Guild Wars 2

Vicariuz.1605:

It is infact a Straw man, I can’t purchase GW2:HoT with gold. I never said anything about any one’s time being more valuable.

Yeah, I still don’t think you know what a straw man argument is or don’t understand the context of your own arguments. The argument is about a perceived owned character slot and how one can obtain one with no cash investment, not about obtaining HoT with gold. As for the value of time, you mentioned time grinding having more value than $10 and I’d say it just depends. Don’t get hung up on me saying “your time isn’t any more valuable” and understand that the underlying point is, you can obtain game perks for free if you want to. A character slot hasn’t suddenly become more valuable or more scare so why can you not obtain one now? The answer is, you can. It’s just your decision to get hung up on not being given something you want just because you’ve jumped to the conclusion that you are owned one.

Regarding your statement about not holding characters for PvP, you couldn’t be farther from the truth, after over 10k matches I’ve learned, it’s VERY important to be able to switch to a different class in the time before the match starts to better suit your comp. I’d argue it’s even more important to have multiple builds held on multiples of the same class because there is no template in this game to save and quickly switch builds, but all of that is besides the point. I’m not looking for sympathy, I’m voicing why I have an issue with pricing of the of expansion and the content those prices provide. Just because you don’t have this same issue doesn’t mean that I should just take the loss.

So you have multiple copies of the same profession? Do you have multiples of various professions? Why not protest for Quality of Life improvements so you don’t need multiples of a given profession just to have quick access to different builds? That sounds like an endeavor anybody can get behind and would free up many character slots for you!

Evans.6347:

No, and I shouldn’t have to. The way you are describing the game experience, you’re turning it into a job.

Getting HoT should first and foremost be fun. I should not have to prepare in order to enjoy one of the main focus points of the game. Adding a character slot was a minor thing to do, which would have spared a lot of anger. It’s also something which doesn’t hurt anyone.

A good natured notion but ultimately falls on weak context.

So yay! Getting HoT should be fun and not work! I should be able to just pop it into any system and enjoy it to it’s fullest! No, just because it is a game for fun doesn’t simply mean there shouldn’t be any thought on the user’s end. You need to make sure your system can handle the game, there’s enough hard drive space for it, your internet connection is stable enough, that your control scheme and hardware is comfortable for you, etc. etc. None of that is “work” per-se but it will make the act of playing the game a much better experience whereas if you don’t take these things into consideration, you can ultimately end up with a huge frustrating mess ending with you requesting for a refund, or worse, a visit to the doctor to get your bad wrist or back kink looked at.

But none of those mentioned things are even close to the simplicity of prep you could/should do to simply upgrade your account. If you saw the new profession and liked it, preparing for it IS fun just like preparing any other character you play for whatever content you’re playing as. If it’s not fun for you, then of course don’t do it. But then are you going to then put blame on someone else just because you made that choice?

Leo G.4501:

Vicariuz.1605:

It is infact a Straw man, I can’t purchase GW2:HoT with gold. I never said anything about any one’s time being more valuable.

Yeah, I still don’t think you know what a straw man argument is or don’t understand the context of your own arguments. The argument is about a perceived owned character slot and how one can obtain one with no cash investment, not about obtaining HoT with gold. As for the value of time, you mentioned time grinding having more value than $10 and I’d say it just depends. Don’t get hung up on me saying “your time isn’t any more valuable” and understand that the underlying point is, you can obtain game perks for free if you want to. A character slot hasn’t suddenly become more valuable or more scare so why can you not obtain one now? The answer is, you can. It’s just your decision to get hung up on not being given something you want just because you’ve jumped to the conclusion that you are owned one.

My argument is that I will be paying more for the same content as a new player, you’re argument is that I could/should farm a character slot. If I was able to farm to purchase ALL of the same content a new player has access to, then you might have a point. I’m not interested in investing extra time and/or money for the same product. I’m not arguing to get a free character slot, I’m arguing that I am at a disadvantage monetarily to experience the same content a new player will. That is why your argument, not mine, is a straw man.

I’d even accept a temporary character slot (for the $50 product), that way I could play the new profession, and if I enjoyed it, pay for a new character slot. Having no choice but to purchase a character slot, or buy the more expensive version of the product, to play the same content is wrong and completely unavoidable for people who are also in the same situation.

As for the PvP build/character thing, it has been addressed more than it should have already, with no input from Arenanet at all, for a very long period of time.

You are missing the argument, and assuming what I want.

Vicariuz.1605:

My argument is that I will be paying more for the same content as a new player, you’re argument is that I could/should farm a character slot. If I was able to farm to purchase ALL of the same content a new player has access to, then you might have a point. I’m not interested in investing extra time and/or money for the same product. I’m not arguing to get a free character slot, I’m arguing that I am at a disadvantage monetarily to experience the same content a new player will. That is why your argument, not mine, is a straw man.

I’m just going to come right out and tell you, that isn’t a straw man argument. You can keep saying it if you want but it’s meaningless in the context you’re using it. It’s not like you saying I’m using such an argument is somehow giving your point greater strength or something. It’s basically irrelevant.

And I fully understand your perspective, just know that you’re getting hung up, not on the price of the expansion/the net worth of its content, but getting angry that a new player with no in-game value (no inventory expansion, no wardrobe, no gold, no gems, no crafting levels, nothing) is getting character slots that you aren’t getting.

You’re taking a stance of greed (not having something someone else has) while turning a notion of kindness (giving a bonus to a newbie) into a crock of frustration. I can totally see where you’re coming from but is just selfish and greedy and I simply am indifferent about your perspective. I buy cheap accounts and give them away just to play and chat with people, so I don’t really care newbies get some character slots that I already got with the base game. So if someone like me is indifferent about you not getting the same character slots as newbies, do you really think Anet is going to somehow gush with sympathy and change their minds?

I’d honestly just stick with arguing the new worth of the content being released. IMO, it’s too steep.

Vicariuz.1605:

I’d even accept a temporary character slot (for the $50 product), that way I could play the new profession, and if I enjoyed it, pay for a new character slot. Having no choice but to purchase a character slot, or buy the more expensive version of the product, to play the same content is wrong and completely unavoidable for people who are also in the same situation.

PS: And this is the initial point of my post in this thread. YOU HAVE OPTIONS! You just choose not to use them for your own reasons! And then you blame others for your decisions! That’s irresponsible. Character slots are, essentially, free if paying money is that much of an issue for you. I brought that up to help you. If you don’t want the help (and you still have time to resolve your issue!) then at the very least make that fact known when you mention the strife you suffer.

Leo G.4501:

Vicariuz.1605:

My argument is that I will be paying more for the same content as a new player, you’re argument is that I could/should farm a character slot. If I was able to farm to purchase ALL of the same content a new player has access to, then you might have a point. I’m not interested in investing extra time and/or money for the same product. I’m not arguing to get a free character slot, I’m arguing that I am at a disadvantage monetarily to experience the same content a new player will. That is why your argument, not mine, is a straw man.

I’m just going to come right out and tell you, that isn’t a straw man argument. You can keep saying it if you want but it’s meaningless in the context you’re using it. It’s not like you saying I’m using such an argument is somehow giving your point greater strength or something. It’s basically irrelevant.

And I fully understand your perspective, just know that you’re getting hung up, not on the price of the expansion/the net worth of its content, but getting angry that a new player with no in-game value (no inventory expansion, no wardrobe, no gold, no gems, no crafting levels, nothing) is getting character slots that you aren’t getting.

You’re taking a stance of greed (not having something someone else has) while turning a notion of kindness (giving a bonus to a newbie) into a crock of frustration. I can totally see where you’re coming from but is just selfish and greedy and I simply am indifferent about your perspective. I buy cheap accounts and give them away just to play and chat with people, so I don’t really care newbies get some character slots that I already got with the base game. So if someone like me is indifferent about you not getting the same character slots as newbies, do you really think Anet is going to somehow gush with sympathy and change their minds?

I’d honestly just stick with arguing the new worth of the content being released. IMO, it’s too steep.

Wrong, new accounts aren’t getting slots old accounts don’t have, so there’s no reason for me to care about the number of slots, what I care about, that you seem incapable of understanding, is that to play the Revenant (a prominent component of the expansion), I have to spend more money than a new account, or delete something I have already invested in. Why you are unable to grasp this is beyond me. I don’t care what you do with your money, you could buy 12,000 accounts at discount price and SELL them for double and it literally would not matter to me.

Leo G.4501:

A good natured notion but ultimately falls on weak context.

So yay! Getting HoT should be fun and not work! I should be able to just pop it into any system and enjoy it to it’s fullest! No, just because it is a game for fun doesn’t simply mean there shouldn’t be any thought on the user’s end. You need to make sure your system can handle the game, there’s enough hard drive space for it, your internet connection is stable enough, that your control scheme and hardware is comfortable for you, etc. etc. None of that is “work” per-se but it will make the act of playing the game a much better experience whereas if you don’t take these things into consideration, you can ultimately end up with a huge frustrating mess ending with you requesting for a refund, or worse, a visit to the doctor to get your bad wrist or back kink looked at.

But none of those mentioned things are even close to the simplicity of prep you could/should do to simply upgrade your account. If you saw the new profession and liked it, preparing for it IS fun just like preparing any other character you play for whatever content you’re playing as. If it’s not fun for you, then of course don’t do it. But then are you going to then put blame on someone else just because you made that choice?

Just as weak as yours, to be honest. At the core it’s how you look at things. Where I want to put good costumer care as the norm, you cling to the cold harshness of life. I believe a kindness never hurt anyone, while you advocate depending on no one but yourself.

At the end of the day one point still stands: adding a single character slot to the core package hurts nothing other than Anets greedy wallet (and even that’s questionable) and would have been a logical kindness to all players.

Leo G.4501:

A good natured notion but ultimately falls on weak context.

So yay! Getting HoT should be fun and not work! I should be able to just pop it into any system and enjoy it to it’s fullest! No, just because it is a game for fun doesn’t simply mean there shouldn’t be any thought on the user’s end. You need to make sure your system can handle the game, there’s enough hard drive space for it, your internet connection is stable enough, that your control scheme and hardware is comfortable for you, etc. etc. None of that is “work” per-se but it will make the act of playing the game a much better experience whereas if you don’t take these things into consideration, you can ultimately end up with a huge frustrating mess ending with you requesting for a refund, or worse, a visit to the doctor to get your bad wrist or back kink looked at.

But none of those mentioned things are even close to the simplicity of prep you could/should do to simply upgrade your account. If you saw the new profession and liked it, preparing for it IS fun just like preparing any other character you play for whatever content you’re playing as. If it’s not fun for you, then of course don’t do it. But then are you going to then put blame on someone else just because you made that choice?

Just as weak as yours, to be honest. At the core it’s how you look at things. Where I want to put good costumer care as the norm, you cling to the cold harshness of life. I believe a kindness never hurt anyone, while you advocate depending on no one but yourself.

At the end of the day one point still stands: adding a single character slot to the core package hurts nothing other than Anets greedy wallet (and even that’s questionable) and would have been a logical kindness to all players.

Vicariuz.1605:

Wrong, new accounts aren’t getting slots old accounts don’t have, so there’s no reason for me to care about the number of slots, what I care about, that you seem incapable of understanding, is that to play the Revenant (a prominent component of the expansion), I have to spend more money than a new account, or delete something I have already invested in. Why you are unable to grasp this is beyond me.

I grasp your point well. What you’re not quite catching is that those aren’t your only two options. Those are simply the only ones you’ve bothered to consider.

Evans.6347:

Just as weak as yours, to be honest. At the core it’s how you look at things. Where I want to put good costumer care as the norm, you cling to the cold harshness of life. I believe a kindness never hurt anyone, while you advocate depending on no one but yourself.

At the end of the day one point still stands: adding a single character slot to the core package hurts nothing other than Anets greedy wallet (and even that’s questionable) and would have been a logical kindness to all players.

So now kindness is fun? First you were talking about how buying the game and making your characters is suppose to be fun and then go on a tangent about kindness. The two aren’t related.

And I’m not advocating relying only on yourself, I’m advocating not digging yourself into an emotional hole to make yourself look bad to try to appeal for more ‘kindness’. It’s like a beggar asking for change on the corner just to go back to his office in the high rise building and continue to play solitare while getting paid 20x more than the people he was begging from on his lunch break. It’s just wrong. You want to play Revenant when HoT releases but don’t have the character slots to make one? You still have time to squeeze a character slot from the gem store with time to spare for 0 cost.

And if Anet decides to put character slots on sale the week leading up to the expansion release? You won’t care, because it’s not just being handed to you? There’s an old saying, God helps those who help themselves…

If they simply added an extra slot to each package (for a limited time, naturally) almost everyone would open their wallets. I would immediately purchase the Ultimate Edition (with 2 slots). Others would buy the Basic, with 1 slot. This would be the easiest, fastest, smartest, and ultimately the most profitable move A-Net could make.

As it is, I’ll be waiting… and annoyed that they chose to release a new profession w/o recognizing the obvious logic of providing a slot to play it with. I’m one of those ‘whales’ who has spent several hundred dollars on gems. It’s not the money for me, it’s the principle. I have friends who play that cannot afford the extra $10 for a slot, and don’t want to delete a character to try the Revenant.

This is a basic Marketing 101 final exam failure.

Spartacus.9743:

This is the real problem that most of ppl are trying to understand…
I’m gonna buy HoT, wich includes with other new contents a brand new class, and if i don’t sacrifice a char/ buy a slot with gems (other 10 bucks)/ spend in game money for new character slot, i can’t play the new class I’ve paid for…

What’s the logic in all this?
I mean, I have 8 char slot, 1 for each class, and they are part of the core game (5 slot base + 3 char slot bought), why do I have to buy an xpac that doesn’t give me the chance to play this new char without spending other resources?
I don’t have troubles buying in game a new slot, and i don’t have troubles on buy this expansion (wich i will buy surely), my/our greatest concern is why I/we have to spend other resources for playing what I/we’ve bought, that’s all

Most casual players haven’t even used the four character slots given by the base game.
Really.
Not everyone, or most, are altaholics.

Not everyone (me included) wants to create a revenant.
People like my wife will delete an underplayed character to create a revenant.

ANet should give veterans 800 or 1600 gems (with any edition) as a “thank you” for veterans, letting us decide what we want. Everyone is different.

The sheer number of strawmen in this thread could keep 1,000 acres free of crows for a lifetime.

Not to mention the false equivalence.

Spartacus.9743:

This is the real problem that most of ppl are trying to understand…
I’m gonna buy HoT

Let me stop you right there. I assure you that’s where Anet stopped.
They got’chya. They won. They don’t care beyond that point. All else is irrelevant. You aren’t a valued customer. You are a pip on their meta data chart.

As long as others are like this, these things by Anet will be the status quo.

Sytherek.7689:

Most casual players haven’t even used the four character slots given by the base game.
Really.
Not everyone, or most, are altaholics.

Not everyone (me included) wants to create a revenant.
People like my wife will delete an underplayed character to create a revenant.

ANet should give veterans 800 or 1600 gems (with any edition) as a “thank you” for veterans, letting us decide what we want. Everyone is different.

Agreed. It would be better to include an 800-gem bonus so that players could pick up the slot, if needed, or something else they’d rather have. This would certainly solve the marketing fiasco at no real cost to A-Net. They’d retain a lot more of their current customers, that’s for sure.

I don’t have a problem with this, I don’t know where people got the idea Revenant would be free, most MMO’s that release a new class bundle it with an expansion that you must buy if you want to play new said class, why should GW2 be any different?

Daddar.5971:

Sytherek.7689:

Most casual players haven’t even used the four character slots given by the base game.
Really.
Not everyone, or most, are altaholics.

Not everyone (me included) wants to create a revenant.
People like my wife will delete an underplayed character to create a revenant.

ANet should give veterans 800 or 1600 gems (with any edition) as a “thank you” for veterans, letting us decide what we want. Everyone is different.

Agreed. It would be better to include an 800-gem bonus so that players could pick up the slot, if needed, or something else they’d rather have. This would certainly solve the marketing fiasco at no real cost to A-Net. They’d retain a lot more of their current customers, that’s for sure.

I’d be very happy with something like this that’s all A-net needs to do and I’ll be happy again, but as it stands I’m not happy and I sure as kitten am not pre-ordering

thewaterguy.4796:

I don’t have a problem with this, I don’t know where people got the idea Revenant would be free, most MMO’s that release a new class bundle it with an expansion that you must buy if you want to play new said class, why should GW2 be any different?

And practically every MMO or non MMO game that packs a new class/race in an expansion pack gives away char slots so that maxed out players can use it without feeling forced into buying an extra. Forcing people into buying an extra breeds negativity.

Tera will even add a new class in a free game update, and they say they’ll give a free char slot to everyone at that time too! Look at that, they can afford to give a free char slot to everyone that paid the $0 cost of their free expansion pack somehow.

DevilLordLaser.8619:

GW2 released with five character slots and eight professions.

Your own opening post says you paid for three additional slots, presumably without a care or a million-thread forum kerfuffle.

A slot costs ten bucks. Skip a Big Mac combo one day and play your Revenant for years to come. I really don’t see what the giant deal is over the slots thing is. There’s other things to be bothered about. And a million threads in which to be bothered.

False. Base game GW2 released with 4 character slots.

Leo G.4501:

Character slots are, essentially, free if paying money is that much of an issue for you.

If character slots are essentially free, then…really, would it have killed ANet to have provided one for an expansion pack that people are paying fifty dollars for?

I get where you’re coming from, and since everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I recognize that yours is as valid as mine. That said, though, the decision to set the lowest possible price point for HoT at fifty dollars and not throw in a character slot for veterans while simultaneously throwing in the entire core game for new players makes ANet look as though they take their current customer base for granted.

It certainly affects my opinion of them as a company.

I was open to changes to the pricing scheme and slot issues, I was even open to a temporary slot just so have access to the full expansion upon release in which I would then need to purchase that slot at a later time, I’m actually withdrawing completely from the game at this point, and bid a fare well to those staying for whatever reasons they choose, and to those who are also abandoning the game. I’m just not at a point where I can justify the path of the game/company to myself, and I’m not able to keep faith where it has been proven time and again to be unwarranted, in my opinion.

minbariguy.7504:

Leo G.4501:

Character slots are, essentially, free if paying money is that much of an issue for you.

If character slots are essentially free, then…really, would it have killed ANet to have provided one for an expansion pack that people are paying fifty dollars for?

I get where you’re coming from, and since everyone is entitled to their own opinion, I recognize that yours is as valid as mine. That said, though, the decision to set the lowest possible price point for HoT at fifty dollars and not throw in a character slot for veterans while simultaneously throwing in the entire core game for new players makes ANet look as though they take their current customer base for granted.

It certainly affects my opinion of them as a company.

I’ve never been oppose to the notion of adding a character slot to the $50 package. I wouldn’t object to it nor do I disagree with suggesting it. However, that doesn’t mean we are owed it, that it should be there just because a new profession was introduced. Again, it would simply be a request of good will from Anet, not that this is somehow absolving some sort of injustice.

As a company, I see that the reason they put the extra character slots were they did was to incentivize the purchase of those packages over the basic package. It’s pretty simple. You can buy the base package and make a slot available if you need it or choose to gain extras which include slots. Just like I see no problem with the community requesting they add a character slot to the base package, I also see no problem with the way Anet chose to take either. People bemoaning that they have to pay more for things they want (when Anet has also given you the option to pay 0 for it if you chose) sounds irrationally immature and is the point I’m arguing against.

Again, I don’t like the price point for the content we know will be in the expansion (not worth the value until I learn more) and will wait for the price to go down. What I implore to many of the posters on the forums is to simply do the same and stop crying like someone owes you something when in fact, Anet is already giving you what you want for 0 cost.

Getefix.9150:

then dont pay more, dont get the charcater slot and get the same content?

You would be singing a different tune if the Revenant wasn’t included in any of the packages and cost 1200 gems on the Gem Store.

Want to play Revenant? Buy 1200 gems. Don’t complain about it either. You’ll still get the same content.

They just want you to spend more for the HoT content.

Every expansion with GW1 came with character slots, yet none on this. But again that is just one of the issues.

I agree that there’s a problem that due to the inherent nature of the setup, veteran players with full character slots get less value out of the package. And I think people arguing against this are misunderstanding. It has nothing to do with the number of professions or character slots.

It has to do with the ability to try the revenant at all, and what that will cost you.

A new player has all empty slots. Buying the game thus comes with the ability to try the revenant. Whether they like it or hate it, keep it or delete it, is irrelevant.

A vet player with full slots has a different situation. Buying the game gives them access to the concept of the revenant (it is in the game physically), but they do not get the ability to actually try the revenant without paying extra.

They can “pay” either with money (buying a better version outright, or buying gems then a slot), or they can pay with time (farm up gold to convert, or delete an old character they invested time in previously).

Either way, in order to get the exact same end result—the simple ability to take the new profession for a test drive—the vet player must invest more than the new player. This devalues the content being delivered to the vet player compared to the new player. They’re both paying the same initially, but the vet player is then required to bypass an additional hurdle to access what the new player can do right away.

And then what happens if after bypassing that hurdle, the vet player doesn’t even like the revenant’s playstyle? They had to pay extra (either time or money), only to discover they don’t like something and thus wasted that payment. The new player can discover this same thing for free.

There’s a tangible difference here, and it’s a problem.

Hawkfeather.2071:

It has to do with the ability to try the revenant at all, and what that will cost you.

A new player has all empty slots. Buying the game thus comes with the ability to try the revenant. Whether they like it or hate it, keep it or delete it, is irrelevant.

A vet player with full slots has a different situation. Buying the game gives them access to the concept of the revenant (it is in the game physically), but they do not get the ability to actually try the revenant without paying extra.

I can see where you’re coming from but if you continue that train of thought:

The game comes with 4 empty character slots yet starts out with 8 professions. Does that mean you bought the game to access the concept of all 8 professions and not the ability to try all 8 professions? You have the same amount of free slots as everyone else, just because I enjoyed the 1st 4 professions I rolled and decided to keep them, does that give me some sort of handicap that should be rectified with more slots?

That all being said, I don’t oppose having temporary slots to use but I’d limit it to specific test-only servers so you can try to exploit something in the game with such a feature. I don’t think anyone is opposed to something like that, but the thing is, that isn’t what people are crying about. They don’t want a free slot to try Revenant, they want something for free because they feel others are getting something for free.

Leo G.4501:

The game comes with 4 empty character slots yet starts out with 8 professions. Does that mean you bought the game to access the concept of all 8 professions and not the ability to try all 8 professions? You have the same amount of free slots as everyone else, just because I enjoyed the 1st 4 professions I rolled and decided to keep them, does that give me some sort of handicap that should be rectified with more slots?

This isn’t what I’m talking about though. It’s not about comparing within a single game, it’s about comparing between two different people buying the same game. Yes, the game starts with 4 slots and 8 professions, but that’s what everyone starts with. There’s no conflict there. Everyone has an equal chance to pick and choose from those 8, and to spend as much or as little time testing/deleting/keeping any combination of those 8 in those 4 slots. Maybe one person picks ranger to try and one person picks warrior, but they all have the ability to try any of them. It’s simply personal preference which they actually pick, and irrelevant. Everything is equal at that level in terms of what everyone has the ability to do.

When you bring the revenant in at this point though, new players have an empty slot already available that they can try that class out in. For veteran players with full slots, there is no slot available unless they pay for it with either time or money. So in a sense, yes, there is a handicap there. Because you have no way of knowing if you’re going to prefer the revenant or not until you try it, which you can’t do until you fork over payment of some sort to free up a slot. A new player can try it, mess around for a few levels, and not risk or spend anything significantly extra. A vet player can’t do that. There is now a difference in what these two players, who have spent the exact same amount of money on the exact same game, can and can’t do. That’s the problem.

Do I want them to just hand out a free permanent slot, though? Not necessarily. It’d be great, and I’d totally love if they did, but no, I agree they don’t have to. What they do have to do though, in order to not devalue the game for vets with full slots, is allow us to try the profession. A temporary slot, or as you mentioned perhaps some test server…. anything really that would give you a chance to try it out, is needed.

Disclaimer: I actually already have an empty slot all set up and waiting to be used. So this doesn’t cause me personally any problems at all. But it’s clear there’s a difference in value in what is being offered, and that’s not fair.

I have been busy lately and I haven´t read it all yet so take this lightly.

Have the devs said that there will be no char slot with the standard edition? Because all I have found so far are the descriptions of the packages you can buy. And nowhere it says that there is no slot. What does it say though is that there is ADDITIONAL slot with delux and ultimate editions. So, does standard edition have ONE slot and delulx/ultimate TWO SLOTS ( hence one additional slot) or is there NONE in standard and ONE in delulx/ultimate?

Has anyone ever officialy said which one of the options it is? E3 presentation maybe?

And again, I am not up to date with informations.

Pointy.9308:

I have been busy lately and I haven´t read it all yet so take this lightly.

Have the devs said that there will be no char slot with the standard edition? Because all I have found so far are the descriptions of the packages you can buy. And nowhere it says that there is no slot. What does it say though is that there is ADDITIONAL slot with delux and ultimate editions. So, does standard edition have ONE slot and delulx/ultimate TWO SLOTS ( hence one additional slot) or is there NONE in standard and ONE in delulx/ultimate?

Has anyone ever officialy said which one of the options it is? E3 presentation maybe?

And again, I am not up to date with informations.

The way I read it was the standard doesn’t include a character slot. The deluxe and ultimate versions do. To be honest you may have just nailed one of the problems that many people have. Now the hard part will be to get Anet to include the free slot in the standard version (maybe by saying ops we left this out) and the deluxe and ultimate would get two extra slots. I really think if they did do that a lot of angry players would not be angry anymore.

The standard doesn’t include char slot…
So it’s like for fully enjoy HoT we have to pay 75 bucks, cause what you get with standard edition technically doesn’t allow you to play all the contents they’ll add