Guild Wars 2

Grey.5731:

Hello, after yesterday I feel kinda tricked… I was working toward my legendary backpiece collection and here it comes:

Dark Energy descriptions says: “Salvaged from ascended gear.”
Ascended salvage kit says: “Dark Energy and other items can be salvaged from weapons, armor, and other trinkets”

So took it as granted that I will get dark energy from ascended trinkets, tried to salvage dark energy from asc amulet, so I spent 6 g and 12 guild commendations (1g for salvage and 5 g for guild commendation trader), then got surprised with the outcome – 5 x +1 agony infusions, like for real? Then a thought came to my mind, that I might salvaged wrong item even thought I coulnd’t find any ascended in my bags, so tried to buy new one and… 9 x +1 agony infusions… Gave the game last chance bought third got about 7 x +1 agony infusions. So total:

Spent:

- 18 g + 36 guild commendations, (guild commendations took me about 9 weeks to get, since low week cap)

Income:

- 21 +1 agony infusions

Conclusion:

- Joke

Now here comes the questions, “really anet”? Checked some rate drop on the internet and it says in most cases u get this, I wonder who while designing the ascended salvaging possibilities thought about this, guess none. I often hear when you people do interviews about ‘we thought this was fun, that would be really cool’, so could someone explain it to me how spending 9 weeks of guild mission farm and quite an amount of gold just to get items worth 40 silver is FUN? Not to mention it’s not fair at all, if I’d know the person responsible for this design I should probably report him/her in game for ‘scamming’. Also by decisions you make, you probably are aware that tons of gold sellers exist right?

I just wonder what’s the point behind it? You said you wanted to get rid of rng if it comes to precursors, so instead you decided to make another rng hell regarding ascended salvaging? (not only dark energy but also ‘Fatebreaker’ title, after salvaging over 30 rings I just gave up).

Maybe I’m just unlucky, but I really feel tricked and robbed by the game, even though i spent over 2000 hours in GW1/GW2 combined, I don’t like neither feel like the game is still for players like me (not a type of 12h per day farm guy nor gold seller user).

That would likely be Anet’s economist John Smith. Most of the cost things were very likely his idea.

Honestly ascended salvaging is terrible. Not only does it cost way too much gold but it simply isn’t worth it in most of the cases. In all honesty it should just cost fractal relics and a very small amount of gold because the real cost to salvaging ascended gear is already covered. Ascended gear of any type except rings is the cost, even with rings you can only get them from a daily fractal chest so it isn’t like they are unlimited. Salvaging ascended should not be significantly more expensive than salvaging other gear as the cost is covered by what it takes to get that gear.

The more valuable the Ascended gear, the higher your chances are for good drops. Next time, try salvaging an Ascended Weapon or Armor, and then come back with your results. I guarantee you you’ll get what you want.

Edit – 18 Gold is a drop in a bucket. You’ll get next to nothing with spending such low amounts. Save your money, craft some boots or gloves, and then salvage.

Is this for real? If yes, arenanet can keep their dumb backpack. Ascended gear are the top gear in the game and that one-time use salvage kit already costs 1g, thus there HAVE to be 100% chance for getting that material!!!! Also arenanet DID trick you because in the description of the salvage kit is no information that there is just a rare chance of getting the mat.

ArenaNet, fix your game and stop robbing people of their time. We are not mindless dummies who will be salvaging the most valuable loot in the game just for a freaking chance of progressing. You already have your dummies for casino-like activities. Keep this attitude away from normal players.

Dark Balls require a LOT of investments. If you can’t afford to craft a bunch of armors, I would recommend hoping for an Ascended chest drop.

Smooth Penguin.5294:

Dark Balls require a LOT of investments. If you can’t afford to craft a bunch of armors, I would recommend hoping for an Ascended chest drop.

I would go for the cheap ascended backs (books and quivers) from the forge.
They start around 65g crafting cost.

I don’t want to live in a world where 65g item is cheap.

salvaged 2 rings then i realized the evil plan behind this thing.

New legendaries are coming ! I can’t wait to see the requierements if we need to salvage hundreds of gold of mats just for a fraction of the backpack…

It’s the part of crafting the LEGENDARY backpack that infuses gold cost into the deal. Most legendaries cost a lot of gold.

If you craft ascended weapons and then salvage them, you are guarenteed a ball. Unfortunately they had to keep the drop rate on backpacks and trinkets/amulets low because there are some ways you can get those for pretty cheap (fractal backpack and LS trinkets which you can buy for bandit crests).

So yeah, keep in mind that it’s a legendary item that you’re crafting and it should put it in better perspective.

“How can I turn this into a Gold Sink?”

The only question they know how to ask and answer anymore.

I’m just waiting to see what the new legendary armor is going to require…

Grey.5731:

Like 6 g and 3 weeks of waiting (due to Guild Commendation cap) is not much for one ball of dark energy (which u need 5 for tier 3 as just checked, so probably I just should give up on the legy collection), also I don’t want to try risking 300 g item or whatever it costs now and then getting 5 agony +1 infusions, next step would be deleting account and giving up on future Anet games as well.

You only need 2 balls of dark energy to get the tier 1 which gets you the Finite Result.

You always get a ball of dark energy salvaging an ascended armor/wep and there is a chance to get one from earring or amulet.

Then you get 5 balls of dark energy from salvaging Finite Result.
https://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Finite_Result

This is a legendary piece of gear… It should and will cost over 1000G just like legndary weapons all said and done. Creating 2 ascended armor for about 130G is only a small price to pay to get the 2 balls you need early on.

Honestly the chance can’t be that bad. I salved extra ascended earrings and amulets that I just had lying around and I already got 2 balls of dark energy.

This is the very reason I have not gone after any ascended, or even a legendary, yet. I simply cannot afford it.

Grey.5731:

Well not everyone has spare amulets/earrings apparently. Also I’m talking about being fair, how fair is grinding some item just to salvage it and get nothing in return? Also haven’t ascended armors/weapons risen in price since HoT? (I can’t say personally as I’ve never made any)

You have to salvage rare items to get ectoplasm to craft exotic items. You have to salvage exotic items to get dark matter to craft ascended items. You salvage ascended items to get dark globs to craft legendary item. This isn’t some arbitrary pattern that they added for this, it just happens to be the first time that acquiring the item to salvage is actually costly.

If you haven’t even made ascended items, then don’t focus on making the legendary backpack. It’s a step after for people who already have a ton of ascended.

Ascended weapons have risen in price a bit because wood and steel are needed for legendary precursor crafting. The price will go down, since people are selling ascended mats daily for profit. That’ll dry up and it’ll probably stabilize to around where it was before. Ascended armor is about the same. Silk drops increased greatly, so damask is much cheaper, but the added leather requirement fills in the gap.

Signed. Been there done that. Made a post about it that got lost in space. I salvaged two ascended back pieces. Got 10 +1 AR.

kittening rip off. Salvaging ascended should yield higher reads than salvaging rare gear. Even salvaging masterwork can yield profit equal to ascended salvaging. This is not a fair system. We put time and gold into those, we deserve a fair return. Not this bullkitten drivel.

Grey.5731:

SirMaster.2964:

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So isn’t Finite Result needed for higher tier?

SirMaster.2964:

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You have to salvage Finite Result. It gives you dark matter and an item used in the next recipe. You don’t need Finite Result itself though, but you do have to craft it and salvage it. It seems the 5 dark matter is not an RNG thing if everyone seems to be getting 5, which is pretty nice.

The cost of crafting Finite Result wasn’t horrible either iirc, had almost all the mats for it already, so that might be a good option for crafting and salvaging (might be)

Wait, so is this confirmed that you have 100% chance of getting that ball of dark energy when you salvage a piece of salvage armor? …let’s say boots?

Or, at least, are you confirming that you get that ball of dark energy when salvaging ascended weapon?

If so, I guess it is alright.

Mortifer.2946:

Wait, so is this confirmed that you have 100% chance of getting that ball of dark energy when you salvage a piece of salvage armor? …let’s say boots?

Or, at least, are you confirming that you get that ball of dark energy when salvaging ascended weapon?

If so, I guess it is alright.

No, theres a guy on reddit who salvaged 6 pieces of armor and weapons and didn’t get it at all. Just more ridiculous RNG from anet, there should be any RNG for this at all it should just drop.

OK. So I still riot!!!!

Smooth Penguin.5294:

The more valuable the Ascended gear, the higher your chances are for good drops. Next time, try salvaging an Ascended Weapon or Armor, and then come back with your results. I guarantee you you’ll get what you want.

Edit – 18 Gold is a drop in a bucket. You’ll get next to nothing with spending such low amounts. Save your money, craft some boots or gloves, and then salvage.

I’d say this was good satire, if I didn’t know that you were 100% sincere.

Mortifer.2946:

I don’t want to live in a world where 65g item is cheap.

It’s not cheap — that’s the point. The items that require you to salvage ascended gear are meant to be uber-expensive.

Argue what ever you like, but legendary backpack can easily get more expensive than legendary weapon. Do the counting…. if armors and weapons have the biggest chance of yielding balls of dark matter and that chance is still much lower than 100%, that means that you can easily salvage ascended items in the value of several thousands of golds and you still won’t get enough of that material. Legendary backpack requires A LOT of that material.. not just two or three. The first tier of the backpack (collection+actual crafting components) requires 7!!!!!! balls of dark matter. …You can salvage 7 sets of ascended armor and still not have enough for a freaking tier 1!

Mortifer.2946:

The first tier of the backpack (collection+actual crafting components) requires 7!!!!!! balls of dark matter. …You can salvage 7 sets of ascended armor and still not have enough for a freaking tier 1!

It requires 2. I repeat this. You need 2 to get finite result which you then salvage to get 5 more balls.

SirMaster.2964:

Mortifer.2946:

The first tier of the backpack (collection+actual crafting components) requires 7!!!!!! balls of dark matter. …You can salvage 7 sets of ascended armor and still not have enough for a freaking tier 1!

It requires 2. I repeat this. You need 2 to get finite result which you then salvage to get 5 more balls.

Oh, I get it now.. This page confused me:
http://wiki.guildwars2.com/wiki/Solution:_Finite_Result
I thought you need to complete the collection and then buy that solution from quatermaster for 5 balls

“First world” problems …rolls eyes … <— just a joke