Guild Wars 2

all the things in HOT is perfect.

you have created a world with full of secrets, heavy exploration challenging mobs, treasure chest and cool NPC with funny and awesome writing. and i dont want to mention how awesome the exalted carving writing is.

people complaining about masteries need nerf and need more XP is complete wrong, they will get used to it after one month and everything will settle down.

look at this

Anet never stated you have to play like this i know you devs intend players to explore, talk,socialize, create community and defeat awesome bosses.

but these players are spreading rumors saying this is the way Masteries has to be gained. your game has a policy of play how you like.

so please don’t take care of any suggestion given till now about the grind as this the situation and these players are spreading rumors and converting more players and ultimately whole community is burned out so for these players don’t nerf your awesome game.

the Expansion is awesome and perfect doesn’t require any changes.

so Colin i urge you to disregard these post on saying the game is grindy because its the mistake of players choosing it to make it grindy not the fault of devs and you never told we need all masteries on day one.

Colin for god sake dont nerf anything the game is perfect.

pls anet ignore people complaining and internet going crazy, hot getting low scores so it will be the next wildstar where 3 months after release there where like 5 people on every map and people posted pictures of towns with 10 people in it

so pls just ignore all the valid complains and let uns play with 5 players per map in like 1 month kkthxbye

Geez another meta complaint thread.

Im so done with fanboy praise, I certainly enjoy aspects of the expansion but it is SEVERELY flawed. If you’d actually stop and smell the roses, you would notice just why people are complaining. The issue itself doesn’t stem directly from HoT but a series of ANets mishaps that inevitably led to HoT being as it is

the complaints are large in number because the players enjoying it are too busy playing! (except me, I’m at work)

There’s plenty of really good content here, even though there are only four maps. But what you’re missing is that all of the new content caters to the same, comparatively narrow, selection of tastes.

Sure, you can’t have something for every taste, otherwise you’ll just end up with everything being crap. But this goes a bit far in the other direction.

When people complain about grind, they aren’t complaining that they have to actually put some effort in to earn something. What they’re saying is that there is lots of content that they don’t want to do standing in between them and what they do want to do. And that’s pretty unsurprising when the only content available is basically non-instanced casual raiding.

There’s also a certain irony to having to basically raid for the right to do solo instances.

As for the thing about CoF P1, you are reminded of game design 101:

If a player is given the means to comprehensively sabotage their experience of the game in order to ‘win’ more often or more easily, they WILL use them.

TheFibrewire.6845:

the game is perfect.

We are here? Really?

This is the best game of all time as it is perfect? You’re currently sitting at the opposite side of the spectrum to those who think it’s 0/10 and you’re being equally as absurd.

The game isn’t a complete disaster nor is it the crowning achievement of gaming since it’s inception.

do you go to an exam unprepared?
do you revise chapter over and over its not a grind?

you don’t want poison resistance? tribal local assistance? its about mastering the Jungle man.

GW series is not about grind gear, and toppling bosses sorry,then WOW and FFXIV is for you.

GW series has always been story, and the journey its not for players who token grind and just sit

TheFibrewire.6845:

do you go to an exam unprepared?
do you revise chapter over and over its not a grind?

you don’t want poison resistance? tribal local assistance? its about mastering the Jungle man.

GW series is not about grind gear, and toppling bosses sorry,then WOW and FFXIV is for you.

GW series has always been story, and the journey its not for players who token grind and just sit

Did you and I play the same game these past 3 years? Cause i remember leveling one char, using it then (in my frustration with world completions) crafting my alts to max… Was that a journey? Cause it felt like a chore that needed to get done before I really got into the game (a chore isnt necessarily a bad thing, I chose it cause thats how I wanted to play, not how ANet told me to play)

Could the moderators merge these whiteknight’s topics like they do for real posts ?

Another thread that misses the point by a huuuuge margin.

Dear Colin, ignore the op’s opinion it is only fair as he asks you to ignore everyone else.

FYI TheFibrewire it is not just Colin that makes decisions at Arena Net.

nor you man, and don’t expect any nerfs

if i want to play WoW, i will play WoW. i have no interest in playing GW2 as a buggy version of WoW.

despite grinding being a problem is however not the main problem with HoT, what is the problem is the tons of game breaking bugs, crashes and reset. have you tried testing guild hall with a 100 people? the instance will crash! we did the guild hall mission dozen of times before enough people give up and the instance finally stop crashing! pls focus on fixing game breaker before you mess up more stuff in a buggy game. only then adjust the grinding because it is not healthy.

Kill.3458:

TheFibrewire.6845:

do you go to an exam unprepared?
do you revise chapter over and over its not a grind?

you don’t want poison resistance? tribal local assistance? its about mastering the Jungle man.

GW series is not about grind gear, and toppling bosses sorry,then WOW and FFXIV is for you.

GW series has always been story, and the journey its not for players who token grind and just sit

Did you and I play the same game these past 3 years? Cause i remember leveling one char, using it then (in my frustration with world completions) crafting my alts to max… Was that a journey? Cause it felt like a chore that needed to get done before I really got into the game (a chore isnt necessarily a bad thing, I chose it cause thats how I wanted to play, not how ANet told me to play)

if you if felt its not my problem for me its all about the journey, do you even know what the inscription reads in each temples in Arah ? do you even know where is it even?
you just went to these maps and just grinded ,it not mine or Anets problem, options are there an majority of GW 2 players are also lore and story oriented and clearly you haven’t played GW 1 also.
sorry you do it like a chore, i explore, read stuff and experience the beautiful tyria so sorry to see you missing these.
nobody can spoon feed you

TheFibrewire.6845:

all the things in HOT is perfect.
…

I guess you never heard of something called “being objective”. I can understand you being happy with HOT, but to say everything in HOT is perfect … wow.

Ignorance is bliss.

I’m really enjoying the expansion too, I wouldn’t say it’s “Perfect” but, it’s far from being as bad as all the “Complaint” threads are making it out to be.

symke.3105:

TheFibrewire.6845:

all the things in HOT is perfect.
…

I guess you never heard of something called “being objective”. I can understand you being happy with HOT, but to say everything in HOT is perfect … wow.

its my opinion, you have your owns

Raire.7983:

Ignorance is bliss.

i think you are ignoring half content and sitting and grinding and saying “this Expansion sucks” “GW 2 has no endgame”

TheFibrewire.6845:

Raire.7983:

Ignorance is bliss.

i think you are ignoring half content and sitting and grinding and saying “this Expansion sucks” “GW 2 has no endgame”

I’ve said neither of those things and I’m not grinding. I am sitting, though. Well done, 1/4 of your assumptions were spot on!

Raire.7983:

TheFibrewire.6845:

Raire.7983:

Ignorance is bliss.

i think you are ignoring half content and sitting and grinding and saying “this Expansion sucks” “GW 2 has no endgame”

I’ve said neither of those things and I’m not grinding. I am sitting, though. Well done, 1/4 of your assumptions were spot on!

thanks, i knew it

Yes, ignore the feedback and alienate a sizable chunk of your player base…if anything, probably the more profitable portion too. People that don’t like the grind because they have less time to dedicate to the game and probably have bigger pockets to spend on gems…toss them aside, get some people that like to grind.

That hypothetical aside, not sure what they were thinking and that’s great if you’re a huge fan of it, but you’re going to be in a completely different game by the end of it. The pre-existing players and community will bail and only the try-hards will be attracted by this type of gameplay.

Easy decision for me if there isn’t word of much change coming soon. I paid to play a game, not work to play a game. There is a difference and what I and many others are requesting is FAR from “getting everything handed to us”. Fun vs treadmill.

This video is horrible… this guy takes AGES to fill up the mastery tracks!

TheFibrewire.6845:

symke.3105:

TheFibrewire.6845:

all the things in HOT is perfect.
…

I guess you never heard of something called “being objective”. I can understand you being happy with HOT, but to say everything in HOT is perfect … wow.

its my opinion, you have your owns

GW 2 is advertised as a no quest , no objective game you want to be a scholar of tyrian lore you can, you want to be a healer you can, you want to be a corporate merchant you can. you want to be a person who can be a expert on fighting undead by reading inscription and books you can that also.

its up to you, if your objective is grind mindlessly using 1 then you Can that also.

but if you wanna read ancient runes, learn language, kill hardest bosses, reach 100 % security level, do story instances again and get all achievements , get gold in all adventures you can do that also.

you are the objective not the game.

TheFibrewire.6845:

all the things in HOT is perfect.

Really? Heart of Thorns is perfect? It’s the pinnacle of game development? It cannot possibly be improved upon in any way? One of the following must be true: HoT is flawless in every way or the claim that it’s perfect is absurd.

lagrangewei.8516:

if i want to play WoW, i will play WoW. i have no interest in playing GW2 as a buggy version of WoW.

despite grinding being a problem is however not the main problem with HoT, what is the problem is the tons of game breaking bugs, crashes and reset. have you tried testing guild hall with a 100 people? the instance will crash! we did the guild hall mission dozen of times before enough people give up and the instance finally stop crashing! pls focus on fixing game breaker before you mess up more stuff in a buggy game. only then adjust the grinding because it is not healthy.

name an MMO expansion without buggy launch.

Steelpusher.1684:

the complaints are large in number because the players enjoying it are too busy playing! (except me, I’m at work)

Exactly! This is my first visit to the base forums since release. Been too busy having fun in the new content. Already have my Tempest at 100% complete and almost all HoT masteries at 3rd tier and above. HoT has brought back my love for exploration and challenging solo PvE:-)

Just stating what you like about HoT would have more impact and relevance, at least to me.

Not sure why so many players are unable to do this without also having to attempt invalidation of the concerns of other players at the same time. Whats so hard about simply stating what you like?

fireflyry.7023:

Just stating what you like about HoT would have more impact and relevance, at least to me.

Not sure why so many players are unable to do this without also having to attempt invalidation of the concerns of other players at the same time. Whats so hard about simply stating what you like?

this video is the start and it will spread like cancer and whole players will follow this and finally get burned out.

Anet has done so many interesting things to make game very engaging, but half player base is grinding mindlessly to get Masteries and Elite spec on day one.

and later complain they want more content and GW 2 has no end game.

Valento.9852:

This video is horrible… this guy takes AGES to fill up the mastery tracks!

Are you sure? Because I did it too and completed all Tyria masteries in 6-8 hours of doing this.

TheFibrewire.6845:

all the things in HOT is perfect.

you have created a world with full of secrets, heavy exploration challenging mobs, treasure chest and cool NPC with funny and awesome writing. and i dont want to mention how awesome the exalted carving writing is.

people complaining about masteries need nerf and need more XP is complete wrong, they will get used to it after one month and everything will settle down.

look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01jyqxoU2tw

Anet never stated you have to play like this i know you devs intend players to explore, talk,socialize, create community and defeat awesome bosses.

but these players are spreading rumors saying this is the way Masteries has to be gained. your game has a policy of play how you like.

so please don’t take care of any suggestion given till now about the grind as this the situation and these players are spreading rumors and converting more players and ultimately whole community is burned out so for these players don’t nerf your awesome game.

the Expansion is awesome and perfect doesn’t require any changes.

so Colin i urge you to disregard these post on saying the game is grindy because its the mistake of players choosing it to make it grindy not the fault of devs and you never told we need all masteries on day one.

Colin for god sake dont nerf anything the game is perfect.

You are taking things out of context. We enjoy the world… but we want to explore it at our own pace, on our terms… which is sort of gw2’s call sign “play how you like”. If I don’t want to grind nearly impossible skillpoints for two days to run around as a reaper and see all the stuff HoT has to offer, then I shouldn’t have too… that is the kind of game I signed up for.

Also you look fairly immature blatantly telling a developer to ignore a mass outcry in feedback about the game that is their lively hood. That is akin to telling a boatman not to worry about the crack in the hull, because you think it adds flavor to the room and you enjoy the sound of flowing water. Please understand the situation and think about more than just what you enjoy.

If you want to provide feedback that you didn’t think the grind was that bad. Constructively say so in the post that is marked specifically for that subject.

Charming Rogue.8071:

Valento.9852:

This video is horrible… this guy takes AGES to fill up the mastery tracks!

Are you sure? Because I did it too and completed all Tyria masteries in 6-8 hours of doing this.

Yes but you abused a game mechanic that will be fixed shortly and is widely considered an exploit… so you probably shouldn’t make that sort of comment on a forum post meant for a developer.

I remember when the core game was released, everyone was complaining that the game was easy mode and provided no challenge with nothing to do. Now it’s too hard and grindy. I don’t know if everyone realizes that the grind they are referring to is self imposed. There is no reason outside of personal drive to max out masteries in like 2 days of the game dropping. I will say the story gating was a bit annoying but at the end of the day all I had to do was play the game to train certain masteries and didn’t even take that long.

TheFibrewire.6845:

all the things in HOT is perfect.

Alright, I’ll bite.

I defend Anet quite a bit. Of course, I also criticize them (a lot) too. I haven’t even played HoT significantly yet (been busy with Halloween), but I can already agree with others that HoT is a far cry from perfect.

I don’t think it’s necessarily the end of the world, but it’s definitely not perfect. There are some thins I’m ok with, others I’m not. However, that’s going to vary (sometimes drastically) from person to person.

HoT is far from perfect, don’t be such a sad fanboy, it’s embarrassing. Colin most definitely shouldn’t ignore paying customers, nor will he because he’s not a moron. No one will quit if the grinds are reduced, but people will quit if they’re not.

TheFibrewire.6845:

name an MMO expansion without buggy launch.

I have never seen an MMO expansion that crash an entire server. a bug is different from a system failure.

Wait until he hits Diminishing Returns and only gets 2k Exp per event like me, then we’ll see if he likes his grind.

Steelpusher.1684:

the complaints are large in number because the players enjoying it are too busy playing! (except me, I’m at work)

You wouldn’t be interested in a bridge would you?

Sure plenty of people are playing. That’s how we know we don’t like it. By playing it.

White Knight completely and utterly blocking out any sort of ideals that don’t align with your own?

Even when they acknowledged the problem by removing the poison mastery gate stating the very reason people have stated the OP still makes this post as a shining example to other knights if you just ignore the problems and believe in Anet that everything will be alright.

There is no spine no act of will just a sheepish complacency with that line of thinking

Giving us more healing aligned elites without fixing the fact healing isn’t computed into events or how healing power needs reworked?

Second you feel even the tiniest bit immersed in the story you required to grind for mastery. Early on its grind exalted marking then do the story and directly after it asks you to grind for updraft.

You either need to explore all the maps for HP or basically complete story mode to unlock the potential of your elite spec. Doing so before hand will just make you another person begging for a rezz at the side of the mob ridden roads since content is more difficult and I’ve seen plenty of people parked at the side of the roads hoping for a rezz.

Personally I’m all for the removal of story gating it’s like your reading a book but every time it gets interesting someone yanks the book from your hand. Masteries are a problem because there gating the story and much of the QQ would end if they were separate. Also Healing power needs to be reworked this community gets worse day by day because with harder content those who support end up being more of a burden because there presence does nothing more than scale up the mobs. Does little good to heal when you being there does nothing more than make the mobs hit back harder and take less damage.

Dear Lucas, ignore feed backs on Jar Jar

All things in Phantom Menace were fine.

I would have to agree.

The content in the expansion is a lot more challenging then any of the content I’ve played in the core-game since launch – and this is coming from a casual PvE player. HoTs is supposed to fulfill what many players have wanted for a long time: actual endgame, actual challenging content. I think they’re on a good path.

As far as grind goes, I had hoped progression within the Mastery system would be quicker. Like, as fast as gaining experience while using the 100% XP celebration booster now. I sort of understand the concept of giving players meaningful progression past Level 80, but it feels like after you hit 80 and enter the zone you’re not the Level 80 Hero you think you are, but a baby learning how to walk again.

But with boosters it’s not a terrible experience. Still really like Mastery’s – it gives players something to look forward to after 80. But it needs to progress a little faster for it to be more enjoyable.

Please ignore all the complaints and just wait for Angry Joe and his 3 million subscribers to watch a review of HoT, its disappointing score, barricading GW2 from any and all future players.

Don’t worry, Anet will ignore the user base as it always has.

TheFibrewire.6845:

all the things in HOT is perfect.

you have created a world with full of secrets, heavy exploration challenging mobs, treasure chest and cool NPC with funny and awesome writing. and i dont want to mention how awesome the exalted carving writing is.

people complaining about masteries need nerf and need more XP is complete wrong, they will get used to it after one month and everything will settle down.

look at this

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=01jyqxoU2tw

Anet never stated you have to play like this i know you devs intend players to explore, talk,socialize, create community and defeat awesome bosses.

but these players are spreading rumors saying this is the way Masteries has to be gained. your game has a policy of play how you like.

so please don’t take care of any suggestion given till now about the grind as this the situation and these players are spreading rumors and converting more players and ultimately whole community is burned out so for these players don’t nerf your awesome game.

the Expansion is awesome and perfect doesn’t require any changes.

so Colin i urge you to disregard these post on saying the game is grindy because its the mistake of players choosing it to make it grindy not the fault of devs and you never told we need all masteries on day one.

Colin for god sake dont nerf anything the game is perfect.

Right, because your opinion is the only one that matters.

Encouraging creators to believe that they have achieved perfection and should ignore criticism is a bad idea.

You told Dev to ignore player feedback? Really?

I’m sure Anet got the real numbers. They see empty WvW maps, they see not optimal HoT sales (lots of guildies still haven’t bought HoT). They see people playing to a certain point then stop or play a lot less after they hit a wall.

So feedback or not, they see the numbers. I’m pretty confident changes are coming unless they want to commit career suicide. And one thing I know for sure is they do care about the game and they don’t want to let an expansion kill the game off. Telling devs to ignore player feedback is counter-productive, also pointless because they know the details of statistics.

Those of us that play this game know how it feels ingame, there are certain maps already empty of players due to over-tuning of difficulties and terrible map design that discourage exploration. PvP players are already avoiding Stronghold, WvW players are avoiding the new desert borderland maps. Players are grinding CoF1 repeatedly to get central tyria mastery exp, and I know that’s not how Anet invisioned players would play this game.

There are a lot of good things about this expansion, but things are off, too many things that just kills the fun of the game for too many players in all game modes.

I could do without the enemy being immune to my knockdown and immobilization skills.
Those mushroom buggers are crazy! Knock me down, bounce me around… make me run away…
I’m having fun!
Please forgive all those, “it’s too hard, Mommy” complainers.

this thread is coming out the wrong way and is too selfish of op. if you don’t already know it, the best customers are those who complains. they let the company knows what’s wrong before more existing customers starts disappearing and potential customers staying away. by saying everything is fine, you’re not helping out by providing any negatives for the company to address. nothing in this world is perfect. i have not purchased hot and i appreciate seeing negative along with positive criticisms. so far my view is to avoid purchasing since one of the few accessible areas for me is wvw and it really fails to even match the previous maps in the fun factor.