Guild Wars 2

….is pretty fine to me.

Look at all the things we are getting with HoT.

- Elite Specializations
- New weapon for each class
- New post level 80 leveling system
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls
- Guild Halls
- New Class
- New WvW Map
- Various new WvW mechanics
- New sPvP Map
- New sPvP Mode
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

Then later on down the road….you’ll get Living World Season 3 and 4, if we assume that it’ll be 2 season between each expac. You also get more feature packs, and more balance patches. You could sink hours upon hours into this expansion.

That is awesome for just 50.00

Does it suck that only new players really get a bonus item? Sure, but that doesn’t mean the price of the expac should change for us veteran players.

I do think a character slot would be a reasonable bonus to veteran players though.

To be honest, I don’t want the character slot as much anymore. I want the same what other new buyers are getting. A key for the core game. I could use it. I will have 5 slots and also give me chance to get the daily chest to recoup any costs for character slots. Yes, that’s what I want now. I want to get what I paid for. I shouldn’t be denied what I’ve paid for even if I already gotten it. If that’s the case, then everyone should only have 1 of everything. Such as a computer since paying for a 2nd is meaningless since you should only have 1. Same goes for tv, cars, etc.

Jordo.5913:

….is pretty fine to me.

Look at all the things we are getting with HoT.

- Elite Specializations
- New weapon for each class
- New post level 80 leveling system
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls
- Guild Halls
- New Class
- New WvW Map
- Various new WvW mechanics
- New sPvP Map
- New sPvP Mode
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

Then later on down the road….you’ll get Living World Season 3 and 4, if we assume that it’ll be 2 season between each expac. You also get more feature packs, and more balance patches. You could sink hours upon hours into this expansion.

That is awesome for just 50.00

Does it suck that only new players really get a bonus item? Sure, but that doesn’t mean the price of the expac should change for us veteran players.

I do think a character slot would be a reasonable bonus to veteran players though.

- Elite Specializations – Yup expansion feature = +1
- New weapon for each class – Links back to elite specs, no points = 0
- New post level 80 leveling system – Masteries aren’t expansion restricted, they’re being implemented next patch, this coming tuesday, only the magumma jungle ones are… sooo.. = +0.5
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections” – Yup = +1
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls – Should have been from the start, at least in my opinion… but still = +0.5
- Guild Halls = Same as above = 0
- New Class = Yup +1
- New WvW Map = Not resctricted to expansion, anyone without an expasion can play it, therefore it’s not an expasion feature, it’s just a feature that happens to be implemented during the release of an expasion = 0
- Various new WvW mechanics – Same as above = 0
- New sPvP Map – pretty sure anyone without an expansion will still get access, soo… = 0 (though not 100% sure)
- New sPvP Mode – same thing as above = 0
- New Confirmed Challenging Content – Yup = +1

SO, in reality your list is reduced to:

- Elite Specializations – Yup expansion feature = +1
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections” – Yup = +1
- New Class = Yup +1
- New Confirmed Challenging Content – Yup = +1

- New post level 80 leveling system – Masteries aren’t expansion restricted, they’re being implemented next patch, this coming tuesday, only the magumma jungle ones are… sooo.. = +0.5
- Guild Halls – Should have been from the start, at least in my opinion… but still = +0.5

In reality you’re just getting 4-5 expansion exclusive things… the rest are going to be applied to the base game from my understanding (marked with 0 or 0.5), and even if you don’t have the expansion you will get to play them. Plus you had a couple of points being duplicated to make the list look long and feature-full. 5 Maps are rumored too… I’m only aware of 1 at the moment… could very well be 1-3, we don’t know.

Zero day is correct and I think it’s like 1 zone and the other 2 are the spvp map and WvW not HoT exclusive

A few of the items on your list are actually going to be implemented before the expansion is even released and aren’t really apart of Heart of Thorns, so I wouldn’t lump it in.

Jordo.5913:

….is pretty fine to me.

Look at all the things we are getting with HoT.

- Elite Specializations
- New weapon for each class
- New post level 80 leveling system
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls
- Guild Halls
- New Class
- New WvW Map
- Various new WvW mechanics
- New sPvP Map
- New sPvP Mode
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

Then later on down the road….you’ll get Living World Season 3 and 4, if we assume that it’ll be 2 season between each expac. You also get more feature packs, and more balance patches. You could sink hours upon hours into this expansion.

That is awesome for just 50.00

Does it suck that only new players really get a bonus item? Sure, but that doesn’t mean the price of the expac should change for us veteran players.

I do think a character slot would be a reasonable bonus to veteran players though.

Let me reiterate here: I did not get the core game for free. New players get the core game for free. Can you attempt a better explanation at why I should be okay with this? I might be a little less miffed if I actually thought I was getting some kind of value for my money. Instead, it looks like Anet expects me to forget that I ever spent money to purchase their software in the first place!

One of the big things that ANet will have to deal with is player perception of value. The one they should have foreseen is that they are taking a new approach to maps. 15 ordinary maps is about what people expect, but another Snowden Drifts would do nothing for. Nor, to be honest would another Southson Cove. Maps like Silverwaste on the other hand have long term potential. They should have really been aware that this would be a perception problem and not charged at a premium rate.

Then the whole thing got compounded with the core game not included for veteran players situation, but having been brought up with the idea that whining “he got more than me” is a mark of selfishness I can’t really get too much into that one.

Jordo.5913:

….is pretty fine to me.

Look at all the things we are getting with HoT.

- Elite Specializations
- New weapon for each class
- New post level 80 leveling system
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls
- Guild Halls
- New Class
- New WvW Map
- Various new WvW mechanics
- New sPvP Map
- New sPvP Mode
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

Then later on down the road….you’ll get Living World Season 3 and 4, if we assume that it’ll be 2 season between each expac. You also get more feature packs, and more balance patches. You could sink hours upon hours into this expansion.

That is awesome for just 50.00

-There will be masteries for the core game, not exclusive.
-We only know we’re getting Verdant Brink for certain. Rumours are just that, rumours.
-WvW map will be available with core.
-PvP map will be available with core.
-PvP mode will be available with core.
-Can you give me details about this challenging content? For all we know they might have refered to new bosses like the Wyvern.

LS will likely be financed by gemstore revenue, like the previous two.

Looks a lot lighter now, huh.

Jordo.5913:

….is pretty fine to me.

Look at all the things we are getting with HoT.

- Elite Specializations
- New weapon for each class
- New post level 80 leveling system
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls
- Guild Halls
- New Class
- New WvW Map
- Various new WvW mechanics
- New sPvP Map
- New sPvP Mode
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

Then later on down the road….you’ll get Living World Season 3 and 4, if we assume that it’ll be 2 season between each expac. You also get more feature packs, and more balance patches. You could sink hours upon hours into this expansion.

That is awesome for just 50.00

Does it suck that only new players really get a bonus item? Sure, but that doesn’t mean the price of the expac should change for us veteran players.

I do think a character slot would be a reasonable bonus to veteran players though.

PSSSST

How much did Anet pay you to start this thread?

I happen to be hiring a social media reputation manager where I pay you to make me seem honest and reputable

It’s just anet trying to see if people are willing to buy a 2 in 1 feature pack patch for 50usd. Cos after this there will be no base game/expansion differentiation. It’s all just a 50usd patch ^^

SleepingDragon.1596:

To be honest, I don’t want the character slot as much anymore. I want the same what other new buyers are getting. A key for the core game. I could use it. I will have 5 slots and also give me chance to get the daily chest to recoup any costs for character slots. Yes, that’s what I want now. I want to get what I paid for. I shouldn’t be denied what I’ve paid for even if I already gotten it. If that’s the case, then everyone should only have 1 of everything. Such as a computer since paying for a 2nd is meaningless since you should only have 1. Same goes for tv, cars, etc.

You just make a new account?

Channel.9402:

It’s just anet trying to see if people are willing to buy a 2 in 1 feature pack patch for 50usd. Cos after this there will be no base game/expansion differentiation. It’s all just a 50usd patch ^^

Comments like this makes me question humanity, you might just as well say that to every game dlc ever.

Furious.2867:

Jordo.5913:

….is pretty fine to me.

Look at all the things we are getting with HoT.

- Elite Specializations
- New weapon for each class
- New post level 80 leveling system
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls
- Guild Halls
- New Class
- New WvW Map
- Various new WvW mechanics
- New sPvP Map
- New sPvP Mode
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

Then later on down the road….you’ll get Living World Season 3 and 4, if we assume that it’ll be 2 season between each expac. You also get more feature packs, and more balance patches. You could sink hours upon hours into this expansion.

That is awesome for just 50.00

Does it suck that only new players really get a bonus item? Sure, but that doesn’t mean the price of the expac should change for us veteran players.

I do think a character slot would be a reasonable bonus to veteran players though.

PSSSST

How much did Anet pay you to start this thread?

I happen to be hiring a social media reputation manager where I pay you to make me seem honest and reputable

OMG, how dare he don’t agree with people raging on the internet and tries to burn down Anet. He must be paid.

I’ve noticed a lot of fans are still under the assumption that some of the features Anet has announced are only for Heart of Thorns, when in fact they will be added as updates to the core game. That may effect some of the perceived value of the expansion.

Sekhmet.6153:

I’ve noticed a lot of fans are still under the assumption that some of the features Anet has announced are only for Heart of Thorns, when in fact they will be added as updates to the core game. That may effect some of the perceived value of the expansion.

That core game is still something I paid for, and still something new players are ostensibly getting for free. If I don’t have to pay for the expansion to get these features, that’s one more reason for me to not buy HoT.

Perception of value may not always make sense in concrete mathematical terms, but economics is not a mathematical science.

gryph.8734:

Jordo.5913:

….is pretty fine to me.

Look at all the things we are getting with HoT.

- Elite Specializations
- New weapon for each class
- New post level 80 leveling system
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls
- Guild Halls
- New Class
- New WvW Map
- Various new WvW mechanics
- New sPvP Map
- New sPvP Mode
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

Then later on down the road….you’ll get Living World Season 3 and 4, if we assume that it’ll be 2 season between each expac. You also get more feature packs, and more balance patches. You could sink hours upon hours into this expansion.

That is awesome for just 50.00

Does it suck that only new players really get a bonus item? Sure, but that doesn’t mean the price of the expac should change for us veteran players.

I do think a character slot would be a reasonable bonus to veteran players though.

Let me reiterate here: I did not get the core game for free. New players get the core game for free. Can you attempt a better explanation at why I should be okay with this? I might be a little less miffed if I actually thought I was getting some kind of value for my money. Instead, it looks like Anet expects me to forget that I ever spent money to purchase their software in the first place!

Where you mad when the core game was on sale for $10?

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Jordo.5913:

….is pretty fine to me.

Look at all the things we are getting with HoT.

- Elite Specializations
- New weapon for each class
- New post level 80 leveling system
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls
- Guild Halls
- New Class
- New WvW Map
- Various new WvW mechanics
- New sPvP Map
- New sPvP Mode
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

Then later on down the road….you’ll get Living World Season 3 and 4, if we assume that it’ll be 2 season between each expac. You also get more feature packs, and more balance patches. You could sink hours upon hours into this expansion.

That is awesome for just 50.00

Does it suck that only new players really get a bonus item? Sure, but that doesn’t mean the price of the expac should change for us veteran players.

I do think a character slot would be a reasonable bonus to veteran players though.

Let me reiterate here: I did not get the core game for free. New players get the core game for free. Can you attempt a better explanation at why I should be okay with this? I might be a little less miffed if I actually thought I was getting some kind of value for my money. Instead, it looks like Anet expects me to forget that I ever spent money to purchase their software in the first place!

Where you mad when the core game was on sale for $10?

I winced, but I didn’t feel like I was getting hosed or lied to. Now I do. My perception of this whole sad situation is that Anet is seeking to cater to new players at the expense of veterans. That is why until my issues are sufficiently addressed, I will not be purchasing HoT at all.

gryph.8734:

Sekhmet.6153:

I’ve noticed a lot of fans are still under the assumption that some of the features Anet has announced are only for Heart of Thorns, when in fact they will be added as updates to the core game. That may effect some of the perceived value of the expansion.

That core game is still something I paid for, and still something new players are ostensibly getting for free. If I don’t have to pay for the expansion to get these features, that’s one more reason for me to not buy HoT.

Perception of value may not always make sense in concrete mathematical terms, but economics is not a mathematical science.

That being my point, there are likely going to be fans that thought they could only get certain things with HoT, and then when they learn everyone will get it for free, may feel like HoT is a little less worth it.

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Jordo.5913:

….is pretty fine to me.

Look at all the things we are getting with HoT.

- Elite Specializations
- New weapon for each class
- New post level 80 leveling system
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls
- Guild Halls
- New Class
- New WvW Map
- Various new WvW mechanics
- New sPvP Map
- New sPvP Mode
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

Then later on down the road….you’ll get Living World Season 3 and 4, if we assume that it’ll be 2 season between each expac. You also get more feature packs, and more balance patches. You could sink hours upon hours into this expansion.

That is awesome for just 50.00

Does it suck that only new players really get a bonus item? Sure, but that doesn’t mean the price of the expac should change for us veteran players.

I do think a character slot would be a reasonable bonus to veteran players though.

Let me reiterate here: I did not get the core game for free. New players get the core game for free. Can you attempt a better explanation at why I should be okay with this? I might be a little less miffed if I actually thought I was getting some kind of value for my money. Instead, it looks like Anet expects me to forget that I ever spent money to purchase their software in the first place!

Where you mad when the core game was on sale for $10?

I winced, but I didn’t feel like I was getting hosed or lied to. Now I do. My perception of this whole sad situation is that Anet is seeking to cater to new players at the expense of veterans. That is why until my issues are sufficiently addressed, I will not be purchasing HoT at all.

You winced, because something that was in an MMO came down in price. Then the fault is yours, because virtually all computer games come down in price and some are eventually free. ESO was pay to play and charged a sub for a year. SWToR charged a sub. People paid $15 a month until they went free to play. Some games like Lotro and DDO were originally games you bought that had a sub they went completely free. So new players got in free.

If you buy Wow now, you only have to buy the current expansion and you get all the expansions in between, you guessed it, for free.

I bought games when they came out, and a year later they’re on steam for 3.99.

You can feel bad about it if you like, but if you’re going to allow that $10 difference to go from wincing to betrayal, you’re not paying attention to the market.

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Jordo.5913:

….is pretty fine to me.

Look at all the things we are getting with HoT.

- Elite Specializations
- New weapon for each class
- New post level 80 leveling system
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls
- Guild Halls
- New Class
- New WvW Map
- Various new WvW mechanics
- New sPvP Map
- New sPvP Mode
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

Then later on down the road….you’ll get Living World Season 3 and 4, if we assume that it’ll be 2 season between each expac. You also get more feature packs, and more balance patches. You could sink hours upon hours into this expansion.

That is awesome for just 50.00

Does it suck that only new players really get a bonus item? Sure, but that doesn’t mean the price of the expac should change for us veteran players.

I do think a character slot would be a reasonable bonus to veteran players though.

Let me reiterate here: I did not get the core game for free. New players get the core game for free. Can you attempt a better explanation at why I should be okay with this? I might be a little less miffed if I actually thought I was getting some kind of value for my money. Instead, it looks like Anet expects me to forget that I ever spent money to purchase their software in the first place!

Where you mad when the core game was on sale for $10?

I winced, but I didn’t feel like I was getting hosed or lied to. Now I do. My perception of this whole sad situation is that Anet is seeking to cater to new players at the expense of veterans. That is why until my issues are sufficiently addressed, I will not be purchasing HoT at all.

You winced, because something that was in an MMO came down in price. Then the fault is yours, because virtually all computer games come down in price and some are eventually free. ESO was pay to play and charged a sub for a year. SWToR charged a sub. People paid $15 a month until they went free to play. Some games like Lotro and DDO were originally games you bought that had a sub they went completely free. So new players got in free.

If you buy Wow now, you only have to buy the current expansion and you get all the expansions in between, you guessed it, for free.

I bought games when they came out, and a year later they’re on steam for 3.99.

You can feel bad about it if you like, but if you’re going to allow that $10 difference to go from wincing to betrayal, you’re not paying attention to the market.

Perception of value is a thing, Vayne. It’s an important thing. Whether I paid $10 or $50 or $90 on a collector’s edition, that doesn’t change the fact that by Anet’s own admission, the new players are getting something free that I paid good money for after being told for months that we needed the core game in order to access the HoT expansion.

Now I could be like many other players and point out how dishonest this seems. I could also be like some others who have claimed this is a form of illegal bait-and-switch tactics. Honestly, I don’t care about any of that. I want to feel like I am getting something for my money that somehow puts me on a level of economic parity with the new players who will pay half of what I’d end up paying for the exact same content. I know this is not beyond Anet’s ability to handle. I also know they’ve done an extremely poor job of handling this so far. So be it.

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Jordo.5913:

….is pretty fine to me.

Look at all the things we are getting with HoT.

- Elite Specializations
- New weapon for each class
- New post level 80 leveling system
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls
- Guild Halls
- New Class
- New WvW Map
- Various new WvW mechanics
- New sPvP Map
- New sPvP Mode
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

Then later on down the road….you’ll get Living World Season 3 and 4, if we assume that it’ll be 2 season between each expac. You also get more feature packs, and more balance patches. You could sink hours upon hours into this expansion.

That is awesome for just 50.00

Does it suck that only new players really get a bonus item? Sure, but that doesn’t mean the price of the expac should change for us veteran players.

I do think a character slot would be a reasonable bonus to veteran players though.

Let me reiterate here: I did not get the core game for free. New players get the core game for free. Can you attempt a better explanation at why I should be okay with this? I might be a little less miffed if I actually thought I was getting some kind of value for my money. Instead, it looks like Anet expects me to forget that I ever spent money to purchase their software in the first place!

Where you mad when the core game was on sale for $10?

I winced, but I didn’t feel like I was getting hosed or lied to. Now I do. My perception of this whole sad situation is that Anet is seeking to cater to new players at the expense of veterans. That is why until my issues are sufficiently addressed, I will not be purchasing HoT at all.

You winced, because something that was in an MMO came down in price. Then the fault is yours, because virtually all computer games come down in price and some are eventually free. ESO was pay to play and charged a sub for a year. SWToR charged a sub. People paid $15 a month until they went free to play. Some games like Lotro and DDO were originally games you bought that had a sub they went completely free. So new players got in free.

If you buy Wow now, you only have to buy the current expansion and you get all the expansions in between, you guessed it, for free.

I bought games when they came out, and a year later they’re on steam for 3.99.

You can feel bad about it if you like, but if you’re going to allow that $10 difference to go from wincing to betrayal, you’re not paying attention to the market.

Perception of value is a thing, Vayne. It’s an important thing. Whether I paid $10 or $50 or $90 on a collector’s edition, that doesn’t change the fact that by Anet’s own admission, the new players are getting something free that I paid good money for after being told for months that we needed the core game in order to access the HoT expansion.

Now I could be like many other players and point out how dishonest this seems. I could also be like some others who have claimed this is a form of illegal bait-and-switch tactics. Honestly, I don’t care about any of that. I want to feel like I am getting something for my money that somehow puts me on a level of economic parity with the new players who will pay half of what I’d end up paying for the exact same content. I know this is not beyond Anet’s ability to handle. I also know they’ve done an extremely poor job of handling this so far. So be it.

Perceptions are also choices that everyone makes. Prejudiced people have a certain perception. Liberal and conservative people have certain perceptions. Perceptions are a thing. In my life, I’ve learned that they’re not reality. They’re just a point of view.

Some points of view, they’re valuable to us. They help us in life. Some don’t. If you think your point of view in this is helpful to you, but all means cultivate it. But if I lived with that thought process, I think my life would be a lot more annoying.

Anet isn’t doing anything more or less than almost any other MMO company has done. How would you have felt paying a sub for a year to SWToR or ESO and then finding out everyone else can play the game without paying a sub. And that’s not $10 or even $40 we’re talking about.

How about Lotro or DDO , where people not only didn’t have to buy the game anymore, but didn’t have to pay a sub.

How about WoW, where people paid for four, five expansions and new players don’t have to buy them, they get them for free.

This is an industry where prices go down, sometimes to the point where they’re free. If you understand that, then what Anet did was mispackage and miscommunicate. But it wasn’t intrinsically wrong.

And you’re entitle to a refund if you bought it recently. So they’re making good on it too.

I have no recourse. I can not request a refund. And even if I could, all the money I spent on gems would be POOF. Gone. So whatevs. If you’re trying to get me to change my mind about purchasing HoT because my feelings are somehow wrong on this matter, gg. It didn’t work.

gryph.8734:

I have no recourse. I can not request a refund. And even if I could, all the money I spent on gems would be POOF. Gone. So whatevs. If you’re trying to get me to change my mind about purchasing HoT because my feelings are somehow wrong on this matter, gg. It didn’t work.

It is your own problem for not keeping recourse, also gem can be refunded if purchased within 30 days. No one cares if you want to buy the expansion or not.

warbignime.4610:

gryph.8734:

I have no recourse. I can not request a refund. And even if I could, all the money I spent on gems would be POOF. Gone. So whatevs. If you’re trying to get me to change my mind about purchasing HoT because my feelings are somehow wrong on this matter, gg. It didn’t work.

It is your own problem for not keeping recourse, also gem can be refunded if purchased within 30 days. No one cares if you want to buy the expansion or not.

Au contraire. None of my fellow forum commenters may care, but I think it is to Anet’s advantage to get as many people to buy the expansion as possible. If they really don’t want my money, they don’t need to do anything. They’ll be happy and we can call it a win-win situation. I can’t imagine that would be the case, but I’ve made my gripes known in this matter. If Anet continues to show a willingness to sacrifice my concerns as a veteran for new players, I may re-evaluate my decision to keep playing and purchasing gems for the core game as well.

Half of the things you mentioned are included in upcoming updates. With those removed, we have:

- Elite Specializations
- New weapon for each class
- New post level 80 leveling system
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls
- New Class
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

Let’s also consider that Anet’s previous expansion, EotN, was $40. The base game was $10 when on sale. Coincidence? Seems unlikely in my opinion.

gryph.8734:

I have no recourse. I can not request a refund. And even if I could, all the money I spent on gems would be POOF. Gone. So whatevs. If you’re trying to get me to change my mind about purchasing HoT because my feelings are somehow wrong on this matter, gg. It didn’t work.

How long ago did you buy the game? And the gems don’t go poof. I’m pretty sure they can just refund you now without closing the account.

Stormbolt.7293:

Half of the things you mentioned are included in upcoming updates. With those removed, we have:

- Elite Specializations
- New weapon for each class
- New post level 80 leveling system
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls
- New Class
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

Let’s also consider that Anet’s previous expansion, EotN, was $40. The base game was $10 when on sale. Coincidence? Seems unlikely in my opinion.

Again less than that…

New weapon and elite specs are the same thing basically…

new post level 80 leveling system is getting patched in next Tuesday pretty sure, only a part of it is expansion exclusive (maguma jungle masteries).

So really:

- Elite Specializations/New weapon for each class
- Rumored 5 new zones with 3 “sub-sections”
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls (why wasn’t this from the start…?)
- New Class
- New Confirmed Challenging Content

- Additional Maguma Jungle Masteries.

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

I have no recourse. I can not request a refund. And even if I could, all the money I spent on gems would be POOF. Gone. So whatevs. If you’re trying to get me to change my mind about purchasing HoT because my feelings are somehow wrong on this matter, gg. It didn’t work.

How long ago did you buy the game? And the gems don’t go poof. I’m pretty sure they can just refund you now without closing the account.

I’ve played since early October 2012. About the time they reinstituted digital sales. Oh no. If a refund were an option, no way in h**l am I giving up two-and-a-half years of in-game effort. It’s moot, anyhow. I’m wayyyyyy outside the 30 day window. I have no gems that haven’t been spent, and besides which, my last gem purchase was easily a couple of months ago.

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

I have no recourse. I can not request a refund. And even if I could, all the money I spent on gems would be POOF. Gone. So whatevs. If you’re trying to get me to change my mind about purchasing HoT because my feelings are somehow wrong on this matter, gg. It didn’t work.

How long ago did you buy the game? And the gems don’t go poof. I’m pretty sure they can just refund you now without closing the account.

I’ve played since early October 2012. About the time they reinstituted digital sales. Oh no. If a refund were an option, no way in h**l am I giving up two-and-a-half years of in-game effort. It’s moot, anyhow. I’m wayyyyyy outside the 30 day window. I have no gems that haven’t been spent, and besides which, my last gem purchase was easily a couple of months ago.

Shrugs, yeah that’s too long a time to get a refund, but having played the game for 2.5 years I wouldn’t even think you’re entitled to one. The only people I think would be entitled are people who bought GW 2 after they FAQ for HoT went up.

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

I have no recourse. I can not request a refund. And even if I could, all the money I spent on gems would be POOF. Gone. So whatevs. If you’re trying to get me to change my mind about purchasing HoT because my feelings are somehow wrong on this matter, gg. It didn’t work.

How long ago did you buy the game? And the gems don’t go poof. I’m pretty sure they can just refund you now without closing the account.

I’ve played since early October 2012. About the time they reinstituted digital sales. Oh no. If a refund were an option, no way in h**l am I giving up two-and-a-half years of in-game effort. It’s moot, anyhow. I’m wayyyyyy outside the 30 day window. I have no gems that haven’t been spent, and besides which, my last gem purchase was easily a couple of months ago.

Shrugs, yeah that’s too long a time to get a refund, but having played the game for 2.5 years I wouldn’t even think you’re entitled to one. The only people I think would be entitled are people who bought GW 2 after they FAQ for HoT went up.

Then you’re completely missing the point. I don’t give a greasy brown crap about a refund. I want economic parity. That’s all. I want to feel like I’m getting value for my hard-earned $50, which at this point I do not. Until I’m satisfied that I’m not being sacrificed as a veteran in favor of new players, I’m just not buying HoT. And I reserve the right to re-evaluate other aspects of my customer relationship with Anet in the future.

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

I have no recourse. I can not request a refund. And even if I could, all the money I spent on gems would be POOF. Gone. So whatevs. If you’re trying to get me to change my mind about purchasing HoT because my feelings are somehow wrong on this matter, gg. It didn’t work.

How long ago did you buy the game? And the gems don’t go poof. I’m pretty sure they can just refund you now without closing the account.

I’ve played since early October 2012. About the time they reinstituted digital sales. Oh no. If a refund were an option, no way in h**l am I giving up two-and-a-half years of in-game effort. It’s moot, anyhow. I’m wayyyyyy outside the 30 day window. I have no gems that haven’t been spent, and besides which, my last gem purchase was easily a couple of months ago.

Shrugs, yeah that’s too long a time to get a refund, but having played the game for 2.5 years I wouldn’t even think you’re entitled to one. The only people I think would be entitled are people who bought GW 2 after they FAQ for HoT went up.

Then you’re completely missing the point. I don’t give a greasy brown crap about a refund. I want economic parity. That’s all. I want to feel like I’m getting value for my hard-earned $50, which at this point I do not. Until I’m satisfied that I’m not being sacrificed as a veteran in favor of new players, I’m just not buying HoT. And I reserve the right to re-evaluate other aspects of my customer relationship with Anet in the future.

You don’t get to have economic parity with a game EVER. Period. Most games that are two years old sell for a fraction of what they sell for and some don’t sell at all, and are included in later versions of the game. There is no economic parity.

In my opinion, what you want is simply not reasonable, at least within the MMO genre.

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

I have no recourse. I can not request a refund. And even if I could, all the money I spent on gems would be POOF. Gone. So whatevs. If you’re trying to get me to change my mind about purchasing HoT because my feelings are somehow wrong on this matter, gg. It didn’t work.

How long ago did you buy the game? And the gems don’t go poof. I’m pretty sure they can just refund you now without closing the account.

I’ve played since early October 2012. About the time they reinstituted digital sales. Oh no. If a refund were an option, no way in h**l am I giving up two-and-a-half years of in-game effort. It’s moot, anyhow. I’m wayyyyyy outside the 30 day window. I have no gems that haven’t been spent, and besides which, my last gem purchase was easily a couple of months ago.

Shrugs, yeah that’s too long a time to get a refund, but having played the game for 2.5 years I wouldn’t even think you’re entitled to one. The only people I think would be entitled are people who bought GW 2 after they FAQ for HoT went up.

Then you’re completely missing the point. I don’t give a greasy brown crap about a refund. I want economic parity. That’s all. I want to feel like I’m getting value for my hard-earned $50, which at this point I do not. Until I’m satisfied that I’m not being sacrificed as a veteran in favor of new players, I’m just not buying HoT. And I reserve the right to re-evaluate other aspects of my customer relationship with Anet in the future.

You don’t get to have economic parity with a game EVER. Period. Most games that are two years old sell for a fraction of what they sell for and some don’t sell at all, and are included in later versions of the game. There is no economic parity.

In my opinion, what you want is simply not reasonable, at least within the MMO genre.

You’re absolutely right. Anet is under no obligation to provide me with a sense of economic parity. And I am under no obligation to spend $50 to purchase their expansion. Especially not with the large amount of patching which will be taking place on the 23rd. I’m glad you and I see eye-to-eye on this. I just hope that the grumbling over at Reddit doesn’t portend bad things for Anet. I really do like GW2 and I really would like to keep on playing. I’m not going to if it stops being fun.

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

I have no recourse. I can not request a refund. And even if I could, all the money I spent on gems would be POOF. Gone. So whatevs. If you’re trying to get me to change my mind about purchasing HoT because my feelings are somehow wrong on this matter, gg. It didn’t work.

How long ago did you buy the game? And the gems don’t go poof. I’m pretty sure they can just refund you now without closing the account.

I’ve played since early October 2012. About the time they reinstituted digital sales. Oh no. If a refund were an option, no way in h**l am I giving up two-and-a-half years of in-game effort. It’s moot, anyhow. I’m wayyyyyy outside the 30 day window. I have no gems that haven’t been spent, and besides which, my last gem purchase was easily a couple of months ago.

Shrugs, yeah that’s too long a time to get a refund, but having played the game for 2.5 years I wouldn’t even think you’re entitled to one. The only people I think would be entitled are people who bought GW 2 after they FAQ for HoT went up.

Then you’re completely missing the point. I don’t give a greasy brown crap about a refund. I want economic parity. That’s all. I want to feel like I’m getting value for my hard-earned $50, which at this point I do not. Until I’m satisfied that I’m not being sacrificed as a veteran in favor of new players, I’m just not buying HoT. And I reserve the right to re-evaluate other aspects of my customer relationship with Anet in the future.

You don’t get to have economic parity with a game EVER. Period. Most games that are two years old sell for a fraction of what they sell for and some don’t sell at all, and are included in later versions of the game. There is no economic parity.

In my opinion, what you want is simply not reasonable, at least within the MMO genre.

You’re absolutely right. Anet is under no obligation to provide me with a sense of economic parity. And I am under no obligation to spend $50 to purchase their expansion. Especially not with the large amount of patching which will be taking place on the 23rd. I’m glad you and I see eye-to-eye on this. I just hope that the grumbling over at Reddit doesn’t portend bad things for Anet. I really do like GW2 and I really would like to keep on playing. I’m not going to if it stops being fun.

Well if your fun depends on economic parity it’s your own lookout. Don’t buy the game. I’ll be playing it and probably having a ball. Can’t wait to glide.

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

I have no recourse. I can not request a refund. And even if I could, all the money I spent on gems would be POOF. Gone. So whatevs. If you’re trying to get me to change my mind about purchasing HoT because my feelings are somehow wrong on this matter, gg. It didn’t work.

How long ago did you buy the game? And the gems don’t go poof. I’m pretty sure they can just refund you now without closing the account.

I’ve played since early October 2012. About the time they reinstituted digital sales. Oh no. If a refund were an option, no way in h**l am I giving up two-and-a-half years of in-game effort. It’s moot, anyhow. I’m wayyyyyy outside the 30 day window. I have no gems that haven’t been spent, and besides which, my last gem purchase was easily a couple of months ago.

Shrugs, yeah that’s too long a time to get a refund, but having played the game for 2.5 years I wouldn’t even think you’re entitled to one. The only people I think would be entitled are people who bought GW 2 after they FAQ for HoT went up.

Then you’re completely missing the point. I don’t give a greasy brown crap about a refund. I want economic parity. That’s all. I want to feel like I’m getting value for my hard-earned $50, which at this point I do not. Until I’m satisfied that I’m not being sacrificed as a veteran in favor of new players, I’m just not buying HoT. And I reserve the right to re-evaluate other aspects of my customer relationship with Anet in the future.

You don’t get to have economic parity with a game EVER. Period. Most games that are two years old sell for a fraction of what they sell for and some don’t sell at all, and are included in later versions of the game. There is no economic parity.

In my opinion, what you want is simply not reasonable, at least within the MMO genre.

You’re absolutely right. Anet is under no obligation to provide me with a sense of economic parity. And I am under no obligation to spend $50 to purchase their expansion. Especially not with the large amount of patching which will be taking place on the 23rd. I’m glad you and I see eye-to-eye on this. I just hope that the grumbling over at Reddit doesn’t portend bad things for Anet. I really do like GW2 and I really would like to keep on playing. I’m not going to if it stops being fun.

Well if your fun depends on economic parity it’s your own lookout. Don’t buy the game. I’ll be playing it and probably having a ball. Can’t wait to glide.

Say hi to all the new players who got the core game for nothing for me.

Zero Day.2594:

- Elite Specializations/New weapon for each class
- New Magumma Zones
- 2 Zones dedicated to Guild Halls (why wasn’t this from the start…?)
- New Class
- New Confirmed Challenging Content
- Additional Maguma Jungle Masteries.
- HoT Personal Story addition

Living story is HIGHLY likely to be focused on the Magumma Jungle zones, so if you don’t have expac, you probably wont be able to do it, so I personally would add that in there, but opinions I guess.

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

Vayne.8563:

gryph.8734:

I have no recourse. I can not request a refund. And even if I could, all the money I spent on gems would be POOF. Gone. So whatevs. If you’re trying to get me to change my mind about purchasing HoT because my feelings are somehow wrong on this matter, gg. It didn’t work.

How long ago did you buy the game? And the gems don’t go poof. I’m pretty sure they can just refund you now without closing the account.

I’ve played since early October 2012. About the time they reinstituted digital sales. Oh no. If a refund were an option, no way in h**l am I giving up two-and-a-half years of in-game effort. It’s moot, anyhow. I’m wayyyyyy outside the 30 day window. I have no gems that haven’t been spent, and besides which, my last gem purchase was easily a couple of months ago.

Shrugs, yeah that’s too long a time to get a refund, but having played the game for 2.5 years I wouldn’t even think you’re entitled to one. The only people I think would be entitled are people who bought GW 2 after they FAQ for HoT went up.

Then you’re completely missing the point. I don’t give a greasy brown crap about a refund. I want economic parity. That’s all. I want to feel like I’m getting value for my hard-earned $50, which at this point I do not. Until I’m satisfied that I’m not being sacrificed as a veteran in favor of new players, I’m just not buying HoT. And I reserve the right to re-evaluate other aspects of my customer relationship with Anet in the future.

You don’t get to have economic parity with a game EVER. Period. Most games that are two years old sell for a fraction of what they sell for and some don’t sell at all, and are included in later versions of the game. There is no economic parity.

In my opinion, what you want is simply not reasonable, at least within the MMO genre.

You’re absolutely right. Anet is under no obligation to provide me with a sense of economic parity. And I am under no obligation to spend $50 to purchase their expansion. Especially not with the large amount of patching which will be taking place on the 23rd. I’m glad you and I see eye-to-eye on this. I just hope that the grumbling over at Reddit doesn’t portend bad things for Anet. I really do like GW2 and I really would like to keep on playing. I’m not going to if it stops being fun.

Well if your fun depends on economic parity it’s your own lookout. Don’t buy the game. I’ll be playing it and probably having a ball. Can’t wait to glide.

Say hi to all the new players who got the core game for nothing for me.

He will probably enjoy telling them about living world season 1. Not everyone has an acutely developed sense of envy though, so it won’t necessarily annoy them.

Cormac.3871:

One of the big things that ANet will have to deal with is player perception of value. The one they should have foreseen is that they are taking a new approach to maps. 15 ordinary maps is about what people expect, but another Snowden Drifts would do nothing for. Nor, to be honest would another Southson Cove. Maps like Silverwaste on the other hand have long term potential. They should have really been aware that this would be a perception problem and not charged at a premium rate.

The perception problem also extends to features (new pvp mode/map, new wvw map, tyria masteries, etc. …) that are not sold as part of HoT but are (clearly) part of the development (costs) of HoT.