Guild Wars 2

Here is a background of activities I have done in 8 hours.

Going in the water looking for corals. I have spent over 250 harvesting clicks for corals and I only got 4. NOTE that there is only 3 node locations in the map and you only get to hit it once. IT IS NOT LIKE ANY OTHER ORE. Next is the “Shatterer” you have to god knows hope that he crystalizes you for whatever bloody reason that is even related to the Bifrost no explanation whatsover. You have to hope, HOPE that he isn’t blinded and he targets you out of 100 people that is attacking shatterer for their daily.

You already punished my collection tab resource enough. There is no reason that you need to involve 0.00001% RNG variable into a precursor collection. I have spent so much gold that if I knew JUST KNEW that RNG was seriously involved I would have just bought the precursor on Black Lion. As it stands I have lost over 600 gold worth in materials I am too deep I can’t get myself out of this hole I was deluded into.

Oh and also don’t forget you only get corals in 50+ underwater maps so good luck. If you happen to be in the same map as you were in before you will never know.

Welcome to the world of Precursor crafting

Your problem is that you expected it to be a none RNG method like some people expected it to be a cheaper, faster, or merely a method that can be done solo.

Nope it’s there just to drain all of your mats the Bifirost needed like 40 spiritwood planks or something I think. Well those are daily CD items that can’t be used to craft legendary armor and any future items. Like the Damask Patch to drain leather from the economy this is just mats and to get you to stay on longer because the mats you don’t have you’ll be on for hours farming them or draining gold buying them.

hmmm….I examined this post with a team of cheerleaders who promised not to tell nobody if I let them go, but we all agree that anet must have some pretty special people coming up with these ideas.

I’d mock them, but i feel it to be overly unkind to mock special people. I’m….uh….sure they are trying….

you have to honestly think like this, most of these guys are sitting at desks, staring at computer stuff with an IM open to their ‘office friend’ kittening about how much they hate their job, and how stupid management is, and just want to get home to play league of legends, or go outside and find out what the sun looks like again.

its statistically impossible for them ALL to LOVE their jobs and want the best for the player.

Doam.8305:

Welcome to the world of Precursor crafting

Your problem is that you expected it to be a none RNG method like some people expected it to be a cheaper, faster, or merely a method that can be done solo.

Nope it’s there just to drain all of your mats the Bifirost needed like 40 spiritwood planks or something I think. Well those are daily CD items that can’t be used to craft legendary armor and any future items. Like the Damask Patch to drain leather from the economy this is just mats and to get you to stay on longer because the mats you don’t have you’ll be on for hours farming them or draining gold buying them.

I wasn’t expecting an easier cheaper method of doing it. I know that from the start before doing this journey. I know anet will do their best to maintain their strong value point in black lion but to expect that you have to pay god knows how much versus time involved in hoping to get lucky after 300+ corals that can only be found 3 times in a specific map only to get 4 after that amount is not fair.

Expecting an entire mob of players to not blind the shatterer mob and the shatterer to incase you in crystal in the 5 – 7 minute event. That only respawns every 2 hours plus the fact that he can be blinded making his attack miss.

So go ahead criticize me for being mentally upset. Cause I am upset instead of enjoying the rest of the game I am stuck underwater looking for corals watching the shatterer timer in windowed mode. HOPING he hits me. GO defend this level of design and say that this is proper gameplay.

Has the price of coral gone up? thinks about all those times swimming right past coral nodes because they were worthless

I think the Chosen has you beat. Anyone who wants to get started will have to level up to 300 scribe just to make the account bound material needed to craft the very first item needed to begin the collection.

Misguided.5139:

Has the price of coral gone up? thinks about all those times swimming right past coral nodes because they were worthless

From what I hear you don’t need the coral, you need an account-bound thingy that you sometimes get from harvesting the coral nodes with the collection active. The price of coral has gone down a little from the people harvesting so many nodes for The Legend and then dumping all the coral they don’t want on the tp.

The shatterer one needs to be changed. He /never/ does his crystal attack, or when he does it misses because of blind.

I’ll be honest, it is bloody stupid that he can even be blinded at all.

Runiir.6425:

I’ll be honest, it is bloody stupid that he can even be blinded at all.

this is true facts!

What if you try at 2 or 5 am in the night? Less people there = higher chance

Malediktus.9250:

What if you try at 2 or 5 am in the night? Less people there = higher chance

Oh right thats reasonable. Ill just call up my duty station and let them know i wont make it in for night watch because i have to stay up till 2 AM to try and get in an item in a video game. Im sure they will understand that its the only time i can get it because this one boss isnt immune to blind like all the others are.

The shatterer one is crazy all right.

One possibility. Wait till it starts then go there. Most people will have gotten there early and you might be able to get a map with very few people.

Akyl.8647:

Doam.8305:

Welcome to the world of Precursor crafting

Your problem is that you expected it to be a none RNG method like some people expected it to be a cheaper, faster, or merely a method that can be done solo.

Nope it’s there just to drain all of your mats the Bifirost needed like 40 spiritwood planks or something I think. Well those are daily CD items that can’t be used to craft legendary armor and any future items. Like the Damask Patch to drain leather from the economy this is just mats and to get you to stay on longer because the mats you don’t have you’ll be on for hours farming them or draining gold buying them.

I wasn’t expecting an easier cheaper method of doing it. I know that from the start before doing this journey. I know anet will do their best to maintain their strong value point in black lion but to expect that you have to pay god knows how much versus time involved in hoping to get lucky after 300+ corals that can only be found 3 times in a specific map only to get 4 after that amount is not fair.

Expecting an entire mob of players to not blind the shatterer mob and the shatterer to incase you in crystal in the 5 – 7 minute event. That only respawns every 2 hours plus the fact that he can be blinded making his attack miss.

So go ahead criticize me for being mentally upset. Cause I am upset instead of enjoying the rest of the game I am stuck underwater looking for corals watching the shatterer timer in windowed mode. HOPING he hits me. GO defend this level of design and say that this is proper gameplay.

Whoosh~

If you think that’s critism then you must be really thin skinned. Everyone who had any expectations of precrafting being anything positive has already given up. Yes Bifrost needs a bunch of RNG account only items but it’s not the only precrusor to do so. The design is bad design and everyone knows it the waves of posts have already made it through the system.

If you don’t want RNG, excessive grinding, spending a lot of time, grouping, or spending to much gold then the only option is to farm gold and buy it. Seen in countless posts like this one and the final answer is always the same the best way is TP which is neat because some crafting methods use up more gold and materials than the actual value on the TP at this point.

Never said you were complaining about gold your post was about RNG in pre-crafting and so are a number of other RNG heavy precursors some of which require more RNG as well. Pre-crafting does nothing more than exist so people can say it’s finally in the game.

The way I look at it, precursor crafting should be completely, totally, irrevocably devoid of any and all RNG. The entire point for people wanting them to be craftable or to have any other way other than lucky drop…is to get away from RNG.
They already cost more to craft through collections than it would to just buy them off the TP, so frankly…getting rid of all RNG should be mandatory in them.

“Tired of RNG? Want a sure-fire way to get a precursor through hard work and effort? Well boy do we not have the thing for you! Introducing Precursor collections, We took the two things people hated about getting precursors and combined them! We weren’t done yet though, On top of the RNG and Gold cost of the previous methods we’ve also added in doing random events and talking to random NPCs! Act now to be completely disappointed!”

The only issue iam having is with the Shatterer .. He just dont do the crystal anymore ..
the corals one i found 4 today .. iam gonan try tomorrow atleast some progress is being made .

Runiir.6425:

The way I look at it, precursor crafting should be completely, totally, irrevocably devoid of any and all RNG. The entire point for people wanting them to be craftable or to have any other way other than lucky drop…is to get away from RNG.
They already cost more to craft through collections than it would to just buy them off the TP, so frankly…getting rid of all RNG should be mandatory in them.

The Legend doesn’t cost more to craft then to buy it off the TP.
You just said it because you heard it somewhere…. it is actually 200 gold cheaper.

Pistol Joe.3741:

The only issue iam having is with the Shatterer .. He just dont do the crystal anymore ..
the corals one i found 4 today .. iam gonan try tomorrow atleast some progress is being made .

Shatterer does the crystal attack in every fight, it’s always the thing he opens the battle with. The problem is that he’s vulnerable to Blind, so anyone applying the Blind condition to him will make the crystal attack miss 100% of the time. Shatterer isn’t a Champion or Legendary creature, he’s just a structure, he has no resistance to Blind.

Other bosses like him that were also vulnerable to Blind (Great Jungle Wurm and Golem Mark II among them) were changed to no longer be vulnerable to Blind during one of the big world boss revamps. Somehow, Shatterer got missed on that balance pass. Now that it’s actually tied to a collection, I would hope they’ll go back and fix him so that Blind no longer works on him, but we might be waiting for a while.

Akyl.8647:

Oh and also don’t forget you only get corals in 50+ underwater maps so good luck. If you happen to be in the same map as you were in before you will never know.

You should be able to use the /IP chat command, which gives you the ip of the map you are on. If you zone into the map for the 2nd time, do it again and if the ip is different, you are on a different shard of the map.

If you keep getting on the same shard, try swapping your guild, if you are in 2 active ones, preferably with lots of people on different home servers or languages.

yes but still .. this makes it very hard to near imposible to get the last piece we need for the collection.
u will never find a shaterer without ppl .

Having to do the Shatterer is unfortunate. It’s impossible to even do the achievement for him anymore because that effect just doesn’t happen.

Doam.8305:

Welcome to the world of Precursor crafting

Your problem is that you expected it to be a none RNG method like some people expected it to be a cheaper, faster, or merely a method that can be done solo.

Nope it’s there just to drain all of your mats the Bifirost needed like 40 spiritwood planks or something I think. Well those are daily CD items that can’t be used to craft legendary armor and any future items. Like the Damask Patch to drain leather from the economy this is just mats and to get you to stay on longer because the mats you don’t have you’ll be on for hours farming them or draining gold buying them.

The whole point was that it was supposed to be a non-rng way of crafting it.

characterizing this as rng is way too reductive; there’s no way the dice rolls on the harvesting/kill objectives are even close to comparable to the sheer luck involved in looting or mysticforging a precursor.

the old system was purely a lottery. the new system you can build your way steadily towards a precursor and make definite progress. Bifrost isn’t the only collection with a bugged boss atm (ULGOOOOOOTH!).

Shoe.5821:

Bifrost isn’t the only collection with a bugged boss atm (ULGOOOOOOTH!).

Ulgoth was apparently stealth-fixed yesterday or today. You can get the item for Dusk now.

Shoe.5821:

characterizing this as rng is way too reductive; there’s no way the dice rolls on the harvesting/kill objectives are even close to comparable to the sheer luck involved in looting or mysticforging a precursor.

the old system was purely a lottery. the new system you can build your way steadily towards a precursor and make definite progress. Bifrost isn’t the only collection with a bugged boss atm (ULGOOOOOOTH!).

The old system was never purely a lottery. There has always been a steady enough market that you’ll have a 100% chance of being able to secure it from the TP with a decent enough buy order price, or even just outright buying it as listed.

The crafting system may involve RNG that is more in your favor than receiving a drop, but it’s hardly an effective system when in many cases people are still more willing to farm up the gold outright instead of going out of their way to do random activities that still involve RNG and still end up having to pay most of the gold anyway.

For The Love of God , How much do we need to spam to get noted !

It is pretty stupid how hard it ends up being to get turned into a crystal… but at least that’s something we all know is implemented… I dunno if anyone has confirmed that compost drops for Kudzu III

Mortifer.2946:

Runiir.6425:

The way I look at it, precursor crafting should be completely, totally, irrevocably devoid of any and all RNG. The entire point for people wanting them to be craftable or to have any other way other than lucky drop…is to get away from RNG.
They already cost more to craft through collections than it would to just buy them off the TP, so frankly…getting rid of all RNG should be mandatory in them.

The Legend doesn’t cost more to craft then to buy it off the TP.
You just said it because you heard it somewhere…. it is actually 200 gold cheaper.

For the legend, yes. Now look at the others.
You want to make the flame seeker prophecies? Totally cheaper to just buy the precursor. Along with many, many, others.

You are focusing on a single one, I am talking about all of them on the whole.

Yeah, you are right. ..but fortunately, I care only about Bifrost at this time.

Mortifer.2946:

Yeah, you are right. ..but fortunately, I care only about Bifrost at this time.

Oh I know it, my girl wants bifrost bad and reading all of this…she’s sorta given up starting/trying to do the collections for it heh.

Runiir.6425:

Mortifer.2946:

Yeah, you are right. ..but fortunately, I care only about Bifrost at this time.

Oh I know it, my girl wants bifrost bad and reading all of this…she’s sorta given up starting/trying to do the collections for it heh.

Heh, what a coincidence… I am crafting Bifrost for my girlfriend and I hope to be done before Christmas

Akyl.8647:

I wasn’t expecting an easier cheaper method of doing it.

Shouldn’t it be cheaper, though? If it’s no cheaper than buying it through the TP, then what is the purpose of this?

Mortifer.2946:

Runiir.6425:

Mortifer.2946:

Yeah, you are right. ..but fortunately, I care only about Bifrost at this time.

Oh I know it, my girl wants bifrost bad and reading all of this…she’s sorta given up starting/trying to do the collections for it heh.

Heh, what a coincidence… I am crafting Bifrost for my girlfriend and I hope to be done before Christmas

Goodluck to you Mort, especially with shatterer =/

Canakun.8031:

Doam.8305:

Welcome to the world of Precursor crafting

Your problem is that you expected it to be a none RNG method like some people expected it to be a cheaper, faster, or merely a method that can be done solo.

Nope it’s there just to drain all of your mats the Bifirost needed like 40 spiritwood planks or something I think. Well those are daily CD items that can’t be used to craft legendary armor and any future items. Like the Damask Patch to drain leather from the economy this is just mats and to get you to stay on longer because the mats you don’t have you’ll be on for hours farming them or draining gold buying them.

The whole point was that it was supposed to be a non-rng way of crafting it.

That can’t be right Anet is the one who implemented it after all

I know the Bifrost crafting and the TC is being to kind before the RNG account bound item from coral he had to farm Jotun at different locations because each kessig had an RNG account bound drop from the local Jotun. Though the RNG drop rate at tier one is no doubt higher than tier 3 and on top of that many other people crafting have mentioned there is quit a deal of RNG the whole process is loaded with it.

There is no point and as actions speak louder than words and three years with Anet you base it on what they do not what they say. Seeing how Precrafting like I stated earlier can be more expensive than buying it on the TP, contains RNG, can be more timely, and literally fails at any other reason people have made up for it’s inclusion the only answer is it exists simply to exist and people can’t ask for pre crafting anymore because it exists. TC will eventually get his RNG mats just like someone flushing might eventually get a pre it’s all a matter of time management.

The only method that doesn’t involve RNG on the part of the player is the TP because someone else got lucky and decided to sell it. That said all the Pre’s are different some can be done solo while other demand a group, some are cheaper to be made and some are cheaper to be purchased, and some require a great deal more RNG than others which makes it harder to defend because there is always a pre that counters.

The Great Al.2546:

Akyl.8647:

I wasn’t expecting an easier cheaper method of doing it.

Shouldn’t it be cheaper, though? If it’s no cheaper than buying it through the TP, then what is the purpose of this?

For it to exist it’s not cheaper, faster, or even involve less RNG though it does give achievement points.

You can spend months farming mats for pre or you spend months farming gold to buy the pre the difference is gold can be aquired while playing naturally doing whatever you want to do. While farming means farming specific maps/mats and your cut off daily by the CD if your making those type of mats.

Runiir.6425:

Mortifer.2946:

Yeah, you are right. ..but fortunately, I care only about Bifrost at this time.

Oh I know it, my girl wants bifrost bad and reading all of this…she’s sorta given up starting/trying to do the collections for it heh.

I started Bifrost this past weekend, then I saw this and I sort of went “well kitten…”

Ah well, I’ll keep pluggin away at it. Maybe I’ll get lucky! (And maybe I’ll win the lottery…or get struck by lightening (twice)…) Here’s to trying…

I remember I managed to farm that crystal achievement (get crystalized 5 times) a year ago…it is certainly possible. Just not on zerked map.

And with each person that quits the process…the skins become even more ‘legendary’.

I’m so glad I bought the legend off the tp.

i dunno how you folks think that crafting the legend is keeper then buying it. If you factor in the time it takes to get all the components. Not to mention some of the outlandish ways of getting the components (twilight is no picnic either)..

Canakun.8031:

Doam.8305:

Welcome to the world of Precursor crafting

Your problem is that you expected it to be a none RNG method like some people expected it to be a cheaper, faster, or merely a method that can be done solo.

Nope it’s there just to drain all of your mats the Bifirost needed like 40 spiritwood planks or something I think. Well those are daily CD items that can’t be used to craft legendary armor and any future items. Like the Damask Patch to drain leather from the economy this is just mats and to get you to stay on longer because the mats you don’t have you’ll be on for hours farming them or draining gold buying them.

The whole point was that it was supposed to be a non-rng way of crafting it.

A lot of people seem incapable of understanding that if items in the collections required for precursors depend on RNG, then the precursor is also by extension dependent on RNG.

And yes, they said precursor crafting wasn’t supposed to be cheaper, but it was supposed to be a non-RNG way of getting one. Except that it isn’t.

Waiting for luck to strike .. Sounds like RNG to me

Pistol Joe.3741:

For The Love of God , How much do we need to spam to get noted !

senpai noticed you

I think chosen is in a much worse state than this
You need masteries to unlock it + weapon smith 350+ scribe 300 just to start the journey
The problem is the scribe 300 that’s causing the issue, Mats to do this is about 600g +a huge amount of guild effort(To start the collection)
Cost of precursor is 559g
Yeah gg

Well First off it wasn’t coral he was trying obtain, but an item that drops from only farming coral and that is a vial of manganese Dioxide, and I felt his pain as it took me almost a total of 2 weeks to get the 10 vials needed to craft a jar of purple paint. My problem now is using this Jade Maw’s Eye Lens and a quartz crystal on a Vinewrath to which after 25 SW breaches thus far I have yet to get this one.

Doam.8305:

Welcome to the world of Precursor crafting

Your problem is that you expected it to be a none RNG method like some people expected it to be a cheaper, faster, or merely a method that can be done solo.

Nope it’s there just to drain all of your mats the Bifirost needed like 40 spiritwood planks or something I think. Well those are daily CD items that can’t be used to craft legendary armor and any future items. Like the Damask Patch to drain leather from the economy this is just mats and to get you to stay on longer because the mats you don’t have you’ll be on for hours farming them or draining gold buying them.

40 Spiritwoods is nothing compare to Dawn’s 100 Deldrimor Steel Ingots

Oh, not to mention Never cost 75 Spiritwoods and 4500 additonal elder wood logs.

How do you do the “testing” on Pyrite Peninsula? I have the Jade Maw’s Eye Lens and the crystals but can’t figure out where or what the testing is.