Guild Wars 2

So why have we been mislead?

here it shows:

by Karl McLain on January 11, 2016

Example 1:

The necromancer and its reaper elite specialization have been trundling (slow-moving, nefarious) through the battlefield, cleaving foes down in style. During this quarterly update, we’ll be looking at improving a couple of elite specialization traits and working with the baseline shroud to give it a bit more functionality. Leeching Bolts (combo-ing a projectile in a dark field) will now also heal through your shroud form.

to Summaries "working with baseline Shroud and giving it a bit more functionality

Example 2

on the guild wars to Guild chat

Rubi herself states * 16:20:

1: Improve elite traits
2: Working with Base line Shroud to give it more functionality

Karl states:

1: Boon Changes
2: Trait Upkeep
3: Nothing mentioned about Base line Shroud?

All the changes i see from the patch notes have nothing to do with BASE shroud
leeching bolt heals through Shroud but this i not in any way shape or form “base line” based

The changes look fine for Condi-Reaper but nothing has been done to Base Line shroud

So again why did you mislead us ?

i tink he was prob refer to the baseline piercing effect

No one misled you. You are attempting a game of gotcha, game failed. Move on.

The English language is hard -_-

we’ll be looking at improving a couple of elite specialization traits and working with means they are working on something. Not that it’s done. Not that there is something ready to be released on a particular day.

Just a flesh wound.3589:

The English language is hard -_-

we’ll be looking at improving a couple of elite specialization traits and working with means they are working on something. Not that it’s done. Not that there is something ready to be released on a particular day.

It also means they could have decided against doing any of it.

OP, this type of response is EXACTLY the reason why Anet is reluctant to share stuff with us. Instead of saying you don’t feel that you go enough you have to use words like misled as if it was something done deliberately to you.

All this type of post is going to accomplish is for Anet to tell us less in the future. It’s not helpful or constructive.

I thought you could only create a Dark field with a Reaper, once in Shroud. Does a Necromancer have a skill in Shroud that creates a Dark field/Leeching Bolts? If not, then perhaps Karl was referring to the base-line of Reaper Shrouds. Or…that the references to base-line Shroud and Leeching Bolts were two separate balance updates. They were, after all, two different and disparate sentences.

Sorry, I’m not that good with builds.

Same goes for diamond-skin.

In preview they said, “it removes a condi per sec”.

In patch notes, “It removes a condi when struck. 1 sec icd.”

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

I thought you could only create a Dark field with a Reaper, once in Shroud. Does a Necromancer have a skill in Shroud that creates a Dark field/Leeching Bolts? If not, then perhaps Karl was referring to the base-line of Reaper Shrouds. Or…that the references to base-line Shroud and Leeching Bolts were two separate balance updates. They were, after all, two different and disparate sentences.

Sorry, I’m not that good with builds.

GS4 & Drop any non healing well from necro …So 4 Dark Fields.

Can you use GS in Shroud? I thought you could only use Shroud skills….

Vayne.8563:

OP, this type of response is EXACTLY the reason why Anet is reluctant to share stuff with us. Instead of saying you don’t feel that you go enough you have to use words like misled as if it was something done deliberately to you.

All this type of post is going to accomplish is for Anet to tell us less in the future. It’s not helpful or constructive.

They don’t tell us squat here on the official forum anyway, you have to go to an outside forum like Reddit to get any info from the dev’s.

Jaxom.7310:

i tink he was prob refer to the baseline piercing effect

This is it exactly. I think the OP expected some huge change, when really there isn’t much wrong with the baseline Shroud. I rather like the skills and sometimes miss them when using Reaper. Bottom line, this one change does help it quite a bit because it was always annoying you had to take a trait just to make it pierce, now you don’t. This became even more annoying when Reaper Shroud automatically cleaves.

So, it was an obvious change, but a good one nonetheless and as such has fulfilled their statement. No misleading involved at all.

Also, shouldn’t this be in the Necro forum?

I do not think the OP is trying to cause a problem. He simply felt the preview and the patch notes did not match up…and, they didn’t. In some cases they were night and day.

Maybe mislead and strung-along should coincide. A lot of people love the game and I mean love it. They just want things to start going in a better direction due to a lot of let-down since HoT (in every aspect other than pve). Now they eagerly wait, hope for fixes and they never seem to arrive EVEN if they are lead to believe that they are coming ‘SOON’
I can’t remember the username but should give credit to him/her for describing this as:
I am tired of chasing the carrot.

Eldbrand Charging.8902:

Vayne.8563:

OP, this type of response is EXACTLY the reason why Anet is reluctant to share stuff with us. Instead of saying you don’t feel that you go enough you have to use words like misled as if it was something done deliberately to you.

All this type of post is going to accomplish is for Anet to tell us less in the future. It’s not helpful or constructive.

They don’t tell us squat here on the official forum anyway, you have to go to an outside forum like Reddit to get any info from the dev’s.

Or you know, their youtube channel and their home page. Just about everything that’s appeared there gets discussed here and then you can go watch it.

Let me ask you this? Are you saying the changes we’re talking about where not discussed on this forum? Because I saw the discussions.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Can you use GS in Shroud? I thought you could only use Shroud skills….

Use it before you shroud….it’s a field. You kinda place those first then use combo’s after.

Vayne.8563:

Eldbrand Charging.8902:

Vayne.8563:

OP, this type of response is EXACTLY the reason why Anet is reluctant to share stuff with us. Instead of saying you don’t feel that you go enough you have to use words like misled as if it was something done deliberately to you.

All this type of post is going to accomplish is for Anet to tell us less in the future. It’s not helpful or constructive.

They don’t tell us squat here on the official forum anyway, you have to go to an outside forum like Reddit to get any info from the dev’s.

Or you know, their youtube channel and their home page. Just about everything that’s appeared there gets discussed here and then you can go watch it.

Let me ask you this? Are you saying the changes we’re talking about where not discussed on this forum? Because I saw the discussions.

Please show the post made by any dev on this forum regarding the changes.

Vayne.8563:

OP, this type of response is EXACTLY the reason why Anet is reluctant to share stuff with us. Instead of saying you don’t feel that you go enough you have to use words like misled as if it was something done deliberately to you.

All this type of post is going to accomplish is for Anet to tell us less in the future. It’s not helpful or constructive.

It’s better if they don’t tell us anything. They have been inconsistent, they’ve put flat out lies in official patch notes. So don’t believe a single word they say or write, anywhere, ever.

Inculpatus cedo.9234:

Can you use GS in Shroud? I thought you could only use Shroud skills….

No, and Reaper’s shroud doesn’t have a dark field at all, it only has an ice field.

To combo leeching bolts the necro has to drop a dark field (wells, GS#4) before going into shroud and then combo’ing it with a shroud ability.

Eldbrand Charging.8902:

Vayne.8563:

Eldbrand Charging.8902:

Vayne.8563:

OP, this type of response is EXACTLY the reason why Anet is reluctant to share stuff with us. Instead of saying you don’t feel that you go enough you have to use words like misled as if it was something done deliberately to you.

All this type of post is going to accomplish is for Anet to tell us less in the future. It’s not helpful or constructive.

They don’t tell us squat here on the official forum anyway, you have to go to an outside forum like Reddit to get any info from the dev’s.

Or you know, their youtube channel and their home page. Just about everything that’s appeared there gets discussed here and then you can go watch it.

Let me ask you this? Are you saying the changes we’re talking about where not discussed on this forum? Because I saw the discussions.

Please show the post made by any dev on this forum regarding the changes.

So the post on the forums has to be by a dev? lol Okay then.

There are posts, on this forum, about all sorts of stuff. There are also articles on the guild wars 2 home page, information in the game launcher, and a youtube channel where, pretty much every week, Anet goes over the upcoming stuff.

If you think posting to their web site isn’t good enough, I’m sorry. You should check out the web site.

And if you’re on the forum, you’ll find threads discussion all the articles posted to the website.

The game launcher and the website give you the relevant info.

kolompi.1287:

Vayne.8563:

OP, this type of response is EXACTLY the reason why Anet is reluctant to share stuff with us. Instead of saying you don’t feel that you go enough you have to use words like misled as if it was something done deliberately to you.

All this type of post is going to accomplish is for Anet to tell us less in the future. It’s not helpful or constructive.

It’s better if they don’t tell us anything. They have been inconsistent, they’ve put flat out lies in official patch notes. So don’t believe a single word they say or write, anywhere, ever.

There have been mistakes. Unless you can prove intent, it’s not lies. The more people say this, the less they tell us. Then people complain that they don’t communicate. Well, we can clearly see here the reason.

If you do 10,000 things a day, you’re going to make 100 mistakes. That’s just being human. No company produces perfect patch notes, or says things that turn out not to be true. It doesn’t mean they weren’t true to the person’s knowledge when they said it. And that doesn’t constitute a lie by any definition I know.

Actually aside from shroud#1 piercing baseline there were no changes to basic shroud. Leeching bolts from dark fields will heal through shroud. Kk, fine… is shroud #1 a projectile finisher ? nope. Are any of basic death shroud skills any kind of finishers ? nope.

This is a slight buff to reaper shroud, which makes it even better.
All boon corruption changes ? Death shroud vs Reaper shroud:
Can use all mentioned skills ? Check & check
Curses line boon corruption on #2 shroud? Single target (1hit vulnerable to aegis) vs Aoe multihit ability that removes aegis before it applies corruption
Death shroud even fails when it comes to condition application. Burning is better in reaper shroud. Poison stacks with Poison cloud + it adds projectiles. Not mentioning aoe chill field.

WHAT exactly did they do to make DS better ?

PS: Before expansion i was laughing my kitten when i looked at reaper shroud #1 chain and saw “pierces” note xD at least this is now fixed