Guild Wars 2

This is a concern of mine, since Anet is moving away from personal guilds, I may be forced to join larger guilds in order to Build.

And from my experience with other games with features like this for guilds, usually on,y top ranked guild members and guild favorite members are allowed to Build, while the rest of us only get to play and watch.

I hope Anet designs this feature for everybody to be able to have their own place to build at, and not just Guild Halls of larger guilds…

From my understanding of the Guild Hall system it will be available to any guild that wants one.

If you buy HOT then you can build a guild hall in Maguuma, but you need to clear out the NPC monsters before you can claim the map as your guild hall. If you don’t buy HOT you can use a guild hall like facility in Lion’s Arch.
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/guild-halls-taken-from-the-enemy/
https://www.guildwars2.com/en/news/building-your-guild-hall/

Buildings inside your Guild Hall will require certain elements, like guild influence (which is changing names) and some materials, but it should all be obtainable if you do guild missions with your guild and work together.

There is a new “Permission” that can be set, like current ones, that allows a player to assign decorations. But this would have to be given by the Guild Leader. This would be more likely to happen in a smaller Guild, I believe, as in a large Guild, you wouldn’t want every person just throwing stuff around. Your intentions would probably be 100% good, but for every 1 of you, there are 50 trolls that would shape a vine wall into a viney, phallus-shaped object lol.

I’m thinking it will take a minimun number of guild member to cap a guild hall say 15 or more. Single member guilds or personal guilds most likely will not be able to cap the guild hall or it sounds like you need to defend it in some manner. Not sure how this will work but a single member guild may not be able to defend the guid hall.

Which like I said, this guild hall building features, will only be usable by a small tiny fraction of the GW2 players. That’s what will ruin this Xpac seller…

Knighthonor.4061:

Which like I said, this guild hall building features, will only be usable by a small tiny fraction of the GW2 players. That’s what will ruin this Xpac seller…

“I pulled out a random statistic that will show why the xpac will fail because I don’t like how the feature in question is done.”

Not saying that your concern isn’t warranted – it may be – but making up stuff doesn’t help your case.

If this is the case, it’s going to be a case of finding a small, accommodating guild. I can’t imagine that every guild out there will bar the lower echelons, so to speak, from contributing to the hall.

Knighthonor.4061:

This is a concern of mine, since Anet is moving away from personal guilds, I may be forced to join larger guilds in order to Build.

I am not sure how you came to that conclusion…

Honestly after reading some of the interviews and all the blog posts they are focusing way too much attention on small guilds being on par with big guilds for me to worry about this. Of course it’s hard to say what a “small” guild is but based of phrases like “a few friends” make me think that even 15 or less will be possible

Ranatoa.4869:

Knighthonor.4061:

This is a concern of mine, since Anet is moving away from personal guilds, I may be forced to join larger guilds in order to Build.

I am not sure how you came to that conclusion…

Honestly after reading some of the interviews and all the blog posts they are focusing way too much attention on small guilds being on par with big guilds for me to worry about this. Of course it’s hard to say what a “small” guild is but based of phrases like “a few friends” make me think that even 15 or less will be possible

Because even in guilds like that, only the top people will be allowed to build. I dont have real life friends that play GW2 non casually.

This the same experience from Rift’s guild dimensions in which the restrictions were in place.
Everybody should be allowed to build. Seeing as people been asking for a housing feature for a long time now.
Making it so only a fraction of the playerbase will be able to use this feature, won’t be a system seller. Many people here have never experienced such a feature before, so they may not understand where I am coming from with my concern, but I have experienced this kind of restriction in other MMOs. And it ruins the fun of being able to build.

The problem is you want player housing and that isn’t what this is. It’s called guild halls for a reason and while small guilds are very much on Anet’s radar, I very much doubt you will be able to accomplish it as a single person. This isn’t going to cause the expansion to fail since most people won’t read “guild halls” and expect “player housing”

If you want to decorate a house then stand up out of your chair and have fun.

You will be able to build/decorate your guild hall, just talk to the leaders of your guild. In my guild we pretty much all trust each other and we talk outside of the guild so I see no reason why one of us wouldn’t be allowed to decorate our guild hall.

I think you are associating the ability to do something within your guild with the game as a whole. If you are in a guild where the leaders don’t trust you with responsibilities like decorating a shared guild space, you have to talk to them about that.

Aside from that the guild halls aren’t for individual people, the npcs and functions are to help the guild as a whole =)

Lilyandra.1465:

You will be able to build/decorate your guild hall, just talk to the leaders of your guild. In my guild we pretty much all trust each other and we talk outside of the guild so I see no reason why one of us wouldn’t be allowed to decorate our guild hall.

I think you are associating the ability to do something within your guild with the game as a whole. If you are in a guild where the leaders don’t trust you with responsibilities like decorating a shared guild space, you have to talk to them about that.

Aside from that the guild halls aren’t for individual people, the npcs and functions are to help the guild as a whole =)

You are not being realistic. I been in mmos with features like this. Guild leaders dont let everybody use the feature. Thats why games with those features usually have personal versions of it to allow everybody to express their artistic freedoms. What may be art to me may not be to your guild leader and mates… simple as that.

Most guilds will be using restrictions limits and i guarantee that.

That’s the thing. Guilds are basically clubs in game.

If I was a member, just a member, not an officer or anything, of a book club that met in a coffee shop, but I hated the meetings being there, I can’t suddenly say it’s going to be a library because that’s where I want it. I can tell the club leader that I would prefer the quieter library for the book club over the coffee shop.

A guild hall will be a representation of the guild. New members will see that and it will reflect on the guild. If I was a guild leader, I wouldn’t let anyone and everyone have access to the design. I’d leave it to my officers but have a spot on the guild website for member ideas for the guild hall.

Knighthonor.4061:

Lilyandra.1465:

You will be able to build/decorate your guild hall, just talk to the leaders of your guild. In my guild we pretty much all trust each other and we talk outside of the guild so I see no reason why one of us wouldn’t be allowed to decorate our guild hall.

I think you are associating the ability to do something within your guild with the game as a whole. If you are in a guild where the leaders don’t trust you with responsibilities like decorating a shared guild space, you have to talk to them about that.

Aside from that the guild halls aren’t for individual people, the npcs and functions are to help the guild as a whole =)

You are not being realistic. I been in mmos with features like this. Guild leaders dont let everybody use the feature. Thats why games with those features usually have personal versions of it to allow everybody to express their artistic freedoms. What may be art to me may not be to your guild leader and mates… simple as that.

Most guilds will be using restrictions limits and i guarantee that.

Lilyandra’s guild may be a smaller guild where they can and do know and trust everyone to not be immature with the design.

But I’m talking probably under 10-15 members at max. Maybe 25 if they’ve been together for longer than GW2.

But larger guilds, no way. Way too many chances for two players who don’t know each other to have opposing design ideas to butt heads and cause drama. Even if their ideas aren’t immature.

Ranatoa.4869:

Of course it’s hard to say what a “small” guild is

We had that discussion when the guild missions were introduced. And according to devs, “small” guilds were those in the 25-50 range. With anything below being too tiny to notice.

Realistically you can’t let every member of your guild have build permissions in the guild hall it would be chaos.
Can you imagine a 500 man guild doing that? The leaders spend hours decorating the hall in a specific style , then some random member comes along and decides to plonk a maze down in the middle of an ornate garden or something.

What you want is player housing (which I want too) Which will be a separate feature (or expansion of the guild hall feature) at a later time hopefully.

Conski Deshan.2057:

What you want is player housing (which I want too) Which will be a separate feature (or expansion of the guild hall feature) at a later time hopefully.

Unfortunately, it’ll probably arrive toward the end of the games life cycle. Been asking for a greater home instance since shortly after launch. And, I agree with the OP that only a few will have the opportunity to use Guild Hall features. The rest of us just get to experience it as a spectator.

People are putting way to much into this build feature, I’m thinking that this is going to be more crafting than building. I don’t think this is going to be a sandbox type system but pre defined item you can use as decoration that you craft and place in the guild hall. The way it looks now there will be only 2 guild halls to pick from, but these halls look massive more like a guild city so there should be plenty of room for all to decorate in.

Feirlista Xv.1425:

People are putting way to much into this build feature, I’m thinking that this is going to be more crafting than building. I don’t think this is going to be a sandbox type system but pre defined item you can use as decoration that you craft and place in the guild hall. The way it looks now there will be only 2 guild halls to pick from, but these halls look massive more like a guild city so there should be plenty of room for all to decorate in.

Building in GH reminds me a lot of Rift Guild Dimensions. Building there was a fun creative part of the game. Guild Hall Building will be as well. People will be able to make creative structures inside. Sadly, as much room as it may be, most guilds still will NOT let everybody get a chance at building there. In rift they had personal dimensions as well as guild dimensions separate to allow everybody to experience the fun feature.

Well without personal building feature here, most people will miss out on being able to build. Some may be okay with this because they not interested in building anyway, but for the rest of us that like that feature, we screwed unless you a high ranking favorite in your guild, which most people arent….

Feirlista Xv.1425:

People are putting way to much into this build feature, I’m thinking that this is going to be more crafting than building. I don’t think this is going to be a sandbox type system but pre defined item you can use as decoration that you craft and place in the guild hall. The way it looks now there will be only 2 guild halls to pick from, but these halls look massive more like a guild city so there should be plenty of room for all to decorate in.

They did mention that at least the Deluxe guild hall decorations could be placed in random spots. I know they mentioned the possibility of people laying out the vines to make a maze.

And just because they’res a large space to build in, doesn’t mean a large guild would be willing to just let everyone have access to decorating it. Especially if getting decorations costs any of the various guild currencies.

This is a non-issue. Its a guild decision. If you don’t like the guilds decision leave it and find one that has what you want. Its like the whole 100% rep guild situation. Don’t like that policy? Leave the guild. Pretty simple if you ask me.

How is it possible to have open-world guild halls and not run out of them before everyone gets one?

Its not open world guild halls. The location of guild halls is a physical place in the world, but your guild will capture it and access an instanced version of it.

Dinks.2478:

This is a non-issue. Its a guild decision. If you don’t like the guilds decision leave it and find one that has what you want. Its like the whole 100% rep guild situation. Don’t like that policy? Leave the guild. Pretty simple if you ask me.

Well its a feature that most of us wont be able to try. Thats the point. Its a major feature but not being able to use it will be a killing blow. Like a HoT without a slot for Revenant. ..

Well, you can always create a personal guild for yourself, and ask friends/others/mercenaries to help you ‘capture’ one of the two existing guild halls.

I’m sure that’s what many of the smallest guilds will do.

Then, you can decorate it as you see fit. If you think it will take too much time to earn the materials/currencies to create/buy the decorations, well, that’s the trade-off between many pitching in and sharing vs. one with complete control. (I prefer the time-costlier option, myself.) =)

Good luck.

Knighthonor.4061:

Dinks.2478:

This is a non-issue. Its a guild decision. If you don’t like the guilds decision leave it and find one that has what you want. Its like the whole 100% rep guild situation. Don’t like that policy? Leave the guild. Pretty simple if you ask me.

Well its a feature that most of us wont be able to try. Thats the point. Its a major feature but not being able to use it will be a killing blow. Like a HoT without a slot for Revenant. ..

Guildhalls are a major feature, which everyone can use, the decorating ability is a feature designed for the leadership of a guild to use. I think that’s fair.
Besides you don’t design every feature to be used by everyone, you have them aimed towards specific groups within the player-base.

What exactly is your alternative suggestion? since you can’t let everyone just decorate the guildhall and we currently don’t have a player housing?
If you’re in a democratic guild you might get some say in the design, if you’re in an autocratic you won’t.

Like others have said.

“Hiring” or asking people for help in your missions might be the way to go.
That actually sounds fun, since I love using the mercenary title.

Knighthonor.4061:

Dinks.2478:

This is a non-issue. Its a guild decision. If you don’t like the guilds decision leave it and find one that has what you want. Its like the whole 100% rep guild situation. Don’t like that policy? Leave the guild. Pretty simple if you ask me.

Well its a feature that most of us wont be able to try. Thats the point. Its a major feature but not being able to use it will be a killing blow. Like a HoT without a slot for Revenant. ..

Not at all similar. You have to pay an extra $10 for character slot to play Revenant. Guilds are free to make, don’t like the way your guild handles Guild Halls? Make your own and do it how you want. Don’t complain later tho when your hall is a giant mess of random crap everywhere. You’re the one that wanted everybody and their mothers uncles dogs previous owner to be able to decorate.

I hope that works out. Hopefully renting mecenaries wont cost a lot of gold for personal guilds. Because building is a major feature i am looking forward to. Hey i never made it to level 60 in Rift because i was always building my dimensions which i loved.

if WvW dont pull me in, i plan to spend a lot of time building. Hope they add this feature to personal halls at some point. :^)

Dinks.2478:

Knighthonor.4061:

Dinks.2478:

This is a non-issue. Its a guild decision. If you don’t like the guilds decision leave it and find one that has what you want. Its like the whole 100% rep guild situation. Don’t like that policy? Leave the guild. Pretty simple if you ask me.

Well its a feature that most of us wont be able to try. Thats the point. Its a major feature but not being able to use it will be a killing blow. Like a HoT without a slot for Revenant. ..

Not at all similar. You have to pay an extra $10 for character slot to play Revenant. Guilds are free to make, don’t like the way your guild handles Guild Halls? Make your own and do it how you want. Don’t complain later tho when your hall is a giant mess of random crap everywhere. You’re the one that wanted everybody and their mothers uncles dogs previous owner to be able to decorate.

> My Point

> you

my point went over your head pal. This not just about me but others as well. I dont want others in a similar situation to miss out on features like this due to poor game design decision.

Best to learn from other developers experience.

They are guild halls. Of course you would need to be in the right guild or make some sort of organisation towards multiple personal guild halls.
To expect otherwise is foolish. If it’s really a thing that you care about. Then you need to invest in a guild you’re comfortable with. Make friends… socialise.. become that person people like playing with. I don’t think that is too hard

I personally never liked “duster” guilds who just recruit randomly and as much as possible. Their leaders generally just care about their own goals rather than the interests of their individual members. They have very little standards to who joins them imo as long as they are big, they are happy.

FrizzFreston.5290:

They are guild halls. Of course you would need to be in the right guild or make some sort of organisation towards multiple personal guild halls.
To expect otherwise is foolish. If it’s really a thing that you care about. Then you need to invest in a guild you’re comfortable with. Make friends… socialise.. become that person people like playing with. I don’t think that is too hard

I personally never liked “duster” guilds who just recruit randomly and as much as possible. Their leaders generally just care about their own goals rather than the interests of their individual members. They have very little standards to who joins them imo as long as they are big, they are happy.

You are not being realistic,

in most guilds, including the organized guilds, Most players wont be allowed to use this feature… thats poor game design.

Building is a popular PC game feature, and not everybody will be able to do this.

Personal Guilds will need people to help capture, so that may be out the question for a substitute solution for this problem.

the Best Solution is better game design,, as in making this feature avilible for everybody, not just guild member favorites. Good game designers learn from other game designers..

Knighthonor.4061:

Dinks.2478:

Knighthonor.4061:

Dinks.2478:

This is a non-issue. Its a guild decision. If you don’t like the guilds decision leave it and find one that has what you want. Its like the whole 100% rep guild situation. Don’t like that policy? Leave the guild. Pretty simple if you ask me.

Well its a feature that most of us wont be able to try. Thats the point. Its a major feature but not being able to use it will be a killing blow. Like a HoT without a slot for Revenant. ..

Not at all similar. You have to pay an extra $10 for character slot to play Revenant. Guilds are free to make, don’t like the way your guild handles Guild Halls? Make your own and do it how you want. Don’t complain later tho when your hall is a giant mess of random crap everywhere. You’re the one that wanted everybody and their mothers uncles dogs previous owner to be able to decorate.

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> My Point

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> you

my point went over your head pal. This not just about me but others as well. I dont want others in a similar situation to miss out on features like this due to poor game design decision.

Best to learn from other developers experience.

It’s poor design for a screwdriver to not be the optimal tool to hammer nails with.

Your logic has been noted.

Knighthonor.4061:

FrizzFreston.5290:

They are guild halls. Of course you would need to be in the right guild or make some sort of organisation towards multiple personal guild halls.
To expect otherwise is foolish. If it’s really a thing that you care about. Then you need to invest in a guild you’re comfortable with. Make friends… socialise.. become that person people like playing with. I don’t think that is too hard

I personally never liked “duster” guilds who just recruit randomly and as much as possible. Their leaders generally just care about their own goals rather than the interests of their individual members. They have very little standards to who joins them imo as long as they are big, they are happy.

You are not being realistic,

in most guilds, including the organized guilds, Most players wont be allowed to use this feature… thats poor game design.

Building is a popular PC game feature, and not everybody will be able to do this.

Personal Guilds will need people to help capture, so that may be out the question for a substitute solution for this problem.

the Best Solution is better game design,, as in making this feature avilible for everybody, not just guild member favorites. Good game designers learn from other game designers..

The feature is working as it’s intended too. It was not designed to be used by everyone in the guild.
Personal guilds are also not really intended game-play , they’re tolerated but they’re not the intended idea behind guilds so won’t necessarily be supported.

Again features are not designed for everyone in a game they are targeted at specific groups. Obviously a Pvper is not going to be happy with a new PvE dungeon feature but that doesn’t matter because the feature is not for them.

As far as I understand it the Guild Leader will have to be present for any Guild to be able to capture its Hall, since the new Architect permission will be at least initially tied to their ‘top tier’ permission level. I can’t immediately see how else it would work, since someone must by definition have the initial permission to be able to ‘delegate’ it down to other ranks/members.

If a Hall can be captured by ‘ordinary’ Guild Members, each of who automatically unlock the Build permission, then the Leader would need to be able to remove/reassign that permission to be able to maintain any kind of build order/structure – which is likely to cause friction at some level, at least for some Guilds.

Follows that Guilds with ‘absent’ or ‘away’ leaders could be ‘locked out’ until the leader is available for the capture, since no-one else will initially have the right permissions level to be able to unlock the Hall or delegate Build permissions to other members.

The decorations feature is effectively a donation of each members unique decoration unlock to the Guild they are representing at the time – a single use ‘charge’ item that adds x1 of that particular decoration type to that Guilds ‘stock’. Not clear yet exactly how the choice of contributed decoration unlock works – my guess is that it will be the Guild Leader, or whoever initially holds the Architect permission, will be able to choose the specific item from the pool of three that will be initially available (Wyvern/Wall/Copter). If it’s the choice of the individual HoT purchaser, then there may be a lot of ‘unpopular’ choices and an overstock of decorations the guild as a whole may not want/need – for example a whole fleet of copters that would never realistically be used.

Calling it as a safe bet that other ‘non-standard’ and new ‘standard’ decorations will be available later, either as gemstore purchases or through Guild Mission rewards. In effect Transmutation Charges for Guild Halls…and if gemstore bought another income stream for Anet.

Exactly how many Guild Members it will take to clear the Hall maps and capture the Halls will reveal itself once the feature goes live, guess we all have to wait and see.

You could always make a post and see if other people with small guilds want to band together to get there guild halls if they don’t have enough members. Problem solved.

Oh sure, we can just rep our larger guilds to have some guild hall to go to, but what about the smaller ones we are in?

Odds are some of the people in my smaller guild would want to go to the larger guild I am in. Not all of them would be interested though, especially if they have maxed out how many guilds they can be in.

True enough Belial…but take a look at my follow up posting in the HoT section.

Highlights a few possible problems with ‘hiring in’ or recruiting mercenaries to help with a capture – and a few thoughts on where the basic concept of ‘Capture’ over the original GW1 ‘Buy/Lease’ concept could just possibly lead.