Guild Wars 2

Since last elite spec reveal. Wazzup? That break is a bit too long.

This is the current status of the hype train.

http://i.imgur.com/J20iw.jpg

Hype level: Half-life 3.

We have had plenty of other information since then though.

Elite Specializations isn’t the only thing coming with the expansion.

The pace of info reveal is slower than a turtle. They announced it 6 months ago and to this day we dont even know elite specs nor we dont even have full base revenant. Hype is more than dead.

lordkrall.7241:

We have had plenty of other information since then though.

Elite Specializations isn’t the only thing coming with the expansion.

I guess so considering how small the “expansion” is. All meaningful that left are specs and group contest.

lordkrall.7241:

We have had plenty of other information since then though.

Elite Specializations isn’t the only thing coming with the expansion.

But some more specialisation info would be nice.

skowcia.8257:

I guess so considering how small the “expansion” is. All meaningful that left are specs and group contest.

Of course. And a couple of weeks ago we also had Guild Halls on that list, which was addressed.

CureForLiving.5360:

But some more specialisation info would be nice.

Oh, I agree, but people seems to imply that we have gotten no information whatsoever for months.

lordkrall.7241:

Oh, I agree, but people seems to imply that we have gotten no information whatsoever for months.

The problem is a lot of this information concerns something only small numbers of people really care about. Guild halls? Nice for guild leaders and some of the larger guilds maybe. Tournaments and beta dates? Well, I know I don’t care about those. The other information, I don’t even remember that… So yeah, we might be getting information, but it’s nothing exciting or memorable. And if this is the stuff they’re showing us to build hype about their expansion.. well, I think there’s an obvious conclusion there that a lot of people are coming to.

There’s more to Heart of Thorns than Elite Specialisations.

Swizzle.7982:

The problem is a lot of this information concerns something only small numbers of people really care about. Guild halls? Nice for guild leaders and some of the larger guilds maybe. Tournaments and beta dates? Well, I know I don’t care about those. The other information, I don’t even remember that… So yeah, we might be getting information, but it’s nothing exciting or memorable. And if this is the stuff they’re showing us to build hype about their expansion.. well, I think there’s an obvious conclusion there that a lot of people are coming to.

And what makes you so sure that more people care about a Warrior Specialization for example?

The Guild Halls seems to have plenty of things for all three game modes and it does include rather large changes for WvW.
YOU might not be interested in it, but that doesn’t mean it is not new information.

We can’t start disregarding information just because we don’t care about it.
Heck, I am not really all that interested in the Specializations, but I don’t go around claiming we have gotten no information after weeks when they have talked about them.

lordkrall.7241:

Oh, I agree, but people seems to imply that we have gotten no information whatsoever for months.

The thing is that the Elite Specializations (and Revenant) are the parts that apply to the entire game. They should be the big keystone to all of it. For them to have so little information out there about them is … worrisome.

skowcia.8257:

Since last elite spec reveal. Wazzup? That break is a bit too long.

8 weeks without any news is a problem to you, but 6 months without any substantial new content (except a rebuilt map that took 12 months to do) isn’t a problem? word.

lordkrall.7241:

Swizzle.7982:

The problem is a lot of this information concerns something only small numbers of people really care about. Guild halls? Nice for guild leaders and some of the larger guilds maybe. Tournaments and beta dates? Well, I know I don’t care about those. The other information, I don’t even remember that… So yeah, we might be getting information, but it’s nothing exciting or memorable. And if this is the stuff they’re showing us to build hype about their expansion.. well, I think there’s an obvious conclusion there that a lot of people are coming to.

And what makes you so sure that more people care about a Warrior Specialization for example?

The Guild Halls seems to have plenty of things for all three game modes and it does include rather large changes for WvW.
YOU might not be interested in it, but that doesn’t mean it is not new information.

We can’t start disregarding information just because we don’t care about it.
Heck, I am not really all that interested in the Specializations, but I don’t go around claiming we have gotten no information after weeks when they have talked about them.

Well, I don’t play warrior. I actually dislike playing warrior, I find it to be the most boring class in the game. But the specialization for even my least favourite class is still exciting, because maybe I’ll end up liking it, I’ll at least end up playing with people who use it, and most likely fighting against it too.

But go on, what other info do we have? Guild halls, revenant… and?

We know more information from data mining than from blog posts.

Judging by another thread here on the first page even the white knights have come to a conclusion that Hot will be a thin cash grab bundle of LS leftovers while more content is coming in the “future”.

Gambit.8425:

Judging by another thread here on the first page even the white knights have come to a conclusion that Hot will be a thin cash grab bundle of LS leftovers while more content is coming in the “future”.

Pretty sure the majority of forum warriors believe this.

Swizzle.7982:

Well, I don’t play warrior. I actually dislike playing warrior, I find it to be the most boring class in the game. But the specialization for even my least favourite class is still exciting, because maybe I’ll end up liking it, I’ll at least end up playing with people who use it, and most likely fighting against it too.

But go on, what other info do we have? Guild halls, revenant… and?

We know more information from data mining than from blog posts.

Masteries.
Stronghold.
Hylek.
WvW Mastery changes.
WvW map.
WvW system changes.

The only thing we doesn’t really have is Challenging Group content and a bunch of Elite Specialization.

Swizzle.7982:

This is the current status of the hype train.

http://i.imgur.com/J20iw.jpg

Hype level: Half-life 3.

Not quite… people are still interested in HL3.

Swizzle.7982:

This is the current status of the hype train.

http://i.imgur.com/J20iw.jpg

Hype level: Half-life 3.

Thats very fitting. Love it.

lordkrall.7241:

Swizzle.7982:

Well, I don’t play warrior. I actually dislike playing warrior, I find it to be the most boring class in the game. But the specialization for even my least favourite class is still exciting, because maybe I’ll end up liking it, I’ll at least end up playing with people who use it, and most likely fighting against it too.

But go on, what other info do we have? Guild halls, revenant… and?

We know more information from data mining than from blog posts.

Masteries.
Stronghold.
Hylek.
WvW Mastery changes.
WvW map.
WvW system changes.

The only thing we doesn’t really have is Challenging Group content and a bunch of Elite Specialization.

Well Masteries is not fully know though. Yes we know the system (in general), but we only know a couple of the masteries (Pact Tyria anyways, Magumma ones I think we know all), and of those we still don’t know what they do/require (ie fractal one).

Why do so many people seem to over exaggerate time-scales. It’s not been 6 months since Jan 24th, nor has it been 8 weeks since May the 14th.

Kaz.5430:

Why do so many people seem to over exaggerate time-scales. It’s not been 6 months since Jan 24th, nor has it been 8 weeks since May the 14th.

5.25 months and 7.57 weeks. These guys need to get there time scales checked! That type of inaccuracy is unacceptable in a modern society… we would be no better than filthy apes.

Swizzle.7982:

This is the current status of the hype train.

http://i.imgur.com/J20iw.jpg

Hype level: Half-life 3.

Blame everyone who prepurchased. ArenaNet already got their money, no reason to hype people now.

Gambit.8425:

Judging by another thread here on the first page even the white knights have come to a conclusion that Hot will be a thin cash grab bundle of LS leftovers while more content is coming in the “future”.

And yet they defend it like we’re calling their baby ugly. Amazing, huh? In the meantime, most of us are playing something else after we get our dailies done . . . if we bother these days.

You know something is wrong when you get more info from daamined stuff than from official blogs..

http://imgur.com/sRhRnru

Drones.

Gambit.8425:

Judging by another thread here on the first page even the white knights have come to a conclusion that Hot will be a thin cash grab bundle of LS leftovers while more content is coming in the “future”.

That sounds very bungie (yes it’s an adjective now).

Swizzle.7982:

lordkrall.7241:

Oh, I agree, but people seems to imply that we have gotten no information whatsoever for months.

The problem is a lot of this information concerns something only small numbers of people really care about. Guild halls? Nice for guild leaders and some of the larger guilds maybe. Tournaments and beta dates? Well, I know I don’t care about those. The other information, I don’t even remember that… So yeah, we might be getting information, but it’s nothing exciting or memorable. And if this is the stuff they’re showing us to build hype about their expansion.. well, I think there’s an obvious conclusion there that a lot of people are coming to.

You apparently weren’t watching the reaction of the fans during the reveal, if you think guild halls aren’t massively important in this game. Out of every feature listed, Guild Halls got the strongest response from the audience by far.

In my opinion a minority of people don’t care about them, but if you look around at players playing in high level areas, most people are wearing a guild tag. And the reaction of the audience seems to indicate the guild halls are one of the most popular features of the expansion.

For me, it’s up there with masteries and specializations.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Gambit.8425:

Judging by another thread here on the first page even the white knights have come to a conclusion that Hot will be a thin cash grab bundle of LS leftovers while more content is coming in the “future”.

And yet they defend it like we’re calling their baby ugly. Amazing, huh? In the meantime, most of us are playing something else after we get our dailies done . . . if we bother these days.

There’s a difference between saying let’s wait to see what’s coming before we judge and defending it. People are attacking without seeing information about the content. They’re making assumptions. You might think that’s fair, but I sure don’t.

So in your estimation, what exactly is being defended. The wait and see attitude?

Because I can’t find anything defensible about commenting about the size of the expansion until we have the detail.

lordkrall.7241:

We can’t start disregarding information just because we don’t care about it.
Heck, I am not really all that interested in the Specializations, but I don’t go around claiming we have gotten no information after weeks when they have talked about them.

Um—?

The playerbase is a collection of individuals, so yes, they kind of need to release enough information to keep those individual people interested regardless of their preferences, or they’ll go somewhere else.

Weirwynn.2390:

lordkrall.7241:

We can’t start disregarding information just because we don’t care about it.
Heck, I am not really all that interested in the Specializations, but I don’t go around claiming we have gotten no information after weeks when they have talked about them.

Um—?

The playerbase is a collection of individuals, so yes, they kind of need to release enough information to keep those individual people interested regardless of their preferences, or they’ll go somewhere else.

This is the most flawed logic I’ve seen in a long time. It can be applied to anything. The playerbase is a collection of individuals and some individuals think the game is too hard, so we should make the game easier.

What individuals want doesn’t matter all that much, unless that individual group is so large, it’s some sort of majority. But also, what individuals want needs to be weighed against the overall good of the game.

My guess is the release of information is scheduled very deliberately, to gain maximum exposure in sites that follow MMOs. Every time Anet reveals something that’s news at all, there’s an article on MMORPG.com and Massively and in Ten Ton Hammer, and other sites like that. That’s free publicity, something the company needs/ wants.

If it were up to some of the individuals on these forums, we’d already have patch notes from release day. We’d know everything.

The problem is there are also individuals who don’t want to know everything before the game gets here. The other problem is that knowing more won’t cause the game to come any faster.

So after we know more, people will start saying, okay where’s the game.

Anet needs to schedule release information so that we don’t have nothing for months waiting for the game.

Vayne.8563:

There’s a difference between saying let’s wait to see what’s coming before we judge and defending it. People are attacking without seeing information about the content. They’re making assumptions. You might think that’s fair, but I sure don’t.

So in your estimation, what exactly is being defended. The wait and see attitude?

Because I can’t find anything defensible about commenting about the size of the expansion until we have the detail.

Except this whole thread is about the fact that we’re waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and still waiting, and still there’s nothing shown. So yeah, people are going to start making assumptions based on the evidence of nothing being revealed.

The “wait and see attitude” has no defence, because we’ve all been waiting and yet we’ve seen very little.

Vayne.8563:

What individuals want doesn’t matter all that much, unless that individual group is so large, it’s some sort of majority. But also, what individuals want needs to be weighed against the overall good of the game.

That’s flawed logic. This is an MMO, it’s built around player interactions and things which influence one person can extend to influence more. For example, I’m in a guild. One person leaves the guild because there’s no SAB coming any time soon. Another few people leave because there’s just not a lot for them to do at the moment. A few more check in for dalies and read the GW2 reddit for news, but that’s about it and with no news coming they begin to drop off too. Another guildmate quits because they enjoy dungeons but they don’t think anything will be happening with those any time soon. Suddenly there’s no one in the guild.

But that’s ok right? None of those people were in the majority, so it’s fine to ignore them.

Anet are doing so well catering to the majority that apparently hate news and don’t want to be excited about the expansion at all.

Swizzle.7982:

Vayne.8563:

There’s a difference between saying let’s wait to see what’s coming before we judge and defending it. People are attacking without seeing information about the content. They’re making assumptions. You might think that’s fair, but I sure don’t.

So in your estimation, what exactly is being defended. The wait and see attitude?

Because I can’t find anything defensible about commenting about the size of the expansion until we have the detail.

Except this whole thread is about the fact that we’re waiting, and waiting, and waiting, and still waiting, and still there’s nothing shown. So yeah, people are going to start making assumptions based on the evidence of nothing being revealed.

The “wait and see attitude” has no defence, because we’ve all been waiting and yet we’ve seen very little.

Vayne.8563:

What individuals want doesn’t matter all that much, unless that individual group is so large, it’s some sort of majority. But also, what individuals want needs to be weighed against the overall good of the game.

That’s flawed logic. This is an MMO, it’s built around player interactions and things which influence one person can extend to influence more. For example, I’m in a guild. One person leaves the guild because there’s no SAB coming any time soon. Another few people leave because there’s just not a lot for them to do at the moment. A few more check in for dalies and read the GW2 reddit for news, but that’s about it and with no news coming they begin to drop off too. Another guildmate quits because they enjoy dungeons but they don’t think anything will be happening with those any time soon. Suddenly there’s no one in the guild.

But that’s ok right? None of those people were in the majority, so it’s fine to ignore them.

Anet are doing so well catering to the majority that apparently hate news and don’t want to be excited about the expansion at all.

There are always going to be a percentage of individuals that complain about everything. I’m sure there is 10% of this userbase that literally hangs around waiting for any information at all about HoT. And yes, I’m pulling that number out of my kitten.

I’m sure there’s a much larger portion of the user base who plays other games or has other hobbies, and doesn’t just hang around waiting for Anet to announce something. NO schedule of information would be suitable for people who do that. None at all. Nothing will ever make those people happy.

I’ve run businesses. A percentage of individuals are never happy and they think everyone is like them. They’re wrong. Everyone isn’t.

I’ve made changes to my business that have annoyed individuals before and they have often said that it would be the end of my business. And they were wrong. The sky isn’t falling here.

The expansion will come when it comes. People will walk away from the game and many, probably most will come back. They’ll take a break and do other things. There is more in the world than just Guild Wars 2.

I’m playing less while waiting for the expansion but I don’t see this as some sort of dire consequence. It just gives me a chance to catch up on other things.

In every MMO I’ve ever played, guild membership slumps in the months before an expansion comes out. This is normal for MMOs. I’m not sure why you think that announcing everything or stuff faster is going to make the game come out faster anyway. If they announce everything now and there are months till the game comes out, you’ll be complaining the game isn’t out.

Right now you’re only complaining about not hearing about it. Working as intended.

Vayne.8563:

White knighting

That’s strange, because in every guild I’ve been in in gw2 once numbers drop off they don’t recover. I don’t know what kind of business you’ve run where kittening off your customers was beneficial but I do know that once my friends leave gw2 I won’t have much of incentive to come back either.

People are asking to be excited. You do understand that right? People are asking to know about something they want to be excited for. Things are pretty kittening bad when people are getting so kittened off at the lack of news that That_Shaman decides to show us new engineer drones. This shouldn’t be happening, Anet should be saying “HERE, LOOK AT ALL THIS SHINY NEW STUFF, we want to tell you about it, and you want to know about it!”

I realise any kind of debate with you is entirely pointless but I think most people understand the issue.

Swizzle.7982:

Vayne.8563:

White knighting

That’s strange, because in every guild I’ve been in in gw2 once numbers drop off they don’t recover. I don’t know what kind of business you’ve run where kittening off your customers was beneficial but I do know that once my friends leave gw2 I won’t have much of incentive to come back either.

People are asking to be excited. You do understand that right? People are asking to know about something they want to be excited for. Things are pretty kittening bad when people are getting so kittened off at the lack of news that That_Shaman decides to show us new engineer drones. This shouldn’t be happening, Anet should be saying “HERE, LOOK AT ALL THIS SHINY NEW STUFF, we want to tell you about it, and you want to know about it!”

I realise any kind of debate with you is entirely pointless but I think most people understand the issue.

Most people don’t ’understand the issue. About 15% of the player base posts on forums and many of us have other things in our lives besides just Guild Wars 2. We have other hobbies, or jobs, or families, or whatever.

But even just basic logic makes your position look precarious.

There is a limited amount of information that can be released, That’s a fact. There are still AT LEAST a couple of months till the game is released.

If information was provided at a faster pace, what would you be doing in the months with nothing LEFT to release?

Information is being provided so that there’s a slow flow of it intentionally. What makes you think if everything was known right now, people STILL wouldn’t take a break from the game. Knowing stuff about the expansion does not necessarily equal people playing the game now in the first place.

And more to the point, you can say that no guild has ever recovered, but then we’ve never had an expansion before, So you can’t even say that without must making it up.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Vayne.8563:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Gambit.8425:

Judging by another thread here on the first page even the white knights have come to a conclusion that Hot will be a thin cash grab bundle of LS leftovers while more content is coming in the “future”.

And yet they defend it like we’re calling their baby ugly. Amazing, huh? In the meantime, most of us are playing something else after we get our dailies done . . . if we bother these days.

There’s a difference between saying let’s wait to see what’s coming before we judge and defending it. People are attacking without seeing information about the content. They’re making assumptions. You might think that’s fair, but I sure don’t.

So in your estimation, what exactly is being defended. The wait and see attitude?

Because I can’t find anything defensible about commenting about the size of the expansion until we have the detail.

I like to note, for the record, I never said any names nor pointed anyone out. And that’s all I say in response to this user. Now please excuse me while I play a game that actually tells players what’s coming in the future . . . in detail.

I never claimed you did say any names. Nor did I claim you pointed anyone out. But you’re still making assumptions without knowledge, regardless.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Vayne.8563:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Gambit.8425:

Judging by another thread here on the first page even the white knights have come to a conclusion that Hot will be a thin cash grab bundle of LS leftovers while more content is coming in the “future”.

And yet they defend it like we’re calling their baby ugly. Amazing, huh? In the meantime, most of us are playing something else after we get our dailies done . . . if we bother these days.

There’s a difference between saying let’s wait to see what’s coming before we judge and defending it. People are attacking without seeing information about the content. They’re making assumptions. You might think that’s fair, but I sure don’t.

So in your estimation, what exactly is being defended. The wait and see attitude?

Because I can’t find anything defensible about commenting about the size of the expansion until we have the detail.

I like to note, for the record, I never said any names nor pointed anyone out. And that’s all I say in response to this user. Now please excuse me while I play a game that actually tells players what’s coming in the future . . . in detail.

Swizzle.7982:

I realise any kind of debate with you is entirely pointless but I think most people understand the issue.

To be fair, most of the forum community has come to the same conclusion. Welcome aboard, brother. It took you a while.

And since you are avoiding personal attacks…oh wait. First of all you don’t get to speak for most of the forum community and saying what they do or don’t do is wrong.

But you are also completely disingenuous, claiming you’re not personally attacking me and then making a post to specifically malign me, claiming that some sort of majority of the community ignores my posts. Some would call this bullying. You have no moral high ground here, this is just completely wrong.

Trying to discredit me in this personal manner only makes you look like you have no valid arguments.

Ardenwolfe.8590:

I stand by what I said because I agree wholeheartedly with Swizzle given your responses on this thread and others as proof. But, by all means, turn this thread into another you versus the community.

Again, most of us actually understand the issue this thread and Swizzle’s response entrails. And despite what you might think, the thread is not about you.

Please get thicker skin.

I don’t need a thicker skin. You need to follow forum rules. Singling out posters because you don’t agree with them, off topic as this post is, is against forum rules. If you have a problem with my posts, please refer them to moderation. But you’re not a moderator.

I asked very valid questions about this topic which have been ignored.

If all the information is given up front, what are the people asking for the information going to say, while waiting for the game? Will they be happy to just wait, quietly for the game to launch. I suspect not.

More to the point where is the evidence that people won’t take a break or leave the game waiting whether that information is provided on your schedule or not?

These are valid questions. I suspect you don’t have valid answers to them, and therefore you must resort to personal attack.

Tell me, in this other game that gives people all the information up front, do they never have ebbs and tides in their playerbase? Does the number of active players not decline before an expansion comes out?

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Now please excuse me while I play a game that actually tells players what’s coming in the future . . . in detail.

Especially once they start pre-orders at least.

And the thing is it’s not as if people will come back to gw2 just because it’s there. There are so many other games out and coming out soon, that a game people have already tried, and played, and left has to be even more enticing than everything else out there. I think it’d be far easier to just keep people interested and invested, even if it’s just checking in every week to read something new about the expansion, than losing people and trying to get them back later.

Vayne.8563:

This is the most flawed logic I’ve seen in a long time. It can be applied to anything. The playerbase is a collection of individuals and some individuals think the game is too hard, so we should make the game easier.

Vayne, Vayne. That kind of empty hyperbole is below you.

Releasing information is not a matter of “if I do this I will please a group and annoy the other”, unlike what making the game harder or easier would be. In fact, releasing information instead of not saying anything – like ArenaNet is doing right now – is simply better for everyone in the community.

And of course Weirwynn’s point is correct. The community is a collection of individuals, so ArenaNet has to release information about different aspects of the game in order to keep players with different interests hyped about HoT.

Or are you saying that ArenaNet should only talk about PvP, and ignore the PvE players? Because that’s pretty much what your point boils down to – that it would be ok for ArenaNet to focus exclusively on one aspect of the player community, and ignore all the others.

Test.8734:

Vayne.8563:

This is the most flawed logic I’ve seen in a long time. It can be applied to anything. The playerbase is a collection of individuals and some individuals think the game is too hard, so we should make the game easier.

Vayne, Vayne. That kind of empty hyperbole is below you.

Releasing information is not a matter of “if I do this I will please a group and annoy the other”, unlike what making the game harder or easier would be. In fact, releasing information instead of not saying anything – like ArenaNet is doing right now – is simply better for everyone in the community.

And of course Weirwynn’s point is correct. The community is a collection of individuals, so ArenaNet has to release information about different aspects of the game in order to keep players with different interests hyped about HoT.

Or are you saying that ArenaNet should only talk about PvP, and ignore the PvE players? Because that’s pretty much what your point boils down to – that it would be ok for ArenaNet to focus exclusively on one aspect of the player community, and ignore all the others.

I’m saying that he’s saying that individual points of view are more important than majority point of view. But he’s ignored my other questions.

What evidence is there that if all the information was given right now, at this second, that there wouldn’t be less people playing the game during this time of less content coming out?

What will people think and how will they react when all the information is given and we still have to wait months for the game?

And of course the big question.

What percentage of the playerbase is actually hanging on every word Anet says about this. How many hundreds of thousands of people will just play the game when it comes out, without sitting there waiting with baited breath at every single word Anet says?

Swizzle.7982:

Ardenwolfe.8590:

Now please excuse me while I play a game that actually tells players what’s coming in the future . . . in detail.

Especially once they start pre-orders at least.

And the thing is it’s not as if people will come back to gw2 just because it’s there. There are so many other games out and coming out soon, that a game people have already tried, and played, and left has to be even more enticing than everything else out there. I think it’d be far easier to just keep people interested and invested, even if it’s just checking in every week to read something new about the expansion, than losing people and trying to get them back later.

You’d think ANet would realize that. Maybe they do. Who knows? Either way, it’s pretty obvious they’re bleeding players left and right. Sad situation, since I really like this game, but the lack of information is just sad.

I hope that’s not telling about the level of content coming, but I get the feeling it is.

Guess we’ll see.