven’t liked.

Obtena.7952:

I know how it works. I also have enough reading comprehension to know that the OP was complaining about the WAIT (which is easily addressed by DOING STUFF), not being locked out of map cap.

Buuuuut if he leaves the map to do other stuff then he can’t get back in…

Solomon Darkfury.3729:

Obtena.7952:

I know how it works. I also have enough reading comprehension to know that the OP was complaining about the WAIT (which is easily addressed by DOING STUFF), not being locked out of map cap.

Buuuuut if he leaves the map to do other stuff then he can’t get back in…

The white knights in this thread love that “feature”.

I didn’t say he should leave the map, though it sounds like in his case, he should have.

Grim West.3194:

Lol, that is your opinion. Your white knighting of a game that has been turned into a blatant cash grab is pathetic. And since HoT there has been a never ending stream of criticism about this garbage. That is also fact.

Why do you think the devs are hiding? If HoT was a good expansion they would be here celebrating with us.

HoT is garbage.

It’s been a cash grab game ever since you could convert gems to gold… (since forever). It’s sad you are just realizing this right now. inb4 all rewards are cosmetic bullkitten from the real whiteknights.

And dude, you’ve been posting this garbage on every thread that is negative. Not that I don’t agree (double negative wooopdedoo) with you but you seriously need to just leave, it’s not doing any good.

Waiting is boring.
Waiting once all the events are completed and map is at T4 is both boring and stupid.
Having to comply with strict timeline for meta events is extremely inconvinient and in some cases simply prevents people from completing the content.

Personally, I rather like the expansion. I like vertical map design, I absolutely love gliding and don’t have much problems with difficulty. At the same time I can’t help but wonder why they used fixed meta timers instead of progress meter used in Silverwastes. I mean, system used in HoT feels sooo rigid and unfriendly compared to SW… I’d really like to see an official word about it, as the entire thing would feel much less of a mess with that simple change.

Obviously I’m only speaking for myself, but here’s the thing: my palying time is limited to certain hours, and those hours are not particularily compatibile with HoT timers. I haven’t completed DS meta so far and likely I won’t be able to do it in near future – unless I’m stuck home with sick leave or something and kids are busy.

That’s some debatable design to say the least.

Lunar Sunset.8742:

Grim West.3194:

Lol, that is your opinion. Your white knighting of a game that has been turned into a blatant cash grab is pathetic. And since HoT there has been a never ending stream of criticism about this garbage. That is also fact.

Why do you think the devs are hiding? If HoT was a good expansion they would be here celebrating with us.

HoT is garbage.

It’s been a cash grab game ever since you could convert gems to gold… (since forever). It’s sad you are just realizing this right now. inb4 all rewards are cosmetic bullkitten from the real whiteknights.

And dude, you’ve been posting this garbage on every thread that is negative. Not that I don’t agree (double negative wooopdedoo) with you but you seriously need to just leave, it’s not doing any good.

I’ve played every GW1 expansion and GW2. The game has changed, and their manifesto thrown out the window. HoT takes cash grab to a whole new level of greed.

Grim West.3194:

So WvW hasn’t been decimated?

Dungeons haven’t been abandoned?

Small guilds haven’t been kicked to the curb?

Take off your blinders.

Nope WvW is alive in t1 and I actually still talk to some friends in t6 and they are having some good fights down there still.

I just opened my LFG tool and see people looking for dungeon runs

Small guilds maybe. My small guild died because everyone was busy IRL before HoT, never returned so I rejoined my old big guild

stop over exaggerating everything

Lol, I have two accounts, one in T1. In T1 there use to be queues for all the maps before the expansion, obviously not all the time but it happened. After HoT the only queue is at prime time for one map and for a very short time. The other maps are empty.

People still play but it is a shadow of what it use to be.

Stop white knighting this garbage.

Grim West.3194:

Stop white knighting this garbage.

Stop over exaggerating everything first

Everything I said is not an exaggeration. But you are misrepresenting the facts.

WvW has been decimated, dungeons have been abandoned, small guilds were kicked to the curb. Those are the facts, along with all the massive amount of other complaints about HoT.

You are white knighting garbage.

Grim West.3194:

Everything I said is not an exaggeration. But you are misrepresenting the facts.

You are white knighting garbage.

Opinions are not facts.

Lol, your opinion and misrepresentation of the facts obviously isn’t. I wasn’t stating an opinion.

Again, WvW has been decimated, dungeons have been abandoned, small guilds were kicked to the curb. Those are the facts, along with all the massive amount of other complaints about HoT.

Those are the facts.

Grim West.3194:

Lol, your opinion and misrepresentation of the facts obviously isn’t. I wasn’t stating an opinion.

Again, WvW has been decimated, dungeons have been abandoned, small guilds were kicked to the curb. Those are the facts, along with all the massive amount of other complaints about HoT.

Those are the facts.

So now complaints are considered facts too? Go back to sleep please.. Seems you woke up on the wrong side of the bed today..

You haven’t addressed those facts. You just misrepresent them. But numbers don’t lie. Take your blinders off.

WvW has been decimated, but luckily there are no more queues and when everything is capped we play on on EBG, as there is no rewards fighting -no-one- on the borders.

PvP… I find E-sports commercials all over the web, BE legendary, join GW2 PvP… Problem? It’s very nice you can earn 1000’s of dollars playing an unbalanced game with a clear meta… which has had (balancing) problems since launch… which -no-one- outside the pvp community cares for except for some people on staff at A-net and the people smiling who drag away the cash. No viewers, no interest from the remainder of the worlds populace..

Dungeons… you know the unbalanced stuff still littering the landscape, which had no real support since ~a year after launch, except for a very long unrewarding path with keys you needed to farm throughout the world in PvE….
They were unbalanced and FUN. At least to me, I enjoyed running AC Fulll for 1000 days straight with some COF 1,2 and SE 1,3 added for flavoring, on relaxed days I added TA and CoE to maximize my enjoyment of thisgame and did some Cursed shore or (later) Silverwastes to get nice gear for fractals…..

Fractals were nice long duration games with no real guess what would be spawning always causing a decent surprise, somtimes good, sometimes bad… at lvl 50 people got good drops… But…. well getting good drops should be nerfed, and Fractals being a dungeon was striped from rewards, and it’s renowned randomness
The opening to the masses who repeated easy fractals again and again and again to level up faster then the Saturnus V went to the moon trivialized this nice piece of content…

So we got more Event maps…
After Hirathi Hinterlands (Centaur battles), Fields of Ruin (Ogre battles) and Orr (Risen battles), Dry Top (mostly battling yourself in the end…) and Silverwastes (Mordrem battles)
We now got Verdant brink (Mordrem battles), Auric Basin (Octovine: Mordrem battles), Tangled Depths (Chak battles? No: Mordrem battles!) and last but not least the epic battlle versus Mordremoths Lieutenant (Wanna guess? Yeah! Mordrem!) in Dragon’s stand… Yes….,yes…, well yeah…, ye, ow… why bother….?

As for world bosses: we got …. Nothing really, as the bosses now are behind a huge chain of events, and your activity in these events will determine your reward…. All others, the classics, still respawn on their respective timers day in and day out….
Tequatl might not be more epic then Dragons Stand , it is way more accesible… and still has it’s own armor skin(s), as has the Tri Wurm…

Luckily: My bank guild with 3 ppl in it has all former WvW players and we cannot even pay the 100 gold to cap it, nor have the influence to start the event…. so…. we will not get a hall.. Come to think of it we will not be able to build anything afterwards either….

SO I play on to find I am now obligated to play PvP to be allowed my next legendaries, and I will certainly get much WXP now in WVW without any players so my legendaries are all in the box …

And raids… Guild missions are cancelled in our guild, the hard creis raiding leaving us with 8 ppl from 175 to do guild missions and 2 groups of 10 are enjoying their fails on the Vale Guardian… putting in dozens of hours for 4 gold….

Yes It has been a perfect storm, quake, tsunami, vulcanic eruption, meteorstrike, famine, plague and firestorm all rolled into one showing us it will now can only go up from now on….

As all things which were, are now: no more and the remains of the populace are now farming mats, farming events, farming otherwise and Raiding for minimal income saying it is all better now….

And still people say well it’s perfect… I love your determination…., or fanatism…., and is it just my problem?

I’m still wondering : “WTF happened here?” Of the 80 people in our WvW and PvX guild who have bought HoT 50+ are no longer playing….. or just logging in for dailies…. This second group isn’t inactive, but is no longer playing either… most are completely dissillusioned and let down by the events participated in the last weeks…

Most of these players were WvW players the ones remaining are the fanatics, most of these do the raids now and some are fed up with it. some are tryin to do some new events or trying to find new light in unlocking masteries and elites specs,, but I am no longer hearing the shouts of joy or amazement… Just frustration and detachment…

Guild missions are no longer for the guild as people, just for the guild as an object, no longer supporting the guild as group… And as such we no longer run these as a guild…
I as the officer in my guild have seen the problems,, and for the PvP guild missions.. wel doing ’m with 40 ppl at once is a problem, PvE missions are bugged, no rewards= no people and for WvW… well they are truly, and I really mean truly uninteresting.

We will see… HoT is live…. and dying…. at least for me, I find myself in vanilla again… less frequent, very, very shaken by the scale of the multifold disaster, still unfolding.

suffish.4150:

There really isn’t a two hour wait for the TD meta event. To be completely honest it’s more like half an hour of actual waiting if you get in a map trying to organise. While the two hours is counting down you could be defending tarir, killing the mouth of mordremoth or doing outposts in verdant brink. There’s loads of content to do in that 2 hours. It is only a wait if you choose to stay in TD.
I would say, for someone not interested in anything else, a one and a half hour wait would be better (one hour do do events, half an hour to organise), but I think the wait is good as it gives me time to do other stuff and it also gives enough time to organise the event, which is essential with events as hard as the chak gerent is.

All good points, but…… Why is Hot set up to a time table? and why are those time tables so long when in fact it takes a lot less than that to finish the event. Even if you go off an do something else you are still waiting to do the content you want to do.

Argon.1563:

So much for ArenaNet’s “No waiting to have fun.” statements.

This simply isn’t true any longer since several sections of HoT involve a lot of waiting around for most people. If you need to be in a full map ahead of time for a given event, waiting is required. If you need a DS map event and there’s 30 minutes left on the clock, you gotta wait for it. If you finish events ahead of time but still want to do the meta, you have waiting involved. If you need help with a Hero Challenge, and no one answers your ads, you generally wait for help to come along.

There’s a fair amount of waiting designed into the game now.

Celtic Lady.3729:

There’s a fair amount of waiting designed into the game now.

Indeed, so much so that to suggest waiting around isn’t fun is to invite ridicule and ostracism in a game that used to be designed around fun.

In other news, Oceania has always been at war with Eastasia.

#OrwellWasAProphet

Obtena.7952:

Argon.1563:

The TD meta has a 2 hour cooldown before it begins again, and my latest attempt at it lasted for 8 minutes and 18 seconds. I hadn’t even finished the first song in my music playlist before the event failed.

So much for ArenaNet’s “No waiting to have fun.” statements. I hate how the devs aren’t bothered with commenting with their thoughts on the event, yet they’re willing to throw out whole blog posts about e-sports, which only 1%-2% of the community actually enter and take part in.

Um, you CHOSE to wait for this event so blaming Anet for you deciding to wait is nonsense. If you knew it was going to start in 2 hours, why didn’t you go do something else … oh right, because it would have been a less awesome QQ thread if you did that.

Before you rebut, do realize you need 150%+ participation to get anything from the Meta.

TD has very few events after the Meta chain is finished. Also there’s almost no possibility of coming back into the same map if you leave an organized map.

I can take a good guess. You never beat Chak Gerent before. That’s why you can sprout out some NS like this.

briggah.7910:

Grim West.3194:

Stop white knighting this garbage.

Stop over exaggerating everything first

He actually has a point.

I am in T1 for like 2 years.
All maps used to cap out on prime time.
I never see the new BL map capped before since HoT, and I rarely find a big zerg in the map either.

EB only filled out occasionally even during weekend. In old days EB is much more populated than this.

Some WvW server like TC died down too. JQ becomes much less active than they used to be. Things have go into a downhill that’s for sure.

Obtena.7952:

Argon.1563:

The TD meta has a 2 hour cooldown before it begins again, and my latest attempt at it lasted for 8 minutes and 18 seconds. I hadn’t even finished the first song in my music playlist before the event failed.

So much for ArenaNet’s “No waiting to have fun.” statements. I hate how the devs aren’t bothered with commenting with their thoughts on the event, yet they’re willing to throw out whole blog posts about e-sports, which only 1%-2% of the community actually enter and take part in.

Um, you CHOSE to wait for this event so blaming Anet for you deciding to wait is nonsense. If you knew it was going to start in 2 hours, why didn’t you go do something else … oh right, because it would have been a less awesome QQ thread if you did that.

This is an overly simplistic way of viewing it. Getting into a good, organized, and full map for something like the Chak Gerent very often has to be done 1 to 1 and a half hours prior to the event beginning.

Getting people counted up and into their respective lanes, making explanations, organizing groups, and having everyone and everything in place for a serious attempt does, in short, usually involve waiting.

Aomine.5012:

briggah.7910:

Grim West.3194:

Stop white knighting this garbage.

Stop over exaggerating everything first

He actually has a point.

I am in T1 for like 2 years.
All maps used to cap out on prime time.
I never see the new BL map capped before since HoT, and I rarely find a big zerg in the map either.

EB only filled out occasionally even during weekend. In old days EB is much more populated than this.

Some WvW server like TC died down too. JQ becomes much less active than they used to be. Things have go into a downhill that’s for sure.

I’m not disagreeing that populations have declined but it has been happening for a while now.. There were threads from some t1 players saying that wvw was dead up there even before HoT dropped.

https://forum-en.gw2archive.eu/forum/game/wuv/WvW-needs-megaserver-tech-like-EOTM/first#post4702058

Wait to have fun is not fun. Play taxi game not fun. I think GW2 was against idea of wait for fun. I do a lot of wait in HoT to try to have fun and most time not fun but big fail. Wait for meta event wait for people to do some hero point a lot of wait.

Aomine.5012:

Obtena.7952:

Argon.1563:

The TD meta has a 2 hour cooldown before it begins again, and my latest attempt at it lasted for 8 minutes and 18 seconds. I hadn’t even finished the first song in my music playlist before the event failed.

So much for ArenaNet’s “No waiting to have fun.” statements. I hate how the devs aren’t bothered with commenting with their thoughts on the event, yet they’re willing to throw out whole blog posts about e-sports, which only 1%-2% of the community actually enter and take part in.

Um, you CHOSE to wait for this event so blaming Anet for you deciding to wait is nonsense. If you knew it was going to start in 2 hours, why didn’t you go do something else … oh right, because it would have been a less awesome QQ thread if you did that.

Before you rebut, do realize you need 150%+ participation to get anything from the Meta.

TD has very few events after the Meta chain is finished. Also there’s almost no possibility of coming back into the same map if you leave an organized map.

I can take a good guess. You never beat Chak Gerent before. That’s why you can sprout out some NS like this.

What does that have to do with the OP complaining about waiting? If he’s just waiting around, he’s not getting his 150% partricipation.

Obtena.7952:

Aomine.5012:

Obtena.7952:

Argon.1563:

The TD meta has a 2 hour cooldown before it begins again, and my latest attempt at it lasted for 8 minutes and 18 seconds. I hadn’t even finished the first song in my music playlist before the event failed.

So much for ArenaNet’s “No waiting to have fun.” statements. I hate how the devs aren’t bothered with commenting with their thoughts on the event, yet they’re willing to throw out whole blog posts about e-sports, which only 1%-2% of the community actually enter and take part in.

Um, you CHOSE to wait for this event so blaming Anet for you deciding to wait is nonsense. If you knew it was going to start in 2 hours, why didn’t you go do something else … oh right, because it would have been a less awesome QQ thread if you did that.

Before you rebut, do realize you need 150%+ participation to get anything from the Meta.

TD has very few events after the Meta chain is finished. Also there’s almost no possibility of coming back into the same map if you leave an organized map.

I can take a good guess. You never beat Chak Gerent before. That’s why you can sprout out some NS like this.

What does that have to do with the OP complaining about waiting? If he’s just waiting around, he’s not getting his 150% partricipation.

Sure, you can. I’ve done plenty of waiting around with 200% participation.

The more I hear, the more I think this isn’t a game issue. SO you have a dude, just sitting around waiting, probably getting 150% participation, then his map fails meta after 8 minutes … and people seem to want to defend him because he copmplains the wait is too long? /losthope

No game should accommodate such lazy gameplay. You guys win … Anet should just mail you whatever gear you want, no work required. Have fun with Dress up Wars 2

Obtena.7952:

Anet should just mail you whatever gear you want, no work required. Have fun with Dress up Wars 2

You’re right. Not particularly liking the 2-hour timer schedule of HoT meta events means that we all just want this.

Makes totally logical sense.

SMH