Guild Wars 2

Unlike most “premium” MMO’s out there, Guild Wars 2 has never charged a subscription. Guild Wars 2 doesn’t force you to buy ANY non-cosmetic stuff. This is a game that you pay for once and play for absolute free until the day it shuts down.

Servers cost money to run.

Employees have families to feed.

The hamsters running the servers have bedding that needs to be refreshed.

Whereas any other premium MMO pays these fees by charging players a monthly subscription fee, Guild Wars 2 does it by making cool cosmetic items and putting out expansions that most people want to buy! How many of you people complaining about this silly “Game is included in price of expansion” spent hundreds of dollars on a WoW subscription? And then STILL paid the 50 dollars for the expansions at release? People are taking this ridiculousness way too far, saying you’re going to forsake ArenaNet because they’re trying to bring in more players by making the game a stand-alone expansion. They’ve never been shy about the fact that they NEED the expansions in order to make the money to continue paying their people and running the servers that keep the game we love up. I totally expect to get bashed for this post because the whole mob mentality is driving people to pick up their pitchforks and torches and storm the Arenanet keep, but seriously, guys… let’s think about this.

If you played WoW for 4 months, you paid anywhere from 30-50 bucks for the original game, followed by 60 dollars in subscription fees.

If you’ve played GW2 for 3 frickin’ years, you’ve been forced to pay anywhere from 15-60 bucks. That’s it. You all are screaming that ArenaNet is some greedy money-consuming organization that wants to charge you for the base game and “isn’t shy about pushing the ultimate editions”. That’s completely silly. ArenaNet is trying to bring in more players with this model, and they’re offering people who want to spend the extra money to support ArenaNet little bonuses in the expansion pack choices. Are some of the things frivolous? Sure. But if I’d been playing WoW or any other premium MMO for this long, I’d’ve spent a LOT more than 100 bucks.

I really don’t get it. I don’t get why people are so frustrated. They’re giving us a new class. They’re giving us new freaking profession upgrades (druids, finally)! I’m excited for the expansion, and I couldn’t give a hoot that they’re making it a stand-alone. Guild Wars 1 has always let you play the expansions without the base game, and I’m not exactly sure why people are so up-in-arms and surprised that they decided to do it this time, except with LESS restrictions. Instead of being upset that they’re tossing in the base game with the expansion, be excited at how many new, fresh players it’s going to bring in that might’ve otherwise not joined.

Come on, folks. ArenaNet isn’t CHARGING you for the base game again. They’re tossing it in for free for the people who haven’t bought it. ArenaNet isn’t greedy in the least. They’ve gone out of the way to show that they’re NOT the Benjamin-burnin’ corporation like Blizzard, EA, CCP, etc. Them including the base game with the expansion is only another way of them showing they’re not money-hungry. Every other MMO expansion for premium titles has cost 50 bucks. Some included a lot less than we’re getting.

Let’s all put this behind us and be big boys and girls now and instead of ruining the expansion with alligator tears, pay the 50 bucks that you would’ve paid anyways, ignore the fact that you get a useless copy of the original, and continue having a fun time without a subscription like you have been for 3 years.

My problem isn’t that ANet is greedy (imo they’re not). It’s that right now it feels that it’s a bad thing that I’ve played the game.

If I hadn’t bought GW2, I would get HoT with the core game for free (I’m not discussing if the core game price is included inside the package).

But right now I’ll only get HoT for the same price. And that’s without a character slot to play the new Renavant. Where a new player could chose to play a Renavant without removing a existing character.

It’s not that ANet is greedy, it just seems unfair for players who already have bought the core game.

Well, even most f2p offer the same kind of service that HoT refuses to include in a 50$ expansion (extra character slot).

You might want to make a baseline comparison here… what do other MMO offer in their expansions, is such an expansion free or not, etc. Payment model REALLY doesn’t have anything to do with it… all MMO make money after the initial box sale (if boxes are even sold), whether it is through item stores or by means of subscriptions. And most veterans will admit spending LOTS more money on gems than they would have on subs. Playing for free? Hardly.

In my opinion, HoT comes off a bit on the content-lite side for kitten price ticket. And introducing a new character class in an expansion and then NOT offering a free character slot, looks very much like a cynical money grab.

I’m not giving them another penny until they at least release what the expansion will contain. As of now the price is not even remotely acceptable for the amount of info we have been provided.

I’m not going to ignore such a glaring issue as missing out on the equivalent of a new account while paying the same amount as new players. We’re not even getting a character slot with the base version for kitten sake.

Most guild wars 2 players always complain Arenanet give us free content/update for free for 2 years and most of you still come in the forum and complain. now you want them to lower the price of expansion. Remember they are also paying for the bills of our server’s and internet and staff if you don’t like it then you can stop playing nobody will miss you here. go play other free korean games if you like nobody cares. 2 usd per month can save you almost 50 usd for 2 years.

How does the lack of a subscription fee, excuse a scummy business decision?

That’s like saying: All the other companies exploit their players with pay-to-play, so surely you can forgive Anet, who doesn’t do that, when they screw you over in another way?

Lets not forget that GW1 was also free to play, and the expansions for that were separate from the core game, AND included an extra character slot AND were $35.

It’s extremely shady to make the core game supposedly free, and include it with the expansion (not optional), and yet the expansion happens to be the price of a full game. That comes across as a scam to a lot of players. It makes existing players feel like they are paying for the core game twice, along with free DLC and no bonus character slot.

It also feels shady to not include that extra character slot, which is required for a lot of players to play the new profession to begin with. They want us to fork over an extra $25 bucks for that, and some useless fluff item?

It also seems very overpriced for an expansion. Are we getting content the size of a full game? I doubt it, but it is still priced that way. It would help us if they showed us what we are getting, before we preorder.

Nethion.3158:

Bla bla bla…

Short reply for so big defense: no.

WoW has no bearing on this. I’m judging the preorder with the information they’ve made available like you’d do with any product.

As Broom says above, what’s been presented looks very light on content, with the added insult of excluding a character slot so you can’t even enjoy the new class without either deleting a pre-existing character or buying a new slot.

Please note that deleting a character will also mean you lose out on content, since you won’t be able to use the elite spec on that character.

Nethion.3158:

Unlike most “premium” MMO’s out there…

You got the point, Mr. Anet Worker in disguise :-P

jayson.6512:

Most guild wars 2 players always complain Arenanet give us free content/update for free for 2 years and most of you still come in the forum and complain. now you want them to lower the price of expansion. Remember they are also paying for the bills of our server’s and internet and staff if you don’t like it then you can stop playing nobody will miss you here. go play other free korean games if you like nobody cares.

Funny, ‘cos you seem to forget gems and store purchase are a big portion of their benefits already. Or how do you think they pay all this, if they didn’t have the micropayments as current system, uh?

Before talking, think a bit, thanks.

I don’t know guys but i’m fine with 50 usd and if you think i’m rich nah because i don’t earn in usd so i have to convert it in our local currency which is a lot. but like i said 2 years is enough to save for expansion.

a lot of the issues that many people have right now concern things that would have cost nothing, realistically. the addition of a few digital items, the splitting of the core game and expansion codes, replying to the kitten-kitten ed players, all and any of these would have left large numbers of players happy to pay the current price for the expansion.

sometimes it’s not about the money it’s about sending a message being respectful and valuing the players.

Prepurchasing is a thing of trust. I have no trust in Arenanet at the moment. This is because of the price and the sign of goodwill to new players and no sign of goodwill to veterans, no customer loyalty.

Imagine if guild wars 2 would have had a subscription fee, I wonder how many people would have stopped their subscriptions right at the moment when prepurchase started :P

Cambeleg.7632:

jayson.6512:

Most guild wars 2 players always complain Arenanet give us free content/update for free for 2 years and most of you still come in the forum and complain. now you want them to lower the price of expansion. Remember they are also paying for the bills of our server’s and internet and staff if you don’t like it then you can stop playing nobody will miss you here. go play other free korean games if you like nobody cares.

Funny, ‘cos you seem to forget gems and store purchase are a big portion of their benefits already. Or how do you think they pay all this, if they didn’t have the micropayments as current system, uh?

Before talking, think a bit, thanks.

dude that’s only 2 usd per month if you save that money for 2 years.

jayson.6512:

I don’t know guys but i’m fine with 50 usd and if you think i’m rich nah because i don’t earn in usd so i have to convert it in our local currency which is a lot. but like i said 2 years is enough to save for expansion.

If you think the problem is that we simply can’t afford it then you’re missing the point entirely.

Adam.4103:

jayson.6512:

I don’t know guys but i’m fine with 50 usd and if you think i’m rich nah because i don’t earn in usd so i have to convert it in our local currency which is a lot. but like i said 2 years is enough to save for expansion.

If you think the problem is that we simply can’t afford it then you’re missing the point entirely.

well most of the comments i read is because they already have the core game? which is not a big deal actually at least for me. And the others is not having a free stuff if you already have the core game.

“Dude”, you still miss the point. Try again to read the reasons why people is mad with the pre-purchase and come back later.

But I’ll give you a hint: it’s not the cost prolly said.

jayson.6512:

well most of the comments i read is because they already have the core game? which is not a big deal actually at least for me. And the others is not having a free stuff if you already have the core game.

Part of the problem is, the pricing looks like you are paying for the full game a second time.

You also don’t know what you are getting for your money. This is why pre-purchase is such a dreadful system for consumers, and we should stop encouraging it.

Plus you don’t get an extra character slot, so that’s even more money you need to fork over to play the new profession.

FIRST and most important:

- They falsely advertised the “expansion” making buy the game when it went on sale.
- Expansion is in fact the base game now. All those sales were useless and just generate extra money for Anet with no benefit to the person who bought.
- Their refund policy SO FAR, is deleting those accounts, losing all your progress, and even being unable to relink your GW1 account.

THATS SCAM! IF you can get behind a company that scammed hundreds of players with a false advertising campaign, go for it.

SECOND and not so important.

Even if the base game is free, there’s VALUE in it. And this VALUE is not reflected in the purchase of older players.

Don’t you dare say “you enjoyed 3 years of blah blah blah”. I (and many others) only began playing before the expansion was announced, anything I enjoyed is available for any new player.

If Anet wanted to make something good for new players, giving them extra value on their purchase, why is the same not being done to the people that already owned the game? Why is our money LESS VALUABLE?

THIRD and even less important.

Even if you say the base game is free, all we know for a FACT is that the base game is definatelly worth 50$.
Can we really REALLY be sure that the expansion is offering 50$ worth of content?
Can we REALLY be sure that the expansion isn’t being priced at 50$ just because the base game is included?

Considering how Anet scammed all those people in the first point, I don’t think we can trust the company anymore.

Sure we’re taking it too far. By the way, care to buy this [Banana] for 20$?
Surely being a good boys you all pretend to be, you saved x $ a day and made enough money for it!

This price is totally normal in some places around the world!

Jitsuryoku.9038:

Sure we’re taking it too far. By the way, care to buy this [Banana] for 20$?

Actually, you are just paying for the peel. The [Banana] is simply included for free, and the peel just so happens to have the same price. Honest!

Mad Queen Malafide.7512:

Jitsuryoku.9038:

Sure we’re taking it too far. By the way, care to buy this [Banana] for 20$?

Actually, you are just paying for the peel. The [Banana] is simply included for free, and the peel just so happens to have the same price. Honest!

:0 well since you are saying it is free, I must blindly believe it is and enforce my newly made opinion that the peal costs 20$ on to everyone!

Firstly, thanks to all of you who brought up your responses in an intelligent and debate-like manner instead of those (on both sides of the argument) who basically said “I’M RIGHT AND YOU’RE WRONG”.

I can definitely nod my head and see where you’re coming from when you point out that they’re rewarding new players without offering older players any sort of customer-appreciation kinda thing. Consider myself half-convinced.

For comparison, let’s imagine Borderlands 2, instead of releasing DLC that you bought piecemeal, released Borderland 2: The New Gang, which included the core game, the DLC classes, and the DLC missions, for $60. And that was the only way you could get that content.

Tell me that there would not be calls for blood from everywhere.

So why should we overlook it for this game? Because they did essentially the same thing, but labeled it an “expansion”?

If it is an expansion, where is my option to upgrade from the core product? That distinction is what usually separates an expansion from a re-release.

N+10th time: not about money, about inequity.

Player A (new player) gets more value for same amount of cash, than player B (old player)

If both would get same value (say, separate base key, that old player can use), nobody would really care.

Nethion.3158:

…………….ignore the fact that you get a useless copy of the original………..

You mean new players getting the original on my dime without compensation to me.

That is the issue.

I simply want ANET to know this, I will not purchase HoT for more than $20. I also will not purchase any more gems until the price drops.

I know i’m one person, and this stand won’t change anything, but it’ll make me feel better about the situation. Good luck playing HoT all. Imma continue to play vanilla and enjoy having $50 in my pocket.

Logic applied to expressed issues:

• The free core game with HoT was not announced until now. I would not have bought an account recently if I’d known. legitimate beef; hard to find a perfect fix; offer a refund? I believe ANet is.
• HoT is not worth the price. legitimate issue, which each consumer has to evaluate for her/himself. No one can make that decision for you.
• We don’t know enough about HoT to make a decision. legitimate issue; we know quite a bit about features, less about content; less still about challenging content.
• HoT adds a profession but basic purchase does not include a character slot. accurate observation; I can see two sides to this one; on one hand, a business has a right to set whatever price points it wants. Adding the slot sweetens the deal for the more expensive versions. The middle option, in particular, offers only the slot as a tangible benefit, with the rest being virtual fluff. On the other hand, adding a free slot to the basic deal would sweeten that pot, and something else could be used to incentivize the more expensive versions. Outside logic, failing to offer a slot while offering a new profession seems like nickel and diming to me, a little chintzy.
• HoT offers the core game to any new account at no additional cost and that’s unfair to existing accounts. seems on the surface to have merit, but only if one accepts that the HoT price would be lower without the free core access. Since ANet has stated this would not be the case, this argument seems more like entitlement than logic when separated from the other issues. When you consider that tying this issue to the other issues is less likely to produce desirable results, holding onto it is unproductive and unwise. ANet has stated they will not budge on the price.

Do not argue with angry internet mobs, this community has gone mad.

IndigoSundown.5419:

• HoT offers the core game to any new account at no additional cost and that’s unfair to existing accounts. seems on the surface to have merit, but only if one accepts that the HoT price would be lower without the free core access. Since ANet has stated this would not be the case, this argument seems more like entitlement than logic when separated from the other issues. When you consider that tying this issue to the other issues is less likely to produce desirable results, holding onto it is unproductive and unwise. ANet has stated they will not budge on the price.

At the risk of repeating myself for the N+11th time, let me try and explain how this has nothing to do with entitlement.

You have a product, sold at 50 bucks.

Player A buys product, gets 2 items out of it: core game (as he does not own it yet) and expansion.
Player B buys product, but only gets one item out of it: expansion (as he already owns the core game)

So for the same amount of money, the same product carries different value for the two players. If player B would also receive a core game key (which he does not), we would likely not see this much outrage. If it would receive some other form of compensation for those who already have base game, we might not have an issue at all.

Point would be to make a product equal value for all your customers, otherwise those on the wrong end of the deal will feel let down and in extreme cases, grab for their pitchforks and torches.

Selling expansion separately and cheaper is just one possible solution to the problem (the most straightforward one), but not the only one out there.

People feel like since the game is now available to prepurchase, that they MUST PURCHASE IT NOW. A-net is just offering that option to those who wish to. If you don’t want to buy it yet — then don’t. That simple. I can understand the argument that the base $50 version should come with 1 character slot. I think that’s reasonable. However, understand that A-net cannot lower the $50 base any furthe: it is not their decision to make.

My only “gripe” is that HoT isn’t coming with a Collector’s Edition. I was really hoping to give Rytlock some company :\

Krisztian.8405:

I simply want ANET to know this, I will not purchase HoT for more than $20. I also will not purchase any more gems until the price drops.

I know i’m one person, and this stand won’t change anything, but it’ll make me feel better about the situation. Good luck playing HoT all. Imma continue to play vanilla and enjoy having $50 in my pocket.

You also should not purchase any single player games ever again since I can guarantee you they provide less hours of entertainment than HoT. Better quit gaming in general.

csebal.5936:

IndigoSundown.5419:

• HoT offers the core game to any new account at no additional cost and that’s unfair to existing accounts. seems on the surface to have merit, but only if one accepts that the HoT price would be lower without the free core access. Since ANet has stated this would not be the case, this argument seems more like entitlement than logic when separated from the other issues. When you consider that tying this issue to the other issues is less likely to produce desirable results, holding onto it is unproductive and unwise. ANet has stated they will not budge on the price.

At the risk of repeating myself for the N+11th time, let me try and explain how this has nothing to do with entitlement.

You have a product, sold at 50 bucks.

Player A buys product, gets 2 items out of it: core game (as he does not own it yet) and expansion.
Player B buys product, but only gets one item out of it: expansion (as he already owns the core game)

So for the same amount of money, the same product carries different value for the two players. If player B would also receive a core game key (which he does not), we would likely not see this much outrage. If it would receive some other form of compensation for those who already have base game, we might not have an issue at all.

Point would be to make a product equal value for all your customers, otherwise those on the wrong end of the deal will feel let down and in extreme cases, grab for their pitchforks and torches.

Selling expansion separately and cheaper is just one possible solution to the problem (the most straightforward one), but not the only one out there.

As a player you should be looking forward to having more people to play with. Not worrying about how much they paid for the game and expansion.

Sales happen. You can buy a refrigerator today and then next week it goes on sale. You don’t get extra compensation because someone else got it cheaper.That’s life.

Look at it this way, would it have gone this far if Anet had opened up and communicated about it ?

Who is really to blame here ?

As for the employees, sure I have empathy for them, but you can’t just say “hey that’s ok because your employee’s have families”. Its no different then if a parent commits a crime (not saying this is a crime) do you just let them get away with it because they have kids at home ?

The Employee’s are victims of the company, not the player’s. The Player’s have not done anything wrong, we have voiced our opinions and concerns. Anet has voiced … nothing.

uhohhotdog.3598:

Sales happen. You can buy a refrigerator today and then next week it goes on sale. You don’t get extra compensation because someone else got it cheaper.That’s life.

This is not a sale. Is it this hard to wrap your head around it?

We both buy the same product, at the same time and pay the same price. But you get a better treatment. This is discrimination, not a sale.

By the way, in your example, you can ask he store for a price adjustment.

Barry Moonfang.6897:

It’s not that ANet is greedy, it just seems unfair for players who already have bought the core game.

Basically the reason I won’t be buying the expansion. It’s expensive as all hell. Seems overpriced, really.. this coming from someone who pre-ordered the physical CE for what.. $150 it was? I can’t remember.

Feels like a rip-off. :/

Here’s another analogy for those who are having trouble understanding.

You have a car at home but it old and you have driven it for years so it is time for a new car. I have just received my licence and never owned a car. We both go to the same dealership and buy the same car for the same price. My car as a new driver is great it has everything I need to drive it. You’re car, not so much, you see they told you because you already have a car at home, the engine is going to be removed from your new car because you have one at home, and no you don’t get a discount.

Sales happen. You can buy a refrigerator today and then next week it goes on sale. You don’t get extra compensation because someone else got it cheaper.That’s life.

This is a bad analogy. The correct analogy would be:

Fridge’s R Us is selling an icemaker for $200, and it comes with a free fridge!

Person A — who has no fridge — comes in and buys it! WOO HOO! A new fridge and icemaker!

Person B — who already has a fridge at home — comes in and buys it, but the sales guy says, “Here’s your $200 icemaker. You already bought a fridge from us a year ago, you don’t get the ‘free’ fridge.”

Does that make any sense to those of you who call us “whiners,” “entitled,” “poor,” or “cheapskates?”

Nethion.3158:

Let’s all put this behind us and be big boys and girls now and instead of ruining the expansion with alligator tears, pay the 50 bucks that you would’ve paid anyways, ignore the fact that you get a useless copy of the original, and continue having a fun time without a subscription like you have been for 3 years.

Ahem, ignore the fact we get a useless copy of the original? Seriously, that’s your argument? Thankfully enough rational-minded players have come out against the pre-purchase blunder that we should be seeing some kind of alteration to the buy options. The fiasco has swelled well beyond these forums and touched every GW2 blogger and follower. I had a friend from WoW who doesn’t even follow GW2 ask me if this debacle is as bad as his guildmates are making it out to be. Sad part is my friend had all the facts straight.

So when the purchase-options are changed to a more favorable wind for players I will be among the first to buy.

csebal.5936:

IndigoSundown.5419:

• HoT offers the core game to any new account at no additional cost and that’s unfair to existing accounts. seems on the surface to have merit, but only if one accepts that the HoT price would be lower without the free core access. Since ANet has stated this would not be the case, this argument seems more like entitlement than logic when separated from the other issues. When you consider that tying this issue to the other issues is less likely to produce desirable results, holding onto it is unproductive and unwise. ANet has stated they will not budge on the price.

At the risk of repeating myself for the N+11th time, let me try and explain how this has nothing to do with entitlement.

You have a product, sold at 50 bucks.

Player A buys product, gets 2 items out of it: core game (as he does not own it yet) and expansion.
Player B buys product, but only gets one item out of it: expansion (as he already owns the core game)

So for the same amount of money, the same product carries different value for the two players. If player B would also receive a core game key (which he does not), we would likely not see this much outrage. If it would receive some other form of compensation for those who already have base game, we might not have an issue at all.

Point would be to make a product equal value for all your customers, otherwise those on the wrong end of the deal will feel let down and in extreme cases, grab for their pitchforks and torches.

Selling expansion separately and cheaper is just one possible solution to the problem (the most straightforward one), but not the only one out there.

And at the risk of repeating myself, veteran players have a second option that new players do not have. They can use the same option as new players. That is, create an account, apply the code and get an undeveloped core account with HoT. A vet can do the same, or apply the code to an existing account and keep her/his progression.

You (and others) want a third or fourth option — that ANet either give you something else or reduce the price. You might get the former, though I doubt it. I don’t think you’ll get the latter until the XPac has been around for a while.

Finally, you seem to believe players are entitled to what you think is a fair deal based on some value you ascribe to a new core account. Thing is, ANet no longer ascribes much if any value to a standalone core account. For one thing, they’re not selling it anymore. Given the facts, I believe that if it were not for potential RMT abuse and potential for laurel farming abuse, they’d make the core game F2P and keep the price of HoT at $50.

I don’t expect the people who’ve already made up their minds to feel hard done-by to accept any of this. However, I’m posting it to provide another view of the issues so that anyone who wants to look at a broader picture, can.

Good luck to you, and I hope that you get what you want from GW2, or can reconcile yourself to what you cannot change.

warbignime.4610:

You also should not purchase any single player games ever again since I can guarantee you they provide less hours of entertainment than HoT.

Meh, that “guarantee” is worth less than a pile of small cats’ dung.

Based on everything ArenaNet has told us, HoT is basically a glorified DLC that other games would have sold for 10$.

Add to that how it appears it will be basically grind over and over (even the process to enter its beta was through grind), and sorry, but no. I can hardly think of a game that would give less hours of entertainment than HoT.

Between that and this, well, it’s not surprising that people right now have a very good idea of what their money is worth.

It blows my mind how some people feel the need to defend a company that since january has been scamming people into buying a product they wouldn’t need.

Forget the fact that they consider our money, the existing player base, to hold less value than that of other consumers.

They scammed people. They falsely advertised the game.

And the only thing they are doing is offering a refund? For people that so happen to come to the forums and read a distant note? For people that actually take the time to go through automated emails until they can reach an actual person?

Again, it blows my mind that people would defend such practices.

Wolfeng.3784:

It blows my mind how some people feel the need to defend a company that since january has been scamming people into buying a product they wouldn’t need.

Forget the fact that they consider our money, the existing player base, to hold less value than that of other consumers.

They scammed people. They falsely advertised the game.

And the only thing they are doing is offering a refund? For people that so happen to come to the forums and read a distant note? For people that actually take the time to go through automated emails until they can reach an actual person?

Again, it blows my mind that people would defend such practices.

And since this company is so scumy, why not quit playing this game. And since you quit, can I have your stuff? Just send all gold and t5 mats to the id at the left ,ty.

Test.8734:

warbignime.4610:

You also should not purchase any single player games ever again since I can guarantee you they provide less hours of entertainment than HoT.

Meh, that “guarantee” is worth less than a pile of small cats’ dung.

Based on everything ArenaNet has told us, HoT is basically a glorified DLC that other games would have sold for 10$.

Add to that how it appears it will be basically grind over and over (even the process to enter its beta was through grind), and sorry, but no. I can hardly think of a game that would give less hours of entertainment than HoT.

Between that and this, well, it’s not surprising that people right now have a very good idea of what their money is worth.

So you are saying you will not get 50 hours of entertainment out of HoT, out of a mmorpg? You are raging and saying random stuff, read their blog post and think again.

warbignime.4610:

Wolfeng.3784:

It blows my mind how some people feel the need to defend a company that since january has been scamming people into buying a product they wouldn’t need.

Forget the fact that they consider our money, the existing player base, to hold less value than that of other consumers.

They scammed people. They falsely advertised the game.

And the only thing they are doing is offering a refund? For people that so happen to come to the forums and read a distant note? For people that actually take the time to go through automated emails until they can reach an actual person?

Again, it blows my mind that people would defend such practices.

And since this company is so scumy, why not quit playing this game. And since you quit, can I have your stuff? Just send all gold and t5 mats to the id at the left ,ty.

Are you saying that they didn’t falsely advertised the game? Are you saying it’s ok to trick people into buying something and later changing your mind?

warbignime.4610:

And since this company is so scumy, why not quit playing this game. And since you quit, can I have your stuff? Just send all gold and t5 mats to the id at the left ,ty.

Because I can continue to use the product I already own while not providing any monetary compensation to said company.

If a fridge manufacturer is found guilty of shady activity, will you throw your fridge away?

IndigoSundown.5419:

And at the risk of repeating myself, veteran players have a second option that new players do not have. They can use the same option as new players. That is, create an account, apply the code and get an undeveloped core account with HoT. A vet can do the same, or apply the code to an existing account and keep her/his progression.

I ask you kindly to think this through again, because it makes no sense. You are saying, that the offer has the same value for both players, because just like the new player, the old player could use the code to create a brand new account with the expansion?

So in your opinion, the added value for old players in the deal is the ability to keep their progression, when upgrading the game to HoT, not being forced to start anew?

Again.. I am sure, that would you not be hell bent on defending what cannot with a sensible mindset be defended, you would realize / acknowledge the insanity of such a statement.

Its basic math, even pre-school kids should understand:
1+1 = 2
core game + expansion = two products.
2 > 1
two products is more than just the one expansion those old players would receive.

All the rest of your post is just ignorance of the simple equation above. Let us know if you managed to pull your head out of the sand.

RabbitUp.8294:

uhohhotdog.3598:

Sales happen. You can buy a refrigerator today and then next week it goes on sale. You don’t get extra compensation because someone else got it cheaper.That’s life.

This is not a sale. Is it this hard to wrap your head around it?

We both buy the same product, at the same time and pay the same price. But you get a better treatment. This is discrimination, not a sale.

By the way, in your example, you can ask he store for a price adjustment.

It’s a sale on the original game. Is it hard to wrap your head around it?

And most places aren’t going to give you an adjustment unless it’s immediately after.

uhohhotdog.3598:

It’s a sale on the original game. Is it hard to wrap your head around it?

And most places aren’t going to give you an adjustment unless it’s immediately after.

Let’s entertain that idea, for your sake. Assume it is a sale.

Why is Customer A getting less value for his purchase of “Product on sale A”, than Customer B? It is not that Customer B is buying the product later, after the sale has ended.. they both buy it in exactly the same moment.