Guild Wars 2

To Anet Marketing Team:

I know you guys playing business trick in here:
for new player $50 for new players Treat this as a new game. + unknown income in gem store in the future.
for existing player:
$50 + 800gem for new slot.
it seem have lots of income for this. ..

BUT have you consider:
Those players who already left in the pass. Those player who’re taking the break ATM.
by looking at that price do you know they still will comeback?? i think they will prefer new MMORPG.
Those player are still in the game. by hearing this new will stop playing ( I am the one)

This is how you treat you loyal fans?

GW2 is a 3 years game no matter how good the expansion will be. its not a brand NEW GAME. expansion still an expansion.

Should you more targeting for existing player. and not focus on the new players?

What happen if you dont have enough new players and existing left in large number?
The Answer is you will lots large income to support your business.

Well.. you can still ignore those players in the forum. but have you consider we are the voice from the Society.

How many player will still support you. your sales team will find out soon.

Here is answer to all argument. Want it, have money for it, Buy it. Want it, no money for it, save up money.Don’t want it, don’t buy it. It is that simple. All the arguments and rioting are getting ridiculous.

there always have some asx-kissing fans around..

Guys, I just noticed that some topics were deleted here. Wonder why? Seems like they don’t like what they see.

JUN YANG.4328:

GW2 is a 3 years game no matter how good the expansion will be. its not a brand NEW GAME. expansion still an expansion.

So? How old is WoW and people continue to play it and return to it every time one of their $50 expansions comes out. The fact is, people will and already have bought it. Dozens of people have posted that they bought the ultimate edition. Obviously this isn’t an issue, nor is the price, nor is the fact that the standard version doesn’t include a character slot.

of course. that what always do.. dont want others to see negative feedback. and they just ignore it most of time.

GoldenSnake.5916:

Guys, I just noticed that some topics were deleted here. Wonder why? Seems like they don’t like what they see.

They have been merging them all day, that’s nothing new

Ranatoa.4869:

JUN YANG.4328:

GW2 is a 3 years game no matter how good the expansion will be. its not a brand NEW GAME. expansion still an expansion.

So? How old is WoW and people continue to play it and return to it every time one of their $50 expansions comes out. The fact is, people will and already have bought it. Dozens of people have posted that they bought the ultimate edition. Obviously this isn’t an issue, nor is the price, nor is the fact that the standard version doesn’t include a character slot.

Of course they bought the ultimate edition.
The other two versions do not offer good value for what little information we have.

its about fair..
for my own personal i dont really care they have extra slot or not.
i got 13 slot. 1 slot already save for Revenant

its about how anet treat their loyal customer. even WoW’s expansion still require new player to buy the original copy

for GW2 i never hear other company did expansion like this…

Ranatoa.4869:

JUN YANG.4328:

GW2 is a 3 years game no matter how good the expansion will be. its not a brand NEW GAME. expansion still an expansion.

So? How old is WoW and people continue to play it and return to it every time one of their $50 expansions comes out. The fact is, people will and already have bought it. Dozens of people have posted that they bought the ultimate edition. Obviously this isn’t an issue, nor is the price, nor is the fact that the standard version doesn’t include a character slot.

JUN YANG.4328:

its about fair..
for my own personal i dont really care they have extra slot or not.
i got 13 slot. 1 slot already save for Revenant

its about how anet treat their loyal customer. even WoW’s expansion still require new player to buy the original copy

for GW2 i never hear other company did expansion like this…

Conan the Barbarian included the core game for free with its expansion.

Its hilarious how much players think their “loyalty” has value.

Mony you’ve spent is spent. In fact its a big long list of things that’ll never generate revenue again for them compared to a new customer who does not yet own any bank tabs or outfits or harvesting tools.

Seriously, what do you think Arenanet expects of existing, loyal players other than maybe a trickle of money as they churn out outfit after outfit and the occasional pet or finisher. “Loyal” customers are for the most part mined-out customers.

And ultimately the really loyal customers will keep putting in money with or without a special sweetener being tacked on the deal.

They should have been a little more thoughtful, certainly, but as a cold hard calculation, they’re gonna make a boatload of money off of HoT with or without the outrage of so-called loyalists.

JUN YANG.4328:

its about how anet treat their loyal customer. even WoW’s expansion still require new player to buy the original copy

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So you would be happy if it costed 50 bucks and forced new players to buy the original?

So it’s not so much that you want something, you want others not to have something.
Just buy the expac if you want it and don’t spend too much attention on what others get, life isn’t always fair.

we are the loyal customer already. still try fighting about price. still in this forum.
half years time for not updated. only money digging item ( skin, outfit, mini ). and skill balance. but we still not give up for gw2 this call loyalty.

for myself i would say YES. i still fans from gw to gw2 all these years.

but for other games NO this price is not reasonable for expansion.

Baseleader.4128:

JUN YANG.4328:

its about how anet treat their loyal customer. even WoW’s expansion still require new player to buy the original copy

So you would be happy if it costed 50 bucks and forced new players to buy the original?

So it’s not so much that you want something, you want others not to have something.
Just buy the expac if you want it and don’t spend too much attention on what others get, life isn’t always fair.

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Baseleader.4128:

JUN YANG.4328:

its about how anet treat their loyal customer. even WoW’s expansion still require new player to buy the original copy

So you would be happy if it costed 50 bucks and forced new players to buy the original?

So it’s not so much that you want something, you want others not to have something.
Just buy the expac if you want it and don’t spend too much attention on what others get, life isn’t always fair.

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So you’d actively support/promote unfair practice? Most people would prefer fair treatment and practice if given the choice and voice up when injustice or unfair things happen. So i think you might need a little help on ur side…..

Judging from your name (and sadly also from your grammar xD), you are from the Chinese community I suppose? It would be great to hear what the Chinese community thinks about the HoT versions. Unfortunately I don’t speak Chinese and therefore can’t read the forums myself. Would you do us the favor? <3
Ni Hao ;D

ya.. i do have grammar issue lol i knew. yes i am a chinese but not typical chinese in china. been living in Australia for a while now.

NI HAO

I’m sorry but it’s kinda ridiculous that people are angry that others are getting sth that they don’t need themselves. I’d agree if the expac was cheaper for new players or sth like that. That would have been very unfair and not okay.

But that some new player is getting the core game with it, why would that bother me?
I’m glad, cause it’ll be an incentive for people to buy this bundle and that means more players ingame.

i said that before. the price for me is acceptable doesnt mean the others.
i am a libra i need to be fair.

Same boat….

Old customers/loyal player base are expected to pay more for the same game than newer players…

I’ll explain as simple as I can:
Player 1- Bought the game at release for $60-$80 depending on situations. (mine was $80, EB Games Australia)
Player 2- Still hasn’t looked at Guild wars 2 because they have been enjoying other games for the last 3 years

With the expansion coming out:
Player 1- Will now have to pay a further $50 for an expansion to a game they own, which I believe no one would have cared about, making a total of $110-$130 spent.
Player 2- Randomly walks into a game shop with some birthday money or spare cash, see’s Guild Wars 2 + expansion on sale for $50, takes it home and enjoys full benefits of a game, a total of $50 spent.

The loyal customer has paid more money just for the original game without the expansion while the new player pays less and acquires more. – Understandably making vet players a little angry and left out after having stuck with Anet for so long. The best compensation they can provide is a free game copy in which they hope player 1 will use to bring in player 3 but all that will most likely happen is a bunch of forgotten codes, hack accounts, alt accounts, spy accounts for wvw and what have nots… It will also provide an unrealistic view of how many actual players are on a server or play the game…. kinda adds to population balance problems even further.

Baseleader.4128:

I’m sorry but it’s kinda ridiculous that people are angry that others are getting sth that they don’t need themselves. I’d agree if the expac was cheaper for new players or sth like that. That would have been very unfair and not okay.

But that some new player is getting the core game with it, why would that bother me?
I’m glad, cause it’ll be an incentive for people to buy this bundle and that means more players ingame.

To be honest, the game does not need to be aim for brand new players, the game already hit it’s peak at release and probably won’t ever be as high again unless they release something incredibly amazing soon, most likely they won’t even have that many more brand new players, veterans will still be the largest population by far.

Baseleader.4128:

I’m sorry but it’s kinda ridiculous that people are angry that others are getting sth that they don’t need themselves. I’d agree if the expac was cheaper for new players or sth like that. That would have been very unfair and not okay.

But that some new player is getting the core game with it, why would that bother me?
I’m glad, cause it’ll be an incentive for people to buy this bundle and that means more players ingame.

Basic human need
-perception of fairness
-perception of good deal
-perception of being appreciated and def not the opposite of that

Would you think the gold bar i’m selling to you for 10usd is worth anything when other people is getting 2 gold bar for the same price?

warbignime.4610:

All the arguments and rioting are getting ridiculous.

I missed the part where people were breaking windows and flipping cop cars. Is that happening in Seattle?

Does anyone, and I mean ANYONE think that new players with a naked account are starting from anything like parity with a 3 year veteran?

They get a free game. Good for them. I get new players to play with without unnecessary barriers to entry. Good for me and the game as a whole.

I realize enlightened self-interest is hard because it takes thinking about where you’ll be in a day or week or month rather than right this second as you’re clicking “buy now” but dang people…

Nike.2631:

Does anyone, and I mean ANYONE think that new players with a naked account are starting from anything like parity with a 3 year veteran?

That’s not what any of this is about. On top of that, two year, and even one year players are being shafted too.

Nike.2631:

Does anyone, and I mean ANYONE think that new players with a naked account are starting from anything like parity with a 3 year veteran?

They get a free game. Good for them. I get new players to play with without unnecessary barriers to entry. Good for me and the game as a whole.

I realize enlightened self-interest is hard because it takes thinking about where you’ll be in a day or week or month rather than right this second as you’re clicking “buy now” but dang people…

I think those f2p games will suit your taste more as gw2 is using a b2p model so yea we will care if some people are getting this game for free and some people need to pay for it.
Imagine going to a restaurant where some eats for free and some need to pay. Doesn’t make sense does it?

sephiroth.4217:

Same boat….

Old customers/loyal player base are expected to pay more for the same game than newer players…

I’ll explain as simple as I can:
Player 1- Bought the game at release for $60-$80 depending on situations. (mine was $80, EB Games Australia)
Player 2- Still hasn’t looked at Guild wars 2 because they have been enjoying other games for the last 3 years

With the expansion coming out:
Player 1- Will now have to pay a further $50 for an expansion to a game they own, which I believe no one would have cared about, making a total of $110-$130 spent.
Player 2- Randomly walks into a game shop with some birthday money or spare cash, see’s Guild Wars 2 + expansion on sale for $50, takes it home and enjoys full benefits of a game, a total of $50 spent.

The loyal customer has paid more money just for the original game without the expansion while the new player pays less and acquires more. – Understandably making vet players a little angry and left out after having stuck with Anet for so long. The best compensation they can provide is a free game copy in which they hope player 1 will use to bring in player 3 but all that will most likely happen is a bunch of forgotten codes, hack accounts, alt accounts, spy accounts for wvw and what have nots… It will also provide an unrealistic view of how many actual players are on a server or play the game…. kinda adds to population balance problems even further.

I think it would have been in good taste to give us a char slot. But i don’t think you can expect them to still ask 50 bucks for a 3 year old game. If i buy COD 2 years after release, it’s gonna be cheaper. Even if they added some extra maps.

And why have people never been this upset about the sales weekends then? New ppl were able to buy the game for 10 dollars, a lot less than veteran players. Noone kittened about that

Baseleader.4128:

sephiroth.4217:

Same boat….

Old customers/loyal player base are expected to pay more for the same game than newer players…

I’ll explain as simple as I can:
Player 1- Bought the game at release for $60-$80 depending on situations. (mine was $80, EB Games Australia)
Player 2- Still hasn’t looked at Guild wars 2 because they have been enjoying other games for the last 3 years

With the expansion coming out:
Player 1- Will now have to pay a further $50 for an expansion to a game they own, which I believe no one would have cared about, making a total of $110-$130 spent.
Player 2- Randomly walks into a game shop with some birthday money or spare cash, see’s Guild Wars 2 + expansion on sale for $50, takes it home and enjoys full benefits of a game, a total of $50 spent.

The loyal customer has paid more money just for the original game without the expansion while the new player pays less and acquires more. – Understandably making vet players a little angry and left out after having stuck with Anet for so long. The best compensation they can provide is a free game copy in which they hope player 1 will use to bring in player 3 but all that will most likely happen is a bunch of forgotten codes, hack accounts, alt accounts, spy accounts for wvw and what have nots… It will also provide an unrealistic view of how many actual players are on a server or play the game…. kinda adds to population balance problems even further.

I think it would have been in good taste to give us a char slot. But i don’t think you can expect them to still ask 50 bucks for a 3 year old game. If i buy COD 2 years after release, it’s gonna be cheaper. Even if they added some extra maps.

And why have people never been this upset about the sales weekends then? New ppl were able to buy the game for 10 dollars, a lot less than veteran players. Noone kittened about that

Obviously not, because they have to buy the $50 expansion just like the rest of us, AND they still get a copy they can’t use.

Channel.9402:

Nike.2631:

Does anyone, and I mean ANYONE think that new players with a naked account are starting from anything like parity with a 3 year veteran?

They get a free game. Good for them. I get new players to play with without unnecessary barriers to entry. Good for me and the game as a whole.

I realize enlightened self-interest is hard because it takes thinking about where you’ll be in a day or week or month rather than right this second as you’re clicking “buy now” but dang people…

I think those f2p games will suit your taste more as gw2 is using a b2p model so yea we will care if some people are getting this game for free and some people need to pay for it.
Imagine going to a restaurant where some eats for free and some need to pay. Doesn’t make sense does it?

Yh, you’ll end up paying more for the buffet. But you’ve also been eating from it for the last 3 years, while the new guy hasn’t.

What its about is people attaching substantial value to something that doesn’t have substantial value. Veterans don’t WANT an new account and yet people are trying to bargain with ANet like not getting one is a big deal. If they did, people would be buying the package and firing up brand new accounts with HoT access instead of applying their code to their existing account.

Yes. Their release plan was thoughtless and stupid and should totally have provided the semblance of caring about existing customers even thought we all know the reality is new players are where the money is for them. There should have been a cookie. ANd if there isn’t a cookie offered in the next 2 weeks, I’ll be shocked. But if people are expecting a giant verbal capitulation and apology while E3 is still running, they’re fooling themselves.

ANet will save face after the media frenzy, not during it.

Baseleader.4128:

sephiroth.4217:

I think it would have been in good taste to give us a char slot. But i don’t think you can expect them to still ask 50 bucks for a 3 year old game. If i buy COD 2 years after release, it’s gonna be cheaper. Even if they added some extra maps.

And why have people never been this upset about the sales weekends then? New ppl were able to buy the game for 10 dollars, a lot less than veteran players. Noone kittened about that

The base game is not even available for purchase anymore and it’s permanently replace by HoT. so basically u can even look at it as HoT is the NEW base game and while new player just buy HoT we end up buying gw2 twice.

Nike.2631:

What its about is people attaching substantial value to something that doesn’t have substantial value. Veterans don’t WANT an new account and yet people are trying to bargain with ANet like not getting one is a big deal. If they did, people would be buying the package and firing up brand new accounts with HoT access instead of applying their code to their existing account.

Yes. Their release plan was thoughtless and stupid and should totally have provided the semblance of caring about existing customers even thought we all know the reality is new players are where the money is for them. There should have been a cookie. ANd if there isn’t a cookie offered in the next 2 weeks, I’ll be shocked. But if people are expecting a giant verbal capitulation and apology while E3 is still running, they’re fooling themselves.

ANet will save face after the media frenzy, not during it.

I’m sure a lot of player won’t mind another free account for extra bank and daily laurel/reward farming. Or even to gift or sell to another friend

Baseleader.4128:

Yh, you’ll end up paying more for the buffet. But you’ve also been eating from it for the last 3 years, while the new guy hasn’t.

If ur hardcore gaming aiming for end game stuff then yea you’ll pay a lot more than normal sub game but if ur a casual gamer then no, you could basically play for free all you want without much restriction with a lots of game nowadays.
Yes i’ve been eating it for the last 3 years, thats cos i’ve paid for it 3 years ago. And now he’s getting double my portion for the same price.

what if someone bought the game 3 years ago. play only twice then they want to but HOT this time. spending ($80 AUD) for nothing?

And what if a retail shop still have a copy of the original game on their shelve? to the bin?
i believe lots and lots of retail shop still have the original copy for 3 years.

did Anet every think about this?

Sad part is that the game is old, and they are pricing it as new.

Zebniko.1094:

Sad part is that the game is old, and they are pricing it as new.

Indeed. I bought a 2nd copy a little while back for $9.99 US.

Come on, just wait for xmas m8s. I can see dat 50% discount.

Christmas ? i rather buy BLADE and SOUL …. by the time it launch already.

kinda, but am staying in GW2 until it dies. Beside that most of the MMORPG are the same, why playing anything else. Am waiting for Grim Dawn full release and Killing Floor 2 full release and Unreal Tournament Online. kind do not like playing unfinished games.